Are Bosniaks just islamicized Croats?

[Florin2000]

I've run a DNA comparison on K13 eurogenes calculator and Bosniaks surprisingly cluster between north and south Croats. Or, are south Croats just Italicianized Croats??
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Distance to: Bosniak_Bosnia
2.00534861 60.40% Polish + 39.60% Albanian
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Distance to: Croat_West
2.51822167 53.40% Polish + 46.60% Albanian
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Distance to: Croat_South
0.64866846 51.20% Polish + 48.80% Albanian
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Distance to: Croat_North
3.16283109 65.00% Polish + 35.00% Albanian
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Distance to: Croat_East
1.55742573 60.20% Polish + 39.80% Albanian
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Pictures here: 108137 108138

[Vrazijadivizija]

Yes
https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/167876629_374098580345991_6982239879596261655_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=ZzNdJdQrXDcAX-G4g89&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=b2dd55cee8f965625c45a4ef146a794a&oe=60E7B7EC

[Varda]

Yes
https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/167876629_374098580345991_6982239879596261655_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=ZzNdJdQrXDcAX-G4g89&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=b2dd55cee8f965625c45a4ef146a794a&oe=60E7B7EC

Like Alija Izetbegović father of Bosniak nation who originated from old Croatian city Belgrade :rotfl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alija_Izetbegović#Early_life_and_education

[Vrazijadivizija]

Like Alija Izetbegović father of Bosniak nation who originated from old Croatian city Belgrade :rotfl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alija_Izetbegović#Early_life_and_education


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXg9gIQT_l8

Alija balija vas sjeba :D

[Florin2000]

Like Alija Izetbegović father of Bosniak nation who originated from old Croatian city Belgrade :rotfl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alija_Izetbegović#Early_life_and_education

Bosniaks are too far away from Serbs genetically to be considered Islamicized Serbs

[Florin2000]

Bosniaks are too far away from Serbs genetically to be considered Islamicized Serbs

Serbs are genetically closer to us than to Bosniaks if im not mistaken.

[Jana]

No. They are mix in terms of origins but yes a lot share origins with Croats.

Bosniak_Bosnia represents genetic profile of NE Bosnia which has lot of old Slavonian (eastern Croatia) ancestry, they are not average for Bosniak genetics but their most Slavic/northern shifted average.

"Bosniak" represents average better (it's from capital) and there is also Bosniak_Sandzak which is much more southern/Paleo_Balkan genetically.

[Varda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXg9gIQT_l8

Alija balija vas sjeba :D

Further origin of Izetbegovići (Jahići) is from Smederevo, but they lived in Belgrade for centuries.

Ancestors of Atif Dudaković came to Bosnia from Krupanj in western Serbia, and of Naser Orić from Užice also in western Serbia.

Bosniak elite is predominantly of Serbian origin.

Bosniaks live in their 25% of trokutistan. You and Stearsolina are weird with your bosniakophilia, because Bosniaks are mortal enemies of BiH Croatians. Insuperable hate Bosniaks as all Škutors.

[Jana]

Further origin of Izetbegovići (Jahići) is from Smederevo, but they lived in Belgrade for centuries.

Ancestors of Atif Dudaković came to Bosnia from Krupanj in western Serbia, and of Naser Orić from Užice also in western Serbia.

Bosniak elite is predominantly of Serbian origin.

Bosniaks live in their 25% of trokutistan. You and Stearsolina are weird with your bosniakophilia, because Bosniaks are mortal enemies of BiH Croatians. Insuperable hate Bosniaks as all Škutors.

Please spare us your dumb comments. We celebrate monster Ratko Mladić got a nice jailtime card.

[Dušan]

You and Stearsolina are weird with your bosniakophilia, because Bosniaks are mortal enemies of BiH Croatians. Insuperable hate Bosniaks as all Škutors.

Nothing weird in that. Croat rightwing ustaše are islamophilic.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334065-Islam-and-Croats

They hope that Croats and Bosnian Muslims will unite against Bosnian Serbs.

But there is bigger possibility that Croats and Muslims again fight each other. We will grab popcorn and enjoy the view. :popcorn:

[Dušan]

We celebrate monster Ratko Maldić got a nice jailtime card.

We celebrate our general that he achieve his life goal and create freedom for Serbs in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and create Republika Srpska without Muslims and Croats. :thumb001:

[Jana]

We celebrate our general that he achieve his life goal and create freedom for Serbs in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and create Republika Srpska without Muslims and Croats. :thumb001:

Seems he does not, as he cried after he realized he'll spend rest of his time in jail.

[Jana]

Nothing weird in that. Croat rightwing ustaše are islamophilic.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334065-Islam-and-Croats

They hope that Croats and Bosnian Muslims will unite against Bosnian Serbs.

But there is bigger possibility that Croats and Muslims again fight each other. We will grab popcorn and enjoy the view. :popcorn:

Ok boomer

[Dušan]

Seems he does not, as he cried after he realized he'll spend rest of his time in jail.

He is an old man that achieve his life goal.
His sacriface will be forever remembered in our people.

https://www.bl-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/ratko-mladic.jpg

[Varda]

Please spare us your dumb comments. We celebrate monster Ratko Maldić got a nice jailtime card.

Your bosniakophilia came from your paternal origin. Everyone know your grandedo was mujo.


Only for Dražen Erdemović exist material evidences that his he was killing Muslims in Srebrenica, he even admitted it.
Dražen Erdemović is full ethnic Croatian (Wiki is wrong) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dražen_Erdemović

More about Croatian-Bosniak "love" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmići_massacre

[Jana]

Regarding Mladić, he was only trialed for Srebrenica, not for his "actions" in Croatia, Posavina or Prijedor. So, justice wasn't entirerly served. Thus I'd agree Haague court is a joke.

[Florin2000]

No. They are mix in terms of origins but yes a lot share origins with Croats.

Bosniak_Bosnia represents genetic profile of NE Bosnia which has lot of old Slavonian (eastern Croatia) ancestry, they are not average for Bosniak genetics but their most Slavic/northern shifted average.

"Bosniak" represents average better (it's from capital) and there is also Bosniak_Sandzak which is much more southern/Paleo_Balkan genetically.

I thought bosniak is combined of bosniak_bosnia and bosniak sandzak. aren't sandzak bosniak just slavic albanians?

[Jana]

Your bosniakophilia came from your paternal origin. Everyone know your grandedo was mujo.


Only for Dražen Erdemović exist material evidences that his he was killing Muslims in Srebrenica, he even admitted it.
Dražen Erdemović is full ethnic Croatian (Wiki is wrong) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dražen_Erdemović

More about Croatian-Bosniak "love" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmići_massacre

His surname doesn't sound very Croatian, more like a mixed Cro-Bos guy. I'm not pro-Bosniak, I consider them sneaky and culturally foreign although they can be warm and friendly people with lot of talents.

My grand-grandpa was very bigoted (meaning highly intolerant towards Christians) so I can't say I like Bosniaks. But again, good and bad people exist in every ethnicity, ofcourse.

[Varda]

We celebrate our general that he achieve his life goal and create freedom for Serbs in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and create Republika Srpska without Muslims and Croats. :thumb001:

Ratko Mladić is Serbian hero and always will be!


https://youtu.be/SbhPL2NgaE0

[Ion Basescul]

Bosniaks are too far away from Serbs genetically to be considered Islamicized Serbs

They sit on a gradient. Some from Sandzak are even more Southern than the average Serb.

[Jana]

He is an old man that achieve his life goal.
His sacriface will be forever remembered in our people.

https://www.bl-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/ratko-mladic.jpg

Ask yourself why did his daughter killed herself from his trophy pistol if he is such a hero...

[Varda]

They sit on a gradient. Some from Sandzak are even more Southern than the average Serb.

Sandžakian Bosniaks are mix of Montenegrins and Gheg Albanians. On average they are closer to Bulgarians and Romanians than ti Serbs.

[Ayetooey]

They sit on a gradient. Some from Sandzak are even more Southern than the average Serb.

The Sandzak average is way more southern than the average Serb, 24 NA and 24 Baltic thats Romanian/Montenegrin like. Even southern Serbs are noticeably more northern.

[Jana]

The Sandzak average is way more southern than the average Serb, 24 NA and 24 Baltic thats Romanian/Montenegrin like. Even southern Serbs are noticeably more northern.

Serbs from Montenegro like Brda clans are not, they are near identical with them.

[Ayetooey]

Serbs from Montenegro like Brda clans are not, they are near identical with them.

I said Montenegrin like.

[Jana]

I said Montenegrin like.

And half of Montenegrins identify as Serbs, in Brda especially.

[Ayetooey]

And half of Montenegrins identify as Serbs, in Brda especially.

OK but Montenegrins are genetically closer to each other regardless of their political identity and identities switch every census. This is super irrelevant and just semantics, just pointing out Sandzakians are to the south of the Serb average not to debate Montenegrin identity which I don’t care for.

[Ayetooey]

To the OP I see them more as islamised Croats with some Serb admixture than vice versa. Pre Ottoman dialects of Bosnia overlap more with Croats and genetically they’re closer to Southern Croats. Don’t really understand why everyone wants to claim Bosniaks though, they have their own culture now.

[Varda]

To the OP I see them more as islamised Croats with some Serb admixture than vice versa. Pre Ottoman dialects of Bosnia overlap more with Southern Croats and genetically they’re closer to Southern Croats.

Southern Croatians are Catholic Serbs in denial.

[Varda]

I said Montenegrin like.

Eastern Sandžakians have 50-80% Shiptar paternal lines (it's different by municipalities).

[Ion Basescul]

The Sandzak average is way more southern than the average Serb, 24 NA and 24 Baltic thats Romanian/Montenegrin like. Even southern Serbs are noticeably more northern.

Dunno, I saw what appeared as Southern Serbs in that range too. Vbn has them.

[duty]

Funfact: Bosniaks were claimed as master and superior race by Adolf Hitler even if they´re Muslim. Because they´re white and tall. Serbs on the other hand were claimed as subhuman even if they´re christian. Probably because they all look like gypsys (Draza Mihajlovic for example).

And seriously question: If Ratko Mladic is a hero, why he attacked just unarmed women and children, and during the Oluja and Sana he just hide himself like a coward? Same goes for Arkan, Seselj and the other Serbian "heroes" who suddenly dissappeared. Maybe because the opponents werent children and women anymore?

[duty]

same post

[Jana]

Funfact: Bosniaks were claimed as master and superior race by Adolf Hitler even if they´re Muslim. Because they´re white and tall. Serbs on the other hand were claimed as subhuman even if they´re christian.

Nobody cares what Hitler tought of someone, especially not about Slavs. They looked down on all Slavs including their Slavic and other eastern European allies.
Fuck nazis and Slavs or eastern European who lick ass of Germanics.

[duty]

Nobody cares what Hitler tought of someone, especially not about Slavs. They looked down on all Slavs including their Slavic and other eastern European allies.
Fuck nazis and Slavs or eastern European who lick ass of Germanics.

I dont care about Hitler tho, but thats just what he really said to Bosniaks and to Serbs. Even he knew that they´re both slavs.

[vbnetkhio]

Dunno, I saw what appeared as Southern Serbs in that range too. Vbn has them.

Individual Serbs from pretty much all regions can be close to the Sandzak average:


Distance to: Bosniak_Sandzak
1.94874318 Montenegro_South_3
2.27173942 Serbia_Belgrade_23
2.43030862 Montenegro_Podgorica_7
2.55380109 Serbia_Belgrade_32
2.69755445 Montenegro_Brda
2.84411673 Serbia_Raska
3.00039997 Montenegro_Danilovgrad
3.18793036 Croatia_Lika_Zaluznica_6
3.23247583 Herzegovina_2
3.26231513 Montenegro_Danilovgrad_1
3.28009146 Montenegro_Podgorica_14
3.33766385 Montenegro_Podgorica_8
3.35991071 Montenegro_Podgorica_12
3.40313091 Serbia_Vlach_2
3.58694856 Montenegro_North
3.66053275 Serbia_Vlach
3.69315583 Serbia_Belgrade_26
3.85539881 Serbia_Toplica
3.87247983 Serbia_Belgrade_7
3.92816751 Montenegro_Podgorica_11
3.93270899 Montenegro_Podgorica_15
4.08724846 Serbia_Kosovo_South
4.11239590 Serbia_Banat_8
4.26146688 Croatia_Dalmatia_3
4.30459057 Montenegro_Podgorica_13

but these are just individuals,it's not the average result in those regions, except in Southern Montenegro.

[Varda]

Funfact: Bosniaks were claimed as master and superior race by Adolf Hitler even if they´re Muslim. Because they´re white and tall. Serbs on the other hand were claimed as subhuman even if they´re christian. Probably because they all look like gypsys (Draza Mihajlovic for example).

And seriously question: If Ratko Mladic is a hero, why he attacked just unarmed women and children, and during the Oluja and Sana he just hide himself like a coward? Same goes for Arkan, Seselj and the other Serbian "heroes" who suddenly dissappeared. Maybe because the opponents werent children and women anymore?

Draža Mihailović doesn't look Gypsy, but normal for Balkanite (Med + CM)

https://i2.wp.com/media.bskm.rs/2015/06/Dragoljub-Dra%C5%BEa-Mihailovi%C4%87-%C4%8Ci%C4%8Da.jpg


Vojislav Šešelj is light haired (when he was younger his skin was pale, now is reddish), and Ratko Mladić blue eyed with reddish skin.


Vojislav Šešelj
https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/ZiKk9kqTURBXy9mMmYzMzYzYjQyMmZhOTc2ZmNkZWVhZDg3YWM wOWI4Zi5qcGVnkZMCzQLkAIGhMAU


Ratko Mladić
https://www.nedeljnik.rs/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mladic-profimedia-0017592542.jpg


Bosniaks are the shortest people in BiH. Both Bosnian and Herzegovinian Serbs and Crostians are taller than Bosniaks.

Trebinje (184.7 cm), Nevesinje (184.5 cm) in eastern Herzegovina and Pale (184 cm) in eastern Bosnia are Serbian places located in Republika Srpska.
https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Herzegovinians.jpg

[Vrazijadivizija]

Draža Mihailović doesn't look Gypsy, but for normal for Balkanite (Med + CM)

https://i2.wp.com/media.bskm.rs/2015/06/Dragoljub-Dra%C5%BEa-Mihailovi%C4%87-%C4%8Ci%C4%8Da.jpg


Vojislav Šešelj is light haired (when he was younger his skin was pale, now is reddish), and Ratko Mladić blue eyed with reddish skin.


Vojislav Šešelj
https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/ZiKk9kqTURBXy9mMmYzMzYzYjQyMmZhOTc2ZmNkZWVhZDg3YWM wOWI4Zi5qcGVnkZMCzQLkAIGhMAU


Ratko Mladić
https://www.nedeljnik.rs/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mladic-profimedia-0017592542.jpg


Bosniaks are the shortest people in BiH. Both Bosnian and Herzegovinian Serbs and Crostians are taller than Bosniaks.

Trebinje (184.7 cm), Nevesinje (184.5 cm) in eastern Herzegovina and Pale (184 cm) in eastern Bosnia are Serbian places located in Republika Srpska.
https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Herzegovinians.jpg

:rotfl2 I knew his comment would shake you..its okay Varda,whole world knows how the Serbs actually look like and not the cherry picking that u do. Draža bigger cigan than Bosniak Cigans.

[Varda]

:rotfl2 I knew his comment would shake you..its okay Varda,whole world knows how the Serbs actually look like and not the cherry picking that u do. Draža bigger cigan than Bosniak Cigans.

Shiptar troll duty mentioned Draža, Šešelj and Mladić in his post. Draža look like regular Balkanite. Šešelj and Mladić look more northern than average Balkanites.

[renaissance12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXg9gIQT_l8

Alija balija vas sjeba :D

It sounds really arabic to me...

[Vrazijadivizija]

It sounds really arabic to me...

I dont think it sounds similiar to Arabic at all but thiis is how Bosniak music sounds..its their style.

[Ion Basescul]

Individual Serbs from pretty much all regions can be close to the Sandzak average:


Distance to: Bosniak_Sandzak
1.94874318 Montenegro_South_3
2.27173942 Serbia_Belgrade_23
2.43030862 Montenegro_Podgorica_7
2.55380109 Serbia_Belgrade_32
2.69755445 Montenegro_Brda
2.84411673 Serbia_Raska
3.00039997 Montenegro_Danilovgrad
3.18793036 Croatia_Lika_Zaluznica_6
3.23247583 Herzegovina_2
3.26231513 Montenegro_Danilovgrad_1
3.28009146 Montenegro_Podgorica_14
3.33766385 Montenegro_Podgorica_8
3.35991071 Montenegro_Podgorica_12
3.40313091 Serbia_Vlach_2
3.58694856 Montenegro_North
3.66053275 Serbia_Vlach
3.69315583 Serbia_Belgrade_26
3.85539881 Serbia_Toplica
3.87247983 Serbia_Belgrade_7
3.92816751 Montenegro_Podgorica_11
3.93270899 Montenegro_Podgorica_15
4.08724846 Serbia_Kosovo_South
4.11239590 Serbia_Banat_8
4.26146688 Croatia_Dalmatia_3
4.30459057 Montenegro_Podgorica_13

but these are just individuals,it's not the average result in those regions, except in Southern Montenegro.

And what about those that I sent you? Are they Serbs?

[Dušan]

Funfact: Bosniaks were claimed as master and superior race by Adolf Hitler even if they´re Muslim. Because they´re white and tall. Serbs on the other hand were claimed as subhuman even if they´re christian. Probably because they all look like gypsys (Draza Mihajlovic for example).

And seriously question: If Ratko Mladic is a hero, why he attacked just unarmed women and children, and during the Oluja and Sana he just hide himself like a coward? Same goes for Arkan, Seselj and the other Serbian "heroes" who suddenly dissappeared. Maybe because the opponents werent children and women anymore?

We all know very well that Bosniaks and Croats were faithful Hitler's puppets. It is well known fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_ (1st_Croatian)


General Mladić managed to defend Serbian people in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
Thankfully to him now Serbs live in freedom in their own Republika Srpska.

Look at beautiful scenes from Banja Luka and cry, Albanian troll. :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1svq8WwxKe4

[Varda]

Eastern Sandžakians have 50-80% Shiptar paternal lines (it's different by municipalities).

From Bosniak dna project.

Y dna of Bosniaks from Serbian part of Sandžak
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/197527585_4074270879361040_4002358936981179959_n-jpg.943840/


Y dna of Bosniaks from Montenegrin part of Sandžak
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/198059373_4074271022694359_7533496421963713575_n-jpg.943841/

[vbnetkhio]

And what about those that I sent you? Are they Serbs?

lol, I was convinced Peterski sent those to me! He sent me some South Serbs at exactly the same time as you, and I didn't even check the sender.
Yes, Tasić is a South Serb, she was posted already. She's Serbia_Kosovo_south on that list. Iso Porovic is definitely Sandzak Bosniak.
Sinadin and Natasha could also be Macedonians because Tasić is from villages on the border with Macedonia, and "Sinadinovski" exists in Macedonia.

[Varda]

We all know very well that Bosniaks and Croats were faithful Hitler's puppets. It is well known fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_ (1st_Croatian)


General Mladić managed to defend Serbian people in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
Thankfully to him now Serbs live in freedom in their own Republika Srpska.

Look at beautiful scenes from Banja Luka and cry, Albanian troll. :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1svq8WwxKe4

Yea, he is Shiptar troll. I know their style.

Hitler who was black haired dwarf and partly Jewish promoted Aryan Nordic tall, blonde and blue eyed super people, it's one of the biggest jokes in history.
Unfortunately, due to Hitler died tens of millions Europeans including millions of Germans. Hitler was one of the biggest evils in history of Europe.

[Dušan]

Jerusalem mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, alongside SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen SS Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig, reviewing Bosniak SS volunteers during their training in November 1943

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-036-05%2C_Amin_al_Husseini_bei_bosnischen_SS-Freiwilligen.jpg


Bosniak ustaša nazis

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/e8/8f/69/e88f69e861ee998469b8596d3845f577.jpg

[Vrazijadivizija]

Jerusalem mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, alongside SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen SS Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig, reviewing Bosniak SS volunteers during their training in November 1943

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-036-05%2C_Amin_al_Husseini_bei_bosnischen_SS-Freiwilligen.jpg


Bosniak ustaša nazis

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/e8/8f/69/e88f69e861ee998469b8596d3845f577.jpg

Heroes who defended their people <3 Glory to Handžar and its heroic deeds!

[Varda]

Yea, he is Shiptar troll. I know their style.

Hitler who was black haired dwarf and partly Jewish, and promoted Aryan Nordic tall, blonde and blue eyed super people is one of the biggest jokes in history.
Unfortunately, due to Hitler died tens of millions Europeans including millions of Germans. Hitler was one of the biggest evils in history of Europe.

Hitler was bigger evil for Germans than for some Europeans occupied by nazi Germany.

A lot of Germans died in WW2. Germany must receive millions of Afro-Asian Muslims to show own democracy and that they not nazis. To the end of world and time Germans will carry the burden of nazism and Holocaust which they committed in WW2 due to Hitler's totalitarian regime and ideology.

[Jana]

Heroes who defended their people <3 Glory to Handžar and its heroic deeds!

Bosniaks joined Black Legion mostly as response on genocide commited by Chetniks in Podrinje.
Idk for Handžar, but most members of Black Legion were muslims from Podrinje whose families were killed by Četnici.

[Jana]

Yea, he is Shiptar troll. I know their style.

Hitler who was black haired dwarf and partly Jewish, and promoted Aryan Nordic tall, blonde and blue eyed super people is one of the biggest jokes in history.
Unfortunately, due to Hitler died tens of millions Europeans including millions of Germans. Hitler was one of the biggest evils in history of Europe.

Hitler was brown haired, blue eyed and typical for his native region. Not to mention he was tall for European man at that age (175 cm) and that he had no Jewish ancestry whatsoever.

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[Vrazijadivizija]

Bosniaks joined Black Legion mostly as response on genocide commited by Chetniks in Podrinje.
Idk for Handžar, but most members of Black Legion were muslims from Podrinje whose families were killed by Četnici.

Its obvius they re gonna join and take vengance..Serbs massacare countless of locals and dont expect the vengance lol..They started the bloodshed overall..killing and thinking nobody will do something about it..And Dušan saying how Generals defended the Serbs during 90s :D against who? Muslim Women and Children? Subbies never learn.

[Varda]

Hitler was brown haired, blue eyed and typical for his native region. Not to mention he was tall for European man at that age (175 cm) and that he had no Jewish ancestry whatsoever.

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/a50c4a16-86d7-4305-b9f7-6ac1a7ced13c/dc1ue3i-35ddd4f4-8430-4ae1-adaa-9ef3a8400d23.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJ IUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQz NzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZT BkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6 W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2E1MGM0YTE2LTg2ZDctNDMwNS1iOW Y3LTZhYzFhN2NlZDEzY1wvZGMxdWUzaS0zNWRkZDRmNC04NDMw LTRhZTEtYWRhYS05ZWYzYTg0MDBkMjMuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIj pbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.LV0c7a1Q KPKBHPwnF_Z3TlsLQ7h02koqpvrJ57IrXXI

It's photoshop.
He had dark hair even as baby, and visible Asiatic influence in the eyes https://www.dw.com/en/who-was-hitler-new-documentary-lets-people-who-knew-him-speak/a-39419711

Even if he was 100% Nordic he was psychopath.

[duty]

[QUOTE=Dušan;7218779]We all know very well that Bosniaks and Croats were faithful Hitler's puppets. It is well known fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_ (1st_Croatian)

We all know that Serbs were also faithul Hitler puppets and they stil get killed :rotfl2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks#/media/File:Chetniks_pose_with_German_soldiers.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks#/media/File:%C4%8Cetnici_i_Nemci_u_okupiranoj_Jugoslaviji .jpg


General Mladić managed to defend Serbian people in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
Mladic did nothing except killing, raping and torturing houndred-thousands of old men, women and children. But against armed soliders he always run away.



Thankfully to him now Serbs live in freedom in their own Republika Srpska.

*Thankfully to Americans, because they saved your ass when they stoped Croats and Bosniaks 4 km before Banja Luka


Look at beautiful scenes from Banja Luka and cry, Albanian troll. :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1svq8WwxKe4

These are way more beautiful :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkWOCmTnYSk

Or Prishtina the capital city of Republic of Kosovo who dont belong to Serbia and never will again even in a trillion years, bitch :cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbOuaT4BplY

[Arūnas]

yet another Balkan saga !!! :whoo:

[Dušan]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61zpUKvo9XL.jpg

[Jana]

It's photoshop.
He had dark hair even as baby, and visible Asiatic influence in the eyes https://www.dw.com/en/who-was-hitler-new-documentary-lets-people-who-knew-him-speak/a-39419711

Even if he was 100% Nordic he was psychopath.

No, it is not, that's how he looked like. And dark hair =/= black hair.
He was psycho like your general Mladić, yep.

[Dušan]

We all know that Serbs were also faithul Hitler puppets and they stil get killed :rotfl2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks#/media/File:Chetniks_pose_with_German_soldiers.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks#/media/File:%C4%8Cetnici_i_Nemci_u_okupiranoj_Jugoslaviji .jpg


Not at all.

He offered us to join Axis, but we refused. Thus he bombed Belgrade and occupied Yugoslavia.
Then he gave powers to Croat, Bosniak and Albanian hyennas, even he despised them, but Serbs refused him.




Mladic did nothing except killing, raping and torturing houndred-thousands of old men, women and children. But against armed soliders he always run away.


Kme kme.
He managed to defend Serb in Bosnia, who now live in freedom.

70% of Bosnia -Herzegovina was under Serb control during all the war, stupid Albanian troll.





*Thankfully to Americans, because they saved your ass when they stoped Croats and Bosniaks 4 km before Banja Luka


LOL

Thankfully to Americans, Republika Srpska is not on 70%, but on only 49% territory of Bosnia-Herzegovina.
They saved Bosniaks asses, as same as Šiptars asses from kosovo.



These are way more beautiful :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkWOCmTnYSk

Or Prishtina the capital city of Republic of Kosovo who dont belong to Serbia and never will again even in a trillion years, bitch :cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbOuaT4BplY


Most beautiful is Republika Srpska with +90% ethnic Serbs :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpoPQfTE4cs

Let you all cry, idiotes.

[Hektor12]

He had dark hair even as baby, and visible Asiatic influence in the eyes https://www.dw.com/en/who-was-hitler-new-documentary-lets-people-who-knew-him-speak/a-39419711
Is this the reason why do you hate him so much?

https://uhudla.at/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/serbien.jpg

[duty]

Draža Mihailović doesn't look Gypsy, but for normal for Balkanite (Med + CM)

https://i2.wp.com/media.bskm.rs/2015/06/Dragoljub-Dra%C5%BEa-Mihailovi%C4%87-%C4%8Ci%C4%8Da.jpg


Vojislav Šešelj is light haired (when he was younger his skin was pale, now is reddish), and Ratko Mladić blue eyed with reddish skin.


Vojislav Šešelj
https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/ZiKk9kqTURBXy9mMmYzMzYzYjQyMmZhOTc2ZmNkZWVhZDg3YWM wOWI4Zi5qcGVnkZMCzQLkAIGhMAU


Ratko Mladić
https://www.nedeljnik.rs/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mladic-profimedia-0017592542.jpg


Bosniaks are the shortest people in BiH. Both Bosnian and Herzegovinian Serbs and Crostians are taller than Bosniaks.

Trebinje (184.7 cm), Nevesinje (184.5 cm) in eastern Herzegovina and Pale (184 cm) in eastern Bosnia are Serbian places located in Republika Srpska.
https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Herzegovinians.jpg

Draza looks short and hairy. Very Arab to me.
And Seselj has some Croatian roots, because Seselj is a Croatian surname.

[Arūnas]

....

[Varda]

Draza looks short and hairy. Very Arab to me.
And Seselj has some Croatian roots, because Seselj is a Croatian surname.

That is a claim of some Croatian tabloids. It's debunked by genetics. Sešelj originated from Serbian tribe Rovčani by paternal line. His ancestors moved from Rovčani to Herzegovina 400 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovčani#Notable_people

[duty]

Not at all.

He offered us to join Axis, but we refused. Thus he bombed Belgrade and occupied Yugoslavia.
Then he gave powers to Croat, Bosniak and Albanian hyennas, even he despised them, but Serbs refused him.

Serbia joined the Axis, and Serbs licked Hitlers and Mussolinis ass all the time:

https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/microsoft%20word%20-%20160.pdf

Mihajlovic's men in Serbia took part in the uprising against the Germans in July and August of 1941, and even cooperated with the partisans under Tito. The uprising was suppressed by the Germans with unspeakable cruelty, causing many deaths and widespread destruction. This brought the Chetniks to three conclusions: (1) there was no point in waging a hopeless armed struggle against the Germans, a struggle that would threaten the very existence of the Serbian people; (2) the proper course was to organize and gain strength, so as to be ready for an Allied invasion of the Balkans; (3) the pro-Communist partisans were the most dangerous enemy of all, and it was the struggle with them that would decide Yugoslavia's fate after Germany was defeated. These conclusions exacerbated the differences between the partisans and the Chetniks, which before long turned into a civil war. The Chetniks' struggle with the invaders came to a complete stop at the end of 1941, and gradually evolved into cooperation with the Italians and the Germans against Tito



Kme kme.
He managed to defend Serb in Bosnia, who now live in freedom.

70% of Bosnia -Herzegovina was under Serb control during all the war, stupid Albanian troll.

He did the same in Bosnia to Croats and Muslims, what Hitler did to the Jews: He killed, tortured, raped them. And put them into concentration camps.
Also Hitler conquered there neighbour countries - Serbs conquered there neighbour countries
Nazis wanted the whole world into "Great German Reich" - Serbs wanted the whole Balkans into a "Great Serbian Empire"
Hitler wanted to exterminate all Jews, Slavs etc. - Serbs wanted to exterminate all Croats, Muslims and Albanians.

Bosnia 1991:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnier#/media/Datei:DemoBIH1991.png

Bosnia today:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:BiH_Popis_2013_svi.svg

Conclusion: Nazis and Serbs = Same bullshit just a different name.




LOL

Thankfully to Americans, Republika Srpska is not on 70%, but on only 49% territory of Bosnia-Herzegovina.
They saved Bosniaks asses, as same as Šiptars asses from kosovo.


Croats wiped out whole Serbian army from Croatia in 3 days and 50% of Bosnia. They stand shortly before Banja Luka. Then the Americans said "STOP".




Most beautiful is Republika Srpska with +90% ethnic Serbs :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpoPQfTE4cs

Let you all cry, idiotes.

Most beautiful is Croatia and Kosovo what Serbs tried to conquer and exterminate. At the end they failed, and there are none Serbs there anymore ;)

[Dušan]

Serbia was occupied by nazis, because we refused to join axis.

Keep larping, Šiptar troll. Nobody cares.
Republika Srpska is alive and well, and beautful with no Croats and Muslims. :)

And yes, better think about this miserables and help them to move to Germany. :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3CTKKKkQ4

[duty]

That is a claim of some Croatian tabloids. It's debunked by genetics. Sešelj originated from Serbian tribe Rovčani by paternal line. His ancestors moved from Rovčani to Herzegovina 400 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovčani#Notable_people

References:
Vojislav Šešelj - "Ja sam Srbin iz Crne Gore, poreklom iz Rovaca!" [/ Bio] (in Serbian). Retrieved 4 October 2014.

Ok if hes say so it must be right definitely :rotfl:

[Varda]

Serbia was occupied by nazis, because we refused to join axis.

Keep larping, Šiptar troll. Nobody cares.
Republika Srpska is alive and well, and beautful with no Croats and Muslims. :)

And yes, better think about this miserables and help them to move to Germany. :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3CTKKKkQ4

Demolition of Tripartite Pact between Yugoslavia and nazi Germany on 27.03.1941 organized British MI6.

[duty]

Serbia was occupied by nazis, because we refused to join axis.

Keep larping, Šiptar troll. Nobody cares.
Republika Srpska is alive and well, and beautful with no Croats and Muslims. :)

And yes, better think about this miserables and help them to move to Germany. :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3CTKKKkQ4

Yugoslavia was occupied and Serbs where allies of the axis that are the facts :D

Republika Srpska is part of Bosnia, while Croatia and Kosovo are independent and not part of "Greater Serbia".

About Serbia and moving, By your own media Kosovo and Albania is for Serbs, what for the others is Germany:
https://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:537223-Srpkinje-prodaju-telo-na-Kosovu-za-20-dolara

PS: Im not even Albanian, dont know what you guys makes you think that? :D

[Jana]

That is a claim of some Croatian tabloids. It's debunked by genetics. Sešelj originated from Serbian tribe Rovčani by paternal line. His ancestors moved from Rovčani to Herzegovina 400 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovčani#Notable_people

Šešelj is indeed mostly Croatian surname. Even though all Šešelji probably don't have same origins.

[Varda]

Šešelj is indeed mostly Croatian surname. Even though all Šešelji probably don't have same origins.

Surnames Šešelj, Pecelj, Kešelj, Gundelj etc. exist among both Serbs and Croatians from Dinaric region.

Gundelj is for example more common among Serbs https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Gundelj

Surname Antelj exist among Serbs (from Herzegovina), not among Croatians.
https://html.scribdassets.com/10wqmpw0e81qg8hp/images/207-bb91301896.png

[Dušan]

Yugoslavia was occupied and Serbs where allies of the axis that are the facts :D

Republika Srpska is part of Bosnia, while Croatia and Kosovo are independent and not part of "Greater Serbia".

About Serbia and moving, By your own media Kosovo and Albania is for Serbs, what for the others is Germany:
https://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:537223-Srpkinje-prodaju-telo-na-Kosovu-za-20-dolara

PS: Im not even Albanian, dont know what you guys makes you think that? :D

Wrong, along with Greece, the only Axis occupied in southeast Europe.

https://edsitement.neh.gov/sites/default/files/resource/ww2%20interactive%20europe.png

All others were puppets, especialy Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians. Although Hitler despised all of you, he tolerated you, beacuse him needed your support, since Serbs refused to join.

Republika Srpska is more Serbia than Serbia itself. I have never seen so many Serbian flags as there, in every corner. So pleasant and nice athmosphere, and great people are Serbs from Srpska.

Yes, you are Albo, or Bosnian Muslim.

[Leto]

Republika Srpska is more Serbia than Serbia itself. I have never seen so many Serbian flags as there, in every corner. So pleasant and nice athmosphere, and great people are Serbs from Srpska.

Is Serbia actually more liberal socially and less religious than RS?

[Dušan]

Is Serbia actually more liberal socially and less religious than RS?


Belgrade and Novi Sad are more liberal, but rest of Serbia maybe a only a bit more or in same level.
Serbs in Republika Srpska have war trauma, it is understandable they are more nationalistic than Serbs from Serbia.

New Orthodox churches in Republika Srpska are magnificient with high bell tower so it can dominate over the mosques.

http://www.eparhijazt.com/UcitaneSlike//nemanja/derventa_1241_x_810_.jpg

https://poslovnenovine.ba/pono/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Hram-Hrista-Spasitelja-Banja-Luka.jpg

https://www.eparhijazt.com/UcitaneSlike//nemanja/doboj_saborni_1468_x_962_.jpg

[Varda]

Is Serbia actually more liberal socially and less religious than RS?

It could be said.

Serbs from BiH and Montenegro are more traditional and religious on average than Serbs from Serbia.

Grigorije Durić when he was a bishop of Zahumlje and Herzegovina said that in Trebinje where is Slava of city (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava) is present 25 000 people, and Trebinje municipality have 31K https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigorije_Durić
And for Slava of Belgrade he said it's present several thousands (population of Belgrade is 1 200 000).

[Hektor12]

New Orthodox churches in Republika Srpska are magnificient with high bell tower so it can dominate over the mosques.

http://www.eparhijazt.com/UcitaneSlike//nemanja/derventa_1241_x_810_.jpg Mosque-style church OMEGALUL.
I would never-ever expect to see such thing in my life :D :D :D They basically built a church with a minaret but with a bell instead.

[vbnetkhio]

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Distance to: Bosniak_Bosnia
2.00534861 60.40% Polish + 39.60% Albanian
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Distance to: Croat_West
2.51822167 53.40% Polish + 46.60% Albanian
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Distance to: Croat_South
0.64866846 51.20% Polish + 48.80% Albanian
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Distance to: Croat_North
3.16283109 65.00% Polish + 35.00% Albanian
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Distance to: Croat_East
1.55742573 60.20% Polish + 39.80% Albanian
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Pictures here: 108137 108138

These models aren't the best, since early Slavs were like Ukrainians, not Poles, and pre-Slavic weren't exactly like Albanians, especially in northern Croatia.

you can try this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342186-Serbian-autosomal-DNA-2&p=7182464&viewfull=1#post7182464

btw, "Bosniak_Bosnia" includes only those from this region: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_(region), minus the Cazin region which is autosomally different.

here are the averages for 2 regions I didn't include in "Bosniak_Bosnia", sadly only 3-4 samples each:


Bosniak_Herzegovina,24.94,29.13,16.36,9.11,16.29,1 .93,0.30,0.72,0.45,0.11,0.51,0.14,0.00
Bosniak_Cazin,27.34,29.95,15.54,9.19,15.14,0.66,0. 02,0.48,0.34,0.41,0.80,0.15,0.00

[Dušan]

Mosque-style church OMEGALUL.
I would never-ever expect to see such thing in my life :D :D :D They basically built a church with a minaret but with a bell instead.

Shut up.

You stole Byzantine style for building mosques. You desacrated Saint Sofia in Constantinpole.
Bell tower have to be this high so no mosque should be over them.

[Jana]

Indeed, Albanians can't be used as native Balkan proxy because they are part Slavic (20-30%). And Poles score some minor Germanic.

[Hektor12]

You stole Byzantine style for building mosques.I dont reject that Turkish mosques are Byzantine style. Theres a story behind: Mehmed the Conqueror declared himself as the new Byzantion Caesar after conquering Constantinople, so he basically claimed Byzantine heritage and most of the things.

[duty]

Wrong, along with Greece, the only Axis occupied in southeast Europe.

https://edsitement.neh.gov/sites/default/files/resource/ww2%20interactive%20europe.png

All others were puppets, especialy Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians. Although Hitler despised all of you, he tolerated you, beacuse him needed your support, since Serbs refused to join.

Yad Vashem and other historcians say different. Serbs supported Hitler to get Jews and thats how Serbia become a "Judenfrei town", although Serbs were "subhuman" in Hitlers eyes.


Republika Srpska is more Serbia than Serbia itself. I have never seen so many Serbian flags as there, in every corner. So pleasant and nice athmosphere, and great people are Serbs from Srpska.

And still its part of Bosnia
And the Serbian population drastingly have fallen, since the end of the war:

1991 1,369,258 31.21% 4,364,649
2013 1,086,733 30.78% 3,551,159

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina


Yes, you are Albo, or Bosnian Muslim.

No, im not

[Dušan]

I dont reject that Turkish mosques are Byzantine style. Theres a story behind: Mehmed the Conqueror declared himself as the new Byzantion Caesar after conquering Constantinople, so he basically claimed Byzantine heritage and most of the things.

Byzantine heritage is Orthodox Christianity. You stole church arhitecture style for building mosques.
Ottomans destroyed Byzantine empire, they are not its succesors. It is bizzarre even think that you are succesors of Byzantine.

[Varda]

Yad Vashem and other historcians say different. Serbs supported Hitler to get Jews and thats how Serbia become a "Judenfrei town", although Serbs were "subhuman" in Hitlers eyes.



And still its part of Bosnia
And the Serbian population drastingly have fallen, since the end of the war:

1991 1,369,258 31.21% 4,364,649
2013 1,086,733 30.78% 3,551,159

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina



No, im not

Serbs are 83% in Republika Srpska. We don't give a damn for Bosnia and Herzegovina as whole!

BiH is non functional artificial creation which exist as an imitation of the state only due to will of some western centers of power. It will not last forever. BiH will fall apart, and years separate us from that holy day (not decades). Disintegration of BiH will be probably peaceful like Czechoslovakia, there is no will for new war on any side. But we will be ready even for new war if would be necessary.

[Dušan]

Yad Vashem and other historcians say different. Serbs supported Hitler to get Jews and thats how Serbia become a "Judenfrei town", although Serbs were "subhuman" in Hitlers eyes.



Stop lying Albo-Muslim troll.

United States Holocaust Memorial museum


https://i.imgur.com/REXj63F.png

Serbia marked as occupied territory.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/map/german-administration-of-europe-1942

[Dušan]

Serbs are 83% in Republika Srpska. We don't give a damn for Bosnia and Herzegovina as whole!


No, Serbs are 90% of total population of Republika Srpska.

Lot of diaspora Muslims from Germany, Sweden etc recorded on census, who dont live in Srpska.

[Hektor12]

Byzantine heritage is Orthodox Christianity.Bro things may change. We were shamanists then muslims then deists.

You stole church arhitecture style for building mosques.

Lets not say "stole" because that style used in the same part of the world and basically by the same people. So it belongs here.

Ottomans destroyed Byzantine empire, they are not its succesors.

Thats not my problem? Talk to Mehmed; he claimed the Caesar.

It is bizzarre even think that you are succesors of Byzantine.

We live in the former Byzantine part of the world, we build in Byzantine style, even our flag depicts Byzantine star-and-crescent symbols. People are mix of Turks and local Byzantines, we still use the Byzantine names for the most of cities today. We preserved the most important Byzantine symbol, the Hagia Sophia for centuries in an excellent form. Cultural side is another story.

Who is the successor if we are not? Athens Greeks? :picard2:

[Dušan]

And the Serbian population drastingly have fallen, since the end of the war:

1991 1,369,258 31.21% 4,364,649
2013 1,086,733 30.78% 3,551,159

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina



This is recent statistics:

Unpleasant for you. :D

Bosnian Muslims
Births / Deaths in 2020.

in Muslim-Croat Federation:
13.724 / 18.232
(-4508)

in Republika Srpska
517 / 1.313
(-796)


About what growth you talking about? :lol:




Total births in Muslim-Croat Federation vs total births in Republika Srpska (ratio)

1996: 34.331 / 12.263 (2,80)
1997: 34.304 / 13.757 (2,49)
1998: 31.480 / 13.527 (2,33)
1999: 27.964 / 14.500 (1,93)
2000: 25.372 / 14.191 (1,79)
2001: 24.018 / 13.699 (1,75)
2002: 23.251 / 12.336 (1,88)
2003: 23.168 / 10.537 (2,20)
2004: 22.250 / 10.628 (2,09)
2005: 21.934 / 10.322 (2,12)
2006: 21.602 / 10.524 (2,05)
2007: 21.715 / 10.110 (2,15)
2008: 22.920 / 10.198 (2,25)
2009: 22.913 / 10.603 (2,16)
2010: 22.382 / 10.147 (2,21)
2011: 21.228 / 9.561 (2,22)
2012: 21.472 / 9.978 (2,15)
2013: 20.145 / 9.510 (2,12)
2014: 19.880 / 9.335 (2,13)
2015: 19.358 / 9.357 (2,07)
2016: 19.655 / 9.452 (2,08)
2017: 19.824 / 9.339 (2,12)
2018: 18.899 / 9.568 (1,98)
2019: 18.019 / 9.274 (1,94)
2020: 17.211 / 9.161 (1,88)

As you can see, decline of births is much higher in Muslim-Croat Federation than in Republika Srpska.
After the war in 1996 there were 2.8 times more births in M-C federation than in Republika Srpska, last year it is only 1.88 more than in Republika Srpska.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gerard-Toal/publication/270154381/figure/fig1/AS:450575822266368@1484437056272/General-location-map-of-Bosnia-Herzegovina-showing-the-IEBL-and-major-settlements.png

[Lucas]

Who said that?

[Dušan]

Bro things may change. We were shamanists then muslims then deists.

You stole church arhitecture style for building mosques.

Lets not say "stole" because that style used in the same part of the world and basically by the same people. So it belongs here.

Ottomans destroyed Byzantine empire, they are not its succesors.

Thats not my problem? Talk to Mehmed; he claimed the Caesar.

It is bizzarre even think that you are succesors of Byzantine.

We live in the former Byzantine part of the world, we built in Byzantine style, even our flag depicts Byzantine star-and-crescent symbols. People are mix of Turks and local byzantines, we still use the Byzantine names for the most of cities today. We preserved the most important Byzantine symbol, the Hagia Sophia for centuries in an excellent form. Cultural side is another story.

Who is the successor if we are not? Athens Greeks? :picard2:

Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians are more succesor of Byzantine empire than you.

I am predominantly Slav, but one third of of my autosomal genetics is pure Roman Byzantine.

[Varda]

No, Serbs are 90% of total population of Republika Srpska.

Lot of diaspora Muslims from Germany, Sweden etc recorded on census, who dont live in Srpska.

Even better. :thumb001:

Good think is that non-Serbs in Republika Srpska are mostly older people. :)

[Varda]

Glory to Serbian heroes of Bosnia!


https://youtu.be/qeAEdU4p5Cg

[Leto]

Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians are more succesor of Byzantine empire than you.

I am predominantly Slav, but one third of of my autosomal genetics is pure Roman Byzantine.
Russia was the real successor in terms of culture and the form of government. Even the double-headed eagle was borrowed from them. Moscow was considered the third Rome. I'm not talking about blood, Byzantium was a diverse empire anyway. But it was an Orthodox Christian autocracy.

"Byzantium" didn't even exist, they referred to themselves as Romans. To this day the Christians of the Levant are called "Rum".

[Hektor12]

Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians are more succesor of Byzantine empire than you.

I am predominantly Slav, but one third of of my autosomal genetics is pure Roman Byzantine.
Imagine a parallel history= Byzantines converted to muslim voluntarily for some reason? Now you and others would be lesser successors. And dont forget;; we hold the capital and the Hagia Sophia.

Anyways, im not here to provoke you or anybody else, just your churces with minarets looked interesting to me, as its unusual thing.

[Dušan]

Russia was the real successor in terms of culture and the form of government. Even the double-headed eagle was borrowed from them. Moscow was considered the third Rome. I'm not talking about blood, Byzantium was a diverse empire anyway. But it was an Orthodox Christian autocracy.

I agree.

Serbian coat of arm is also successor of Byzantine

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Coat_of_arms_of_Serbia_small.svg/1200px-Coat_of_arms_of_Serbia_small.svg.png

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/af/38/8caf389333cc6b165008a760e1f537f0.png

[Varda]

Glory to Serbian heroes of Bosnia!


https://youtu.be/qeAEdU4p5Cg

Serbian fighters captured kebab. :)


https://youtu.be/GdzmcDsFP5Y

[Dušan]

Imagine a parallel history= Byzantines converted to muslim voluntarily for some reason? Now you and others would be lesser successors. And dont forget;; we hold the capital and the Hagia Sophia.

Anyways, im not here to provoke you or anybody else, just your churces with minarets looked interesting to me, as its unusual thing.

Thats just your projection of parallel history.
You are successor of Central Asian tribes and Arabs through islam.

These are not churches with minarets, but with very high tower bell, that symbolize Serbian victory. :)

[Florin2000]

Indeed, Albanians can't be used as native Balkan proxy because they are part Slavic (20-30%). And Poles score some minor Germanic.

Do you prefer italian and ukrainian? 108179

[duty]

Stop lying Albo-Muslim troll.

United States Holocaust Memorial museum


https://i.imgur.com/REXj63F.png

Serbia marked as occupied territory.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/map/german-administration-of-europe-1942

United States Holocaust Memorial museum

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/?q=Chetniks.&search_field=subject

Draza Mihajlovic potrait:

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1140002

He concluded that there was no point in fighting against the Germans, that his focus should be on the fate of Yugoslavia after the war, and that his true enemy was the communist partisan movement under Tito. As a result, Mihajlovic left off his struggle with the German invaders by the end of 1941 and gradually developed a collaborative relationship with the Italians and Germans against the partisans. In response, the Allies switched their support to the partisans who were fighting the Germans and came to view the Chetniks as Nazi collaborators. After the occupation of Serbia by the partisans and the Soviet army, the Chetniks were hunted down. Mihajlovic went into hiding, but was captured and arrested on March 13, 1946. Found guilty of treason and collaboration, he was executed in Belgrade in 1946.

[Dušan]

United States Holocaust Memorial museum

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/?q=Chetniks.&search_field=subject

Draza Mihajlovic potrait:

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1140002

He concluded that there was no point in fighting against the Germans, that his focus should be on the fate of Yugoslavia after the war, and that his true enemy was the communist partisan movement under Tito. As a result, Mihajlovic left off his struggle with the German invaders by the end of 1941 and gradually developed a collaborative relationship with the Italians and Germans against the partisans. In response, the Allies switched their support to the partisans who were fighting the Germans and came to view the Chetniks as Nazi collaborators. After the occupation of Serbia by the partisans and the Soviet army, the Chetniks were hunted down. Mihajlovic went into hiding, but was captured and arrested on March 13, 1946. Found guilty of treason and collaboration, he was executed in Belgrade in 1946.

LOL

You are so funny Albo-Muslim troll

If chetniks were antisemitic and nazi colaborators, then some Jews will never join them.

As this one.

https://srbin.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/aron-rengel-cetnik-jevrejin.jpg


So stop portrait Serbs as antisemitic, stupid Albo-Muslim troll.

[duty]

LOL

You are so funny Albo-Muslim troll

If chetniks were antisemitic and nazi colaborators, then some Jews will never join them.

As this one.

https://srbin.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/aron-rengel-cetnik-jevrejin.jpg


So stop portrait Serbs as antisemitic, stupid Albo-Muslim troll.


There were also Jews who joined the Wehrmacht, here look:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/ellen-feldman-nazi-germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Goldberg

Serbs were German-Nazi puppets during WW2, claimed by everyone. Deal with it!

[Dušan]

Only in your sick mind.

Hitler was furious when Belgrade refused to join axis, thus he bombed Belgrade in 6th april 1941, and occupied whole Yugoslavia, and releised his faithfull dogs Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians who commited genocidal crimes against SErbs in WW2.
He despised these nations, but tolerated them because he need support in west Balkans.
Only respected Serbs as dominant people on west Balkans, but Serbs would never accept his nazi ideology.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmDHZ-jRfY

[Vrazijadivizija]

Only in your sick mind.

Hitler was furious when Belgrade refused to join axis, thus he bombed Belgrade in 6th april 1941, and occupied whole Yugoslavia, and releised his faithfull dogs Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians who commited genocidal crimes against SErbs in WW2.
He despised these nations, but tolerated them because he need support in west Balkans.
Only respected Serbs as dominant people on west Balkans, but Serbs would never accept his nazi ideology.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmDHZ-jRfY

Your "defender" people commited crimes against their own "patriots":D :rofl: your country and most of ur people are a world laughing stock and everything by each day proves it.
we wuuz defender of Europe..gives its own people to Turks and serves them gladly
we wuuz anti nazis...kills own people to prove their loyalty..everything that you people show on the internet is fake when everyone knows who you really are.




Who the Serbian Chetniks really were, how they behaved during the Second World War and the scale of their atrocities are best confirmed by the mass slaughter and torture of tens of thousands of civilians, including many Serbs - because Greater Serbia extremists are like servants of the occupiers (Germans, Italians) proved their loyalty to the new masters by actively participating in the liquidation of all dissidents, including their own compatriots, while their widely known propensity for robbery, rape and bestial abuse of victims (a tradition inherited from the wars with the Turks and the period of Chetnik action in Macedonia , The Balkan Wars and the conquest of northern Albania) was only an additional motivation. Whether they did it alone or in cooperation with the people of Nedići, Ljotići, Bulgarian fascists, Italians, Germans,


Criminal "flying squads" and the infamous "troika" - with the usual and established practice of slaughtering victims, stabbing, burning living people in their own homes - ethnically cleansed the NDH areas of Croats and Muslims, but also brutally dealt with their own. dissidents in Serbia who were considered "national traitors", and "traitors" were all those who were not without remnants "for the King and the Fatherland", that is, for "Greater Serbia".


Girl Vida Pantić - victim of the Chetnik massacre in Vranić

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Massacres and atrocities against civilians were committed in: Vranic, Cacak, Cuprija, Bolec, Drugovac, Trstenik, Rajinac, Stragari, Sevojno, Dokmir, Selevc, Crnca, Valjevo, Ljig, Gornji Milanovac, Kukljina, Zvizdar, Kruscica, Slavkovica, Darosava, Progarevci, Velika Drenova, Malca , Zaklopači, Majdanpek, Kamenica, Manojlica, Tekija, Rudnik, Takovo, Aleksandrovac, Ćićevac, Zaječar, Kraljevo, Negotin, Grabovac, Bučumet, Kušići, Mionica, Arilje, Lebane, Grocka, Umka, Uba, Tamnava, Koceljevo, Ivan , Sikoli, Vrnjacka Banja, Nis, Negotin, Ursula, Skakavci, Ravna Gora, Razani, Gornja Gorijevnica, Brajici, Karan, Kosjeric, Guca, Radalj, Lisa, Debelica, Bor, Dragacevo, Mojsinje, Rosci, Virov, Trbusani, Pozega, Actors, Visibaba, Ježevica, Čajetina, Godovik, Brekovo, Đurđevac, Breznica, Rajkovac, etc., etc.

Only Serbia is taken into account here, that is, places where it is reliably known that almost exclusively Serbs lived. And the list, unfortunately, is not final.


Chetniks with Germans: planning joint operations

It can be said with certainty that no warring party committed such atrocities against members of its own people as the Serbian Chetniks, which speaks better than any other evidence of what kind of monsters they were. The question that inevitably arises is: should we marvel at the mass slaughter of Croats, Muslims and other non-Serb peoples, if they did so with their own?



In Belgrade, on the occasion of the capture of Draza Mihailovic (which followed, not without reason, almost a year after the end of World War II - 13 March 1946 . Year)

March 24, 1946 A solemn session of the National Assembly of the Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia was held in 2006, at which the first man of the UN, Aleksandar Ranković , also spoke .

In the same year, the People's Front of Yugoslavia published a brochure of the Testimony of the People on the Betrayal and Crimes of Draža Mihailović - Telegrams of Gratitude to Comrade Aleksandar Ranković(p. 76, price: 18 dinars - the original copy of the book is in the personal archive of the author of this text) in which transcripts of a total of 89 telegram letters were published (with 11 facsimiles). These were the thanks of the citizens regarding the arrest of the Chetnik leader, as follows: 64 letters from Serbia; 11 from Bosnia and Herzegovina; 5 from Srijem, Banat and Bačka (ie today's Vojvodina); 3 each from Croatia and Montenegro; one letter from Kosovo and Metohija and one letter from Macedonia. All letters are dated, with the exact location and name of the sender (whether they are institutions, associations or individuals), and in the vast majority with specific, named victims and perpetrators of crimes.



At the end of Chapter I and on the last pages of the book, a list of a total of 185 unpublished letters and telegrams was made, noting that this is only a part of the mail that arrived, and that all written items are similar in content to those published, which means that a total of at least 274 letters or telegrams, of which the largest number (143) is from "narrower" Serbia, and the rest from other republics, provinces and regions.

Regardless of possible political manipulation and ideological coloration (which cannot be completely ruled out), this material has its value, and can serve as evidence that Chetniks committed mass crimes not only against the non-Serb population, but also against Serbs, members of their own people. - all the more so since most of the letters and telegrams were signed by the personal names and surnames of the sender and refer to very specific, verifiable events.

The mentioned book specifically mentions 53 Chetnik criminal - đeneral Draza Mihailovic , Colonel Nikola Kalabić , Duke Momcilo Đujić , Duke Dobrosav Jevđević Lt. Col. Racic , captain Vasic , Captain Vasiljevic , Duke Vojo Tribrođanin , lieutenant Muscle Alexander , Duke Kerović , captain Medic Lieutenant Ajdačić , Duke Buda Bosiljčić , Lieutenant Milić Bošković , Marko Kotarac , Lieutenant MatićCaptain Boros , Lieutenant Mirko Tomasevic , captain Lek Damjanovic , Milos Erkic , Boro Mitranovic Colonel Borota , Colonel Vranešević , Duke Rade Radic , Captain James Jovovic , Drazin commander Miodrag Damjanovic brothers Gordić , commander of the Corps Keserović Dragutin , Vucko Ignjatovic , Milos Markovic , Vojvoda Kovac , Uros Drenovic , Vukasin Marcetic , Vaso Mijatovic, Mladen Slavković , Kosta Pećanac , Čabrić , Đujić's close associate Đuro Marić , Lapčević , Radović , Komarčević , Perić , Captain Pantović , Draža's connection with the Germans in Serbia ' Garagan' , Captain Nikola Sokić , Raković , Barišić , Bojan Ristanović , Ljubo Jovanović , Cveja Nedic , Marjanovic , Kinicevac .



All of them are mentioned as ringleaders and executors of numerous mass liquidations throughout almost the entire war period (from 1941 to the fall of 1944 - until before the decisive battle for Belgrade, almost all Chetniks joined the partisans). Thus, for example, Bojan Ristanović claims in a letter that he killed 178 people in the Čačak district - Serbia).

To illustrate, here are a few quotes from the aforementioned brochure:

"( From the speech of Comrade Života Đermanović, Minister of Social Policy of Serbia, held in the Presidium of the National Assembly of the People's Republic of Serbia )

'(…) Well, precisely because he is from my area, I will dwell on Draža's commander-in-chief, who figured as the commander of the King's Guard , the almost liquidated Nikola Kalabić , who not only slaughtered people , but also had a People's Liberation Fighter in the village of Đurđevac. movement of Živan Đurđević alive in front of about 20 witnesses, some of whom are alive . By order of Nicholas Kalabid that Ivan killed the son , and then tied to a spit and roasted alive this ... ' "

(p. 12; pointed out: ZP)

"( From the speech of Comrade Miloš Carević, Minister of Justice of Serbia, held in the Presidium of the National Assembly of the People's Republic of Serbia )

The Minister of Justice… said, among other things, on the occasion of the capture of Draža Mihailović… at the session… held on April 12, 1946 :



'On behalf of those peasants and on behalf of the people who suffered the most from terror and the acts of Draža Mihailović near Ravna gora, on behalf of all those who witnessed the bloody daggers of Draža Mihailović and his people, and the deaths produced in my family by explicit order Draža Mihailović , I think that the Serbian National Assembly should really pay tribute to the leaders of our public security who made it possible to capture Draža Mihailović alive, to break the legend of the 'mountain emperor', to break the legend of some heroism and to in all his nakedness this degenerate guy could be brought to justice and show in all his lowliness and misery in which he was all his life '("applause") "

(p. 14; pointed out: ZP)

"Peasants of the village of Crnča , Sreza beličkog ( Serbia ) from their conference" write, among other things:

"At the same time, we are strongly protesting against the note of the American Embassy, ​​which is trying to present Draza as a fighter against the Germans."We all know that Draža Mihailović's butchers from this village shot or slaughtered 5 people, and beat over 30. Many of us were eyewitnesses when Draža Mihailović's famous Chetnik butcher Mladen Slavković slaughtered a man from a nearby village in front of the masses. This executioner did not want to execute the punishment by shooting, saying that it was a pity to spoil the bullet. Many of those killed were left in the open field or in the woods, and their dogs and birds distributed their bodies piece by piece. We know that Draža and his Chetniks are famous as drunkards, butchers, murderers of the Serbian people and faithful servants of German fascism. We have never seen or heard Draža's Chetniks fight against the Germans, and we have seen when the Chetniks, in company with the people of Nedićevo and the Germans, attacked partisan detachments and forced them to withdraw from the territory of our district in 1941. "

(p. 26; pointed out: ZP)

"Participants in the district conference of the People's Front of the County of Trstenik ( Serbia ) write:

'(…) The week and the crimes of Draža's commanders, the brothers Gordić , Keserović and others, will always remain in the memory of the people of this area. The district commission for determining crimes has determined over 1,500 murders, and there are many more that are not known .

Chetnik butchers butchered people in the middle of the day. The Nikoletić family was butchered at the train station in Trstenik. Tila Jovanović, a man without a single leg, who was riding in a wheelchair, was slaughtered in Stragari. In Rajinac, Chetnik butchers slaughtered teacher Kindle together with a family of seven members during one night, in December 1942. The next day, the eight-year-old child of this family, who hid during the night, was slaughtered in the village forest. There have been many similar cases of ' …'

(p. 17; pointed out: ZP)

"Citizens of the village of Kukljina near Kruševac ( Serbia ), Radivoje Ristić , Miladin Krstić and others, sent the following letter:

'… In our village of Kukljina, 15 people were slaughtered during the occupation by the Chetniks Draža Mihailović, who were put under the letter' Z 'by the gangs of his commander Čabrić and slaughtered. The Chetniks captured the patriots and handed them over to the Germans to shoot them. That is how they handed over Zivoti Ristic to the Germans, when they shot him. They slaughtered the family of comrade Tomić in the most brutal way. Morava carried corpses every day. They destroyed the entire family of Lazar Miladinović. We are living witnesses of the cooperation between the Chetniks and the Germans when they drove together in September 1944 on German tanks …

Today, no one in Kukljina asks us whether Draža will be convicted, but whether he will be tried the way he slaughtered and condemned others… '"

(pp. 30-31; pointed out: ZP)

"The people of the village of Zvizdara in the Tamnava County ( Serbia ) sent the following testimony about the crimes of Draža Mihailović and his bandits:

'Our village Zvizdar near Ub suffered great suffering from the Chetniks Draža Mihailović. From the fall of 1942, the main Chetnik center in Tamnava was in Zvizdar. For two and a half years, his infamous commanders Lapčević, Radović, Komarčević, Perić, Bosiljčić and others, spent a week in our village and all in the name of the king and the fatherland. They beat many mothers…

Batinano is about 48 peasants. The Chetnik headquarters was at Miroslav Krnić's house… On the morning of August 28, 1943, 32 trucks of SS soldiers came and Draža's Chetniks in German uniforms were trained with them. They expelled about a thousand people to the camp, to the ponds of the village of Sovljak and to Tvrdojevac. They beat the late Miroslav and burned him alive in the afternoon, as follows: Miroslav Krnić, Aleksandar, 98-year-old Dragutin, Soka, Miroslav's wife who was in labor that night, Radoslav, 5, Slobodan, 2, Danica, 33, Božana aged 15, and the refugees who were settled, namely: Kovač Petra, Stana, his wife, children Dušan, Danica and Ljubica, all under 14, Ranković Miloš, Miroslav's servant, Branko Vuković, a refugee who was a servant of Leka Josipovic who happened that morning at the gate when they put them in the basket,. There is a song about that in the village:

They put them all in the basket,

Surrounded on four sides;

It is a pleasure for the enemies…

Then there was a moan from the basket

Fire burns both young and old,

The fire burns and burns the suit,

Burning hair, and burning body .

In addition to these victims, many peasants trembled at the guards on the road, guarding the supposedly Chetniks forcibly assigned to these duties, while the murderers and the Germans drank and thundered together. That is how Captain Pantović took sheep and cattle from the peasants and gave them to the Germans for ammunition … '"

(pp. 31-32; pointed out: ZP)

" Citizens of the villages of Darosava and Progarevac near Arandjelovac ( Serbia )" sent "a telegram with the following content:

'In order to repay their fallen victims by the bloodthirsty Draža Mihailović and his gangs, who on his orders committed a number of atrocities in our place, namely: slaughtered 45 men and women, hanged 6 citizens of this place, shot and killed 163 people , beaten 106, set fire to 40 homes, handed over 32 citizens to the Germans who expelled them to Norway, where 28 of them died of starvation, and only four survived - 11 of us invalids, mothers, fathers, friends, brothers and sisters of the fallen victims are asked to the greatest villain of our peoples, Draža Mihailović, is punished with the most severe punishment for the atrocities committed . This will only satisfy justice and at least alleviate incurable wounds…

We join the note of our government addressed to the Government of the United States of America and we protest against any interference in our internal affairs . We demand from the International Commission that all war criminals, who roam freely in Italy and other countries, be handed over to the people's court of our country. "

(pp. 35-36; pointed out: ZP)

" Milorad Teofilović , a seventh grade high school student from Čačak ( Serbia ) writes:"

'… In addition to a thousand examples, I want to cite only two: in the village of Gorijevnica near Čačak, Draža Mihailović's gangs brutally killed the Toroman family. The shaggy villains used the most drastic tortures. Thus, one woman from that house, after her husband was killed, was cut up and a living child was taken out of it twenty days before the birth .

On another occasion, they captured 30 boys and girls and declared them partisans, and as such began to torture them. On the eve of the day when they wanted to shoot them, they raped the girls, and then killed them. It is impossible to list all the atrocities of the Chetniks Draža Mihailović, which Draža personally managed by giving directives for further slaughter . That's why this cruel criminal needs it

to receive the punishment he deserves, the punishment demanded by the mothers of the dead sons.

(p. 45; pointed out: ZP)

" Dragomir D. Božinović … Manojlica , Svrljig County ( Serbia ), expresses his gratitude… in a letter which states, among other things:

'(…) Draža Mihailović slaughtered my sister Krista among the killed and slaughtered 127 of our citizens of Svrljig, cut off her tongue and breasts alive, and then her head. The Chetniks beat my peasant Stanimir, who died of his injuries, and in addition to him, over 30 citizens were beaten, countless of them were robbed. He also sentenced me to death three times for my anti-fascist attitude.

On behalf of the people of my village, I want and ask such a traitor of the people and a beastly slaughter to be brought before the court as soon as possible and to be punished with the punishment with which he also punished my sister: death .

(pp. 46-47; pointed out: ZP; facsimile of letter on p. 46)

" Desimir Đurić , a young man from the village of Tekije , Rasinski County , Kruševac District ( Serbia ), expresses his joy at the capture of Draža Mihailović:

'Comrade Leko, there was no greater joy in my life than when I found out that Draža Mihailović, a criminal that history does not remember, was caught. His infamous Chetnik dagger was also felt in our village. My uncle and brother were the first victims of his dagger. Just because they were honest patriots they were killed, in the most brutal way. They burned them on the fire, took out their hearts and livers and other things. For the revenge of my brother and uncle, as well as other victims killed by the Chetnik gangs that Draža was the patron of, I am asking for the most horrible death for that national traitor . "

(pp. 49-50; pointed out: ZP; facsimile of letter on p. 49)

" Milovan Trišić-Đido writes about the brutal crimes of the Chetniks in Vranić near Belgrade :

'(…) The massacre in the village of Vranić, carried out in December 1943, is known to everyone and is unforgettable.

Seventy-two victims, most of them children, were slaughtered by Chetnik daggers, and then their bodies were mutilated so that they had to be collected piece by piece so that the victim could be buried.

The same fate befell my sister Milena Pantić and her two weak children and seven family members. It was hard to watch the mutilated victims… '"

(pp.63-64; pointed out: ZP)

The surviving relatives of the victims are the only ones who still cherish the memory of them and keep these events from being forgotten. Thus, one of the worst and most brutal Chetnik massacres - in the village of Vranic (near Belgrade) was made a documentary "Black Night, Black Brothers" which tells in detail about the atrocities of Draza's butchers who killed entire families - women, the elderly, children (even the one in the cradle), with bestial torture and rape of women and underage girls. The film has been shown several times, both in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Authentic testimonies about the event were also recorded at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r70kq0yXTTQ )

It is interesting that the Chetniks committed the largest and most massive atrocities in Serbia from the second half of 1943 until the end of 1944 (although there were also crimes in early 1945). They were clearly convinced that with the help of their "government" in London and the Western Allies, they would establish a monarchist government.

[duty]

Only in your sick mind.

Hitler was furious when Belgrade refused to join axis, thus he bombed Belgrade in 6th april 1941, and occupied whole Yugoslavia, and releised his faithfull dogs Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians who commited genocidal crimes against SErbs in WW2.
He despised these nations, but tolerated them because he need support in west Balkans.
Only respected Serbs as dominant people on west Balkans, but Serbs would never accept his nazi ideology.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmDHZ-jRfY


United States Holocaust Memorial museum and Yad Vashem claimed: Serbs joined the axis and Serbs were faithul dogs to Hitler, even Hitler claimed them as subhuman unlike there surounding neighbours. Serbs see this and still cant accept it.

https://collections.ushmm.org/search..._field=subject

Draza Mihajlovic potrait:

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1140002

He concluded that there was no point in fighting against the Germans, that his focus should be on the fate of Yugoslavia after the war, and that his true enemy was the communist partisan movement under Tito. As a result, Mihajlovic left off his struggle with the German invaders by the end of 1941 and gradually developed a collaborative relationship with the Italians and Germans against the partisans. In response, the Allies switched their support to the partisans who were fighting the Germans and came to view the Chetniks as Nazi collaborators. After the occupation of Serbia by the partisans and the Soviet army, the Chetniks were hunted down. Mihajlovic went into hiding, but was captured and arrested on March 13, 1946. Found guilty of treason and collaboration, he was executed in Belgrade in 1946.

[Dušan]

Keep larping.



This is how faithfull dogs looks like. :)
Citizens of Zagreb in 1941.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWY4BOIvaV0



Now compare that with bombing of Belgrade.

[Jana]

Just shows lack of IQ, it not for putsch, Serb-dominated Yugoslavia would be completely peserved xD
Rich coming from guy whose orthodox ancestors served Catholic Austrian Empire as cannon fodder.

[duty]

Keep larping.



This is how faithfull dogs looks like. :)
Citizens of Zagreb in 1941.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWY4BOIvaV0



Now compare that with bombing of Belgrade.

Faithul dogs you can see here:

https://collections.ushmm.org/search..._field=subject

https://c8.alamy.com/compde/rbynjr/adolf-hitler-der-fuhrer-von-deutschland-und-pavle-karaorevi-prince-regent-von-jugoslawien-in-berchtesgaden-am-5-marz-1941-traf-am-3-marz-1941-jugoslawische-prince-regent-pavle-karaorevi-heimlich-ging-an-nazi-deutschland-mit-adolf-hitler-uber-den-beitritt-von-jugoslawien-zu-den-dreiseitigen-pakt-zu-verhandeln-rbynjr.jpg

Very interesting:
The day of the coup, Hitler issued Directive 25, which stated that the coup had changed the political situation in the Balkans. He ordered that "even if Yugoslavia at first should give declarations of loyalty, she must be considered as a foe and therefore must be destroyed as quickly as possible".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Retribution_(1941)

[RogueState]

Bosnia being in between Croatia and Serbia, it doesn't seem surprising that they are genetically in-between Croats and Serbs.

But AFAIK they do seem closer from a genetical point of view to Croats

[CommonSense]

These models aren't the best, since early Slavs were like Ukrainians, not Poles, and pre-Slavic weren't exactly like Albanians, especially in northern Croatia.

you can try this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342186-Serbian-autosomal-DNA-2&p=7182464&viewfull=1#post7182464

btw, "Bosniak_Bosnia" includes only those from this region: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_(region), minus the Cazin region which is autosomally different.

here are the averages for 2 regions I didn't include in "Bosniak_Bosnia", sadly only 3-4 samples each:


Bosniak_Herzegovina,24.94,29.13,16.36,9.11,16.29,1 .93,0.30,0.72,0.45,0.11,0.51,0.14,0.00
Bosniak_Cazin,27.34,29.95,15.54,9.19,15.14,0.66,0. 02,0.48,0.34,0.41,0.80,0.15,0.00

3-4 samples is only for Cazin, Bužim and Bihać I'm assuming? You should make an expanded average called Bosniak_Krajina that would include the entire Bosanska Krajina.

[vbnetkhio]

3-4 samples is only for Cazin, Bužim and Bihać I'm assuming? You should make an expanded average called Bosniak_Krajina that would include the entire Bosanska Krajina.

yes. Other samples are from Prijedor and they look more Slavic, like those from central Bosnia.
also, only the Cazin/Bužim/Bihać area was called Krajina originally, the name spread eastwards later, so I think it makes sense to separate only that area.


1,28.98,28.37,18.37,8.42,12.8,1.35,0,0,0.79,0.74,0 .19,0,0
2,27.98,31.43,13.14,9.6,14.58,0.23,0.08,0.59,0,0.5 3,1.26,0.58,0
3,24.14,31.47,13.77,10.05,17.92,1.04,0,0.23,0.56,0 .22,0.59,0,0
4,28.27,28.52,16.86,8.69,15.26,0,0,1.09,0,0.14,1.1 6,0,0

these are the samples I included, do you know of any others?

[CommonSense]

yes. Other samples are from Prijedor and they look more Slavic, like those from central Bosnia.
also, only the Cazin/Bužim/Bihać area was called Krajina originally, the name spread eastwards later, so I think it makes sense to separate only that area.


1,28.98,28.37,18.37,8.42,12.8,1.35,0,0,0.79,0.74,0 .19,0,0
2,27.98,31.43,13.14,9.6,14.58,0.23,0.08,0.59,0,0.5 3,1.26,0.58,0
3,24.14,31.47,13.77,10.05,17.92,1.04,0,0.23,0.56,0 .22,0.59,0,0
4,28.27,28.52,16.86,8.69,15.26,0,0,1.09,0,0.14,1.1 6,0,0

these are the samples I included, do you know of any others?

These two kits are from Prijedor, the latter I posted recently. I don't see what's so different about them?


RX6196347
T394698


and these two who are half Bužim, half Prijedor:


T909192
FB4653228


Unless you know of some samples from Krajina that are Slovene-like such as those from central Bosnia, I don't see an issue about making an average for the entire region.

[vbnetkhio]

These two kits are from Prijedor, the latter I posted recently. I don't see what's so different about them?


RX6196347
T394698


and these two who are half Bužim, half Prijedor:


T909192
FB4653228


Unless you know of some samples from Krajina that are Slovene-like such as those from central Bosnia, I don't see an issue about making an average for the entire region.

I have 2 more samples from Prijedor:


p1,25.31,31.76,19.05,9.34,7.70,3.83,1.84,0.00,0.64 ,0.13,0.40,0.00,0.00
p2,25.23,36.39,15.69,9.84,10.34,0.84,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,1.11,0.00,0.58,0.00
p3,26.58,30.49,15.49,7.90,14.60,3.54,0.00,0.30,0.6 2,0.00,0.17,0.31,0.00
p4,22.27,34.78,16.52,10.04,10.83,1.51,1.65,0.80,0. 00,0.86,0.12,0.00,0.63

avg,24.85,33.36,16.69,9.28,10.87,2.43,0.87,0.28,0. 32,0.53,0.17,0.22,0.16

^it looks closer to central than to Bužim/Cazin/Bihać