Do south Croats look more like Montenegrins or north Croats?

[Florin2000]

I wonder which one is it

[Jana]

In between. Neither are that similar.

[Varda]

Many Dalmatian Croatians have Montenegrin Serb origin, especially in southern Dalmatia.

I have read work of Croatian linguist Domagoj Vidović about toponymy and speech of Metković area.
He said many local Croatian families carry legends about origin from Montenegro. Metković and part of Dalmatia south of Metković are ijekavian speakers like Montenegrins. It's only part of Croatia were Catholics/Croatians are native ijekavian speakers. Croatians from central and northern Dalmatia are ikavian speakers.

[Jana]

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[Jana]

Many Dalmatian Croatians have Montenegrin Serb origin, especially in southern Dalmatia.

I have read work of Croatian linguist Domagoj Vidović about toponymy and speech of Metković area.
He said many local Croatian families carry legends about origin from Montenegro. Metković and part of Dalmatia south of Metković are ijekavian speakers like Montenegrins. It's only part of Croatia were Catholics/Croatians are native ijekavian speakers. Croatians from central and northern Dalmatia are ikavian speakers.

No they dont. Montenegrin ancestry is completely irrelevant in Dalmatia except in Dubrovnik area (and that one is partly from Montenegrin Croats)

And they don't look like Montemegrins either, who are darker and with more Vlach features. My parents visited MNE and said they don't look like us at all.

[Ford]

They look like Albanized North Croats

[Varda]

No they dont. Montenegrin ancestry is completely irrelevant in Dalmatia except in Dubrovnik (and that one is.partly from Montenegrin Croats)

And they don't look like Montemegrins either, who are darker and with more Vlach features. My parents visited MNE and said they don't look like us at all.

I said southern Dalmatia. Southern Dalmatia is not only Dubrovnik.

According to Vidović strong majority of present day Croatian from Metković area originated eastern Herzegovina (mostly from Popovo polje) and Montenegro, and tiny minority came from western Herzegovina.

[Jana]

Typical Montenegrin is Novak Đoković and he is completely unpassable for Dalmatian Croat.

[Jana]

I said southern Dalmatia. Southern Dalmatia is not only Dubrovnik.

According to Vidović strong majority of present day Croatian from Metković area originated eastern Herzegovina (mostly from Popovo polje) and Montenegro, and tiny minority came from western Herzegovina.

Nope, they have nothing to do.with Serbs and especially not with Montenegrin baboons. Only connection of Dalmatia is with Boka and Croats there, they have nothing in common with primitive highland tribes above.

[Florin2000]

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do you think bosniak croats look more like bosniaks or south croats?

[Jana]

do you think bosniak croats look more like bosniaks or south croats?

There are no Bosniak, only Bosnian Croats. BiH Croats and Dalmatians are closest related people.

[Varda]

Nope, they have nothing to do.with Serbs and especially not with Montenegrin baboons. Only connection of Dalmatia is with Boka and Croats there, they have nothing in common with primitive highland tribes above.

Važno je naglasiti da mnogi pripadnici starosjedilačkih obitelji iz ovih krajeva kad ih se upita odakle su, odgovaraju da su iz Crne Gore...

Domagoj Vidović, Nacrt za Vidonjsku antroponimiju, page 156 (you can find on google, it's about this and surrounding villages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidonje)

[Jana]

Nobody cares for your fairy tales, even Hungarians are genetically closer to southern Croats than Montenegroes.

Distance to: Croat_South

1.86737784 Bosniak
1.96114762 Serb_Bosnia
2.44583319 Croat_West
2.80556590 Serb_Croatia
2.89446023 Croat
3.01519485 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.36249907 Serb_Serbia_West
3.55659950 Moldova_Centre
3.63771907 Croat_East
3.66245819 Moldova_average
3.70896212 Serb
4.00857830 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.01891776 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.42068999 Csángó-Ceangău
4.43134291 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.45149413 Moldova_North
4.52295258 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.71842135 Romania_Maramures
4.79043839 Hungarian_Alföld
5.35765807 Serb_Herzegovina
5.68022887 Hungarian
5.81731897 Serb_Serbia_South
6.02959368 Croat_North
6.53427884 Romania_Crisana
6.60490727 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.30727035 Hungarian_North
7.31918711 Montenegrin
7.34113070 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.35920512 Slovenian
7.46886203 Romania_Transylvania

[Varda]

Nope, they have nothing to do.with Serbs and especially not with Montenegrin baboons. Only connection of Dalmatia is with Boka and Croats there, they have nothing in common with primitive highland tribes above.

My mother studied in Rijeka and there was students from almost whole Yugoslavia there. She said students from roughly Split-Sinj area were one clan and they hung out only with each other, not even with other Dalmatians. Among them was one Serb from one village in hinterland of Split and others were Croatiams including this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Kujundžić
She say Milan Kujundžić was naboden and usiljen. :)

My point is that clannish behavior is very Montenegrin. Also, it's present among Dalmatians.

[Impaler]

Typical Montenegrin is Novak Đoković and he is completely unpassable for Dalmatian Croat.

He seems to be part Croat as well:

"He is the son of Dijana (Žagar) and Srđan Djokovic. His father, who is of Serbian and Montenegrin descent, was born in a village near Trepča, in Kosovo. His mother was born in Belgrade, and is of partly or entirely Croatian descent. His siblings, Marko Djokovic and Djordje Djokovic, are also tennis players. Novak is married to Jelena Ristić, with whom he has two children. His family is Serbian Orthodox".

[Jana]

He seems to be part Croat as well:

"He is the son of Dijana (Žagar) and Srđan Djokovic. His father, who is of Serbian and Montenegrin descent, was born in a village near Trepča, in Kosovo. His mother was born in Belgrade, and is of partly or entirely Croatian descent. His siblings, Marko Djokovic and Djordje Djokovic, are also tennis players. Novak is married to Jelena Ristić, with whom he has two children. His family is Serbian Orthodox".

Yes, but he looks completely Montenegrin.

[Jana]

My mother studied in Rijeka and there was students from almost whole Yugoslavia there. She said students from Split-Sinj area were clan and they hung out only with each other, not even with other Dalmatians. Among them was one Serb from one village in hinterland of Split and others were Croatiams including this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Kujundžić
She say Milan Kujundžić was naboden and usiljen. :)

My point is that clannish behavior is very Montenegrin. Also, it's present among Dalmatians.

Montenegrins are violent people with ugliest accent I ever heard (Herzegovina aand Bosnian accent comes close). I never heard for Dalmatian mafia in Zagreb, but did hear for Montenegrin mafia in Belgrade. And I'm not fooled by internal conflicts in MNE, for me they are nothing more than uber Četniks/Mountain Serbs.

[Arūnas]

Polako, polako

[Varda]

Montenegrins are violent people with ugliest accent I ever heard (Herzegovina accent comes close). I never heard for Dalmatian mafia in Zagreb, but did hear for Montenegrin mafia in Belgrade.
And I'm not fooled by internal conflicts in MNE, for me they are nothing more than uber Četniks/Mountain Serbs.

Robocop about tuđmanizacija of Dalmatia and Dalmatian pride posted on Serbian forum 8 days ago https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/referendum-o-dubrovniku.925901/page-14#post-42628728

[hurtuv]

Typical Montenegrin is Novak Đoković and he is completely unpassable for Dalmatian Croat.

Really? That seem odd :shrug:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Novak_Djokovic_CU.jpg/1200px-Novak_Djokovic_CU.jpg

[Jana]

Robocop about tuđmanizacija of Dalmatia and Dalmatian pride posted on Serbian forum 8 days ago https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/referendum-o-dubrovniku.925901/page-14#post-42628728

Interesting how many people of Zadar escaped with ferries to Islands and Italy during war. Robocop seems to be carrier of their heroic leagcy xD
Which is why Zadar is laughing stock in my area, called Escapes-Town.

[Jana]

Really? That seem odd :shrug:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Novak_Djokovic_CU.jpg/1200px-Novak_Djokovic_CU.jpg

Odd?

There are no Croats with face like that, he would be recognized as Othodox immediately.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Typical Montenegrin is Novak Đoković and he is completely unpassable for Dalmatian Croat.

What about Bojan Dubljević? Is he typical for Montenegrin?

[Jana]

What about Bojan Dubljević? Is he typical for Montenegrin?

Probably, but he passes in Dalmatia.

[Varda]

Interesting how many people of Zadar escaped with ferries to Islands and Italy during war. Robocop seems to be carrier of their heroic leagcy xD
Which is why Zadar is laughing stock in my area, called Escapes-Town.

This post about behavior of present day people from Split and Zadar is interesting https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/referendum-o-dubrovniku.925901/page-2#post-42612679

Jugoslav Čvarak is Croatian ynd Dalmatian (half Bodul, half Vlaj). Robocop liked his post. :)

[hurtuv]

Odd?

There are no Crots with face like that, he would be recognized as Othodox immediately.

All right then.

[Jana]

This post about behavior of present day people from Split and Zadar is interesting https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/referendum-o-dubrovniku.925901/page-2#post-42612679

Jugoslav Čvarak is Dalmatian and Croatian (half Bodul, half Vlaj). Robocop liked his post. :)

Split is criminal centre of Dalmatia nowadays, Dalmatian Naples. People there are most wild, my friends from Rijeka always had problems only with Dalmatians from Split and not other places.
Zadar is actually much calmer place with more mild people. We joke about Zadar as I said above, but people there are not wild and arrogant like in Split.

Dubrovnik is most civilized, but they are very weird and not even Dalmatians.

I prefer Šibenik ofcourse. Šibenik is something between Split and Zadar in mentality, but most Croatian/Slavic without strong Romance legacy like these two.

[Impaler]

Yes, but he looks completely Montenegrin.

How about these ethnic Serbs from Romania? They look more Montenegrins, Southern Croats or Serbs?

https://i.ibb.co/2yj7BK9/14637679788e01c638.jpg (https://ibb.co/G0VvjP6)
https://i.ibb.co/3Bfg2pk/iasmin.jpg (https://ibb.co/cDb406x)
https://i.ibb.co/3BwNM2n/ll.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Jana]

How about these ethnic Serbs from Romania? They look more Montenegrins, Southern Croats or Serbs?

https://i.ibb.co/2yj7BK9/14637679788e01c638.jpg (https://ibb.co/G0VvjP6)
https://i.ibb.co/3Bfg2pk/iasmin.jpg (https://ibb.co/cDb406x)
https://i.ibb.co/3BwNM2n/ll.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

I would say they look mostly Romanian, but I'm no expert.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Odd?

There are no Croats with face like that, he would be recognized as Othodox immediately.

lol what is it about this guys features that would be so foreign in Croatia?

[Varda]

Split is criminal centre of Dalmatia nowadays, Dalmatian Naples. People there are most wild, my friends from Rijeka always had problems only with Dalmatians from Split and not other places.
Zadar is actually much calmer place with more mild people. We joke about Zadar as I said above, but people there are not wild and arrogant like in Split.

Dubrovnik is most civilized, but they are very weird and not even Dalmatians.

I prefer Šibenik ofcourse. Šibenik is something between Split and Zadar in mentality, but most Croatian/Slavic without strong Romance legacy like these two.

I have heard that Split has failed economically a lot after the breakup of Yugoslavia. The industry failed, many people left Split...

First time Dubrovnik became part of same state as rest of Dalmatia in 1806 when Napoleon abolished Republic of Ragusa/Dubrovnik and annexed it as part of Illyrian Provinces together with Dalmatia. Since 1806 Dubrovnik is in same states with real Dalmatia. Before 1806 Dubrovnik was never in the same state as Split, Šibenik, Zadar etc. and nobody considered Dubrovnik for Dalmatia. Even today some people say Dubrovnik is not Dalmatia and that make sense. Dubrovčani are linguistically closer to eastern Herzegovinians and western Montenegrins than to central and northern Dalmatians.

[Jana]

I have heard that Split has failed economically a lot after the breakup of Yugoslavia. The industry failed, many people left Split.

First time Dubrovnik became part of same state as rest of Dalmatia in 1806 when Napoleon abolished Republic of Ragusa/Dubrovnik and annexed it as part of Illyrian Provinces together with Dalmatia. Since 1806 Dubrovnik is in same states with real Dalmatia. Before 1806 Dubrovnik was never in the same state as Split, Šibenik, Zadar etc. and nobody considered Dubrovnik for Dalmatia. Even today some people say Dubrovnik is not Dalmatia and that make sense. Dubrovčani are linguistically closer to eastern Herzegovinians and western Montenegrins than to central and northern Dalmatia.

Split has lot of money from tourism (and very strong start up/architecture/engineering sector), but lot of drugs and violence are there. Split isn't poor, it's one of most expensive cities in Croatia, flats there cost a fortune, but it does have a big underclass from industrial suburbs and old industries died off.
Dubrovnik isn't Dalmatia, but yes it was in same state with Dalmatia in medieval because it was jurisdiction of Croatian-Hungarian Kings.

Arabic medieval geographer Al-Idirsi named Dubrovnik as southernmost Croatian city.

Dubrovnik coat of arms is modeled after Arpadian stripes and they keep sacred relics of some Arpadian Kings in one monestary there.

People of Dubrovnik don't look like Dalmatians, more like Herzegovina and Montenegro.

[Varda]

Split has lot of money from tourism (and very strong start up/architecture/engineering sector), but lot of drugs and violence are there. Split isn't poor, it's one of most expensive cities in Croatia, flats there cost a fortune, but it does have a big underclass from industrial suburbs.
Dubrovnik isn't Dalmatia, but yes it was in same state with Dalmatia in medieval because it was jurisdiction of Croatian-Hungarian Kings.

Arabic medieval geographer Al-Idirsi named Dubrovnik as southernmost Croatian city.

Dubrovnik coat of arms is modeled after Arpadian stripes and they keep sacred relics of some Arpadian Kings in one monestary there.

It's anachronism created by some Croatian historians to justify presence of Dubrovnik in modern Croatia.
Most of the middle age Dubrovnik had only Romance speaking population or Romance speaking majority.
Slavic speaking people first time came to Dubrovnik in 12th century from Travunija (modern eastern part of eastern Herzegovina) and Slavic speakers became majority in 14th century. Romance language disappeared in Dubrovnik in 15th century. Since 12th to the 18th century Dubrovnik was constantly target of Serbian settlers from eastern Herzegovina, because of that Dubrovnik is eastern Herzegovinian speaking. There is no difference in speech of Dubrovčani and Serbs from Trebinje except some Montenegrin influence in Dubrovnik and some words of Romance origin.

There was no any Hungarian-Croatian kingdom, existed only kingdom of Hungary. In 1102 Hungarians conquered Croatia and deleted Croatia from political map of Europe, in the next several centuries Croatia was just province of Hungary.
Croatia didn't existed as independent state from 1102 to the 1991. Nazi puppet NDH 1941-45 was the closest to independence in the long period of 889 years without Croatia.

For Catholic Bokelji. Most of them originated from wider Cetinje area, from mountains above Boka. Their ancestors for centuries migrated from mountains to the Bay of Kotor and converted in Catholicism living in cities of Boka (not all converted, some stayed Orthodox).

[Varda]

Nobody cares for your fairy tales, even Hungarians are genetically closer to southern Croats than Montenegroes.

Distance to: Croat_South

1.86737784 Bosniak
1.96114762 Serb_Bosnia
2.44583319 Croat_West
2.80556590 Serb_Croatia
2.89446023 Croat
3.01519485 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.36249907 Serb_Serbia_West
3.55659950 Moldova_Centre
3.63771907 Croat_East
3.66245819 Moldova_average
3.70896212 Serb
4.00857830 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.01891776 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.42068999 Csángó-Ceangău
4.43134291 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.45149413 Moldova_North
4.52295258 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.71842135 Romania_Maramures
4.79043839 Hungarian_Alföld
5.35765807 Serb_Herzegovina
5.68022887 Hungarian
5.81731897 Serb_Serbia_South
6.02959368 Croat_North
6.53427884 Romania_Crisana
6.60490727 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.30727035 Hungarian_North
7.31918711 Montenegrin
7.34113070 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.35920512 Slovenian
7.46886203 Romania_Transylvania

These genetic clusters aren't evidence for non-existence of Montenegrin influence in Dalmatian and southern Croatians in general. Btw Montenegrin cluster is mostly based on Brđani and Podgoričani.
I would like to see results from Old Montenegro. I am sure they would be closer to southern Croatians than this Montenegrin cluster. As i said Montenegrin element among Croatians south of Metković is huge. In some degree exist in Croatians from rest of Dalmatia, Herzegovina, Bosnia etc.

[Jana]

It's anachronism created by some Croatian historians to justify presence of Dubrovnik in modern Croatia.

No it's not retard. He said Dubrovnik is southernmost city of Croatian Kingdom, nothing more and nothing less, and that was in medieval.
Deal with it and move on.

You Servs were raped and enslaved by Turks, and your country deleted from map of Europe, while Croats kept their crown, nobility and political insitutions, and that are reasons for your eternal inferiority complexes towards us. King of Hungary was crowned with Croatian Crown and our nobility more indipendant than Hungarian one, he was called King of Croatia here and not King of Hungary, while you were servants of Turks.

And that is why Serbs are so extremely jealous and insecure as you are. I would be too if my culture was so middle eastern and gypsy influenced as yours.

[Jana]

These genetic clusters aren't evidence for non-existence of Montenegrin influence in Dalmatian and southern Croatians in general. Btw Montenegrin cluster is mostly based on Brđani and Podgoričani.
I would like to see results from Old Montenegro. I am sure they would be closer to southern Croatians than this Montenegrin cluster. As i said Montenegrin element among Croatians south of Metković is huge. In some degree exist in Croatians from rest of Dalmatia, Herzegovina, Bosnia etc.

No they wouldn't, they are all the same Montenegrin subhumans. Thank God we aren't related with those ugly and primitive Vlachs.
They are your Serv race, not ours and genetics shows that nicely.

[duty]

Montenegriner are definitly closer to Albanians then to Croats:

Until 150 years ago, Serbia and Montenegro were purely Islamic countries.
In Belgrade, Muslims used to represent the majority population. According to the Turkish travel writer Evliya lijeelebi, at the time when he was in Belgrade in 1660, the city had about 98,000 inhabitants, of whom 77,000 were Muslims. There were as many as 273 Islamic places of worship, mosques and masjids in Belgrade at that time. The largest and most beautiful was considered to be the Batal Mosque, on the site of today's Federal Assembly, which travel writers compared to the Hagia Sophia. , nakshibendi, rifaija, sadija, sunbulija, shabanija, shazilija and ushakija. During the wars with Austria and after the Austrians twice annexed Belgrade to the Habsburg Monarchy, the number of mosques was reduced to about 30. In the First Serbian Uprising, many Belgrade mosques were destroyed, and the remaining ones were turned into grocery stores, some holding pigs. , one was converted into an Orthodox church, and some were designated for Turkish women to live in. Mosques were demolished in other cities that were part of the Principality of Serbia. Thus, 34 mosques were demolished in Užice, 24 in Smederevo, etc. In 1836, the Serbian authorities listed the mosques in Belgrade, and there were 16 mosques on that list. In 1867, with the eviction of "Bosniaks" from Belgrade, the end of Belgrade's mosques began. According to Felix Kanic, "sometimes mines would accidentally explode at night, destroying mosques that interfered with regulation." In time, all the remaining Belgrade mosques were demolished, except for one, the Bajrakli mosque in Dorcol. Islam appeared in the area of ​​today's Vojvodina in the 16th century, when these areas became part of the Ottoman Empire. Srijem was part of it from 1526 (including the period of the vassal Srijem duchy from 1527 to 1530), while Bačka and Banat came under direct Ottoman rule somewhat later. Bačka 1541-1545, and Banat 1552-1556. years. Banat was conquered on behalf of the Ottoman Empire by the Grand Vizier Mehmed-pasha Sokolović, and in his army at that time there were 8,000 janissaries and 100,000 akindžija, including 20,000 Serbs.

During the Ottoman rule in the Balkans and the Pannonian Plain, a large number of Serbs converted to Islam, which was a condition for progress in the civil service, and some Islamized Serbs also held high administrative positions. Beg Malković was the first Ottoman governor of Beckerek (Zrenjanin), and Hasan-pasha Predojević ruled the Szeged Sandžak in 1592.

During the Ottoman rule, villages in present-day Vojvodina were inhabited by Serbs, while the cities were inhabited by ethnically and religiously mixed populations, which included Muslims (Turks, Islamized Serbs, Arabs), Serbs, Roma, Greeks, Cincars, Jews, etc. Mosques could be seen in all settlements of Vojvodina, and in major cities there were government headquarters buildings, bathrooms, Turkish schools and other public institutions, while in the main street (čaršija) there were main trade and craft workshops.

Mitrovica (today's Srijemska Mitrovica) was an important Islamic settlement, and according to data from 1572, there were 598 Islamic and 18 Christian homes in it. At that time, there were 17 mosques and no Christian churches in Mitrovica. Beckerek (today's Zrenjanin) was then one of the most important settlements in Banat, and due to the merits that the local Beckerek Serbs did to him during the conquest of Banat, Mehmed-pasha Sokolović turned this city into his endowment (vakuf), and freed its inhabitants from all military charges. The city was divided into two mahalas, Islamic and Orthodox. In the city of Sombor, there were 14 Islamic places of worship in the Ottoman era, five of which were mosques, and the rest were mahal masjids. Varadin (today's Petrovaradin) had a majority Islamic population in the Ottoman era. In the suburbs of the fortress with about 200 houses was the Sulejman-khan mosque, and there were two smaller ones, Haji-Ibrahim's and Hussein's. In addition to the two Islamic mahalas, the city also included a Christian quarter with 35 Orthodox houses. Vrsac was predominantly Islamic, and Titel a mixed Islamic and Orthodox city. The Ottoman Empire was divided into provinces (pashaluks), which were divided into smaller administrative units (sanjaks). On the territory of Banat there was an Ottoman province called Timisoara Pashaluk, while on the territory of Srijem and Backa there were Srijem Sandzak and Szeged Sandzak. Both sandžaks were initially part of the Buda pashaluq, and the Szeged sandžak was later included in the Jegar pashaluq.

After the Austrian conquest of Vojvodina in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, almost the entire Islamic population emigrated from this area, and some of them subsequently settled in Bosnia and Herzegovina. They mostly found refuge in its northern parts and the valley of the river Bosna, where they were known as "Unđurovci" (refugees from Hungary). Their more significant settlements had urias (general

[Varda]

No it's not retard. He said Dubrovnik is southernmost city of Croatian Kingdom, nothing more and nothing less, and that was in medieval.
Deal with it and move on.

You Servs were raped and enslaved by Turks, and your country deleted from map of Europe, while Croats kept their crown, nobility and political insitutions, and that are reasons for your eternal inferiority complexes towards us. King of Hungary was crowned with Croatian Crown and our nobility more indipendant than Hungarian one, he was called King of Croatia here and not King of Hungary, while you were servants of Turks.

And that is why Serbs are so extremely jealous and insecure as you are. I would be too if my culture was so middle eastern and gypsy influenced as yours.

Since 1102 Croatia was integral part of Hungary.
Croatian noble families were subjects of Hungarians kings. When Croatian nobility was disobedient towards the Hungarian kings they were severely punished. Like in summer 1322 when Hungarian king Charles I came to Skradin with 20 000 soldiers and captured Mladen Šubić and took him to Hungary where his was prisoner 20 years until his death. Or when Hungarian king Sigismund in 1397 on sabor in Križevci massacred several most important Croatian noblemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sabor_of_Križevci

Southeast Europe in late 12th and early 13th century, there was no Croatia here :no:
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/bosna-jpg.936975/


Glory to Gazi Hasan paša Predojević islamized Serb who conquered Bihać and who took away in slavery many Croatian rats! :thumb001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telli_Hasan_Pasha

[Varda]

Montenegriner are definitly closer to Albanians then to Croats:

Until 150 years ago, Serbia and Montenegro were purely Islamic countries.
In Belgrade, Muslims used to represent the majority population. According to the Turkish travel writer Evliya lijeelebi, at the time when he was in Belgrade in 1660, the city had about 98,000 inhabitants, of whom 77,000 were Muslims. There were as many as 273 Islamic places of worship, mosques and masjids in Belgrade at that time. The largest and most beautiful was considered to be the Batal Mosque, on the site of today's Federal Assembly, which travel writers compared to the Hagia Sophia. , nakshibendi, rifaija, sadija, sunbulija, shabanija, shazilija and ushakija. During the wars with Austria and after the Austrians twice annexed Belgrade to the Habsburg Monarchy, the number of mosques was reduced to about 30. In the First Serbian Uprising, many Belgrade mosques were destroyed, and the remaining ones were turned into grocery stores, some holding pigs. , one was converted into an Orthodox church, and some were designated for Turkish women to live in. Mosques were demolished in other cities that were part of the Principality of Serbia. Thus, 34 mosques were demolished in Užice, 24 in Smederevo, etc. In 1836, the Serbian authorities listed the mosques in Belgrade, and there were 16 mosques on that list. In 1867, with the eviction of "Bosniaks" from Belgrade, the end of Belgrade's mosques began. According to Felix Kanic, "sometimes mines would accidentally explode at night, destroying mosques that interfered with regulation." In time, all the remaining Belgrade mosques were demolished, except for one, the Bajrakli mosque in Dorcol. Islam appeared in the area of ​​today's Vojvodina in the 16th century, when these areas became part of the Ottoman Empire. Srijem was part of it from 1526 (including the period of the vassal Srijem duchy from 1527 to 1530), while Bačka and Banat came under direct Ottoman rule somewhat later. Bačka 1541-1545, and Banat 1552-1556. years. Banat was conquered on behalf of the Ottoman Empire by the Grand Vizier Mehmed-pasha Sokolović, and in his army at that time there were 8,000 janissaries and 100,000 akindžija, including 20,000 Serbs.

During the Ottoman rule in the Balkans and the Pannonian Plain, a large number of Serbs converted to Islam, which was a condition for progress in the civil service, and some Islamized Serbs also held high administrative positions. Beg Malković was the first Ottoman governor of Beckerek (Zrenjanin), and Hasan-pasha Predojević ruled the Szeged Sandžak in 1592.

During the Ottoman rule, villages in present-day Vojvodina were inhabited by Serbs, while the cities were inhabited by ethnically and religiously mixed populations, which included Muslims (Turks, Islamized Serbs, Arabs), Serbs, Roma, Greeks, Cincars, Jews, etc. Mosques could be seen in all settlements of Vojvodina, and in major cities there were government headquarters buildings, bathrooms, Turkish schools and other public institutions, while in the main street (čaršija) there were main trade and craft workshops.

Mitrovica (today's Srijemska Mitrovica) was an important Islamic settlement, and according to data from 1572, there were 598 Islamic and 18 Christian homes in it. At that time, there were 17 mosques and no Christian churches in Mitrovica. Beckerek (today's Zrenjanin) was then one of the most important settlements in Banat, and due to the merits that the local Beckerek Serbs did to him during the conquest of Banat, Mehmed-pasha Sokolović turned this city into his endowment (vakuf), and freed its inhabitants from all military charges. The city was divided into two mahalas, Islamic and Orthodox. In the city of Sombor, there were 14 Islamic places of worship in the Ottoman era, five of which were mosques, and the rest were mahal masjids. Varadin (today's Petrovaradin) had a majority Islamic population in the Ottoman era. In the suburbs of the fortress with about 200 houses was the Sulejman-khan mosque, and there were two smaller ones, Haji-Ibrahim's and Hussein's. In addition to the two Islamic mahalas, the city also included a Christian quarter with 35 Orthodox houses. Vrsac was predominantly Islamic, and Titel a mixed Islamic and Orthodox city. The Ottoman Empire was divided into provinces (pashaluks), which were divided into smaller administrative units (sanjaks). On the territory of Banat there was an Ottoman province called Timisoara Pashaluk, while on the territory of Srijem and Backa there were Srijem Sandzak and Szeged Sandzak. Both sandžaks were initially part of the Buda pashaluq, and the Szeged sandžak was later included in the Jegar pashaluq.

After the Austrian conquest of Vojvodina in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, almost the entire Islamic population emigrated from this area, and some of them subsequently settled in Bosnia and Herzegovina. They mostly found refuge in its northern parts and the valley of the river Bosna, where they were known as "Unđurovci" (refugees from Hungary). Their more significant settlements had urias (general

On the territory of Revolutionary Serbia before uprising 1804 Muslims were about 1/4 of population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Serbia
Muslims lived only in kasabe (some kind of cities), and Orthodox Serbs lived in villages.

In Ottoman time Vojvodina had Serbian Orthodox majority. Muslims were mostly islamized Serbs and they were less numerous than Orthodox Serbs. In late 17th and early 18th century Muslims are expelled from Vojvodina, and Austrian authorities colonized Germans, Hungarians, Slovaks, Rusyns, and even French and Catalans in Vojvodina during the 18th century. Regardless of that Serbs stayed over 50% in Vojvodina during the whole 18th and in first half of 19th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Vojvodina#1787

[duty]

Pradojevic was killed by Croats in Sisak 1593, so again Serbian rats failed to conquer Croatia even with the help of there Turkish masters. LOL
Unlike Croats, Serbs were to afraid to fight the Turks so they became turkish servants voluntary, and sell there women to Turkish Harems voluntary.

After the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, Olivera was sent to the harem of Sultan Bayezid I where she remained for the next 12 years. She became one of his four wives, in addition to his concubines, and despite her marriage, she apparently never converted to Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivera_Despina

[duty]

Pradojevic was killed by Croats in Sisak 1593, so again Serbian rats failed to conquer Croatia even with the help of there Turkish masters. LOL
Unlike Croats, Serbs (no matter if Christian or Muslims) were to afraid to fight the Turks so they became turkish servants voluntary, and sell there women to Turkish Harems voluntary.

After the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, Olivera was sent to the harem of Sultan Bayezid I where she remained for the next 12 years. She became one of his four wives, in addition to his concubines, and despite her marriage, she apparently never converted to Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivera_Despina

[Varda]

Pradojevic was killed by Croats in Sisak 1593, so again Serbian rats failed to conquer Croatia even with the help of there Turkish masters. LOL
Unlike Croats, Serbs were to afraid to fight the Turks so they became turkish servants voluntary, and sell there women to Turkish Harems voluntary.

After the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, Olivera was sent to the harem of Sultan Bayezid I where she remained for the next 12 years. She became one of his four wives, in addition to his concubines, and despite her marriage, she apparently never converted to Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivera_Despina

Shiptar speak about serving the Turks. :picard1: Majority of Shiptars converted on Islam in Ottoman time and Muslims Shiptars today are holders of Shiptar nation. Majority of Serbs stayed Christians. Islamized Serbs moved to Turkey long time ago and descendants of those who stayed declared themselves as Bosniaks today, because of that Muslim Serbs doesn't exist today.

[Varda]

No they wouldn't, they are all the same Montenegrin subhumans. Thank God we aren't related with those ugly and primitive Vlachs.
They are your Serv race, not ours and genetics shows that nicely.

Boka Catholics are in vast majority descendants of Montenegrins from Lovćen and Cetinje who migrated to the Boka in Venetian time and converted on Catholicism.
Boka Catholics or so called Boka Croatians cluster with Montenegrins, not with Croatians from Croatia.

You say Vlachs and Montenegrins are primitive subhumans. It's proof how your soul is dirty. Latin speaking Vlachs are native people of Balkan including Croatia and especially your beloved Dalmatia. Social vlachs from Herzegovina from the late middle age were ethnic Serbs and they are your ancestors!

[Varda]

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Montenegrin part of Dalmatia (second) https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatinci

[duty]

Shiptar speak about serving the Turks. :picard1: Majority of Shiptars converted on Islam in Ottoman time and Muslims Shiptars today are holders of Shiptar nation.

Im Croatian LOL



Majority of Serbs stayed Christians.
Thats why your Serbian-Orthodox church was priviliged because you were such loyal slaves all the time. Even Bosniaks werent as loyal as you were.
The Turks allowed you to sell to Croatia and Bosnia and spread your Orthodox Church



Islamized Serbs moved to Turkey long time ago and descendants of those who stayed declared themselves as Bosniaks today, because of that Muslim Serbs doesn't exist today.
Most of "Serbs" today are of Turkish, Albanian, Kurd, Arab, Chechen, Vlah, Roma etc. ancestry. Because before 150 years ago they were 95% population in Serbia and Montenegro and they have not vanished into thin air. Thats why most Serbs are not white.

[ixulescu]

I wonder which one is it

Daca ti-ai pus steag romanesc vorbesti macar romaneste?

[Varda]

Im Croatian LOL



Thats why your Serbian-Orthodox church was priviliged because you were such loyal slaves all the time. Even Bosniaks werent as loyal as you were.
The Turks allowed you to sell to Croatia and Bosnia and spread your Orthodox Church



Most of "Serbs" today are of Turkish, Albanian, Kurd, Arab, Chechen, Vlah, Roma etc. ancestry. Because before 150 years ago they were 95% population in Serbia and Montenegro and they have not vanished into thin air. Thats why most Serbs are not white.

Serbs don't cluster genetically with that folks.

https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/skxga3p-png.790396/

[Varda]

Im Croatian LOL

No, you are not. You are Shiptar troll Dema who know Serbian language.
Dema you nigga, your ancestors in 19th century are recorded in Žegra as "Arnautaši" (albanized Serbs).

[Dušan]

No, you are not. You are Shiptar troll Dema who know Serbian language.
Dema you nigga, your ancestors in 19th century are recorded in Žegra as "Arnautaši" (albanized Serbs).

He is either Albo, CroRat or Muslim.

[Varda]

South Croatians on average look more like Montenegrins than like northern Croatians, deal with it! And fuck off with genetic clusters!

[Vrazijadivizija]

Shiptar speak about serving the Turks. :picard1: Majority of Shiptars converted on Islam in Ottoman time and Muslims Shiptars today are holders of Shiptar nation. Majority of Serbs stayed Christians. Islamized Serbs moved to Turkey long time ago and descendants of those who stayed declared themselves as Bosniaks today, because of that Muslim Serbs doesn't exist today.

He told you the truth about ur ancestry and ur country Varda and yet you cry here along with Dušan who got shagged by Bosniaks :( dont cry now on Youtube Thompson songs or in forum hrr :( be good turkey subby vardy and accepts the truth that you dont like :rofl:

[Varda]

He told you the truth about ur ancestry and ur country Varda and yet you cry here along with Dušan who got shagged by Bosniaks :( dont cry now on Youtube Thompson songs or in forum hrr :( be good turkey subby vardy and accepts the truth that you dont like :rofl:

Stearsolina and you are fake Croatians with many complexes. Robocop is real Croatian.

[Vrazijadivizija]

Stearsolina and you are fake Croatians with many complexes. Robocop is real Croatian.

Complex? u go on youtube to argue on Croatian songs :D man you re made for laughing at and i am really enjoying it..if there is no crying here then its on forum if not on forum then on youtube..vardy vardy vardy :D there is no thread for you except where you can cry along with ur Duški..everyone is laughing at yall. :D

[Jana]

Boka Catholics are in vast majority descendants of Montenegrins from Lovćen and Cetinje who migrated to the Boka in Venetian time and converted on Catholicism.
Boka Catholics or so called Boka Croatians cluster with Montenegrins, not with Croatians from Croatia.

You say Vlachs and Montenegrins are primitive subhumans. It's proof how your soul is dirty. Latin speaking Vlachs are native people of Balkan including Croatia and especially your beloved Dalmatia. Social vlachs from Herzegovina from the late middle age were ethnic Serbs and they are your ancestors!

Montenegroes are the worst, they are Četnik nest. I can't believe this Narco state was admitted to NATO.

[duty]

Serbs don't cluster genetically with that folks.

https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/skxga3p-png.790396/

Of course you do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Serbs

Around 10% J-Genes (Middle Eastern) and 20% E1b1b genes (North African)

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[Jana]

Btw, I'm proud of my Paleo Balkan ancestry. Montenegrins suck because they are such backward Talibans, still stuck in medieval.
And all orthodox Montenegrins have Catholic ancestors, except those in the very north which was part of Raška.

Deal with it.

[Jana]

Stearsolina and you are fake Croatians with many complexes. Robocop is real Croatian.

He's real Croatian because he's swarthy? He's quater Italian.
Rael Croats were light like Vrazijadivizija and me.

[duty]

No, you are not. You are Shiptar troll Dema who know Serbian language.
Dema you nigga, your ancestors in 19th century are recorded in Žegra as "Arnautaši" (albanized Serbs).

Serbs dont exist its a Fake-Nation of slavized Albanians, Gypsys, Turks, Arabs, Chechens, Africans etc. created in the 19. cenutry

[Varda]

Of course you do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Serbs

Around 10% J-Genes (Middle Eastern) and 20% E1b1b genes (North African)

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E-V13 is present in whole Europe for thousands of years, same goes for J branches which exist among Serbs https://www.yfull.com/tree/e-v13/

Except you are troll you are also retarded motherfucker.
Read about genetic of Serbs idiot https://www.poreklo.rs/2019/06/12/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ethnic-serbs/

[Jana]

xD

lol

[CommonSense]

Yes, but he looks completely Montenegrin.

He inherited most of his facial features from his Croatian mother:

https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2012/10/29/17/224545_djokovic-porodica_ls.jpg

[Varda]

He's real Croatian because he's swarthy? He's quater Italian.
Rael Croats were light like Vrazijadivizija and me.

His 3/4 except Italian grandma are probably predominantly real Croatian. He said his ancestors were chakavian speakers.

He claim origin from Croatian medieval noble family Šubić (he say his surname is Šubić) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/hrvati-i-srbi-genetski-isti-narod-ili-ne-video.924600/page-21#post-42604042

[duty]

E-V13 is present in whole Europe for thousands of years, same goes for J branches which exist among Serbs https://www.yfull.com/tree/e-v13/

E1b1b is present mostly in North Africa and in Serbia 20% :lol00002:

[Varda]

E1b1b is present mostly in North Africa and in Serbia 20% :lol00002:

E-V13 is not same as E1b1b, and E-V13 is 15% in Serbia (10% in Croatia, 24% in Bulgaria, 8% in Austria, 21% in Greece, 28% in Albania, 48% in Kosovo Albanians etc).

[Jana]

E-V13 is not same as E1b1b, and E-V13 is 15% in Serbia (10% in Croatia, 24% in Bulgaria, 8% in Austria, 21% in Greece, 28% in Albania, 48% in Kosovo Albanians etc).

Nope, difference between E-V13 in Serbia and Croatia is more than 5%. You're just manipulating data in Serbian DNA project to lower Albanian like lineages.

[Varda]

Nope, difference between E-V13 in Serbia and Croatia is more than 5%. You're just manipulating data in Serbian DNA project to lower Albanian like lineages.

On the sample of 2086 E-V13 is 15.2% in ethnic Serbs
https://www.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/YDNA-EthnicSerbs-za-Poreklo-1.png


I don't know for ethnic Croatians and i don't give a damn.

[Jana]

On the sample of 2086 E-V13 is 15.2% in ethnic Serbs
https://www.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/YDNA-EthnicSerbs-za-Poreklo-1.png


I don't know for ethnic Croatians and i don't give a damn.

Your statistics is worthless because it's heavily biased in favor of west of Drina Serbs (who are minority of Serbs). Unbiased reasearches found 20% E-V13 in Serbia.
But I know how much obsessed you are with R1a and I2a lineages.

Also I heard Serbs with "undesireable" haaplogroups (like H) withdrew their data from statistics.

[duty]

E-V13 is not same as E1b1b, and E-V13 is 15% in Serbia (10% in Croatia, 24% in Bulgaria, 8% in Austria, 21% in Greece, 28% in Albania, 48% in Kosovo Albanians etc).

:coffee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:E1b1b.png

[Jana]

For example, Miloš friend tested H and he wrote here he doesn't know how to tell him. I'm sure this friend wasn't included in Serbian DNA projects statistics.

[Varda]

Your statistics is worthless because it's heavily biased in favor of west of Drina Serbs (who are minority of Serbs). Unbiased reasearches found 20% E-V13 in Serbia.
But I know how much obsessed you are with R1a and I2a lineages.

Also I heard Serbs with "undesierable" haaplogroups withdrew their data from statistics.

You forgot Montenegrin Serbs, they are included in that statistic and they are the richest in E-V13 of all Serbs. Number of tested Serbs from Montenegro on project is not small.

You play game of retarded troll duty. I thought you are smarter and more serious.

[Jana]

You forgot Montenegrin Serbs, they are included in that statistic and they are the richest in E-V13 of all Serbs. Number of tested Serbs from Montenegro on project is not small.

You play game of retarded troll duty. I thought you are smarter and more serious.

Yes, especially after you used this thread to start another troll charade.

[CommonSense]

He is either Albo, CroRat or Muslim.

He's a Germanic-wannabe Bosniak.

https://i.ibb.co/Tc45ZkS/image.png

[CommonSense]

E1b1b is present mostly in North Africa and in Serbia 20% :lol00002:

Bošnjaci imaju 12%, što je svega 4% manje nego kod Srba.

https://scontent.fbeg5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197590094_4073599789428149_8940655167078727622_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kllXfWbGOLEAX8pFEhP&_nc_ht=scontent.fbeg5-1.fna&oh=68339dad92d9c90b3bb6b6e301c549a7&oe=60C81869

[Dušan]

He's a Germanic-wannabe Bosniak.

https://i.ibb.co/Tc45ZkS/image.png



Yeah, Bosnian Muslim who live in Germany. :nod:

Say thanks to VRS that you now live in Germany, duty, hehehehe. ;)

[duty]

You play game of retarded troll duty. I thought you are smarter and more serious.

You just had no arguments thats the problem.

[Jana]

He's maybe Croat of Islamic faith like Zlatko Hasanbegović :thumbsup:

[duty]

Bošnjaci imaju 12%, što je svega 4% manje nego kod Srba.

https://scontent.fbeg5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197590094_4073599789428149_8940655167078727622_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kllXfWbGOLEAX8pFEhP&_nc_ht=scontent.fbeg5-1.fna&oh=68339dad92d9c90b3bb6b6e301c549a7&oe=60C81869

Bosnjaci i Hrvati imaju 9% a vlasi 17%

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[duty]

Yeah, Bosnian Muslim who live in Germany. :nod:

Say thanks to VRS that you now live in Germany, duty, hehehehe. ;)

I was born and raised in Germany, and here Bosniaks are employing Serbs to clean there toilets :rofl:

[Varda]

Bošnjaci imaju 12%, što je svega 4% manje nego kod Srba.

https://scontent.fbeg5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197590094_4073599789428149_8940655167078727622_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kllXfWbGOLEAX8pFEhP&_nc_ht=scontent.fbeg5-1.fna&oh=68339dad92d9c90b3bb6b6e301c549a7&oe=60C81869

To su nedavno objavili na bošnjačkom dnk projektu.

Među Bošnjacima iz Sandžaka E-V13 je najjača haplogrupa sa 42.4%, Bošnjaci iz istočne Hercegovine imaju 21.7% E-V13, a Bošnjaci iz Gornjeg Podrinja 16.3%. Postavili su statistike za još neke regije za Bošnjake na fejsu bošnjačkog dnk projekta.
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/197527585_4074270879361040_4002358936981179959_n-jpg.943840/

[CommonSense]

Bosnjaci i Hrvati imaju 9% a vlasi 17%

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Ma da, eupedija bez izvora je sigurno verodostojnija od 677 uzoraka Bošnjačkog DNK projekta i 3628 uzoraka Srpskog DNK Projekata. Nije ni čudo što za vas važi stereotip da ste glupi.

[Ayetooey]

Nothing wrong with being e-v13. Paleo balkan lineage and Hamitic brothers of us I folk.

[CommonSense]

For example, Miloš friend tested H and he wrote here he doesn't know how to tell him. I'm sure this friend wasn't included in Serbian DNA projects statistics.

He hasn't been included yet because his sample is part of a mass testing of Kosovo Serbs which will be published in an academic study. Once that is completed all those results will be made public.

[duty]

Ma da, eupedija bez izvora je sigurno verodostojnija od 677 uzoraka Bošnjačkog DNK projekta i 3628 uzoraka Srpskog DNK Projekata. Nije ni čudo što za vas važi stereotip da ste glupi.

Ovo ti nije genetika Bosnjaka nego vec cijele Bosne i Hercegovine ukupno.

https://scontent.fbeg5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197590094_4073599789428149_8940655167078727622_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kllXfWbGOLEAX8pFEhP&_nc_ht=scontent.fbeg5-1.fna&oh=68339dad92d9c90b3bb6b6e301c549a7&oe=60C81869[/QUOTE]

Gdje su Rezultati od samih Bosnjaka, Bosanskih Hrvata i Bosanskih Srba kao sto ima u Eupediu?

[Varda]

He hasn't been included yet because his sample is part of a mass testing of Kosovo Serbs which will be published in an academic study. Once that is completed all those results will be made public.

Same goes for over 800 Herzegovinian Serbs who are tested for free few years ago via Serbian dna project. Their results will be published soon in one book as part of scientific study.

Publicly visible results of Herzegovinian Serbs for now are only 122 individually tested who were not part of hercegovački dnk poduhvat as those +800.

[CommonSense]

Ovo ti nije genetika Bosnjaka nego vec cijele Bosne i Hercegovine ukupno.

https://scontent.fbeg5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/197590094_4073599789428149_8940655167078727622_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kllXfWbGOLEAX8pFEhP&_nc_ht=scontent.fbeg5-1.fna&oh=68339dad92d9c90b3bb6b6e301c549a7&oe=60C81869

Gdje su Rezultati od samih Bosnjaka, Bosanskih Hrvata i Bosanskih Srba kao sto ima u Eupediu?

Lepo ti je rekao Varda da je objavljeno u fb grupi Bošnjačkog DNK projekta (https://www.facebook.com/groups/bosnjackiDNK/permalink/2244342635701559/), ali ti opet teraš po svome. Sva sreća pa nisi još i uzeo igeneu da navodiš.

[Varda]

...

[Dušan]

I was born and raised in Germany, and here Bosniaks are employing Serbs to clean there toilets :rofl:


Now in Drina valley, Serbs live very happy,
They do not see Muslim hat and dress anymore. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Ds2XM00Wc

[duty]

Now in Drina valley, Serbs live very happy,
They do not see Muslim hat and dress anymore. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Ds2XM00Wc

The main thing is that there are no Serbs in Croatia anymore, dear "Krajina-Serb" ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2dS3XKJOqU

[Dušan]

Listen the song:

Now in area between Serbia and our Krajina ,
there are no Croats and Muslims any more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Ds2XM00Wc

[Vrazijadivizija]

Varda and Duški after presented with real facts :rotfl2
https://scontent.fzag3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/191098575_934172834030151_5121601005253880698_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=wZZEFRFEBy4AX8qPUIK&_nc_ht=scontent.fzag3-1.fna&oh=ce0ad7b223473c94f3c1514cd885669d&oe=60C85941

[duty]

Listen the song:

Now in area between Serbia and our Krajina ,
there are no Croats and Muslims any more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Ds2XM00Wc

Listen to this song:
Zapalit cu dva tri srpska staba, da ja nisam dolazio dzaba
Where is your RSK now?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2dS3XKJOqU

[Jana]

Nothing wrong with being e-v13. Paleo balkan lineage and Hamitic brothers of us I folk.

Varda dislikes it because Albanians are E-V13 rich.

[Varda]

Varda and Duški after presented with real facts :rotfl2
https://scontent.fzag3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/191098575_934172834030151_5121601005253880698_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=wZZEFRFEBy4AX8qPUIK&_nc_ht=scontent.fzag3-1.fna&oh=ce0ad7b223473c94f3c1514cd885669d&oe=60C85941

If you love Bosniaks so much take some of them in your house.

[Jana]

He hasn't been included yet because his sample is part of a mass testing of Kosovo Serbs which will be published in an academic study. Once that is completed all those results will be made public.

Devil's Advocate if I'm not mistaken wrote some people withdrew their results because they got results that are not so popular. Is this true?
In Croatian sample testing nobody hide north Croatia scored 5% H ydna.

[Jana]

Rv12al was also racist against some haplogroups, for example she called R1b-L23 Turkish-Anatolian haplogroup and claimed I2-din S is Vlach lineage.
Also she tried to prove Serbs are 30% R1a, I guess for her that was real ubermensch haplogroup lol

[Varda]

Varda dislikes it because Albanians are E-V13 rich.

Wrong.
Vasojević clan is E-V13 and the are and always were one of the biggest Serbs.
Serbian E-V13 have nothing to do with Albanian one.

[Jana]

Wrong.
Vasojević clan is E-V13 and the are and always were one of the biggest Serbs.
Serbian E-V13 have nothing to do with Albanian one.

I like E-V13, maybe my father's mother side is E-V13 (there are some indicions but it's not sure)

[Varda]

Rv12al was also racist against some haplogroups, for example she called R1b-L23 Turkish-Anatolian haplogroup and claimed I2-din is Vlach lineage.
Also she tried to prove Serbs are 30% R1a, I guess for her that was real ubermensch haplogroup lol

She is psycho indeed.
For her I2a-Din is Vlach haplo. She claim Serbian dna project promote Vlach I2a, and it's against Serbian-Slavic R1a.

[CommonSense]

Devil's Advocate if I'm not mistaken wrote some people withdrew their results because they got results that are not so popular. Is this true?
In Croatian sample testing nobody hide north Croatia scored 5% H ydna.

I know you can opt for your results not be shown publically, in regular conditions. Not sure how common that is honestly. But this will be part of an oficial study, so I assume permission has been given in advance.

[Jana]

She Indeed was psycho. For her I2a-Din is Vlach haplo, and she claim Serbian dna project promote Vlach I2a and it's against Serbian-Slavic R1a.

Actually she claimed only PH908 is Vlach because it peaks in Bosniaks and Herzegovina Croats, whom she pathologicaly hates. She actually claimed Din North is Slavic despite Aromanians, Greeks and Romanians have more Dinaric North than PH908. Both are Slavic anyway.

[Ayetooey]

Varda dislikes it because Albanians are E-V13 rich.

I’ve trolled ev13 in the past but it would be my third y dna preference wise, after I2 and N2. Ev13 is very normal for Serbs it’s j2b2 and the balkan clade of R1b which are a bit more uncommon and a bit more distinctly Albo in my mind.
But maybe there is Serb clusters of these y DNA’s also, I am no expert.

[Dušan]

I’ve trolled ev13 in the past but it would be my third y dna preference wise, after I2 and N2. Ev13 is very normal for Serbs it’s j2b2 and the balkan clade of R1b which are a bit more uncommon and a bit more distinctly Albo in my mind.
But maybe there is Serb clusters of these y DNA’s also, I am no expert.

J2b-M205 is very cool exclusively Serb haplogroup, from Kriči tribe.
If I am not I2a1b-PH908, I would like I am J2b-M205.

[Ayetooey]

J2b-M205 is very cool exclusively Serb haplogroup, from Kriči tribe.
If I am not I2a1b-PH908, I would like I am J2b-M205.

Yeah that is J2b1 I forgot about it. I believe the theory is it came from a Roman batallion from the Near East assimilated by early Serbs, hence why it is spread among all Serbs. It is very unique indeed.

[Jana]

It exists among Croats too, Romanians etc. Albanian user Dema has that haplogroup.

[Dušan]

Yeah that is J2b1 I forgot about it. I believe the theory is it came from a Roman batallion from the Near East assimilated by early Serbs, hence why it is spread among all Serbs. It is very unique indeed.

Only Serbs and Greek Cypriots. :)

https://i.imgur.com/mCdBZFk.png

[Jana]

There is a Croatian user from Trogir who is J2b-M205 and his ancestry is entirely-pre Ottoman Dalmatian. It entered Balkans in some Med port obviously, Kriči aren't a source since they are mountain tribe, it came to them via sea.

[Ford]

He's maybe Croat of Islamic faith like Zlatko Hasanbegović :thumbsup:

I wonder what Insuperable thinks of Islamic Croats :icon_lol:

[Varda]

There is a Croatian user from Trogir who is J2b-M205 and his ancestry is entirely-pre Ottoman Dalmatian. It entered Balkans in some Med port obviously, Kriči aren't a source since they are mountain tribe, it came to them via sea.

Not all J2b-M205 in western Balkan came from Kriči, not even among Serbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči

[Jana]

I wonder what Insuperable thinks of Islamic Croats :icon_lol:

Insuperable has much more dislike for Bosniaks than for Serbs.

[Jana]

Not all J2b-M205 in western Balkan came from Kriči, not even among Serbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči

That makes sense. And that guy I mentioned is actually from Kaštela, not Trogir.

[Ford]

Insuperable has much more dislike for Bosniaks than for Serbs.

I know, it was a rhetoric question ;)

[Varda]

Insuperable has much more dislike for Bosniaks than for Serbs.

As all Škutors.

Many Croatians from Posavina and central Bosnia accuse Škutors for Croatian-Bosniak war. They say they were in good relations with Bosniaks and together fight against Serbs, but Škutors attacked Bosniaks and on that way started war between Bosniaks and Croatians. Bosniaks defeated Croatians in central Bosnia and expelled 10 000 of them who were refugees in Republika Srpska some period before they came to Croatia.

[Dick]

I’ve trolled ev13 in the past but it would be my third y dna preference wise, after I2 and N2. Ev13 is very normal for Serbs it’s j2b2 and the balkan clade of R1b which are a bit more uncommon and a bit more distinctly Albo in my mind.
But maybe there is Serb clusters of these y DNA’s also, I am no expert.

There must be a way to get reparations from the EU since we have scientific proof of indigenous status or at least claim POC status so soccer players can take the knee for us instead. When in Rome... We can buy more Bitcoin with all that cash too. Survive the jive should be pursuing that instead of chasing jewelry thieves in Sweden.

[Ayetooey]

There must be a way to get reparations from the EU since we have scientific proof of indigenous status or at least claim POC status so soccer players can take the knee for us instead. When in Rome... We can buy more Bitcoin with all that cash too. Survive the jive should be pursuing that instead of chasing jewelry thieves in Sweden.

Time for us to create an Anarcho-Capitalist voluntaryist society on Orkney run by dogecoin and Bitcoin. R1 need not apply.

[Varda]

Since 1102 Croatia was integral part of Hungary.
Croatian noble families were subjects of Hungarians kings. When Croatian nobility was disobedient towards the Hungarian kings they were severely punished. Like in summer 1322 when Hungarian king Charles I came to Skradin with 20 000 soldiers and captured Mladen Šubić and took him to Hungary where his was prisoner 20 years until his death. Or when Hungarian king Sigismund in 1397 on sabor in Križevci massacred several most important Croatian noblemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sabor_of_Križevci

Southeast Europe in late 12th and early 13th century, there was no Croatia here :no:
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/bosna-jpg.936975/


Glory to Gazi Hasan paša Predojević islamized Serb who conquered Bihać and who took away in slavery many Croatian rats! :thumb001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telli_Hasan_Pasha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Bihać_(1592)

[Varda]

It exists among Croats too, Romanians etc. Albanian user Dema has that haplogroup.

Ancestors of Dema are recorded as "Arnautaši" (albanized Serbs) in Kosovo in 19th century.

Dema's family still speak "broken" Serbian and he score high EE for Albanian. xD

[Jana]

Ancestors of Dema are recorded as "Arnautaši" (albanized Serbs) in Kosovo in 19th century.

Dema's family still speak "broken" Serbian and he score high EE for Albanian. xD

Yes, he is likely part Serb.

[duty]

Montenegrins are actually closer to Albanians then to Croats, if we talk about DNK, but also about mentality, look etc. even names. (Veseli = Veselinovic, Djokaj = Djokovic etc.)


Pradojevic was killed by Croats in Sisak 1593, so again Serbian rats failed to conquer Croatia even with the help of there Turkish masters. LOL
Unlike Croats, Serbs were to afraid to fight the Turks so they became turkish servants voluntary, and sell there women to Turkish Harems voluntary.

After the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, Olivera was sent to the harem of Sultan Bayezid I where she remained for the next 12 years. She became one of his four wives, in addition to his concubines, and despite her marriage, she apparently never converted to Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivera_Despina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sisak

[Varda]

Montenegrins are actually closer to Albanians then to Croats, if we talk about DNK, but also about mentality, look etc. even names. (Veseli = Veselinovic, Djokaj = Djokovic etc.)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sisak

References?

[duty]

References?

Dalmatians have more I2 Genetics, while Montenegrins have more E1:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Varda]

...

[Varda]

Montenegrins are actually closer to Albanians then to Croats, if we talk about DNK, but also about mentality, look etc. even names. (Veseli = Veselinovic, Djokaj = Djokovic etc.)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sisak

Surname Veseli among Albanians is of Slavic origin, same as Sokoli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Veselý
In Serbian and other Slavic languages veseo means cheerful, and soko means falcon.

Hasan paša Predojević in modern sense is "Bosniak", because he was islamized Serb and "Bosniak" is umbrella term for islamized Serbs. Former Bosniak user Bosniensis from Bihać worship Hasan paša Predojević and Omer paša Latas https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?12321-Bosniensis

[Varda]

Dalmatians have more I2 Genetics, while Montenegrins have more E1:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Eupedia is not a reliable source. Still I2 is the strongest haplogroup in Montenegrins, and among Albanians it's on the fifth place.

Montenegrins are autosomally closer to Dalmatians and south Croatians in general than to Albanians.

[duty]

Eupedia is not a reliable source. Still I2 is the strongest haplogroup in Montenegrins, and among Albanians it's on the fifth place.

Why not? Because you dont like the results? Montenegrins have 27% E1 compared to 30% I2 that isnt much more.


Montenegrins are autosomally closer to Dalmatians and south Croatians in general than to Albanians.

Not really, the names (dont matter if of slavic origin or not), the mentality, the behaivor. Everything is closer to Albanians (atleast to people from northern Albania).
Only the language is same!

[Varda]

Why not? Because you dont like the results? Montenegrins have 27% E1 compared to 30% I2 that isnt much more.



Not really, the names (dont matter if of slavic origin or not), the mentality, the behaivor. Everything is closer to Albanians (atleast to people from northern Albania).
Only the language is same!

Mentality of Dalmatians is not much different than Montenegrin.
Look at this post of guy who is Croatian and full Dalmatian https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/referendum-o-dubrovniku.925901/page-2#post-42612679

[duty]

Mentality of Dalmatians is not much different than Montenegrin.
Yes except, Dalmatians are much more western, calm and laid-back dont have this tribe and clan-mentality like Montenegrins or Albanians have.


Look at this post of guy who is Croatian and full Dalmatian https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/referendum-o-dubrovniku.925901/page-2#post-42612679

Forum-Krstarica :rofl_002:
BTW I never heard of a dalmatian Mafia but ive heard of Montenegrin and Albanian Mafia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ol5UT9qlXk

[Varda]

Jugoslav Čvarak is 100% Dalmatian you retarded muslim idiot.

Mentality of Dalmatians from hinterland and western Herzegovinians is quite similar as Montenegrin.


https://youtu.be/CpF7yP1AAZU

[duty]

Jugoslav Čvarak is 100% Dalmatian you retarded muslim idiot.

Mentality of Dalmatians from hinterland and western Herzegovinians is quite similar as Montenegrin.


https://youtu.be/CpF7yP1AAZU

Hercegovina, yes a bit (especially the Serbs). But Dalmatian Hinterland (where i am from), definitly no!

https://www.dw.com/hr/crnogorski-kriminalci-se-ubijaju-u-njema%C4%8Dkoj/a-48760887

https://www.blic.rs/vesti/hronika/zvicer-tuzi-medije-zbog-ljudskih-cevapa-sef-kavackog-klana-trazi-da-sud-zabrani/4nez6er

[Varda]

Hercegovina, yes a bit (especially the Serbs). But Dalmatian Hinterland (where i am from), definitly no!

https://www.dw.com/hr/crnogorski-kriminalci-se-ubijaju-u-njema%C4%8Dkoj/a-48760887

https://www.blic.rs/vesti/hronika/zvicer-tuzi-medije-zbog-ljudskih-cevapa-sef-kavackog-klana-trazi-da-sud-zabrani/4nez6er

Stop acting Croatian, you are Bosnian Muslim!

I am from Dalmatian hinterland, and tell me meaning of this Dalmatian local words (my ancestors used them as all Dalmatians of both religions): bikar, šijun, šetemana, kala, kašeta, rokelj, brunzin, šudarić, šugaman, bunjište, vuštan, kištra, maća, ošap, šušurno, šnjure, babulj, pagati, kurdelja, moka, misija, vicijan, murva, kušin, škatula, ćika, šuvit, devorni, dvizac?

[duty]

Stop acting Croatian, you are Bosnian Muslim!

Im not acting lul


I am from Dalmatian hinterland, and tell me meaning of this Dalmatian local words (my ancestors used them as all Dalmatians of both religions): bikar, šijun, šetemana, kala, kašeta, rokelj, brunzin, šudarić, šugaman, bunjište, vuštan, kištra, maća, ošap, šušurno, šnjure, babulj, pagati, kurdelja, moka, misija, vicijan, murva, kušin, škatula, ćika, šuvit, devorni, dvizac?

Honestly i dont know all these words because i didnt grow up in Dalmatia. I just know for sugaman what means towel, mudante what means underpants, kapule what means onion and and some others. But you can think what ever you want, i dont care

BTW what does this have to do with our discussion? I guess you can't realize that you've been destroyed :icon_lol:

[Ford]

Albanized North Croatized Montecoons

[Varda]

Im not acting lul



Honestly i dont know all these words because i didnt grow up in Dalmatia. I just know for sugaman what means towel, mudante what means underpants, kapule what means onion and and some others. But you can think what ever you want, i dont care

BTW what does this have to do with our discussion? I guess you can't realize that you've been destroyed :icon_lol:

bikar - butcher
šijun - rain with strong wind, storm
šetemana - week
kala - narrow street
kašeta - chest (furniture)
rokelj - yarn
brunzin - pot of bronze
šudarić - marama
bunjište - dump
vuštan - dress
kištra - crate
maća - disease
ošap - kad se kuva pekmez pa ona kaša dok se još ne stavi šećer
šušurno - uncomfortable
šnjure - shoelaces
babulj - round stone
pagati - to pay
kurdelja - tape
moka - flour
misija - a large stone
vicijan - foolish
murva - morus (plant)
kušin - pillow
škatula - a box
ćika - cigarette butt
šuvit - attic
devorni - foreign
dvizac - ram 2 years old (dvizica is sheep 2 years old)

You have shown here that you are stupid with a tendency towards the retardation. :)

[Varda]

bikar - butcher
šijun - rain with strong wind, storm
šetemana - week
kala - narrow street
kašeta - chest (furniture)
rokelj - yarn
brunzin - pot of bronze
šudarić - marama
bunjište - dump
vuštan - dress
kištra - crate
maća - disease
ošap - kad se kuva pekmez pa ona kaša dok se još ne stavi šećer
šušurno - uncomfortable
šnjure - shoelaces
babulj - round stone
pagati - to pay
kurdelja - tape
moka - flour
misija - a large stone
vicijan - foolish
murva - morus (plant)
kušin - pillow
škatula - a box
ćika - cigarette butt
šuvit - attic
devorni - foreign
dvizac - ram 2 years old (dvizica is sheep 2 years old)

You have shown here that you are stupid with a tendency towards the retardation. :)

Robocop was probably right that many Dalmatian localisms originated from Dalmatian (Romance) language, but people think they are of Italian/Venetian origin because of similarity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

Still i am pretty sure there is more words of Venetian than of Dalmatian Romance origin in speech of Slavic speaking Dalmatians, at least in Dalmatian hinterland.

[Varda]

Yes, he is likely part Serb.

Two Albanian users on Eupedia forum made fun of him for it. xD

[nikolaipoland]

Typical Montenegrin is Novak Đoković and he is completely unpassable for Dalmatian Croat.

(? He can pass, yeah not is exactly very tipical, but "unpassable" at all.

https://d2me2qg8dfiw8u.cloudfront.net/content/uploads/2021/04/20084158/Novak-Djokovic-looking-ahead.jpg

[Varda]

Hercegovina, yes a bit (especially the Serbs). But Dalmatian Hinterland (where i am from), definitly no!

https://www.dw.com/hr/crnogorski-kriminalci-se-ubijaju-u-njema%C4%8Dkoj/a-48760887

https://www.blic.rs/vesti/hronika/zvicer-tuzi-medije-zbog-ljudskih-cevapa-sef-kavackog-klana-trazi-da-sud-zabrani/4nez6er

:)

https://youtu.be/1GLgzr4Ck20

[Jana]

(? He can pass, yeah not is exactly very tipical, but "unpassable" at all.

https://d2me2qg8dfiw8u.cloudfront.net/content/uploads/2021/04/20084158/Novak-Djokovic-looking-ahead.jpg

No, I would instantly guess him as Serb/Montenegrin. He looks 0% Croat.

[Jana]

Mentality of Dalmatians is not much different than Montenegrin.
Look at this post of guy who is Croatian and full Dalmatian https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/referendum-o-dubrovniku.925901/page-2#post-42612679

Again, Dalmatians really have nothing in common with Montenegrins and it's a good thing they don't. Stop trying to connect with us.
That Serb posting there is about as Dalmatian as I am related with British Queen.

[Varda]

Again, Dalmatians really have nothing in common with Montenegrins and it's a good thing they don't. Stop trying to connect with us.
That Serb posting there is about as Dalmatian as I am related with British Queen.

Wrong. He is Dalmatian and Croatian, but he hate neo-ustaše. From you point of view it could be say for him orjunaš.

You believe that Dalmatians are closer to central Euros than to Montenegrins, good joke. Both Dalmatians and Montenegrins are typical Dinaric talibans.


https://youtu.be/Ny4IUyUqfMo

[Jana]

Wrong. He is Dalmatian and Croatian, but he hate neo-ustaše. From you point of view it could be say for him orjunaš.

You believe that Dalmatians are closer to central Euros than to Montenegrins, good joke. Both Dalmatians and Montenegrins are typical Dinaric talibans.


https://youtu.be/Ny4IUyUqfMo

Don't lie Serv, I stated million times what Dalmtians are like, but I consider Montenegrins subhuman and they disgust me.

[Varda]

Don't lie Serv, I stated million times what Dalmtians are like, but I consider Montenegrins subhuman and they disgust me.

Historian from video with long hair is common Dalmatian coastal face. He fit only in coastal Dalmatia. But it's more interesting what he say than his look.

[Varda]

Don't lie Serv, I stated million times what Dalmtians are like, but I consider Montenegrins subhuman and they disgust me.

Again you prove your own subhumanity.

Montenegrins on average are capable and successful people in many aspects. Montenegrins have high amount of high educated people. Škutors are seljačine for Montenegrins, although they have some similarities.

[Insuperable]

Again you prove your own subhumanity.

Montenegrins on average are capable and successful people in many aspects. Montenegrins have high amount of high educated people. Škutors are seljačine for Montenegrins, although they have some similarities.

Eastern Herzegovinians must be some kind of seljancurine then.

[Insuperable]

Historian from video with long hair is common Dalmatian coastal face. He fit only in coastal Dalmatia. But it's more interesting what he say than his look.

He is quarter Serb, quarter Bosniak and half Croat (from Dalmatia). His mom is half Bosniak and half Serb from Mostar. Typical Yugo commie atheist that hates nationalism and religion.

[Jana]

Again you prove your own subhumanity.

Montenegrins on average are capable and successful people in many aspects. Montenegrins have high amount of high educated people. Škutors are seljačine for Montenegrins, although they have some similarities.

They are criminals, one of most violent, backwards and sneaky people in Europe. Biggest Četniks around and I feel sorry for Croats who think Montenegrins are some decent people.

Montenegrins are nothing more than goatfucker Serbs on steroids. And I don't care for internal strife in Montenegro, see it just another internal Serb split.

[Varda]

They are criminals, one of most violent, backwards and sneaky people in Europe. Biggest Četniks around and I feel sorry for Croats who think Montenegrins are some decent people.

Montenegrins are nothing more than goatfucker Serbs on steroids. And I don't care for internal strife in Montenegro, see it just another internal Serb split.

Montenegrins are capable for everything. It's true that most of the prominent criminals in Belgrade are Montenegrins. But there is also a lot of Montenegrins among doctors, politicians, top athletes, lawyers, actors, scientists, academicians, artists etc. Most of hospital chiefs in Belgrade and rest of Serbia have Montenegrin surnames. Once when my brother was in hospital (long time ago) name of his doctor was Radule Vukićević. He was Montenegrin who spoke "Montenegrin" as he had come from Montenegro yesterday and he is in Serbia at the latest since university.

Which Montenegrin tribes rule Serbia https://www.ekspres.net/istrazivanje/detici-od-savnika-do-dedinja-koja-crnogorska-plemena-upravljaju-srbijom

There is more Montenegrins in Serbia than in Montenegro.
There is a joke: what if Montenegrins have eyes that radiate light? Belgrade would be like Las Vegas. xD

[Varda]

He is quarter Serb, quarter Bosniak and half Croat (from Dalmatia). His mom is half Bosniak and half Serb from Mostar. Typical Yugo commie atheist that hates nationalism and religion.

Still he look coastal Dalmatian.

[Varda]

This is bloody. :)


https://youtu.be/YFAO-YExt20

[Varda]

Eastern Herzegovinians must be some kind of seljancurine then.

Some famous Herzegovinian Serbs and historical figures: Jovan Dučić (poet and diplomat), Aleksa Šantić (poet), Ratko Mladić, Jovan Deretić, Vojislav Šešelj, Nebojša Glogovac (actor), Nataša Ninković (actress), Vuk Drašković, Zdravko Šotra (screenwriter), Vladimir Ćorović (a great historian), Sava Vladislavić (Russian diplomat and count born in Jasenik near Gacko), Momo Kapor (painter and writer), Karl Madlen (American actor), Mićo Ljubibratić (duke), Luka Vukalović (duke), Stojan Kovačević (duke), Bogdan Zimonjić (duke), Bogan Žerajić (revolutioner, member of "Mlada Bosna"), Vladimir Gaćinović (revolutioner, member of "Mlada Bosna"), Prodan Rupar (duke), Jevto Dedijer (geographer and writer), Milorad Ekmečić (historian and Serbian academician), Radovan Samardžić (historian), Pero Slijepčević (historian and writer), Emir Kusturica, Zdravko Čolić etc.

These are successful Herzegovinian Serbs for example, but i can't say they are notable in positive sense (i hate Vuk Drašković but still he is marked one period of Serbian history and at least he is good writer)
https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Hamović
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darija_Kisić_Tepavčević

Not to mentioned how notable Serbs had deeper origin from Herzegovina like families Stratimirović and Duđerski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Stratimirović
https://www.danas.rs/ekonomija/dundjerski-najveci-veleposednici-austrougarske/

[Insuperable]

Still he look coastal Dalmatian.

He doesn't.

[Insuperable]

Some famous Herzegovinian Serbs and historical figures: Jovan Dučić (poet and diplomat), Aleksa Šantić (poet), Ratko Mladić, Jovan Deretić, Vojislav Šešelj, Nebojša Glogovac (actor), Nataša Ninković (actress), Vuk Drašković, Zdravko Šotra (screenwriter), Vladimir Ćorović (a great historian), Sava Vladislavić (Russian diplomat and count born in Jasenik near Gacko), Momo Kapor (writer), Karl Madlen (American actor), Mićo Ljubibratić (duke), Luka Vukalović (duke), Stojan Kovačević (duke), Bogdan Zimonjić (duke), Bogan Žerajić (revolutioner, member of "Mlada Bosna"), Vladimir Gaćinović (revolutioner, member of "Mlada Bosna"), Prodan Rupar (duke), Jevto Dedijer (geographer and writer), Milorad Ekmečić (historian and Serbian academician), Radovan Samardžić (historian), Pero Slijepčević (historian and writer), Emir Kusturica, Zdravko Čolić etc.

These are successful Herzegovinian Serbs for example, but i can't say they are notable in positive sense (i hate Vuk Drašković but still he is marked one period of Serbian history and at least he is good writer)
https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Hamović
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darija_Kisić_Tepavčević

Not to mentioned how notable Serbs had deeper origin from Herzegovina like families Stratimirović and Duđerski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Stratimirović
https://www.danas.rs/ekonomija/dundjerski-najveci-veleposednici-austrougarske/

Zaboli me cipela.

[Varda]

Zaboli me cipela.

You have only krkani brothers Mamić, fra Grgo Martić who was declared Serb before AH occupation when he converted to Croatian and ustashe criminals like Maks Luburić and Andriha Artuković. xD

Goran Bogdan is only Škutor actor whom i know, who btw often acting in Serbia.

[Insuperable]

You have only krkani brothers Mamić, fra Grgo Martić who was declared Serb before AU occupation when he converted to Croatian and ustashe criminals like Maks Luburić and Andriha Artuković. xD

Goran Bogdan is only Škutor actor who i know, who btw often acting in Serbia.

To je tvoje mišljenje. A znaš kako se kaže za mišljenja. Mišljenja su kao šupak, svatko ih ima. Neću spasti toliko nisko da nekom random srbendi nabrajam likove.

Stvarno dođe čovjeku da se zapita kad neki srbenda govori drugima da su krkani i seljaci...

[Tutankhamun]

I would like to see all this difference that the people of the Balkans have, the only one I know is religion.

[duty]

Some famous Herzegovinian Serbs and historical figures: Jovan Dučić (poet and diplomat), Aleksa Šantić (poet), Ratko Mladić, Jovan Deretić, Vojislav Šešelj, Nebojša Glogovac (actor), Nataša Ninković (actress), Vuk Drašković, Zdravko Šotra (screenwriter), Vladimir Ćorović (a great historian), Sava Vladislavić (Russian diplomat and count born in Jasenik near Gacko), Momo Kapor (painter and writer), Karl Madlen (American actor), Mićo Ljubibratić (duke), Luka Vukalović (duke), Stojan Kovačević (duke), Bogdan Zimonjić (duke), Bogan Žerajić (revolutioner, member of "Mlada Bosna"), Vladimir Gaćinović (revolutioner, member of "Mlada Bosna"), Prodan Rupar (duke), Jevto Dedijer (geographer and writer), Milorad Ekmečić (historian and Serbian academician), Radovan Samardžić (historian), Pero Slijepčević (historian and writer), Emir Kusturica, Zdravko Čolić etc.

These are successful Herzegovinian Serbs for example, but i can't say they are notable in positive sense (i hate Vuk Drašković but still he is marked one period of Serbian history and at least he is good writer)
https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Hamović
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darija_Kisić_Tepavčević

Not to mentioned how notable Serbs had deeper origin from Herzegovina like families Stratimirović and Duđerski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Stratimirović
https://www.danas.rs/ekonomija/dundjerski-najveci-veleposednici-austrougarske/

Children murders, serbias pride

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Montenegrins arent that bad at all, but still they are closer to Albanians IMO. Once they were "Serbian spartans" now they move up from Serbs, like everyone sooner or later...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAp-TqCFm_k

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Montenegrins arent that bad at all, but still they are closer to Albanians IMO. Once they were "Serbian spartans" now they move up from Serbs, like everyone sooner or later...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAp-TqCFm_k

Number of real anti-Serbian Montenegrins in Montenegro is only 70-80K. Most of them are from Cetinje and Katunska nahija or with origin from there.

I heard many time from Montenegrin Serbs (real Montenegrins) that they will trample anti-Serbian Montenegrins (traitors of serbdoom) like a bugs sooner or later.

Anti-Serbian regime of Milo Đukanović fell and now is better situation for Serbs in Montenegro. I am pretty sure on the next census Serbs will be more numerous than Montenegrins in Montenegro. During the time of Milo's dictatorship a lot of Serbs in Montenegro officially declared themselves as Montenegrins only for the biological existence, but in the hearth and soul stayed Serbs.

Re-raising of serbdoom in Montenegro is reality and nightmare of Zagreb. Most of those who stormed Dubrovnik were Montengrins or Serbs from Montenegro. :)


https://youtu.be/IEbOKErpnZ0

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Number of real anti-Serbian Montenegrins in Montenegro is only 70-80K. Most of them are from Cetinje and Katunska nahija or with origin from there.

I heard many time from Montenegrin Serbs (real Montenegrins) that they will trample anti-Serbian Montenegrins (traitors of serbdoom) like a bugs sooner or later.

Anti-Serbian regime of Milo Đukanović fell and now is better situation for Serbs in Montenegro. I am pretty sure on the next census Serbs will be more numerous than Montenegrins in Montenegro. During the time of Milo's dictatorship a lot of Serbs in Montenegro officially declared themselves as Montenegrins only for the biological existence, but in the hearth and soul stayed Serbs.

Yes and in five to ten years you will hate Dritan Abazovic and claim him as "Albanian dictator and scum" :D

BTW if Montenegrins were proud Serbs why they split of you?


Re-raising of serbdoom in Montenegro is reality and nightmare of Zagreb. Most of those who stormed Dubrovnik were Montengrins or Serbs from Montenegro. :)

I dont wanna hurt you but nobody in the whole entire world cares about Serbs of Montenegro, or Serbs in general. Its a false perception of yourself. Its just funny to see how everyone turns away from Serbs, as soon as they have anything to do with you.

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Yes and in five to ten years you will hate Dritan Abazovic and claim him as "Albanian dictator and scum" :D

BTW if Montenegrins were proud Serbs why they split of you?



I dont wanna hurt you but nobody in the whole entire world cares about Serbs of Montenegro, or Serbs in general. Its a false perception of yourself. Its just funny to see how everyone turns away from Serbs, as soon as they have anything to do with you.

Your knowledge about Montenegro and Montenegrins is poor.
You know about Montenegro only from Croatian and Bosniak propaganda. I know tons of Montenegrins and know very well their mentality. Many Montenegrins have fluid identity, they can be today Montenegrins and tomorrow Serbs or vise versa or both in the same time.
Only historical identity in Montenegro is Serbian. Montenegro was created by Serbs and Serbian Orthodox Church.
Some people say Montenegrins are former Serbs who evolved as separates ethnos like Macedonians from Bulgarians. In history Serbian identity in Montenegro was strong until recent period when became weaker, but still is pretty strong. On the other hand Bulgarian identity among Orthodox Macedonians in the past is debetable and today doesn't exist. Bulgarians are 0.1% in North Macedonia, and Serbs were officially 1/3 in Montenegro in 2011 and in reality is more than that.