2000 yrs old Hispano Roman woman face reconstructed - classify

[Sebastianus Rex]

The skull of a Hispano Roman woman wit 2000 years old found in Amadora (near Lisbon) was reconstructed, classify.


https://youtu.be/C0QWoq4bxUo

[Grogu]

Wow, very nordic looking. I would of initially believed more Mediterranean looking but this could be accurate. Us Romans were quite pale and nordic shifted at times.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Wow, very nordic looking. I would of initially believed more Mediterranean looking but this could be accurate. Us Romans were quite pale and nordic shifted at times.

Just proves that the " visighotic spreading blond genes and before that it was all wogs" is a BS theory...lighter phenotypes exist in southern Europe since imemorial times.

[Arūnas]

Borreby

[gixajo]

Just proves that the " visighotic spreading blond genes and before that it was all wogs" is a BS theory...lighter phenotypes exist in southern Europe since imemorial times.

Is this individual from this site?:

http://museuarqueologicodeodrinhas.cm-sintra.pt/escavacoes/1/alto-da-vigia.html

I did know this one in Amadora, from earlier ages:

https://www.visitlisboa.com/es/sitios/necropole-de-carenque

[Sebastianus Rex]

Is this individual from this site?:

http://museuarqueologicodeodrinhas.cm-sintra.pt/escavacoes/1/alto-da-vigia.html

I did know this one in Amadora, from earlier ages:

https://www.visitlisboa.com/es/sitios/necropole-de-carenque

No, it's from the necropolis Monte do Castelinho...I believe those you posted are from the municipality of Sintra, Wich is close by.

[gixajo]

No, it's from the necropolis Monte do Castelinho...I believe those you posted are from the municipality of Sintra, Wich is close by.


Nota: Não confundir com os sítios arqueológicos de Mesas do Castelinho, igualmente situado em Almodôvar, do Monte dos Castelinhos, em Vila Franca de Xira, ou do Moinho do Castelinho, na Amadora.

Não será antes, Moinho do Castelinho?:confused:

Seria muito útil se aquela mulher tivesse sido testada, teríamos finalmente um indivíduo da Idade do Ferro da península ocidental.

Edit:Even considering she was or whe could have been Hispano-Roman and not pre-Roman Iberian...:rolleyes2:

[Ranger0075]

the nose seem to be really Roman (kinda dinaricized), occipital bone seem to be atlantid influenced (usually dinarids dont have that kind of posterior skull) + borreby appearance, but her skull seem to be smaller than to other borreby, do people call it alpine? subnorid as a whole.

[Rethel]

lighter phenotypes exist in southern Europe since imemorial times.

Since Indoeuropeans arrived.

[Morena]

I like reconstructions. This one had a very matronly look. I don’t know about classifications, but she seems to fit more northern than expected. Yes, of course “lighter types” have been present in s. Europe since before visigoths, Germanic incursions, etc.

[gixajo]

Necrópole romana do Monte Novo do Castelinho (Almodôvar)

https://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=749679

Necrópole romana do Moinho do Castelinho, Amadora (Portugal)

https://dialnet.unirioja.es/buscar/documentos?querysDismax.DOCUMENTAL_TODO=moinho+do+ castelinho

[Sebastianus Rex]

Não será antes, Moinho do Castelinho?:confused:

Seria muito útil se aquela mulher tivesse sido testada, teríamos finalmente um indivíduo da Idade do Ferro da península ocidental.

Edit:Even considering she was or whe could have been Hispano-Roman and not pre-Roman Iberian...:rolleyes2:

Sim, Moinho... perdão.

Vamos ver, pode ser que haja desenvolvimentos sobre a composição genética.

[Damião de Góis]

Romans bringing roman women to the iberian peninsula is something that never crossed my mind. That said i guess she could be from anywhere in the empire including here.

[alnortedelsur]

Wow, very nordic looking. I would of initially believed more Mediterranean looking but this could be accurate. Us Romans were quite pale and nordic shifted at times.

LOL, that also applies to today's Iberians as well.

And that woman could pass as Spanish or Portuguese easily.

[Armenian Bishop]

The reconstruction work does look well done, with a few possible exceptions: [1] How do we know that her eyes were blue? [2] How do we know that her hair was blondish?

[gixajo]

Romans bringing roman women to the iberian peninsula is something that never crossed my mind. That said i guess she could be from anywhere in the empire including here.

Well, the earliest burials at that site date from the 3rd century and the most modern from the 5th century, so it would be strange for that woman in question to be totally Iberian "native", although of course, it is not impossible. By the time of the site, I would say that although she could be mostly native, her DNA should show some mixture from outside the peninsula.

Nor would it be so strange that she was totally foreign, (from any province of Rome), the middle and high positions of the civil service and the army, took their women with them wherever they went.

This is something that we can see, for example, in the correspondence that appeared on the Vindolanda site in the United Kingdom, where a Roman woman wrote to her relatives in Rome.

That woman was a relative of a soldier assigned to that border post on Hadrian's wall.

[Sebastianus Rex]

The reconstruction work does look well done, with a few possible exceptions: [1] How do we know that her eyes were blue? [2] How do we know that her hair was blondish?

Translated From the Portuguese Nat Geo website about this :
"A dama romana da Amadora" https://nationalgeographic.pt/historia/grandes-reportagens/2677-a-dama-romana-da-amadora

"The pars petrosa of the temporal bone is where our genetic information is best kept, but it can be collected throughout the skeleton. Genome sequencing from the Roman lady's temporal bone allowed us to confirm the individual's sex, the possible geographical origin of the ancestors, the color of the eyes and hair, and the skin tone."

[Hamilcar]

she was used as an example of "romans were nordic" on 4chan lol

[Sebastianus Rex]

she was used as an example of "romans were nordic" on 4chan lol

Lol...Genetically she was similar to ancient Sardinians and ancient Iberians.

[NSXD60]

Obviously Margaret Thatcher's granny2000, her husband having been reassigned from the British legions to the Spanish.

[Grogu]

she was used as an example of "romans were nordic" on 4chan lol

of course... how did they know she looked like this anyway?

[Monge Triste]

Alpine-Dinaric. Would like to know apart from pigmentation, what does she has that classify her as "Nordic Type".