Who are the Slovaks?

[HungAryan]

What is now "Slovakia" is actually Northern Hungary.
But where did they come from? Did they magically appear in 1918? Or did they emerge in the Middle Ages?

The Theories:
A) Great Moravian Theory: This theory says that Slovaks the descendants of the inhabitants of the Great Moravian Empire.
B) Czecho-Polish Theory: This theory says that the Slovaks emerged after the Mongol invasion of Hungary in the 13th century. King Béla of Hungary drew in immigrants from Czechia and Poland to compensate for the loss of population (50% of Hungary's population were killed during the Mongol invasion), and the Slovak ethnicity was born out of the mixing between Czech and Polish immigrants to Northern Hungary.
C) Slavicized Magyar Theory: This theory says that Slovaks are in fact (genetically) Hungarians who have been forced/brainwashed into speaking a Slavic language, namely Slovak, a dialect of Czech. Hungarian Nationalists often use this to brand Slovakia as an "artificial state" to justify their territorial claim on it.

Backing Up:
A) Great Moravian Theory: There is nothing that backs this theory up, apart from the fact that modern-day Slovakia was part of the Great Moravian Empire. Totally fake. The same thing as the Romanian "Daco-Roman theory", and the Albanian "Illyrian theory". Nothing but nationalist propaganda that has no historical basis. At least that's what we say.
B) Czecho-Polish Theory: In the 19th century, there were records about the existence of Slovaks in Austro-Hungarian records (1880 census map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Hungary-ethnic_groups.jpg) 1910 census map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Austria_Hungary_ethnic.svg/1000px-Austria_Hungary_ethnic.svg.png)), and there were records about enforced Hungarization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarization) of Slovaks.
C) Slavicized Magyar Theory: The only evidence to back this theory up is the fact that DNA testing has concluded that Slovaks are genetically much closer to Hungarians than to Czechs or Poles. Hungarians and Slovaks are nearly identical genetically. Slovaks and Hungarians are indistinguishable from each other based on appearance.

[bluesky]

mainly Czecho-Polish and some of them might be mixed with hungarians.

[W. R.]

This theory says that Slovaks are in fact (genetically) Hungarians who have been forced/brainwashed into speaking a Slavic languageWho and when did that?

[Yaroslav]

Obviously they are Moravians.

[Crn Volk]

I've read that they're a fake nation, only 200 years old. This usually comes from Magyar nationalists. Is this true?

[TheMaestro]

I've read that they're a fake nation, only 200 years old. This usually comes from Magyar nationalists. Is this true?

Sorry to inform you, that Slovakia has not the same case as Macedonia.

I guess you've never heard about Principality of Nitra or Samo's Empire. Great Moravia was also basically western Slavic empire a.k.a Slovaks and Czechs.

[Crn Volk]

Sorry to inform you, that Slovakia has not the same case as Macedonia.

I guess you've never heard about Principality of Nitra or Samo's Empire. Great Moravia was also basically western Slavic empire a.k.a Slovaks and Czechs.

No mention of ethnic Slovaks in those states.

[Russki]

Bring back Czechoslovakia

[TheMaestro]

Bring back Czechoslovakia

Not really, Slovaks were secondary citizens. And after the spliting Slovak politicians sold and privatized everything they could. Czechs did much better, less emotional and a bit more rational than Slovaks. Although Slovaks have better culture imo. And also they are both racist as fuck.

[Jana]

Bring back Czechoslovakia

Why? No need at all, both countries are doing great and Slovaks are finally bosses in their own house.


Not really, Slovaks were secondary citizens. And after the spliting Slovak politicians sold and privatized everything they could. Czechs did much better, less emotional and a bit more rational than Slovaks. Although Slovaks have better culture imo. And also they are both racist as fuck.

Are Slovaks emotional tho? Probably yes compared to Czechs, but hardly to south Slavs(and maybe even Ukrainians for eg). My friend has been living in Bratislava for years. She say Slovaks are cold and "gray".
Her best friends in there are Slovak Hungarians, she says they're different and quite more warm/friendly.

And yeah, I agree they seem pretty racist. Her husband is East Asian and has been attacked twice by skineheads so far, that would never happen here (lived in Cro for years, never any issues, people were super friendly and curious towards him)

[Jana]

Slovaks should be more often in "who is the most Slavic discussion". People often overlook that. Overall Slovaks are among groups with highest amount of Early Slavic ancestry, they are Slavic as fuck with minor non Slavic admix.

[Peterski]

In my opinion Great Moravian Theory + some later influx from Poland, but it was not decisive.

I wonder if "Polak Węgier dwa bratanki" saying refers also to "Northern Hungary" (Slovakia).

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Slavicized Magyar Theory is ridiculous. Hungarians are for the most part Magyarized Slavs, not the other way around.

[Jana]

In my opinion Great Moravian Theory + some later influx from Poland, but it was not decisive.

Slavicized Magyar Theory is ridiculous. Hungarians are for the most part Magyarized Slavs, not the other way around.

there is Hungarian admixture among Slovaks though, just looking at the most popular surnames it's visible.

[Jana]

hmm according to this model than are less Slavic than I tought (I expected them being close to 80%) but who knows. Slovak average anyhow isn't made out of large sample size iirc.

Target: Slovak
Distance: 1.2941% / 1.29414938

63.4 Slavic
26.3 Celtic
10.3 Germanic

[TheMaestro]

Why? No need at all, both countries are doing great and Slovaks are finally bosses in their own house.



Are Slovaks emotional tho? Probably yes compared to Czechs, but hardly to south Slavs(and maybe even Ukrainians for eg). My friend has been living in Bratislava for years. She say Slovaks are cold and "gray".
Her best friends in there are Slovak Hungarians, she says they're different and quite more warm/friendly.

And yeah, I agree they seem pretty racist. Her husband is East Asian and has been attacked twice by skineheads so far, that would never happen here (lived in Cro for years, never any issues, people were super friendly and curious towards him)

Compared to Czechs yes, the thing is what I'm trying to say, Slovaks have this stigma that when something gets in their head they immediately do it without thinking. It's like they all turn into attacking mode suddenly. In other cases Slovaks are very cold people more on the introverted side, but this is mostly known about western Slovaks. Eastern Slovaks are much more sociable because they also drink more and are much less fortunate than those from the western Slovakia. I have many friends from the east and they are realy good people.

Czechs also seem more easy going than Slovaks, where Slovak rages and keeps raging a Czech would rage for 5 seconds and then he would just let it be, because he doesn't care anymore.

You see, in Slovakia there used to be huge propaganda from Serbs about Kosovo. Almost every Slovak will know to say you that Kosovo is Serbia, but when you ask any single fact or argument he can't come up with one. I understand Slovaks siding with their Slavic counterpart, but this is the thing with Slovaks, something gets into their head and forget you change their opinion.

Both those countries are racist as hell, believe me. Slovaks imo though twice more. Many jokes actually are related to race, they also shittalk Hungarians alot, I feel like there is no nation Slovaks acutally like, they shit on everyone. Don't know why but that's how it is. Although you see they like to talk like this alot, but I don't think there is a deep meaning in their words(I don't think they would just deliberately just hate the ethnic but shit talking is "okay". Maybe DNA frustration? Who knows.

And also I agree with Hungarians beeing much much more warmer. You can feel it imediately when you enter any Hungarian village in Slovakia. People even might talk to you without knowing you, a Slovak would just stare at you and mind of bussiness. Hungarians are definitely warmer people and much more nicer. Although some people might say otherwise. I think Hungarians were always surrounded by Slavic speaking countries, so basically enemies in older times, but you can't imagine how their face changes when you talk to them in Hungarian. They smile back and help.

Last time I went from Kosovo back to Slovakia, I had 25-30kg of yellow paprika in my trunk. The allowance is like 4-6kg ? I think. The police was controlling me, I mostly talk in English when dealing with them. I switched to Hungarian and suddenly they didn't care about the paprika in my trunk XDD He opened the trunk and was like damn son thats alot and I started to laugh. He said atleast just dump one case so the captain wont care XD I bet if I didnt speak in Hungarian I would have to dump everything or atleast 25kg XD

[Russki]

Why?

I just like the name :D

It's up to them, of course.

Apparently Slovaks see it as Czech imperialism, if this article is to be believed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakism


Czechoslovakism went into almost total oblivion, and if mentioned it was referred to by Slovaks as disguised Czech expansionism.

[Peterski]

hmm according to this model than are less Slavic than I tought (I expected them being close to 80%) but who knows. Slovak average anyhow isn't made out of large sample size iirc.

Target: Slovak
Distance: 1.2941% / 1.29414938

63.4 Slavic
26.3 Celtic
10.3 Germanic

Can you post the source coordinates for this model?

[Universe]

No mention of ethnic Slovaks in those states.
But those people were ancestors of Slovaks. Using this logic, modern East Slavic nations can't claim Kievan Rus because Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians didn't exist at the time.

Slovak = Slav. Slovak come from Slovene / Slav, the word just evolved in the medieval and changed from Slovene to slovak. Slovaks in their own language they still call themselves Slavs (eg. Slovenka - a female Slovak person, slovensky - slovak (adjactive). Slovene is old name for Slavs. Slovenians are another slavic nation that refer to themselves as Slavs.
Wikipedia:

The name Slovak is derived from *Slověninъ, plural *Slověně, the old name of the Slavs (Proglas, around 863).[a] The original stem has been preserved in all Slovak words except the masculine noun; the feminine noun is Slovenka, the adjective is slovenský, the language is slovenčina and the country is Slovensko. The first written mention of adjective slovenský (Slovak) is in 1294 (ad parvam arborem nystra slowenski breza ubi est meta).[17]

The original name of Slovaks Slovenin/Slovene was still recorded in Pressburg Latin-Czech Dictionary (the 14th century),[18] but it changed to Slovák under the influence of Czech and Polish (around 1400). The first written mention of new form in the territory of present-day Slovakia is from Bardejov (1444, "Nicoulaus Cossibor hauptman, Nicolaus Czech et Slowak, stipendiarii supremi"). The mentions in Czech sources are older (1375 and 1385).[19] The change is not related to the ethnogenesis of Slovaks, but exclusively to linguistic changes in the West Slavic languages. The word Slovak was used also later as a common name for all Slavs in Czech, Polish, and also Slovak together with other forms

[TheMaestro]

I wonder if "Polak Węgier dwa bratanki" saying refers also to "Northern Hungary" (Slovakia).

Yes, but only included. In the times, Slovakia used to be part of Hungary, but this quote was meant to mean as a whole, Budapest was the main city. Although Bratislava - Pozsony
was also a monarch city.




Slavicized Magyar Theory is ridiculous. Hungarians are for the most part Magyarized Slavs, not the other way around.


I agree, old magyars died, Hungary "preserved" their nation by their language and traditions, not genetically.

[TheMaestro]

I just like the name :D

It's up to them, of course.

Apparently Slovaks see it as Czech imperialism, if this article is to be believed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakism

Were decent in sports XD And decent factory brands. Skoda used to be incredibly reliable car, after it got bought under VW.

[Jana]

Can you post the source coordinates for this model?

It's from K13 ancient sheet :)


Czech_EarlySlav,27.10,52.18,7.67,4.48,2.86,0.43,3. 49,0.00,1.05,0.24,0.06,0.47,0.00
Denmark_IA,50.59,28.27,9.62,4.77,0.78,1.09,2.07,0. 00,1.05,0.46,0.66,0.51,0.15
France_GrandEst_IA1,40.65,19.04,23.23,2.62,9.27,2. 00,0.37,0.00,0.51,0.72,0.99,0.60,0.00
France_GrandEst_IA2,41.45,19.74,20.36,3.84,9.31,1. 15,1.14,0.14,0.73,0.23,0.80,0.51,0.62
Poland_Medieval_1,26.02,40.91,13.35,3.24,6.65,1.58 ,2.73,0.00,0.00,3.34,0.17,0.00,2.01
Kazakhstan_GoldenHordeEuro,23.36,53.03,9.48,4.37,3 .84,2.31,0.93,0.74,0.30,0.94,0.22,0.48,0.00
Russia_Sunghir_Medieval,26.12,47.38,12.20,0.50,6.1 1,1.90,0.00,1.34,2.53,0.61,0.00,1.31,0.00
Ukraine_Medieval,22.51,44.88,11.88,7.35,7.30,0.72, 2.73,0.00,0.85,0.36,0.67,0.00,0.73
Ukraine_Viking_o,22.89,43.46,10.80,8.14,9.02,0.00, 0.00,0.00,1.72,0.41,1.31,1.21,1.03

[Jana]

Were decent in sports XD And decent factory brands. Skoda used to be incredibly reliable car, after it got bought under VW.

Yup. My dad was amazed with quality of sport equipment Czehoslovakia produced. It was cheap but very good, from ice skates to camping equipment. Also cameras and photographic equipment.
You could buy none of such awesome stuff in Yu.

[Russki]

Great Moravian is the only votable option here.

Everything else is just plain retarded.

[Kostej]

Its great Moravian mixed with Czech, Polish, German and Hungarian blood. Eastern Slovakia specifically has great Ukrainian/Rusyn influence also there were quite massive Balkan migrations of Croats and Romanians (Vlachs) to this territory

[Blondie]

Slovaks are hungarians and hungarians are slovaks as you wish. Genetically they are descedants of slavo-pannonian (illyrian) popultion who lived here before the nomad magyars have arrived. Slovak and hungarian are same ethnicity with same national symbols, historical identity (since 9-10. century) etc but with different language. Slovakia and Hungary should have never separated, because they belong to each other.
The problem is the forced magyarization politics of hungarian elite in the 19. century which poisoned the very good slovak-hungarian relationship what existed before that.