What do you think were the phenotypes of the European Huns?

[Cossack]

What do you think were the phenotypes of the European Huns?Were they Caucasians or Mongoloids?

[Cristiano viejo]

European Huns, LOoOo:blink:ooooOoL...

[Cossack]

European Huns, LOoOo:blink:ooooOoL...

I was referring to the Huns who invaded Europe

[de Burgh II]

Physical appearance

Ancient descriptions of the Huns are uniform in stressing their strange appearance from a Roman perspective. These descriptions typically caricature the Huns as monsters.[36] Jordanes stressed that the Huns were short of stature, had tanned skin and round and shapeless heads.[37] Various writers mention that the Huns had small eyes and flat noses.[38] The Roman writer Priscus gives the following eyewitness description of Attila: "Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin."[39]

Many scholars take these to be unflattering depictions of East Asian ("Mongoloid") racial characteristics.[40] Maenchen-Helfen argues that, while many Huns had East Asian racial characteristics, they were unlikely to have looked as Asiatic as the Yakut or Tungus.[41] He notes that archaeological finds of presumed Huns suggest that they were a racially mixed group containing only some individuals with East Asian features.[42] Kim similarly cautions against seeing the Huns as a homogenous racial group,[43] while still arguing that they were "partially or predominantly of Mongoloid extraction (at least initially)."[44] Some archaeologists have argued that archaeological finds have failed to prove that the Huns had any "Mongoloid" features at all,[45] and some scholars have argued that the Huns were predominantly "Caucasian" in appearance.[46] Other archaeologists have argued that "Mongoloid" features are found primarily among members of the Hunnic aristocracy,[47] which, however, also included Germanic leaders who were integrated into the Hun polity.[48] Kim argues that the composition of the Huns became progressively more "Caucasian" during their time in Europe; he notes that by the Battle of Chalons (451), "the vast majority" of Attila's entourage and troops appears to have been of European origin, while Attila himself seems to have had East Asian features.[49] [...]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

Original Huns:

"Tungid"


Description:
Central Asian type that inhabits a large, sparsely populated area from the Gobi Desert to the Siberian Taiga and Tundra. Developed during the Neolithic after the retreat of the ice in nomads of the steppes. Several later expansions brought it to West Asia. The body is thickset, limbs short, skull often short and low, face broad and roundish, very flat, Mongolian folds very strong, skin light yellowish-brown, hair straight and black, body hair scarce. The very short-skulled, flat-faced, and low-skulled Gobid of the Mongolian steppes is often seen as the most typical variety. In the Siberian Taiga, a longer-headed, shorter, and even flatter-faced Baykal variety exists. Among Nivkhs of the Russian Far East, a slightly higher-faced, higher-skulled Amur-Sakhalin variety with stronger body hair is found. Turanid admixture produces an Aralid, Sinid admix a Manchu-Korean variety.

Names:
Tungid (Eickstedt, 1937. 1952; Vogel, 1974; Knussmann, 1996), Altaj (Lundman, 1988), Nord-Mongole (Vallois, 1968), Northern Asiatic (Alexeev, 1979), Altaid (Lundman, 1967), Classic Mongoloid (Hooton, 1946; Coon et al., 1950; Cole, 1965), Tungusa (Biasutti, 1967), Tungin (Lundman, 1943), Toungouzienne (Montandon, 1933), Homo s. tataturs (Erxleben, 1777), Toungouz (Deniker, 1889)

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/tungid.gif

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/tungidf.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/basic/tungidm.jpg

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Tungid.html

In modern admixed form:

"Andronovo-Turanid"


Description:
Northern Turanid variant, has probably been more widespread prior to the Tungid expansion of Hunnic, Avar, and Chasar tribes. Influenced by the old Andronovo type, possibly even early Nordids and Pontids. May be regarded as North Pamirid. Probably common in the Neolithic Samara culture. Today most common in the Kazan Tatars, but also in other Turkic people.

Physical Traits:
Light brown skin, straight or wavy brown-black hair with dark or greenish eyes. Rather tall, mesoskelic, ectomorph to mesomorph. Mildly brachycephalic, mildly hypsicranic. Leptorrhine, sometimes convex nose. Face and angle of the mandible is wide, features robust, eyes mildly slanting, body hair relatively strong, the forehead steep.

Literature:
Henkey and Horvath (1998), who investigated Kazakh, defined the type as Andronovo Turanid, Tóth (1992) found traces in Hungarians. Described as Sarmatian / Eurasian steppe type by Ginsburg (1968) and Bunak (1976), who noted presence in Kazan Tatars. Drontschilow (1915) and Battaglia (1967b) mention traces in Bulgaria. Vondernach (2008) classifies ancient Sarmatians as pred. Pamirid.

http://humanphenotypes.net/andronovoturanidm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/andronovoturanidf.jpg

http://humanphenotypes.net/andronovoturanid.gif


http://humanphenotypes.net/AndronovoTuranid.html

"Alföld"


Description:
Western Turanid subtype, named after the Alföld (Great Hungarian Plain). It developed when Huns and Magyars entered the area during the early Middle Ages and caused a blending of several regional types. Most common in Hungary, especially the Alföld plain and Transdanubia. In lower frequencies it extends across the Balkans and to Ukraine, even Northern Greece.
Physical Traits:
Fair to light reddish-brown skin with straight brown or black hair and yellowish-brown eyes. Medium height, macro- mesoskelic, endo- to ectomorph. Brachycephalic, orthocranic with a relatively large head. Large, angular skulls and a leptorrhine nose. Face not very flat, facial lines soft, but determined. Eyes mildly slanting.
Literature:
The type was mainly described by Hungarian authors (Bartucz, 1935, 1938; Kiszely, 1979; Botos, 1999). Others (Eickstedt, 1952; Lundman, 1943; Biasutti, 1967) explained it by Turanid/Aralid influence. Vondernach (2008) suggests it to be the blend of indigenous Europeans and Mongoloid migrants from Asia.

http://humanphenotypes.net/alfoeldm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/alfoeldf.jpg

http://humanphenotypes.net/alfoeld.gif

http://humanphenotypes.net/Alfoeld.html

[Komintasavalta]

There's one Hun sample from Hungary in G25. Its closest modern population are Kazakhs from China:


$ printf %s\\n aas\ 1F2rKEVtu8nWSm7qFhxPU6UESQNsmA-sl mas\ 1wZr-UOve0KUKo_Qbgeo27m-CQncZWb8y|while read l m;do curl "https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=$m" -Lso $l;done
$ dist()(awk -F, 'NR==FNR{for(i=2;i<=NF;i++)a[i]=$i;next}$1{s=0;for(i=2;i<=NF;i++)s+=($i-a[i])^2;print s^.5,$1}' "$2" "$1"|sort -n|awk '{printf"%."x"f %s\n",$1,$2}' "x=${3-3}"|sed s,^0,,)
$ dist mas <(grep HUN_Hun_elite_Antiquity aas)|head -n16
.049 Kazakh_China
.053 Altaian
.059 Khakass_Kachins
.063 Kalmyk
.063 Mongolian
.064 Kirghiz_China
.066 Kirghiz
.076 Buryat
.077 Mogush
.085 Khakass
.087 Tuvinian
.099 Kazakh
.104 Khamnegan
.108 Shor
.116 Tubalar
.116 Shor_Khakassia

[Arūnas]

R1b, fellows Bashkirs & friends
https://i.postimg.cc/4NvcNxmL/r1b.png

[Mitryejd]

one of them is Alföldi
this and this
https://alchetron.com/cdn/andreas-alfldi-89f80b75-7987-4ef2-b2bb-79aa7ea4258-resize-750.jpeg
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[TheMaestro]

one of them is Alföldi
this and this

Only because his name, that doesn't mean he is Hunic looking lol. He looks regular white, and Huns were far from whites.

[Cossack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpj92GPvZTk

[Blondie]

The Alföld type was created by hungarian ultra nationalist antropoligsts like István Kiszely for political reasons, they claimed that many slovak and romanian are just assimilated hungarians who belong this Alföld type. These Alföld "turanids" are just alpinids in the reality which type has also small eyes:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Alpinoid_Race_Caucasoid_Ripley.PNG

There is nothing asian about them, also hungarians score very minimal asian genetic. The real turanid types in Hungary belong to Andronovo-turanid, Pamirid etc and this is very rare, i would say 2-3% of hungarians are turanid.

The answer of the question is huns were mongoloid, but when they migrated to Europe they mixed with locals, so european huns were turanid, asiatic looking in general. Attila was described as a bearded guy with small asian eyes, his mother was germanic, his father was mongoloid, so he was turanid mixed for sure.

[Roy]

Hunnic woman (notice that artificially deformed head!)

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/9a/cc/79/9acc793ef636c9a65231ef1e73cbbd20.jpg

[Cossack]

The skull of a young woman (18-20 years old) from the burial ground of Zhagabulak-2, Hunno-Alan burial, ll-LV centuries AD.Phenotype:uraloid
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[Cossack]

Phenotype:nordid+сromagnid
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