How much European ancestry do Maronites have?

[Rainn]

How much European ancestry do Maronites have?

[frankhammer]

Show a little pride in your roots. Being a Maronite from the Levant is something in itself. You've held your beliefs, traditions and lands over a couple of millennia. The Jews couldn't even do that.

[Peterski]

How much European ancestry do Maronites have?

What model do you want to try? I mean, which populations should be used as MENA and which as European when modelling Maronites?

Have you tried taking a DNA test to see if you score any European ???

[Kosteece]

Minor.
You are mostly autochthonous.

[Rainn]

What model do you want to try? I mean, which populations should be used as MENA and which as European when modelling Maronites?

Have you tried taking a DNA test to see if you score any European ???

I didn’t take a test yet but it is said that European components of Maronites are usually from ancient Greeks and the Crusaders.

[Rainn]

Bump

[chinshen]

Not much for general Maronite population, but I am sure some individuals or certain families will have higher Crusader ancestry which they can probably track it down either by paper trail or at least oral history.

For those individuals it would most likely show in DNA tests even as trace ancestry since it was ages ago ( Over 500 years).

[Longbowman]

Negligible.

[Annie999]

My christian Lebanese great grandpa had european facial traits, and also light eyes and hair, so we suspected he might have been european by blood, at least partially. But our own DNA results proved he was unmistakably middle easterner. How do we know? Because my mom inherited 25% of middle eastern blood from him, and that’s about the amount a grandchild would get from a grandpa who was 100% middle easterner.

[Hamilcar]

This might help you :


However, the present-day Lebanese, in addition to their Levant_N and ancient Iranian ancestry, have a component (11%–22%) related to EHG and Steppe populations not found in Bronze Age populations (Figure 3A). We confirm the presence of this ancestry in the Lebanese by testing f4(Sidon_BA, Lebanese; Ancient Eurasian, Chimpanzee) and find that Eurasian hunter-gatherers and Steppe populations share more alleles with the Lebanese than with Sidon_BA (Figures 3B and S14).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929717302768

But these components are not necessarily associated with european influx but might have been introduced by more northern populations (from armenia/caucasus) such as the people of the Kura-araxes culture or hurrians.



We observed that the oldest individuals in our collection, from the Intermediate Bronze Age, already carried significant Zagros-related ancestry, suggesting that gene flow into the region started before ca. 2400
BCE. This is consistent with the hypothesis that people of Kura-Araxes archaeological complex of the 3rd millennium BCE might have affected the Southern Levant not only culturally, but also through some degree of movement of people.

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2020_AgranatTamir_Cell_Levant_Bronze_Age_1.pdf



Although these groups were named, likely based on designations (e.g., Amorites, Hurrians), the formative context of their (cultural) identity and their geographic origins remain debated. One recent hypothesis (Weiss, 2014, Weiss, 2017, Akar and Kara, 2020) associates the arrival of these groups with climate-forced population movement during the “4.2k BP event,” a Mega Drought that led to the abandonment of the entire Khabur river valley in Northern Mesopotamia and the search of nearby habitable areas.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420305092#sec3

[chinshen]

My christian Lebanese great grandpa had european facial traits, and also light eyes and hair, so we suspected he might have been european by blood, at least partially. But our own DNA results proved he was unmistakably middle easterner. How do we know? Because my mom inherited 25% of middle eastern blood from him, and that’s about the amount a grandchild would get from a grandpa who was 100% middle easterner.

Light skin, eyes and hair are definitely more common among Europeans and not that common among Middle Eastern populations, but that does not mean they are totally absent in the Middle East.

ME individuals with those traits doesn't necessarily mean they have any recent European ancestry, at least not from the last five to ten thousand years.

[Eline_Shamoun]

My christian Lebanese great grandpa had european facial traits, and also light eyes and hair, so we suspected he might have been european by blood, at least partially. But our own DNA results proved he was unmistakably middle easterner. How do we know? Because my mom inherited 25% of middle eastern blood from him, and that’s about the amount a grandchild would get from a grandpa who was 100% middle easterner.

That's similar to my case. I have green eyes and brown hair, although my 23andme test says I'm 100% Levantine.

[Eline_Shamoun]

Maronites are 0% European—in my DNA test, I got 100% Levantine.

[chinshen]

Maronites are 0% European—in my DNA test, I got 100% Levantine.

I got 1.1% Levantine.

[Leto]

That's similar to my case. I have green eyes and brown hair, although my 23andme test says I'm 100% Levantine.


Maronites are 0% European—in my DNA test, I got 100% Levantine.
Are you on Gedmatch? Post your Euro K13, K15, Dodecad K12b if you can.

[Eline_Shamoun]

Are you on Gedmatch? Post your Euro K13, K15, Dodecad K12b if you can.

I don't know how to use this site. Any tutorials?

[Leto]

I don't know how to use this site. Any tutorials?
I'm sure there's one on Gedmatch.com. But it's very simple — download your raw data from 23andme, go to Gedmatch, sign up there, click upload data or something like that and check the necessary options.

[Noah Pritchett]

Green eyes are great.

[Noah Pritchett]

lol tbh I wish I had green eyes. Green already is my favorite color.

[Noah Pritchett]

sending replies and messages is very weird and kinda hard on this app. Ill stick with If you have time I left some messages. God bless.

[Noah Pritchett]

Eline don't worry. I don't know how to use this site either XD

[happycow]

0%

[pompandy]

They are around 1/4 Greek.
Source?
"Beirut_IA included individuals from the Iron Age II and Iron Age III periods and can be modeled as a mixture of the local Bronze Age population and a population related to ancient Anatolians or ancient South-Eastern Europeans."

"We found that significant genetic changes that were marked by an increase in Eurasian ancestry related to ancient Europeans and ancient Central Asians occurred after the Bronze Age and starting from the Iron Age II (Figure S7A). We did not observe significant genetic differences between the Iron Age II and Iron Age III populations in this test (Figure S7), and thus, we merged our samples from these two periods into one population (Figure S7C) and used qpAdm (see Supplemental Methods) to explore possible Iron Age admixture models (Tables 2 and S7). We found that the Lebanese Iron Age population can be modeled as a mixture of the local Bronze Age population (63%–88%) and a population related to ancient Anatolians or ancient South-Eastern Europeans (12%–37%) (Table 2 and Figure 2.... showed that a Steppe-like ancestry, typically found in Europeans, appears in the Near East starting from the Iron Age II (Figure 2D). A potential source of this exogenous ancestry could be the Sea Peoples, a seafaring group of people with a disputed origin who attacked the Eastern Mediterranean and Egypt after the Bronze Age (1200–900 BCE). One of our successful models for admixture involved an ancestry source related to the Ashkelon (a city situated ∼170 miles south of the Beirut sites) Iron Age I population, which was previously identified as possibly descending from Sea-Peoples-related admixture."

Ironically this blood comes before the Greek and Roman conquests of the Levant.

[Jased]

Maronites are 0% European—in my DNA test, I got 100% Levantine.


You look very Greek to me and also beautiful cheers my friend.:thumb001: