View Full Version : Poll: Classify/passify Moldovans from the 2020 Olympics Team
Ion Basescul
07-19-2021, 03:08 PM
These are the athletes who will represent us at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. It's mostly composed of Moldovans/Romanians, but also some Ukrainians, Russians, and Gagauz/Bulgarians.
Moldovans/Romanians
1) Nisporeni (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/tOhhLUD.jpg
2) Straseni (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/VFUeK4f.png
3) Chisinau (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/w41Izr0.png
4) Anenii Noi (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/pc6SjQ2.png
5) Chisinau (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/iw8euAJ.png
6) Chisinau (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/wIorxp5.png
7) Hincesti (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/5V0mcaF.png
8) Causeni (Southern Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/bdVUufd.png
9) Hincesti (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/sr7J6oy.png
10) Chisinau (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/ALBH2nk.png
11) Floresti (Northern Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/xQQm7VI.png
12) Tiraspol (Transnistria)
https://i.imgur.com/HlrUUPI.png
13) Chisinau (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/6N9i9fr.png
Ethnic minorities
14) Chisinau (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/13LXEBH.png
15) Chisinau (Central Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/UpxMQfw.png
16) Gagauzia (Southern Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/gfYBzay.png
17) Leova (Southern Moldova)
https://i.imgur.com/hwQJCrl.png
18) Vladikavkaz (Russia)
https://i.imgur.com/cA0NarW.png
19) Vladikavkaz (Russia)
https://i.imgur.com/Y3caJAN.png
20) Tiraspol (Transnistria)
https://i.imgur.com/HIHx8J8.png
Zhulta
07-19-2021, 03:19 PM
some look mongoloid influenced to me (mostly Turanid), some of these women are really cute.
Hektor12
07-19-2021, 03:32 PM
Most of them pass here, if not all. Anna DULCE looks standart girl from my neighborhood.
Ion Basescul
07-19-2021, 03:38 PM
Most of them pass here, if not all. Anna DULCE looks standart girl from my neighborhood.
I thought she kind of looked Roma/Gypsy admixed, but you can't deduce that from the surname. In some photos she is dark, and I don't know if it's from sunbathing or natural. Also, maybe it's from the camera, but I don't know any Moldovan/Romanian with clear black eyes like in her case. Most with dark eyes have varying shades of brown, and you can easily see the brown part as opposed to the black pupil.
https://i.imgur.com/0rUU11r.png
ixulescu
07-19-2021, 03:48 PM
Moldovans fit better in Romania and Bulgaria, and ethnic minorities in Ukraine and Russia. However, there is a minority in both groups that fits better the other way around.
Hektor12
07-19-2021, 03:51 PM
I thought she kind of looked Roma/Gypsy admixed, but you can't deduce that from the surname. In some photos she is dark, and I don't know if it's from sunbathing or natural. Also, maybe it's from the camera, but I don't know any Moldovan/Romanian with clear black eyes like in her case. Most with dark eyes have varying shades of brown, and you can easily see the brown part as opposed to the black pupil.Imo its not roma. Her mouth area looking a little bit off but her eye area screams Turan. (: There are 2 types of girls here: fair and dark. She looks like the dark standart girl with Turanid component. Perhaps its "gedrosia" component from k12b? But western europeans also have that? I really dont know.
For skin, i recommend you this video :D an old man from eastern Anatolia.
https://youtu.be/G1LODAOtKgk
Ion Basescul
07-19-2021, 03:58 PM
Moldovans fit better in Romania and Bulgaria, and ethnic minorities in Ukraine and Russia. However, there is a minority in both groups that fits better the other way around.
Yes, I thought that Cilcic, Petrivskaya, Marghiev and Fisikovici from the minorities group could fit easily as Moldovans. Tarnovschi and Sancov too, but they are less typical for a Moldovan/Romanian. In a crowd nobody would bat an eye.
Emilianov though has very clear East Asian/Siberian influences of Uralid type, which are are different from the local East Asian/Siberian Turanid type.
Komintasavalta
07-19-2021, 03:58 PM
The canoe sprint girl looks pretty VUR:
https://infoicf.msl.es/webICF/img/bios/photos/0000075588.jpg
This ADMIXTURE run was interesting because two Moldovan samples got about 30-35% of the VUR component:
https://i.ibb.co/QCWnd9n/ternary-admixture-moldova.jpg
When I did another run without the VUR and Saami samples, two Moldovan samples got about 40% of the component that was maximal in Vepsians and Arkhangelsk Russians:
https://i.ibb.co/XV1zqk3/moldova-ternary-3.jpg
Nurzat
07-19-2021, 04:00 PM
Anna Dulce is so cute. her last name means "Sweet", which is also an unusual last name. her looks aren't common either but you do see such faces every now and then. maybe some extra Ottoman/Persian/Indian, who knows. good luck to all at the Olympics! I support Moldova over Romania xD of course I support Romania as well, but Moldova first, because of the name xD
Ion Basescul
07-19-2021, 04:01 PM
The canoe sprint girl looks pretty VUR:
https://infoicf.msl.es/webICF/img/bios/photos/0000075588.jpg
This ADMIXTURE run was interesting because two Moldovan samples got about 30-35% of the VUR component:
https://i.ibb.co/QCWnd9n/ternary-admixture-moldova.jpg
When I did another run without the VUR ans Saami samples, two Moldovan samples got about 40% of the component that was maximal in Vepsians and Arkhangelsk Russians:
https://i.ibb.co/XV1zqk3/moldova-ternary-3.jpg
Which samples are those? I mean it's pretty obvious that if you have 30 samples and 2-3 are significantly removed from the average, then something is foreign in their ancestry. Right now in Moldova 20% of the population are ethnic minorities, and very likely way more if you consider assimilation/integration.
Ion Basescul
07-19-2021, 04:03 PM
Anna Dulce is so cute. her last name means "Sweet", which is also an unusual last name. her looks aren't common either but you do see such faces every now and then. maybe some extra Ottoman/Persian/Indian, who knows. good luck to all at the Olympics! I support Moldova over Romania xD of course I support Romania as well, but Moldova first, because of the name xD
It's not a common surname.
In Moldova it occurs here:
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area
Chișinău Municipality
33
1:23,717
3,602
Ungheni District
24
1:4,871
940
Florești District
15
1:5,986
1,047
Cahul District
10
1:12,404
2,028
Anenii Noi District
1
1:82,583
2,676
Călărași District
1
1:78,973
2,514
Cimișlia District
1
1:61,962
2,110
Edineț District
1
1:82,336
3,813
Fălești District
1
1:92,297
2,289
Hīncești District
1
1:121,682
2,014
Ialoveni District
1
1:98,888
1,818
Strășeni District
1
1:91,211
1,964
And in Romania here:
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area
Călărași County
145
1:2,105
361
Prahova County
95
1:7,985
1,121
Bucharest Municipality
41
1:45,777
5,306
Constanța County
35
1:19,508
3,364
Iași County
28
1:27,475
4,229
Gorj County
4
1:85,206
4,343
Botoșani County
1
1:411,106
4,185
Vālcea County
1
1:370,256
4,382
Komintasavalta
07-19-2021, 04:55 PM
Which samples are those? I mean it's pretty obvious that if you have 30 samples and 2-3 are significantly removed from the average, then something is foreign in their ancestry. Right now in Moldova 20% of the population are ethnic minorities, and very likely way more if you consider assimilation/integration.
There were only 8 Moldovan samples in the runs I posted. There are a total of 10 samples with the population name "Moldavian" in the 1240K+HO dataset, but I included at most 8 samples per population in the runs I posted. I hadn't saved the files of the earlier runs, but when I did a new run that included all 10 samples, the three samples that got the highest percentage of the Volga-Ural component were MOL-005 (36%), MOL-015 (33%), and MOL-069 (33%). The location of all 10 samples with the population name "Moldavian" was listed as "Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani". The source of the samples is Jeong et al. 2019 ("The genetic history of admixture across inner Eurasia") (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31036896/).
On G25, there's also a pretty huge level of diversity among the Moldovan samples. This shows a secondary PCA based on scaled G25 coordinates:
https://i.ibb.co/zs8HMQW/a.png
Ion Basescul
07-19-2021, 05:11 PM
There were only 8 Moldovan samples in the runs I posted. There are a total of 10 samples with the population name "Moldavian" in the 1240K+HO dataset, but I included at most 8 samples per population in the runs I posted. I hadn't saved the files of the earlier runs, but when I did a new run that included all 10 samples, the three samples that got the highest percentage of the Volga-Ural component were MOL-005 (36%), MOL-015 (33%), and MOL-069 (33%). The location of all 10 samples with the population name "Moldavian" was listed as "Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani". The source of the samples is Jeong et al. 2019 ("The genetic history of admixture across inner Eurasia") (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31036896/).
On G25, there's also a pretty huge level of diversity among the Moldovan samples. This shows a secondary PCA based on scaled G25 coordinates:
These are them in K13
F. Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
MOL-005
21.01
25.42
16.62
11.92
18.51
4.11
0.58
0
0
0
0.50
0.51
0.82
MOL-015
18.27
19.97
19.01
15.32
19.44
4.68
0.12
1.50
0.68
0.54
0
0
0.48
MOL-069
26.39
24.34
17.44
13.21
12.41
4.18
0
0.31
0.71
0
0.89
0
0.12
MOL-15 is the most Southern sample from Moldova labelled as Moldovan/Romanian that I have seen.
How do they score the Volga-Ural component if all of them score less East Asian/Siberian than the majority of Moldovans/Romanians? I am at the higher end scoring 4.6% for example.
Satem
07-20-2021, 02:59 PM
Alexandra Emilianov is my nightmare, no eyelids and square head, East Baltid predator
Davy Jones's Locker
08-18-2021, 01:39 PM
Moldovans/Romanians
Of the basic types (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?11365-What-does-a-basic-racial-typology-describe-in-Europe), I think Alpine and Mediterranean are dominant. The minorities look noticeably different.
Aaron Cook didn't make it huh.:swl
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