Haplogroup E-M84

[Avgvstvs]

Can someone give further explanation of this specific subclade?
It seems my Y-DNA is E-M84 (Nicolas Cage too).

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[Ayetooey]

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/natufians-dna/dna-results

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M84/

Google seems to say its a mena/Semitic subclade of E1b but I am no E1b expert.

[Avgvstvs]

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/natufians-dna/dna-results

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M84/

Google seems to say its a mena/Semitic subclade of E1b but I am no E1b expert.I knew that J1 is typical semitic, is that right?

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[Ayetooey]

I knew that J1 is typical semitic, is that right?

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Yeah J1 is very common among Arabs. E1b can be European, Mena or African.

[Avgvstvs]

Yeah J1 is very common among Arabs. E1b can be European, Mena or African.Yeah

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[Hamilcar]

It's a middle eastern haplogroup probably brought in Italy by Jews/levantines who were common in italy during the Imperial era.

[Ayetooey]

It's a middle eastern haplogroup probably brought in Italy by Jews/levantines who were common in italy during the Imperial era.

If this is a typical "mena" subclade of E1b then yes probably a Romanized Levantine.

[Avgvstvs]

If this is a typical "mena" subclade of E1b then yes probably a Romanized Levantine.Levantine≠ semitic or not?

Explain, i usually don't use the two terms as interchangeable, but I want to know your opinion.

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[Ayetooey]

Levantine≠ semitic or not?

Explain, i usually don't use the two terms as interchangeable, but I want to know your opinion.

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Yes, possibly Phoenician or even Jewish, but you'd need to test further to have a better indication.

[Avgvstvs]

Yes, possibly Phoenician or even Jewish, but you'd need to test further to have a better indication.How can i?


You know i used Myheritage raw data which is the worst imo, so if you have any suggestions feel free to give them.

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[Ayetooey]

How can i?


You know i used Myheritage raw data which is the worst imo, so if you have any suggestions feel free to give them.

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Ftdna Y dna tests are probably the best way if you want to test deeper.

https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/870706423904997417/unknown.png

[Avgvstvs]

Ftdna Y dna tests are probably the best way if you want to test deeper.

https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/870706423904997417/unknown.pngNice.


Do you think haplogroup is that important? I consider the datas that Gedmatch provides you to be more important, to determine a genetic profile.

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[Ayetooey]

Nice.


Do you think haplogroup is that important? I consider the datas that Gedmatch provides you to be more important, to determine a genetic profile.

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Autosomal dna is more important to your overall genome and identity. Y dna is more of a niche hobby, I find it interesting personally but not everyone does.

[Avgvstvs]

Autosomal dna is more important to your overall genome and identity. Y dna is more of a niche hobby, I find it interesting personally but not everyone does.With autosomal you refer to Gedmatch matter?

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[Hamilcar]

If this is a typical "mena" subclade of E1b then yes probably a Romanized Levantine.

I know an algerian kabyle under E-m84 but yes it's most probably levantine.

[Avgvstvs]

I know an algerian kabyle under E-m84 but yes it's most probably levantine.Also Nicolas Cage is E-M84 [emoji38]

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[Ayetooey]

I know an algerian kabyle under E-m84 but yes it's most probably levantine.

Is E-m84 among North Africans native or from Semites? If the former then it could also be a Romanized North African lineage in the OP's case.

[Hamilcar]

Levantine≠ semitic or not?

Explain, i usually don't use the two terms as interchangeable, but I want to know your opinion.

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"semitic" is a linguistic term but yes most levantines throughout their history spoke semitic dialects.

[Ayetooey]

With autosomal you refer to Gedmatch matter?

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Yeah gedmatch + commercial test results (23andme, myheritage, etc).

[Avgvstvs]

"semitic" is a linguistic term but yes most levantines throughout their history spoke semitic dialects.Indeed I was a little resentful to use that word, since it is indeed linguistic, but with that I mean original and ethnic arabs(Arabian peninsula) different than levantines.

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[Avgvstvs]

Yeah gedmatch + commercial test results (23andme, myheritage, etc).My Myheritage result have some minor yet notable differences with what Gedmatch says(i think the latter is more trustworthy)

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[Hamilcar]

Is E-m84 among North Africans native or from Semites? If the former then it could also be a Romanized North African lineage in the OP's case.

It would be really difficult to tell since 2200 years ago the maghreb went through a massive founder effect with E-M81 which erased the previous diversity (without taking E into account this early diversity can be seen among guanches who had r1b, J1, I, K and even P)

[Ayetooey]

It would be really difficult to tell since 2200 years ago the maghreb went through a massive founder effect with E-M81 which erased the previous diversity (without taking E into account this early diversity can be seen among guanches who had r1b, J1, I, K and even P)

I and R1b, very interesting.

[Benyzero]

Ancestral marker of ancient gay people

[Avgvstvs]

Ancestral marker of ancient gay peopleExplain.

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[walid]

You should know your sub clade to get an idea about your paternal line origin

test deeper with a yseq panel

https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=51238

or wgs

https://nebula.org/whole-genome-sequencing-dna-test/

[Avgvstvs]

You should know your sub clade to get an idea about your paternal line origin

test deeper with a yseq panel

https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=51238

or wgs

https://nebula.org/whole-genome-sequencing-dna-test/Let me check if I can find more about it

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[Flashball]

No, you have different subclade of J1, some are european and come from Neolithic Anatolian.

[Avgvstvs]

No, you have different subclade of J1, some are european and come from Neolithic Anatolian.And what about my haplo?

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[Voskos]

E-M84 arrived from Egypt through Eastern Turkey in the Bronze Age.

[Avgvstvs]

E-M84 arrived from Egypt through Eastern Turkey in the Bronze Age.I found a lot of different and confused stuff about that haplo, so i don't really know

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[mashail]

I am not expert but what ik that E-M84 was originated in horn Africa and nowadays its very common in Jordan and Egypt and whole NA and in smaller portion in Lebanon and Palestine.
Semites in levant the majority are from J2,J1, E-M84.
but the semites of Arabia they are from J1.
J1 originated in the Caucasus region and its very common in Arabia and Iraq and even in some regions in syria it reaches as high as 55%.

[Avgvstvs]

I am not expert but what ik that E-M84 was originated in horn Africa and nowadays its very common in Jordan and Egypt and whole NA and in smaller portion in Lebanon and Palestine.
Semites in levant the majority are from J2,J1, E-M84.
but the semites of Arabia they are from J1.
J1 originated in the Caucasus region and its very common in Arabia and Iraq and even in some regions in syria it reaches as high as 55%.Is E-M84 more common among jews than among arabians, which are mostly J1?

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[mashail]

Is E-M84 more common among jews than among arabians, which are mostly J1?
It seems like jews from EM84 there ancestors came from North Africa to levant and Europe.
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[Avgvstvs]

Ok but, were those ancestors native north africans or not?

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