Classify very European looking Tajik girl

[Oliver109]

She looks like she could pass easily in a lot of northern and eastern Europe i think look at 5 mins in the video , classify?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNp3Um030oc&t=94s

[Zeus]

I can't get a good look at her, but she does look Russian/slavic influenced, which wouldn't be surprising given the history of Russian migration and influence in Tajikistan and Central Asia.

[Oliver109]

I can't get a good look at her, but she does look Russian/slavic influenced, which wouldn't be surprising given the history of Russian migration and influence in Tajikistan and Central Asia.

Maybe, am not aware of how high the migration from Russia is to there, don't see any Baltic types which may suggest that few came from Russia or at least western Russia.

[Arūnas]

:picard2:

[Komintasavalta]

My neighbor talked about how when he lived in Moscow, he had a coworker who was Tajik. I told him that Finns are genetically closer to Tajiks than to some Southern Europeans, and he didn't seem surprised at all, because he said that he had read about how the majority of Finnish males have an East Eurasian Y-DNA lineage. (Actually I haven't interacted with Finns that much since the 00s, but back then it wasn't yet common knowledge that Finns are genetically semi-Mongoloid. So it's cool how it has now become more a part of Finnish identity.)

In a global K=3 ADMIXTURE run, Tajiks had about 17% of an East Eurasian component, which was similar to the level in Mishar Tatars:

0 90 10 Veps
0 90 10 Kabardinian
0 90 10 Abazin
1 87 12 Russian_Archangelsk_Pinezhsky
3 85 12 Makrani
0 86 13 Balochi
2 85 14 Brahui
0 86 14 Turkish_Balikesir
0 85 15 Russian_Archangelsk_Leshukonsky
0 84 16 Tatar_Mishar
0 83 17 Tajik
0 82 18 Kalash
0 80 20 Pathan
0 79 21 Tatar_Kazan
0 77 23 Chuvash
1 76 23 Sindhi_Pakistan
0 76 24 GujaratiA
1 74 25 Jew_Cochin
0 75 25 Besermyan
0 74 26 Nogai_Karachay_Cherkessia
0 73 27 Udmurt

But based on F2 distance, Finns are still much closer to Mishars than to Tajiks, because Mishars have much more Northern European ancestry, and their Mongoloid ancestry is also more Siberian:


$ Rscript -e 'library(admixtools);f=f2("v44.3_HO_public",c("Assyrian","Bashkir","Basque","Chuvash","Circassian","Cypriot","Finnish","Greek","Iranian","Italian_North","Italian_South","Maltese","Norwegian","Pathan","Sardinian","Scottish","Sicilian","Spanish_North","Tajik","Tatar_Kazan","Tatar_Mishar","Turkish","Turkmen","Uzbek"),unique_only=F);s=f[f$pop1=="Finnish",2:3];s=s[order(s$est),];cat(paste(sprintf("%.4f",s$est),s$pop2),sep="\n")'
0.0000 Finnish
0.0018 Norwegian
0.0020 Tatar_Mishar
0.0020 Tatar_Kazan
0.0027 Scottish
0.0029 Chuvash
0.0030 Italian_North
0.0032 Greek
0.0036 Spanish_North
0.0037 Italian_South
0.0039 Bashkir
0.0039 Sicilian
0.0040 Turkish
0.0042 Tajik
0.0042 Circassian
0.0045 Maltese
0.0045 Basque
0.0052 Iranian
0.0056 Cypriot
0.0057 Uzbek
0.0060 Pathan
0.0060 Turkmen
0.0061 Sardinian
0.0063 Assyrian

[Immanenz]

did not find that "European looking" girl but this group is almost univocally Paleo Atlantic anyway.

[Seya]

I can't see any "very European" looking girl. They all look Tajik to me but individually all of them can pass here.

[mitalit]

https://i.gyazo.com/be752a1cded707f3dd9d59e8abc2feeb.png
https://i.gyazo.com/8639dabf0685d16880df0344827c2d13.png

[placebo]

where is she? i only see ordinary tajiks.

[Cernunnos]

Aren't Tajiks like 20-30% Yamnaya?

[Oliver109]

where is she? i only see ordinary tajiks.

In the post above yours, does she look Tajik?

[Creoda]

Hard to describe why but this thread gave me a good laugh :laugh:

[placebo]

In the post above yours, does she look Tajik?

yeah. she looks quite eastern imo.

[Oliver109]

yeah. she looks quite eastern imo.

If you say though her features and complexion look rather Caucasian.

[GoalPoacher]

If you say though her features and complexion look rather Caucasian.

She looks Caucasian for sure. Can pass as Dagestani, Kabardian, Osetian etc

[aherne]

There is one guy (person on the left) that looks "Indo-European" (East Slav in particular):

https://youtu.be/wNp3Um030oc?t=330

Russian spectator?

[Norb]

Doesn't pass as Germanic English

[Ion Basescul]

My neighbor talked about how when he lived in Moscow, he had a coworker who was Tajik. I told him that Finns are genetically closer to Tajiks than to some Southern Europeans, and he didn't seem surprised at all, because he said that he had read about how the majority of Finnish males have an East Eurasian Y-DNA lineage. (Actually I haven't interacted with Finns that much since the 00s, but back then it wasn't yet common knowledge that Finns are genetically semi-Mongoloid. So it's cool how it has now become more a part of Finnish identity.)

In a global K=3 ADMIXTURE run, Tajiks had about 17% of an East Eurasian component, which was similar to the level in Mishar Tatars:

0 90 10 Veps
0 90 10 Kabardinian
0 90 10 Abazin
1 87 12 Russian_Archangelsk_Pinezhsky
3 85 12 Makrani
0 86 13 Balochi
2 85 14 Brahui
0 86 14 Turkish_Balikesir
0 85 15 Russian_Archangelsk_Leshukonsky
0 84 16 Tatar_Mishar
0 83 17 Tajik
0 82 18 Kalash
0 80 20 Pathan
0 79 21 Tatar_Kazan
0 77 23 Chuvash
1 76 23 Sindhi_Pakistan
0 76 24 GujaratiA
1 74 25 Jew_Cochin
0 75 25 Besermyan
0 74 26 Nogai_Karachay_Cherkessia
0 73 27 Udmurt

But based on F2 distance, Finns are still much closer to Mishars than to Tajiks, because Mishars have much more Northern European ancestry, and their Mongoloid ancestry is also more Siberian:


$ Rscript -e 'library(admixtools);f=f2("v44.3_HO_public",c("Assyrian","Bashkir","Basque","Chuvash","Circassian","Cypriot","Finnish","Greek","Iranian","Italian_North","Italian_South","Maltese","Norwegian","Pathan","Sardinian","Scottish","Sicilian","Spanish_North","Tajik","Tatar_Kazan","Tatar_Mishar","Turkish","Turkmen","Uzbek"),unique_only=F);s=f[f$pop1=="Finnish",2:3];s=s[order(s$est),];cat(paste(sprintf("%.4f",s$est),s$pop2),sep="\n")'
0.0000 Finnish
0.0018 Norwegian
0.0020 Tatar_Mishar
0.0020 Tatar_Kazan
0.0027 Scottish
0.0029 Chuvash
0.0030 Italian_North
0.0032 Greek
0.0036 Spanish_North
0.0037 Italian_South
0.0039 Bashkir
0.0039 Sicilian
0.0040 Turkish
0.0042 Tajik
0.0042 Circassian
0.0045 Maltese
0.0045 Basque
0.0052 Iranian
0.0056 Cypriot
0.0057 Uzbek
0.0060 Pathan
0.0060 Turkmen
0.0061 Sardinian
0.0063 Assyrian

There is East Asian or Siberian admixture in Finns, but calling semi-mongoloid is a stretch. Semi means half after all.

[Austrvegr]

There is one guy (person on the left) that looks "Indo-European" (East Slav in particular):

https://youtu.be/wNp3Um030oc?t=330

Russian spectator?

He looks like a member of the family with a more European look.

[Seya]

If you say though her features and complexion look rather Caucasian.

Tajiks look mostly Caucasian, if you mean racially. There are many Uzbeks and also some Kyrgyz living there. But the ethnic Tajiks look similar to the Afghans for the most part.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1edfe6226e69c0746458cfa3b99aefab-c
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https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1d9ea3693f36627b45fa44cb7545e103
https://live.staticflickr.com/1837/42901492965_67ae450d37_b.jpg
https://www.caa-network.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/DSC_0109.jpg

[aherne]

Tajiks look mostly Caucasian, if you mean racially. There are many Uzbeks and also some Kyrgyz living there. But the ethnic Tajiks look similar to the Afghans for the most part.

You managed to pick groups without Turanid influence. That's quite an achievement: average Tajiks have strong Turkic influence, far more than Anatolian Turks

[Seya]

You managed to pick groups without Turanid influence. That's quite an achievement: average Tajiks have strong Turkic influence, far more than Anatolian Turks

No. Tajiks are iranics. They do have some asian admixture but it doesn't show most of the times. There is an Uzbek minority there as well. A Kyrgyz one too. Tajiks look similar to Afghans. If you imagine them being asian looking, then you're wrong.

[aherne]

No. Tajiks are iranics. They do have some asian admixture but it doesn't show most of the times. There is an Uzbek minority there as well. A Kyrgyz one too. Tajiks look similar to Afghans. If you imagine them being asian looking, then you're wrong.

Allow me to disagree:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D35R8C/tajiks-gather-in-the-center-of-somonion-the-administrative-seat-of-D35R8C.jpg

If you look at random tajik pictures, Turanid element is super common (while not dominant)


Recent DNA studies in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan have shown no notable genetic difference between modern Uzbeks and Tajiks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks

[Seya]

Allow me to disagree:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D35R8C/tajiks-gather-in-the-center-of-somonion-the-administrative-seat-of-D35R8C.jpg

If you look at random tajik pictures, Turanid element is super common (while not dominant)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks

And you're telling me about cherry-picking...
Yes, some have obvious turanid features, most of them look just like the afghans, similar to the people in that video. I've been there a few times. I know what I'm talking about.