They updated my Advanced Ancestry Analysis at YourDNAPortal

[JamesBond007]

Eurasia I did not do Pangea .Only the modern updated. It seems to me this more cutting edge than G25 , hence, 'better' :



Second Oracle :


https://i.postimg.cc/HkkYbjzh/Polish-20210804-111044604.png

Third Oracle Run :

https://i.postimg.cc/FsqWVBVX/Polish-20210804-111143277.png

Fourth Oracle Run :

This mathematical setting divides your genome into 2 parts, with each fragment representing half of your genome. This setting is very useful for both highly mixed and more homogenous ethnicities. This approach gives a very reliable, albeit generalised, interpretation of one's ethnicity.

Populations
Groningen
Groningen : 50%
Groningen is the capital city and main municipality of Groningen province in the Netherlands. It is the largest city in the north of the Netherlands. As of December 2020, it had 233,218 inhabitants. It has a land area of 168.93 km2 (65.22 sq mi), and a total area, including water, of 180.21 km2 (69.58 sq mi). Its population density is 1,367 residents per km2 (3,540 per square mile). On 1 January 2019, it was merged with the municipalities of Ten Boer and Haren. The Groningen-Assen metropolitan area has about half a million inhabitants. Groningen is a university city, and students comprise an estimated 25% of its total population. Groningen was established more than 950 years ago. Historically, it was a semi-independent city-state, a member of the Hanseatic League, and the dominant regional power in the north of the Netherlands.

Wales
Wales : 50%
Wales (Welsh: Cymru [ˈkəm.rɨ] KUM-ree) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom. It is bordered by England to the east, the Irish Sea to the north and west, and the Bristol Channel to the south.

[oszkar07]

Glad you enjoyed it.
I cant blieve I bothered paying that much for both West Eurasia and Pangea ...ridiculously expensive for what they give.
In fact mine just looks like a dressed up version of my K13.
The computation was so quick that Im sure they use a calculator that is probably on the level of some type of gedmatch or vahuedo K13 . They just make it look more fancy with the graphs and wikipedia region articles .
nice job ydna P , you swindled me outta $ on your waaay overpriced Advanced Ancestry (fancied up K13) this time, but never again.

[Grace O'Malley]

They are all just calculators so how are they cutting edge? They are never going to be accurate. For instance even if you are 100% of an ethnicity calculators will also give you some ethnicity which you don't have ancestry from. At least it does show that I have Irish. I've come to the conclusion that these results can show if you have a southern, northern or eastern pull relative to your ethnicity. You don't take them literally. :p

It does appear to be like Eurogenes K13 as oszkar7 mentioned above.

https://i.imgur.com/zNqL4fm.png
https://i.imgur.com/S5w5wB7.png
https://i.imgur.com/5WM7l76.png
https://i.imgur.com/FZy1h9Z.png

Pangea Modern First Run

https://i.imgur.com/ZkBbpZw.png

Ireland : 43.75%
Ireland (/ˈaɪərlənd/ ; Irish: Éire [ˈeːɾʲə] ; Ulster-Scots: Airlann [ˈɑːrlən]) is an island in the North Atlantic. It is separated from Great Britain to its east by the North Channel, the Irish Sea, and St George's Channel. Ireland is the second-largest island of the British Isles, the third-largest in Europe, and the twentieth-largest on Earth.

England
England : 25%
England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom. It shares land borders with Wales to its west and Scotland to its north. The Irish Sea lies northwest of England and the Celtic Sea to the southwest. England is separated from continental Europe by the North Sea to the east and the English Channel to the south. The country covers five-eighths of the island of Great Britain, which lies in the North Atlantic, and includes over 100 smaller islands, such as the Isles of Scilly and the Isle of Wight.

Schleswig-Holstein
Schleswig-Holstein : 12.5%
Schleswig-Holstein (German: [ˈʃleːsvɪç ˈhɔlʃtaɪn]) is the northernmost of the 16 states of Germany, comprising most of the historical duchy of Holstein and the southern part of the former Duchy of Schleswig. Its capital city is Kiel; other notable cities are Lübeck and Flensburg.

Sweden
Sweden : 12.5%
Sweden (/ˈswiː.dən/; Swedish: Sverige [ˈsvæ̌rjɛ] (listen)), officially the Kingdom of Sweden (Swedish: Konungariket Sverige [ˈkôːnɵŋaˌriːkɛt ˈsvæ̌rjɛ] ), is a Nordic country in Northern Europe. It borders Norway to the west and north, Finland to the east, and is connected to Denmark in the southwest by a bridge-tunnel across the Öresund Strait. At 450,295 square kilometres (173,860 sq mi), Sweden is the largest country in Northern Europe, the third-largest country in the European Union, and the fifth largest country in Europe.

Orkney
Orkney : 6.25%
Orkney (/ˈɔːrkni/; Scots: Orkney; Old Norse: Orkneyjar; Norn: Orknøjar), also known as the Orkney Islands, is an archipelago in the Northern Isles of Scotland, situated off the north coast of the island of Great Britain. Orkney is 10 miles (16 km) north of the coast of Caithness and has about 70 islands, of which 20 are inhabited. The largest island, Mainland, is often referred to as "the Mainland", and has an area of 523 square kilometres (202 sq mi), making it the sixth-largest Scottish island and the tenth-largest island in the British Isles.

Third Oracle Run

Ireland : 50%
North_Sea : 25%
England : 12.5%
Schleswig-Holstein : 12.5%

Fourth Run

https://i.imgur.com/fxlAEsZ.png

So these results need to be taken with a pinch of salt. Of course my ancestry is all Northwestern Europe so when you look at it like that it's not too bad.

[oszkar07]

They are all just calculators so how are they cutting edge? They are never going to be accurate. For instance even if you are 100% of an ethnicity calculators will also give you some ethnicity which you don't have ancestry from. At least it does show that I have Irish. I've come to the conclusion that these results can show if you have a southern, northern or eastern pull relative to your ethnicity. You don't take them literally. :p

It does appear to be like Eurogenes K13 as oszkar7 mentioned above.

https://i.imgur.com/zNqL4fm.png
https://i.imgur.com/S5w5wB7.png
https://i.imgur.com/5WM7l76.png
https://i.imgur.com/FZy1h9Z.png

Pangea Modern First Run

https://i.imgur.com/ZkBbpZw.png

Ireland : 43.75%
Ireland (/ˈaɪərlənd/ ; Irish: Éire [ˈeːɾʲə] ; Ulster-Scots: Airlann [ˈɑːrlən]) is an island in the North Atlantic. It is separated from Great Britain to its east by the North Channel, the Irish Sea, and St George's Channel. Ireland is the second-largest island of the British Isles, the third-largest in Europe, and the twentieth-largest on Earth.

England
England : 25%
England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom. It shares land borders with Wales to its west and Scotland to its north. The Irish Sea lies northwest of England and the Celtic Sea to the southwest. England is separated from continental Europe by the North Sea to the east and the English Channel to the south. The country covers five-eighths of the island of Great Britain, which lies in the North Atlantic, and includes over 100 smaller islands, such as the Isles of Scilly and the Isle of Wight.

Schleswig-Holstein
Schleswig-Holstein : 12.5%
Schleswig-Holstein (German: [ˈʃleːsvɪç ˈhɔlʃtaɪn]) is the northernmost of the 16 states of Germany, comprising most of the historical duchy of Holstein and the southern part of the former Duchy of Schleswig. Its capital city is Kiel; other notable cities are Lübeck and Flensburg.

Sweden
Sweden : 12.5%
Sweden (/ˈswiː.dən/; Swedish: Sverige [ˈsvæ̌rjɛ] (listen)), officially the Kingdom of Sweden (Swedish: Konungariket Sverige [ˈkôːnɵŋaˌriːkɛt ˈsvæ̌rjɛ] ), is a Nordic country in Northern Europe. It borders Norway to the west and north, Finland to the east, and is connected to Denmark in the southwest by a bridge-tunnel across the Öresund Strait. At 450,295 square kilometres (173,860 sq mi), Sweden is the largest country in Northern Europe, the third-largest country in the European Union, and the fifth largest country in Europe.

Orkney
Orkney : 6.25%
Orkney (/ˈɔːrkni/; Scots: Orkney; Old Norse: Orkneyjar; Norn: Orknøjar), also known as the Orkney Islands, is an archipelago in the Northern Isles of Scotland, situated off the north coast of the island of Great Britain. Orkney is 10 miles (16 km) north of the coast of Caithness and has about 70 islands, of which 20 are inhabited. The largest island, Mainland, is often referred to as "the Mainland", and has an area of 523 square kilometres (202 sq mi), making it the sixth-largest Scottish island and the tenth-largest island in the British Isles.

Third Oracle Run

Ireland : 50%
North_Sea : 25%
England : 12.5%
Schleswig-Holstein : 12.5%

Fourth Run

https://i.imgur.com/fxlAEsZ.png

So these results need to be taken with a pinch of salt. Of course my ancestry is all Northwestern Europe so when you look at it like that it's not too bad.

I worked out its a similiar calc/programme to K13 because I recognised the very specific pops I get in K13 oracles eg one example smaller amounts of middle east pops that almost no other calc assigns me but K13 as it models that from Red Sea score. Also the runs on this are like Vahuedo K13 or G25 like when you start with no ADC you get more populations then as you go 0.25, 0.5, 1, 2 ,eventually you end up with 2 populations , so this seems like a similiar programme. I think just with more or different samples. Otherwise not much different.
Mine computed so quickly that its obviously a Gedmatch or Vahuedo type calc they use , nice how they charge near $ 35 AUD for it.

[JamesBond007]

I worked out its a similiar calc/programme to K13 because I recognised the very specific pops I get in K13 oracles eg one example smaller amounts of middle east pops that almost no other calc assigns me but K13 as it models that from Red Sea score. Also the runs on this are like Vahuedo K13 or G25 like when you start with no ADC you get more populations then as you go 0.25, 0.5, 1, 2 ,eventually you end up with 2 populations , so this seems like a similiar programme. I think just with more or different samples. Otherwise not much different.
Mine computed so quickly that its obviously a Gedmatch or Vahuedo type calc they use , nice how they charge near $ 35 AUD for it.

Sorry, neither K13 not Vahaduo alone can give me the same results it's like a hybrid calculator with some custom exclusive samples.


So you worked out a similar calculator ? That is about $35 dollars worth of your time perhaps.

That it probably uses G25 as part of the hybrid calculator is not bad it actually gives me insight into the results.

[Grace O'Malley]

Sorry, neither K13 not Vahaduo alone can give me the same results it's like a hybrid calculator with some custom exclusive samples.


So you worked out a similar calculator ? That is about $35 dollars worth of your time perhaps.

That it probably uses G25 as part of the hybrid calculator is not bad it actually gives me insight into the results.

My Eurasia is very similar to Gedmatch Eurogenes K13.

Eurasia first run

https://i.imgur.com/zNqL4fm.png

Eurogenes K13

https://i.imgur.com/jiMBO4A.png

https://i.imgur.com/t07v4JG.png

[JamesBond007]

My Eurasia is very similar to Gedmatch Eurogenes K13.



Not mine, everybody keeps talking about how great K13 is for them but my K13 results are trash :

population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.862381
2 Orcadian @ 4.424407
3 West_Scottish @ 4.838403
4 Southwest_English @ 5.407835
5 North_Dutch @ 5.467000
6 Danish @ 6.244602
7 Southeast_English @ 6.306530
8 Norwegian @ 7.105875
9 North_German @ 7.160923
10 Swedish @ 9.322725
11 South_Dutch @ 9.624322
12 West_German @ 10.870525
13 French @ 15.669524
14 North_Swedish @ 16.110004
15 Austrian @ 16.458277
16 East_German @ 16.737020
17 Hungarian @ 21.762369
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.417994
19 Southwest_French @ 23.986454
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 24.658991

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.862381


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% South_Dutch @ 3.707607


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 3.707607
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 3.747404
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.782264
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.825925
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.862381
6 Irish + Irish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.872767
7 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.873713
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.887663
9 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.930623
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.935894
11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.947983
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.959944
13 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 3.964985
14 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.973071
15 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.990455
16 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.990937
17 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 4.002400
18 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 4.007975
19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_German @ 4.020545
20 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.023259


https://i.postimg.cc/ncQSRQhH/Eurasia.png

[Grace O'Malley]

Not mine, everybody keeps talking about how great K13 is for them but my K13 results are trash :

population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.862381
2 Orcadian @ 4.424407
3 West_Scottish @ 4.838403
4 Southwest_English @ 5.407835
5 North_Dutch @ 5.467000
6 Danish @ 6.244602
7 Southeast_English @ 6.306530
8 Norwegian @ 7.105875
9 North_German @ 7.160923
10 Swedish @ 9.322725
11 South_Dutch @ 9.624322
12 West_German @ 10.870525
13 French @ 15.669524
14 North_Swedish @ 16.110004
15 Austrian @ 16.458277
16 East_German @ 16.737020
17 Hungarian @ 21.762369
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.417994
19 Southwest_French @ 23.986454
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 24.658991

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.862381


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% South_Dutch @ 3.707607


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 3.707607
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 3.747404
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.782264
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.825925
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.862381
6 Irish + Irish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.872767
7 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.873713
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.887663
9 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.930623
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.935894
11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.947983
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.959944
13 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 3.964985
14 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.973071
15 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.990455
16 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.990937
17 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 4.002400
18 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 4.007975
19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_German @ 4.020545
20 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.023259


https://i.postimg.cc/ncQSRQhH/Eurasia.png

But that's not because it isn't good but just because of your peculiar aversion to your Irish ancestry. Aren't you Isles plus Alsatian? So your results are a pretty good approximation. These calculators will substitute similar populations and if you see enough of them you can get an understanding of how they work.

[JamesBond007]

But that's not because it isn't good but just because of your peculiar aversion to your Irish ancestry. Aren't you Isles plus Alsatian? So your results are a pretty good approximation. These calculators will substitute similar populations and if you see enough of them you can get an understanding of how they work.

I guess if modern Irish is significantly 'Scottish' or Celto-Germanic than the original Irish inhabitants. I mean results such as these could be legit :

9 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.930623
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.935894

19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_German @ 4.020545
20 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.023259

However, that they are listed at 19 or 20 or 9 and 10 rather than at 1 or 2 or 3 makes K13 trash.

[Grace O'Malley]

I guess if modern Irish is significantly 'Scottish' or Celto-Germanic than the original Irish inhabitants. I mean results such as these could be legit :

19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_German @ 4.020545
20 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.023259

However, that they are listed at 19 or 20 rather than at 1 or 2 or 3 makes K13 trash.

I'm sure you know that the Irish are primarily a Bronze Age population as are most people from the Isles. Even the Anglo-Saxons are similar to Insular Celts. You know this so yes Irish and Scots are similar but so are all Northwest European populations. Where did you think the "original" Irish came from or any population that inhabited those islands?

[JamesBond007]

I'm sure you know that the Irish are primarily a Bronze Age population as are most people from the Isles. Even the Anglo-Saxons are similar to Insular Celts. You know this so yes Irish and Scots are similar but so are all Northwest European populations. Where did you think the "original" Irish came from or any population that inhabited those islands?

Sorry, Grace, I don't know what to believe anymore. I saw a video of a girl from Donegal who swears she is Irish but looks supremely Scottish and my grandfather swore was Irish from Donegal but looked Norwegian/Scottish or Scottish and his wife swore she was English (English women tend to not marry Irish folks especially since she was Anglican or Episcopalian). That is my paternal side.

My maternal side my grandfather swore he was Irish but looked more Welsh or 'black irish' and he married a German/French genetic bomb from Alsace-Lorraine (Germany/France or France/Germany).

I guess you mean beaker folk for the bronze age ? or the Raithlin or Rathlin BA ? Davidski says the best way to model your ancestry is with Iron Age and medeival samples or at least with G25. I mean you do like G25 right ? You seem to be a fan :

Distance to: Jamesbond007_scaled
0.02218995 England_IA
0.02589647 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.02652135 England_Saxon
0.02688990 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.02695867 Scotland_MBA
0.02790445 DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.02885695 England_MBA
0.02951875 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.02956853 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.02972524 England_CA_EBA
0.02976019 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.03000279 Scotland_CA_EBA
0.03005561 SVK_Poprad_MA
0.03007017 DEU_MA_Alemanic_Lombardian
0.03097055 IRL_BA (notice it is not under 3 here)


Target: Jamesbond007_scaled
Distance: 2.1156% / 0.02115609
60.0 England_IA (Welsh-like)
21.0 DEU_MA_Alemanic_Lombardian (Alsatian-like or German)
19.0 England_Saxon (Germanic Saxon invader)

^ Not looking too Irish there Grace

I can get a closer distance :

Target: Jamesbond07_Scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Icelandic mostly Germanic viking)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA ( Deutschendorf German invader of Slovakia)


^However, the latter two are not source populations ( ISL and SVK respectively). My opinion is that you can mix an Irish person with other isles stuff such as English and Scottish and it won't change them too much but once you start bringing German genetic bombs then it is too much for the Irish genetics to handle.

[Grace O'Malley]

Sorry, Grace, I don't know what to believe anymore. I saw a video of a girl from Donegal who swears she is Irish but looks supremely Scottish and my grandfather swore was Irish from Donegal but looked Norwegian/Scottish or Scottish and his wife swore she was English (English women tend to not marry Irish folks especially since she was Anglican or Episcopalian). That is my paternal side.

My maternal side my grandfather swore he was Irish but looked more Welsh or 'black irish' and he married a German/French genetic bomb from Alsace-Lorraine (Germany/France or France/Germany).

I guess you mean beaker folk for the bronze age ? or the Raithlin or Rathlin BA ? Davidski says the best way to model your ancestry is with Iron Age and medeival samples or at least with G25. I mean you do like G25 right ? You seem to be a fan :

Distance to: Jamesbond007_scaled
0.02218995 England_IA
0.02589647 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.02652135 England_Saxon
0.02688990 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.02695867 Scotland_MBA
0.02790445 DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.02885695 England_MBA
0.02951875 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.02956853 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.02972524 England_CA_EBA
0.02976019 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.03000279 Scotland_CA_EBA
0.03005561 SVK_Poprad_MA
0.03007017 DEU_MA_Alemanic_Lombardian
0.03097055 IRL_BA (notice it is not under 3 here)


Target: Jamesbond007_scaled
Distance: 2.1156% / 0.02115609
60.0 England_IA (Welsh-like)
21.0 DEU_MA_Alemanic_Lombardian (Alsatian-like or German)
19.0 England_Saxon (Germanic Saxon invader)

^ Not looking too Irish there Grace

I can get a closer distance :

Target: Jamesbond07_Scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Icelandic mostly Germanic viking)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA ( Deutschendorf German invader of Slovakia)


^However, the latter two are not source populations ( ISL and SVK respectively). My opinion is that you can mix an Irish person with other isles stuff such as English and Scottish and it won't change them too much but once you start bringing German genetic bombs then it is too much for the Irish genetics to handle.

Irish, Scottish, Welsh and yes English people can be interchangeable as per looks. I know I could fit as a native in any part of Britain or Ireland. What is obvious is that genetically all those populations are very closely related. The only unknowns are the input from some fairly similar groups. I know that Anglo-Saxons had a big impact on Eastern England and Vikings, Normans were in Ireland, Scotland and Wales. There would have been some Anglo-Saxon impact all over the Isles but a much bigger impact was on the Eastern part of England with the Irish having the least impact from AS but with the English in Ireland there would be some. Whatever though all those populations cluster together and this would be from Bronze Age times because they were never that dissimilar anyway. I'm still waiting for some good studies to hopefully come out about post-Beaker times. I would like to know things like the Viking and Norman impact on Ireland but I'd also like to see some similar studies on British populations. It is obvious looking at a cluster map though that all those populations are pretty similar and a lot of people don't really have a great knowledge of genetics if they think differently.

What do you mean not looking too Irish there? There are no Irish genomes from that period so I could be modelled like that as well. That's what I'm trying to explain to you but you are ignoring or pretending to ignore. All those populations are similar. The England IA samples would be very good at modelling Irish people also. Also on G25 the Anglo-Saxons are closer to the Irish than the English. This is just because the Irish have higher Steppe so come closer to Anglo-Saxons not because they have a lot of admixture from them.

[Slavic Italian]

Mine is accurate.

100% sexy.

[JamesBond007]

Irish, Scottish, Welsh and yes English people can be interchangeable as per looks. I know I could fit as a native in any part of Britain or Ireland. What is obvious is that genetically all those populations are very closely related. The only unknowns are the input from some fairly similar groups. I know that Anglo-Saxons had a big impact on Eastern England and Vikings, Normans were in Ireland, Scotland and Wales. There would have been some Anglo-Saxon impact all over the Isles but a much bigger impact was on the Eastern part of England with the Irish having the least impact from AS but with the English in Ireland there would be some. Whatever though all those populations cluster together and this would be from Bronze Age times because they were never that dissimilar anyway. I'm still waiting for some good studies to hopefully come out about post-Beaker times. I would like to know things like the Viking and Norman impact on Ireland but I'd also like to see some similar studies on British populations. It is obvious looking at a cluster map though that all those populations are pretty similar and a lot of people don't really have a great knowledge of genetics if they think differently.

What do you mean not looking too Irish there? There are no Irish genomes from that period so I could be modelled like that as well. That's what I'm trying to explain to you but you are ignoring or pretending to ignore. All those populations are similar. The England IA samples would be very good at modelling Irish people also. Also on G25 the Anglo-Saxons are closer to the Irish than the English. This is just because the Irish have higher Steppe so come closer to Anglo-Saxons not because they have a lot of admixture from them.

Ok, thanks, Grace, lets look at it from a different angle. Some modern Scottish and Irish folk may be close to Icelandic and Norwegian people while modern English people would tend to be closer to Dutch and Danes relatively speaking. All human groups are genetically interrelated with each other. There are no ‘English’, ‘French’, ‘Congolese’ or ‘Chinese’ genes, but there is an ADMIXTURE typical of certain populations, characterised by an inevitable degree of variability. So some English people will deviate from the standard ADMIXTURE and cluster with the Dutch or Danish but this will not be the case (or at least less less frequently) with the Irish.G25 has my single closest population as Dutch. My K36 map also has me as Dutch @88 and English @87 then Welsh/Scottish then finally Irish etc...

Anyway, in this case I think we need a fine tool based on Celtic Vs Germanic PCA from Davidski (first two PCAs I am marked 'kevin') :


https://i.postimg.cc/Z5XM4gr3/me.png

^ I almost plot with the Scottish but I am within the English cluster

Another angle :


https://i.postimg.cc/tRrD9wbT/british-isles.png

I removed the Dutch and other populations for clarity as I fall within both English and Dutch clusters :



https://i.postimg.cc/mg3Hg19w/jb007.png


So, based on that reasoning, rather than aversion or 'hate' , I choose to associate with the British as my first choice over Irish given the choice.

[Grace O'Malley]

Ok, thanks, Grace, lets look at it from a different angle. Some modern Scottish and Irish folk may be close to Icelandic and Norwegian people while modern English people would tend to be closer to Dutch and Danes relatively speaking. All human groups are genetically interrelated with each other. There are no ‘English’, ‘French’, ‘Congolese’ or ‘Chinese’ genes, but there is an ADMIXTURE typical of certain populations, characterised by an inevitable degree of variability. So some English people will deviate from the standard ADMIXTURE and cluster with the Dutch or Danish but this will not be the case (or at least less less frequently) with the Irish.G25 has my single closest population as Dutch. My K36 map also has me as Dutch @88 and English @87 then Welsh/Scottish then finally Irish etc...

Anyway, in this case I think we need a fine tool based on Celtic Vs Germanic PCA from Davidski (first two PCAs I am marked 'kevin') :


https://i.postimg.cc/Z5XM4gr3/me.png

^ I almost plot with the Scottish but I am within the English cluster

Another angle :


https://i.postimg.cc/tRrD9wbT/british-isles.png

I removed the Dutch and other populations for clarity as I fall within both English and Dutch clusters :



https://i.postimg.cc/mg3Hg19w/jb007.png


So, based on that reasoning, rather than aversion or 'hate' , I choose to associate with the British as my first choice over Irish given the choice.

I don't agree. On G25 for instance I cluster with Icelandics and on Eurogenes with North Dutch. I'm similar to Creoda's Irish father who also has a similar pull. You can choose who you want but it doesn't make it so. It's like transgender men saying they are women but they aren't of course. :) It comes across as not living in reality and also self-hate but I think we've had these circular conversations many times.

[JamesBond007]

I don't agree. On G25 for instance I cluster with Icelandics and on Eurogenes with North Dutch. I'm similar to Creoda's Irish father who also has a similar pull. You can choose who you want but it doesn't make it so. It's like transgender men saying they are women but they aren't of course. :) It comes across as not living in reality and also self-hate but I think we've had these circular conversations many times.

I am living in reality. Eurogenes is generally outdated crap compared to G25. G25 is not cutting edge anymore but it is still by far the best tool available to the layman. Within Eurogenes K36 can still have a use case and add more granularity but it is not the best tool for most people. I'm not living in reality ? So, G25 the Icelandic stands for you just like I was saying Icelandics and Norwegians have more to do with Irish /Scots and Dutch and Danes with English people. The Celtic vs Eurogenes PCA has me in the Dutch/English cluster, G25 has my single closest population as Dutch and K36 does too. In my case I am cut from the same cloth as the Dutch/English and not the Danes/English :


https://i.postimg.cc/HLcVRSmV/memap.jpg

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm


Enter your Eurogenes K36 results in the form below and then calculate your latitude and longitude.
Works exclusively for Europeans. Accuracy: radius of 400 kms

https://i.postimg.cc/Tw3HTWkL/memap2.png



https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/Europe.htm



G25 :

Closest populations :
Dutch_Central 0.025194727
Norwegian 0.027314818
Welsh 0.03097093
Irish 0.031289119

[oszkar07]

Sorry, neither K13 not Vahaduo alone can give me the same results it's like a hybrid calculator with some custom exclusive samples.


So you worked out a similar calculator ? That is about $35 dollars worth of your time perhaps.

That it probably uses G25 as part of the hybrid calculator is not bad it actually gives me insight into the results.

In one way I dont mind giving some money to YDNA Portal because they have provided a free service with many calculators.

Each to their own, in my oppinion the 25 USD for each of those Advanced Ancestry calculators is a bit high.

For my results I notice some similarity to K13 in the West Eurasia calculator.
I didnt feel the runs were particuliarly accurate , they would overall imply I have so much diverse admixture as if I would have maybe 3 grandparents from very different parts of Europe ...total BS.

Possibly because Im mixed European eg half NW Euro and half East Central Euro maybe its not great at deciphering the admixture.
But I felt the modelling works like an admixture calc ...so similiar to K13.
Like I said the computation was so quick that its simply a admixture type calc they use ...probably not much different to what can be found on Admixture studio.