Ancient North African GEDMatch

[Kross]

This is a sample from Algeria, likely north, from around 600 BCE! Big difference compared to modern day North Africans! 0% Sub-Saharan, and all their black admixture being Somali-like, showing similarity to Copts in their African admixture. The sample is even closer to Portuguese, Sardinians, and Basque than to any modern day North African. We need to understand the impact Arabs had on North Africans, because it seems to be very big!







Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 56.54
2 NE_European 20.6
3 Horn_Of_Africa 12.84
4 SW_Asian 10.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 13.2
2 Portuguese 22.98
3 Basque 24.21
4 Brazilian 24.93
5 Spaniard 25.22
6 Sicilian 25.87
7 Ashkenazy_Jew 25.95
8 Sephardic_Jew 26.88
9 Albanian 27.36
10 Tuscan 27.55
11 Mozabite_Berber 28.1
12 Italian 28.26
13 Moroccan 28.54
14 Montenegrin 30.5
15 Greek_Thessaly 31.16
16 Greek_Central 31.91
17 Bulgarian 32.3
18 Romanian 32.74
19 Libyan 33.71
20 Macedonian 34.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.9% Sardinian + 13.1% Somali @ 8.15
2 85.3% Sardinian + 14.7% Afar @ 8.28
3 85.9% Sardinian + 14.1% Oromo @ 8.6
4 85.1% Sardinian + 14.9% Amhara @ 8.64
5 84.7% Sardinian + 15.3% Eritrean @ 8.72
6 84.7% Sardinian + 15.3% Tygray @ 8.74
7 74.8% Sardinian + 25.2% Moroccan @ 9.63
8 74.7% Sardinian + 25.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 9.73
9 87.9% Sardinian + 12.1% Wolayta @ 9.76
10 90.4% Sardinian + 9.6% Maasai @ 10.66
11 89.9% Sardinian + 10.1% Sandawe @ 10.84
12 87.8% Sardinian + 12.2% Somali_Benadiri @ 10.86
13 54.5% Basque + 45.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 11.14
14 91.6% Sardinian + 8.4% AriCultivator @ 11.23
15 83.9% Sardinian + 16.1% Yemenite_Jew @ 11.26
16 83.7% Sardinian + 16.3% Egyptian @ 11.45
17 82.8% Sardinian + 17.2% Libyan @ 11.45
18 78.2% Sardinian + 21.8% Brazilian @ 11.68
19 88.6% Sardinian + 11.4% Yemenese @ 11.77
20 77% Sardinian + 23% Portuguese @ 11.83

[Hamilcar]

This is a sample from Algeria, likely north, from around 600 BCE! Big difference compared to modern day North Africans! 0% Sub-Saharan, and all their black admixture being Somali-like, showing similarity to Copts in their African admixture. The sample is even closer to Portuguese, Sardinians, and Basque than to any modern day North African. We need to understand the impact Arabs had on North Africans, because it seems to be very big!







Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 56.54
2 NE_European 20.6
3 Horn_Of_Africa 12.84
4 SW_Asian 10.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 13.2
2 Portuguese 22.98
3 Basque 24.21
4 Brazilian 24.93
5 Spaniard 25.22
6 Sicilian 25.87
7 Ashkenazy_Jew 25.95
8 Sephardic_Jew 26.88
9 Albanian 27.36
10 Tuscan 27.55
11 Mozabite_Berber 28.1
12 Italian 28.26
13 Moroccan 28.54
14 Montenegrin 30.5
15 Greek_Thessaly 31.16
16 Greek_Central 31.91
17 Bulgarian 32.3
18 Romanian 32.74
19 Libyan 33.71
20 Macedonian 34.72






We don't have a single sample from 600 BC Algeria so why are you lying ? You probably took a random sardinian sample.

[Adamm]

We don't have a single sample from 600 BC Algeria so why are you lying ? You probably took a random sardinian sample.

Exactly, there are 0 ancient samples from Algeria which are available to the public. There are probably some Caspian samples in existence but not released to the public. The only Iron Age samples belong to North Africans are the Guanches samples as far I know. Edit: Guanches were post-Iron Age. So we have a copper age sample From Sardinia and another one from Spain (3k or 2k BC?), they even show higher Sub Saharan African than modern day North Africans lol.

[Kross]

Exactly, there are 0 ancient samples from Algeria which are available to the public. There are probably some Caspian samples in existence but not released to the public. The only Iron Age samples belong to North Africans are the Guanches samples as far I know. Edit: Guanches were post-Iron Age. So we have a copper age sample From Sardinia and another one from Spain (3k or 2k BC?), they even show higher Sub Saharan African than modern day North Africans lol.


We don't have a single sample from 600 BC Algeria so why are you lying ? You probably took a random sardinian sample.

Nice try. :picard2: It was given to me by a professional geneticist, why would I lie? This the harappaworld of the same sample, still only 6% black! Modern day Berbers have like 25%.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 51.86
2 SW-Asian 28.84
3 NE-Euro 6.57
4 Caucasian 6.38
5 E-African 6.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tunisia (henn2012) 12.1
2 morocco-n (henn2012) 12.48
3 algeria (henn2012) 18.85
4 mozabite (hgdp) 20.44
5 saharawi (henn2012) 21.15
6 moroccan (behar) 23.8
7 sardinian (hgdp) 26.37
8 libya (henn2012) 27.97
9 morocco-s (henn2012) 32.34
10 spaniard (1000genomes) 32.98
11 spaniard (behar) 34.11
12 morocco-jew (behar) 34.56
13 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 35.19
14 italian (hgdp) 36.46
15 spain-basc (henn2012) 37.08
16 basque (hgdp) 37.57
17 tuscan (hapmap) 37.66
18 tuscan (hgdp) 37.96
19 tuscan (1000genomes) 38.08
20 sephardic-jew (behar) 38.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.3% tunisia (henn2012) + 18.7% italian (hgdp) @ 8.94
2 82% tunisia (henn2012) + 18% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 8.97
3 74.4% morocco-n (henn2012) + 25.6% sardinian (hgdp) @ 9.1
4 83.6% tunisia (henn2012) + 16.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 9.26
5 76% tunisia (henn2012) + 24% sardinian (hgdp) @ 9.27
6 86.2% tunisia (henn2012) + 13.8% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 9.38
7 83.7% tunisia (henn2012) + 16.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 9.42
8 80.7% tunisia (henn2012) + 19.3% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 9.45
9 86.1% tunisia (henn2012) + 13.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 9.46
10 83.5% tunisia (henn2012) + 16.5% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 9.58
11 81.8% tunisia (henn2012) + 18.2% morocco-jew (behar) @ 9.59
12 86% tunisia (henn2012) + 14% french (hgdp) @ 9.83
13 88.2% tunisia (henn2012) + 11.8% hungarian (behar) @ 9.85
14 88.6% tunisia (henn2012) + 11.4% slovenian (xing) @ 9.89
15 56.7% saharawi (henn2012) + 43.3% sardinian (hgdp) @ 9.93
16 88.1% tunisia (henn2012) + 11.9% cypriot (behar) @ 10.05
17 90.3% tunisia (henn2012) + 9.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 10.1
18 89% tunisia (henn2012) + 11% n-european (xing) @ 10.18
19 88.8% tunisia (henn2012) + 11.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 10.2
20 91.2% tunisia (henn2012) + 8.8% belorussian (behar) @ 10.2

[Flashball]

12% of sub-Saharan is significant, we should have the results of his global 25 because he must have a significant Iberomaurusian contribution, and there is sub-Saharan in the Iberomaurusian contribution...

Otherwise, it is not true: the Arab contribution is marginal in North Africa.

We have Guanches samples and they have already a Sub-Saharan contribution even though they have not known the Arab invasions.

[Voskos]

Don't you have more info on the sample?

[Hamilcar]

Nice try. :picard2: It was given to me by a professional geneticist, why would I lie? This the harappaworld of the same sample, still only 6% black! Modern day Berbers have like 25%.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 51.86
2 SW-Asian 28.84
3 NE-Euro 6.57
4 Caucasian 6.38
5 E-African 6.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tunisia (henn2012) 12.1
2 morocco-n (henn2012) 12.48
3 algeria (henn2012) 18.85
4 mozabite (hgdp) 20.44
5 saharawi (henn2012) 21.15
6 moroccan (behar) 23.8
7 sardinian (hgdp) 26.37
8 libya (henn2012) 27.97
9 morocco-s (henn2012) 32.34
10 spaniard (1000genomes) 32.98
11 spaniard (behar) 34.11
12 morocco-jew (behar) 34.56
13 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 35.19
14 italian (hgdp) 36.46
15 spain-basc (henn2012) 37.08
16 basque (hgdp) 37.57
17 tuscan (hapmap) 37.66
18 tuscan (hgdp) 37.96
19 tuscan (1000genomes) 38.08
20 sephardic-jew (behar) 38.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.3% tunisia (henn2012) + 18.7% italian (hgdp) @ 8.94
2 82% tunisia (henn2012) + 18% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 8.97
3 74.4% morocco-n (henn2012) + 25.6% sardinian (hgdp) @ 9.1
4 83.6% tunisia (henn2012) + 16.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 9.26
5 76% tunisia (henn2012) + 24% sardinian (hgdp) @ 9.27
6 86.2% tunisia (henn2012) + 13.8% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 9.38
7 83.7% tunisia (henn2012) + 16.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 9.42
8 80.7% tunisia (henn2012) + 19.3% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 9.45
9 86.1% tunisia (henn2012) + 13.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 9.46
10 83.5% tunisia (henn2012) + 16.5% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 9.58
11 81.8% tunisia (henn2012) + 18.2% morocco-jew (behar) @ 9.59
12 86% tunisia (henn2012) + 14% french (hgdp) @ 9.83
13 88.2% tunisia (henn2012) + 11.8% hungarian (behar) @ 9.85
14 88.6% tunisia (henn2012) + 11.4% slovenian (xing) @ 9.89
15 56.7% saharawi (henn2012) + 43.3% sardinian (hgdp) @ 9.93
16 88.1% tunisia (henn2012) + 11.9% cypriot (behar) @ 10.05
17 90.3% tunisia (henn2012) + 9.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 10.1
18 89% tunisia (henn2012) + 11% n-european (xing) @ 10.18
19 88.8% tunisia (henn2012) + 11.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 10.2
20 91.2% tunisia (henn2012) + 8.8% belorussian (behar) @ 10.2




You're simply lying but try again since I have similar results to this one if we go by oracles :


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.8% Tunisian + 18.2% French_Basque @ 3.57
2 84.3% Algerian + 15.7% French_Basque @ 3.66
3 80.1% Algerian + 19.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.67
4 78.2% Algerian + 21.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.89
5 79.2% Algerian + 20.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.96
6 79.3% Algerian + 20.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.99
7 78.4% Algerian + 21.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.01
8 77.6% Tunisian + 22.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.06
9 77.6% Algerian + 22.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.06
10 77% Mozabite_Berber + 23% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.08
11 79% Algerian + 21% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.11
12 80% Algerian + 20% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.11
13 80.5% Algerian + 19.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.15
14 79.4% Mozabite_Berber + 20.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.18
15 78.1% Mozabite_Berber + 21.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.24
16 78.3% Algerian + 21.7% Portuguese @ 4.26
17 78.9% Mozabite_Berber + 21.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.37
18 78% Mozabite_Berber + 22% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.38
19 76.6% Mozabite_Berber + 23.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.38
20 78.9% Algerian + 21.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.39

[Hamilcar]

Don't you have more info on the sample?

He's simply lying if there was any ancient sample available about my people I would have been the first to know it. I'm pretty sure what he posted is a sample from punic sardinia where many of them were mixed with sardinians and showed some level of NA ancestry and he tries to pass this for a 600BC algerian lol.

[Adamm]

He's simply lying if there was any ancient sample available about my people I would have been the first to know it. I'm pretty sure what he posted is a sample from punic sardinia where many of them were mixed with sardinians and showed some level of NA ancestry and he tries to pass this for a 600BC algerian lol.

Yes he's lying, if there was a 600bc sample from Algeria we would know it. I think I literally know all samples that we have available by heart and there is no 600bc sample, he should send us the GEDmatch kit number.