Classify Nazi German politicians

[Loyalist]

He's always struck me as having somewhat of an unusual phenotype for a German. His Wikipedia (:rolleyes:) entry states that his mother, Klara Münch, was an ethnic Greek, with some connection to a family named Georgiadis. I've always taken that with a grain of salt, until I came across this article (http://www.ethniko.net/blog/rudolf-hess-greek).

What do you think?

http://i44.tinypic.com/xfdicm.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2yyw9ow.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2lcu0xx.jpg

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[TheGreatest]

I heard claims that his ''Greek'' ancestry was really just ''Coptic Greek", I.E. Egyptian Christian.

[Soldier of Wodann]

I always thought it was well accepted he was Greek. Doesn't much matter anyway.

As for his classification, pred. Faelid + Med maybe? Or vice versa.

[Loyalist]

I always thought it was well accepted he was Greek. Doesn't much matter anyway.

As for his classification, pred. Faelid + Med maybe? Or vice versa.

Still, reliable sources make no mention of it, and his mother had an undeniably German name. :confused:

Anyway, I agree he's predominantly Faelid.

[Absinthe]

I heard claims that his ''Greek'' ancestry was really just ''Coptic Greek", I.E. Egyptian Christian.
That's what I also know.

He does seem to be predominantly Faelid in cranial structure (his jaw was so square it was almost like a caricature :p) but his mediterranean influences are more evident in pigmentation.

He doesn't look like a Greek, if that's what you're asking. He doesn't look like a German either.

I'd place him in the Balkans, most likely. Anyways, he was a great man, one of the most admirable of his Era.

[Dr. van Winkle]

Hess had robust features and a distinct unibrow, which both point to Greek heritage. The part of his Wikipedia entry about him being of half-Greek descent could be very well true.

Coon on Greek physical traits:


Within the Greek group, heavy beards, heavy browridges, and concurrent eyebrows tend to associate themselves with an Alpine type; there is also a linkage between tall stature, in the 170 cm. class, cephalic indices of about 80, straight noses, dark brown hair, and dark brown eyes. This last set of associations clearly denotes the presence of a strong Atlanto-Mediterranean element. There are also strong connections between black hair, occipital flattening, and narrow facial features, which means Dinaric or Armenoid. That the small amount of blondism among the Greeks is mostly Nordic in origin is indicated by its linkage with external eyefolds, relative thinness of beard, and absence of eyebrow concurrency.
However, what ethniko.net tells about Canaris is rather incorrect:

Many years ago I read somewhere that Rudolf Hess was partly Greek. I knew that the Abwehr’s leader Wilhelm von Kanaris was of Greek origin too (as was Herbert von Karajan), but I had no idea about Rudolf Hess’ Greek ascendence.
According to Wikipedia, Canaris wasn't Greek but had a small hint of Italian ancestry. I.e. he was in fact of predominantly German heritage.

Until 1938 Canaris believed that his family was related to the Greek admiral, freedom fighter and politician Constantine Kanaris, which influenced his decision to join the navy. While on a visit to Corfu he was given a portrait of the Greek hero, which he always kept in his office. In 1938, however, research showed that his family was of North Italian descent, originally called Canarisi, and had lived in Germany since the 17th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Canaris

[Rouxinol]

Remarkable square-ish face!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/c/c8/20081215234936!Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-1987-0313-507,_Rudolf_Hess.jpg http://www.agentiadecarte.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/250px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-849_Rudolf_He%C3%9F.jpg

[Peerkons]

Crogmanid-Faelid but im not sure.

[Artek]

South Cromagnoid/Greek(unibrow) + north Cromagnoid (Faelid like?) No other idea :)

[Nurzat]

the cromagnoid is obvious (projecting browridges, broad upper face, squared and distinctive lower jaw, the thin lips, the positive chin), most probably fälisch (dalo-faelid) but he has also most probably a mediterranean component that prolonged his face to this and gave him the dark hair and rich eyebrows

edit. now i see there was another thread on him with the same opinions

[Neanderthal]

Faelid/Mediterranid.

[Mordid]

Paleo-Atlantid = dark faelid. He could pass as English.

[GeistFaust]

Mostly Dalo Faelid with Mediterranid influences.

[Hess]

Mostly Dalo Faelid with Mediterranid influences.

Do you think I look like him at all? *puppy eyes*

[GeistFaust]

Do you think I look like him at all? *puppy eyes*

A little bit in the mouth area that is the most important area to share a similarity with someone else.

[HungAryan]

Classify them racially + tell where would they fit in outside Germany

1) Adolf Hitler

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/2865398363_ba996e4e0d.jpg
http://www.ww2shots.com/gallery/d/2747-1/Adolf+Hitler+color+photo-ww2shots.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJIdEB1t0QvmxTtDokW8kL6rkIOR_2t fo32ZI14_6TIk3N_aXeHBEAhFgqoA

2) Rudolf Hess

http://www.adolfthegreat.com/site/fileadmin/Image_Archive/Personalities/Hess-Rudolf/RudolfHess-01s.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-849,_Rudolf_He%C3%9F.jpg/250px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-849,_Rudolf_He%C3%9F.jpg

3) Heinrich Himmler

http://www.usmbooks.com/images/HIMMLER/HimmlerB.jpg
http://www.trailershut.com/actor-images/heinrich-himmler-10029.jpg

4) Joseph Goebbels

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/goebbels.jpg
http://www.daveblackonline.com/goebbels.gif

5) Hermann Goering

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/hol-pix/goering.jpg
http://www.breakingperceptions.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Hermann-Goering.jpg

6) Alfred Jodl

http://www.nndb.com/people/919/000031826/alfred-jodl-2.jpg

7) Felix Steiner

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPF-swjdbRYoYNET1U7LTFrorD60RMf0gUt_vm2JX3Kq9TI0C40AkB eMdjhg

8) Hans Krebs

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-111-10A,_Hans_Krebs.jpg/250px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-111-10A,_Hans_Krebs.jpg

[GeistFaust]

Adolf Hitler: Sub-Nordic.
Rudolf Hess: Faelid with some Nordo-Mediterranid Atlantid influences.
Heinrich Himmler: Alpinoid basically.
Joseph Goebbels: Norid Atlantid I suppose Atlanto-Dinarid is fitting as well.
Hermann Goering: Borreby + Nordic admixture.
Alfred Jodl: He looks Faelid with Norid influences in that picture that said I have seen other pictures of him where he looks more Borreby like.
Felix Steiner: Borreby with Nordic influences.
Hans Kreb: Faelid + Nordic admixture.

[HungAryan]

Awesome :D
Where would they fit outside Germany?

[Mordid]

Hitler: Pred. Nordid with Alpinid, Dinarid and minor Faelid influences. He's quite phenotypically mixed.
Hess: Pred. Cromagnid (Faelid variety) with darker Aurignacoid influence, but he could be Paleo-Atlantid
Heinrich: Pred. Alpinid with minor Nordid influence
Joseph: Pred. Med (Gracile variety) with Dinarid influence. Would guess him to be Italian If I didn't know his ancestry
Hermann: Pred. Norreby (Nordid/Borreby)
Alfred: Pred, Norreby
Felix Steiner: Preferably Baltid
Hans Krebs: Pred. Alpinoid/Borreby

[GeistFaust]

Its hard to say where they would fit outside of Germany but they would be common for their localities in Germany. I would say that without knowing it a few of them could fit into the Netherlands, Flanders, or Denmark. A few could fit into France and Hitler and Himmler have a rather Southern/Southeastern appearance.


The problem with trying to put them in other country is that it would be on a generic basis. Most specific phenotypes can be found not necessarily in a local area in a certain country but in a certain region.Goerring and Krebs could possibly pass in Scandinavia but then again the relationship to those countries would be more or less superficial.



Phenotype can be a good indicator of country of origin but its not always going to be completely valid. Joseph Goebbels for example has a horsy look that is common in Belgium and parts of the Netherlands. He happens to come from a town near that area in the Rhine-Land.

[GeistFaust]

Hitler: Pred. Nordid with Alpinid, Dinarid and minor Faelid influences. He's quite phenotypically mixed.
Hess: Pred. Cromagnid (Faelid variety) with darker Aurignacoid influence, but he could be Paleo-Atlantid
Heinrich: Pred. Alpinid with minor Nordid influence
Joseph: Pred. Med (Gracile variety) with Dinarid influence. Would guess him to be Italian If I didn't know his ancestry
Hermann: Pred. Norreby (Nordid/Borreby)
Alfred: Pred, Norreby
Felix Steiner: Preferably Baltid
Hans Krebs: Pred. Alpinoid/Borreby

Yes you might be right about Felix Steiner I still think he looks generically Borreby but that is a valid interpretation possibly. I think Joseph looks superficially Mediterranid. He looks more Northern French or Belgian to me some sort of Norid/Atlanto-Dinarid. Alfred is probably a rather strongly Cro-Magnon oriented Borreby but I do think I can agree with rest for the most part.

[Sylvanus]

AH: nordid+alpinid
Hess: med+faelid
Himmler: textbook alpinid
Dr. Göbbels: gracil-med+some cromagnid influence
Göring: faelid+alpinid

[Arrow Cross]

Awesome :D
Where would they fit outside Germany?
Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, France, Libya, Egypt, Yugoslavia, Greece, the Soviet Union...

[Peyrol]

Only Hess and Goebbels could pass as italians.

[herrwolf88]

no need for introductions this one has to be interesting let's see how it turns out..

Alonzo

[safinator]

He's half Russian half Swiss i believe.

[Hess]

he's already been classified a million times on here :lol:

[Hess]

He's half Russian half Swiss i believe.

:eek:

source?

[safinator]

Sorry, half Croatian half Swiss

[herrwolf88]

:eek:

source?

what about is abundant eye brown his forehead and his eyes those features always suggested me an oriental vibe.

[Mordid]

Sorry, half Croatian half Swiss
:eek:
Source?

[safinator]

:eek:
Source?
Rudolf Hess (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?u=2366)

[Mordid]

Rudolf Hess (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?u=2366)

Hess is here? :eek:

[Burgomaster]

Hess' mother had some Greek ancestry. This is all (or at least this is what I thought).

[herrwolf88]

Hess' mother had some Greek ancestry. This is all (or at least this is what I thought).

That is correct as far as I know from the Georgiadis family of Alexandria (the place he was born in)

[zack]

Hero...i think.

[herrwolf88]

Hero...i think.

He went to Britain looking for peace and they gave him prison another sample of who was indeed the violent and the warmongers.

[safinator]

CM + Med

[GeistFaust]

Faelid with a strong Mediterranid influence, and could pass as a Paleo-Atlantid.

[Smeagol]

Adolf Hitler: Dinarized Nordid with Alpinized Faelid influence.

Rudolf Hess: Faelid predominantly with a minor Atlanto-Mediterranid influence.

Heinrich Himmler: Alpinid.

Joseph Goebbels: Gracile-Mediterranid with Dinarid influence.

Hermann Göring: Nordid + Borreby.

Alfred Jodl: Looks like Nordoid + Cromagno-Alpinoid.

Felix Steiner: Balto-Borreby with maybe a weak Nordid influence.

Hans Krebs: Cromagno-Alpinoid/Borreby with a minor Nordoid admixture.

[Mehmet]

Rudolf Hess was CM+Hallstat

[Peikko]

He looks a bit swarthy, I have no hard time believing he had Greek ancestry. Also the nose.

[Smeagol]

He looks a bit swarthy, I have no hard time believing he had Greek ancestry. Also the nose.

Yeah, he most likely was half Greek.

[Kalimtari]

Remarkable square-ish face!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/c/c8/20081215234936!Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-1987-0313-507,_Rudolf_Hess.jpg http://www.agentiadecarte.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/250px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-849_Rudolf_He%C3%9F.jpg

compare to this Serb/Montenegrin actor:

http://images3.kurir-info.rs/slika-900x608/milorad-mandic-manda-odmor-1328585176-44138.jpg

[Kalimtari]

btw, Albanian Hitler Doppelganger:

http://www.kosovarja-ks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/130120144703-768x1024.jpg

[Peterski]

Turns out he was R1a: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?275496-Deputy-F%FChrer-of-Nazi-Germany-was-of-Slavic-extraction-DNA-test-shows