I think is about time.

[Armand_Duval]

Alrite lads I'm relatively new to thi site and I think it's about time to get classified.


I've already been clsssified in a couple of boards more however I've heard Agrippa and Mordid among others are some of the top classifiers in this borad so I'd like to have your opinions, so give it a go!!!.


Height: 6'.0".

Weight: 220 Pounds.

Skin: White.

Hair and eyes: Dark Brown.


Some pcitures wearing beard:

[Ushtari]

You look like Iron man

http://topnews.in/light/files/robert-downey-jr552.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Iron_Man_bleeding_edge.jpg/250px-Iron_Man_bleeding_edge.jpg

[morski]

Generally you look like a badass. Sorry for the offtopic.

[Armand_Duval]

^ Lol... do you think so?????:D


Acually I was told Iook like him in this pict:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStr__YnghY16fdg2zocJSL3TRYCiMbT eIH5XT6bSWdyKVlL-MF_d7WWSAn

[bluesky]

Alpinoid+atlanto-med

[Armand_Duval]

Generally you look like a badass. Sorry for the offtopic.


And what about classification??? where in the world would you ubicate me?.

[morski]

And what about classification??? where in the world would you ubicate me?.

I'm not good at classifications, but I'd basically put you anywhere in Europe except for the most northern extremes.

[Fra Baldracco]

Eastern Alpinoid definetely from RUSSIA or near.

[Mordid]

Alpinoid+atlanto-med

Yep, but he seem significant Amerindian (probably Margid). Welcome to the forum, dude.



Eastern Alpinoid definetely from RUSSIA or near.
Stop trolling, dude.

[morski]

You should post one of those pics in the Apricity Beards (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34523&highlight=apricity+beards) thread.

[Armand_Duval]

^^^Lol!, maybe later...


So far so good, keep 'em comin' lads!.

[GeistFaust]

I still think an Atlantid/Atlanto-Dinarid + Berid intermediate with Pueblid tendencies possible.

[Armand_Duval]

Any one else??

[Agrippa]

Somewhere between Atlantid/Atlantomediterranid and Cromagnid with a possible Alpinoid tendency. Atlantid/Atlantomediterranid is the more dominant element I guess.

[GeistFaust]

Any one else??


I actually just sent the link to Agrippa I will see if I can get Saruman, Mordid, and Artek.

[Mordid]

Somewhere between Atlantid/Atlantomediterranid and Cromagnid with a possible Alpinoid tendency. Atlantid/Atlantomediterranid is the more dominant element I guess.
Do you think his Cromagnid and Alpinoid tendency come from his Amerindian side?

I actually just sent the link to Agrippa I will see if I can get Saruman, Mordid, and Artek.
You just did.

[Agrippa]

Indianid can be quite weak and some Indianid variants are Europiform by default, even less recognisable in the mixture.

But I can't say that he looks unmistakenly Indianid in any way. I could just speculate about certain traits, but in general, such a phenotype could be found in Southern France, Iberia and Italy in particular.

If he has admixture (?), only if comparing his features with those of his ancestors could make it clear, but again, nothing out of the ordinary.

[Han Cholo]

Atlanto-Alpinid with slight Pueblid substratum. You're definately miles more Caucasoid than the average Chilango.

[Mordid]

Indianid can be quite weak and some Indianid variants are Europiform by default, even less recognisable in the mixture.

But I can't say that he looks unmistakenly Indianid in any way. I could just speculate about certain traits, but in general, such a phenotype could be found in Southern France, Iberia and Italy in particular.

If he has admixture (?), only if comparing his features with those of his ancestors could make it clear, but again, nothing out of the ordinary.

Margid has similarities to Cromagnid, so his Cromagnid side is probably Margid.

Indianid type. Medium-sized, robust dolicho-mesocephals of California and Sonara, and (at much lower frequency) in Mexico, the Rocky Mountains (Shoshons), Florida and along the East Coast north to Newfoundland. The Margid type is characterized by a supraorbital bulge, a broad but not flat face, small eyelid slits (without Mongolid characteristics), a medium-broad to broad, moderately prominent straight or concave nose with a clearly retracted root, smooth hair and dark brown skin with slightly red tone.

[kwp_wp]

Just Atlanto-Med IMHO to put it simple

[Agrippa]

Margid has similarities to Cromagnid, so his Cromagnid side is probably Margid.

Margid is a rather primitive type, it was one of those racial forms which was pushed aside by more progressive Indianid forms and would have been replaced with or without Europeans coming in, being already pushed into areas of retreat.

However, their Mongoloid traits are quite weak, yet they are not really Cromagnoid-like in the narrower sense.

[Armand_Duval]

Indianid can be quite weak and some Indianid variants are Europiform by default, even less recognisable in the mixture.

But I can't say that he looks unmistakenly Indianid in any way. I could just speculate about certain traits, but in general, such a phenotype could be found in Southern France, Iberia and Italy in particular.

If he has admixture (?), only if comparing his features with those of his ancestors could make it clear, but again, nothing out of the ordinary.

I agree with you Agrippa.

My great grand mother from my mom's side was pure amerind, and she showed pseudocaucasoid traits, she was progressive long faced and she was something in between dolico/mesocephalic, that apparently reduction in me is due to my alpinoid heritage from my dad's side, although my great grand father from my mom's side was an alpomediterranid type too.

Maybe as Mordid points out my cromagnoid traits are a mixture of euro cromagnoid with those pseudocaucasoid traits of my amerid part, so somehow those amerind traits aren't evident. I think my great grand mother was margid with a possible pueblid admixture.

What you say makes perfect sense with my familiar background.

[Armand_Duval]

I remember when once ago I posted some pictures of my great grand mother in a native american forum, some of the indians there told me she could pass as one of them, they were Lakota or Cherokee I dont remember pretty well but all of us know those amerid types are more progressive types than the piktomorphic centralid istmid.

[Han Cholo]

Margid is a rather primitive type, it was one of those racial forms which was pushed aside by more progressive Indianid forms and would have been replaced with or without Europeans coming in, being already pushed into areas of retreat.

However, their Mongoloid traits are quite weak, yet they are not really Cromagnoid-like in the narrower sense.

Curiously enough often Margid Indo-Mestizos look more progressive than their more pyknomorphic Centralid counterparts:

Pred Margids
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/25388_246684605142_641850142_3805154_3318927_n.jpg

Pred Centralids:
http://members.buenamusica.com/file/pic/gallery/46038_view.jpg

[Armand_Duval]

Indeed, Margid is a more progressive type generaly speaking, centralid istmid is a very non progressive type.

Mexico City has been overpopulated by years of migrations from mexican southern states where Istmid type is the common, southern mexican ppl have been migrating to USA too thus the common mexican looking in USA now a days is like this:

http://img.terra.com.mx/galeria_de_fotos/images/295/588033.jpg

[Mordid]

Indeed, Margid is a more progressive type generaly speaking, centralid istmid is a very non progressive type.

Mexico City has been overpopulated by years of migrations from mexican southern states where Istmid type is the common, southern mexican ppl have been migrating to USA too thus the common mexican looking in USA now a days is like this:

http://img.terra.com.mx/galeria_de_fotos/images/295/588033.jpg
I'm curious... Aren't you too much European influence for average Mexican? I suppose it's depend on region, but the majority of people in Mexico are Mestizo, no? Centralid is infantile type, not progressive nor primitive.

[Sikeliot]

Southern French looking.

[Artek]

Atlanto-Med with slight Alpinoid

[Armand_Duval]

I'm curious... Aren't you too much European influence for average Mexican? I suppose it's depend on region, but the majority of people in Mexico are Mestizo, no? Centralid is infantile type, not progressive nor primitive.

I guess I am more european than the average mexican that's right.

It is also true that it depends on the region, the bajio and the northern México are more caucasic regions.

In general terms Mexico is a mestizo country nor amerind nor white but mestizo.

The two opposite poles, Amerind and Europeans are both estimated in 10% percent of the total pop each.

[Han Cholo]

I guess I am more european than the average mexican that's right.

It is also true that it depends on the region, the bajio and the northern México are more caucasic regions.

In general terms Mexico is a mestizo country nor amerind nor white but mestizo.

The two opposite poles, Amerind and Europeans are both estimated in 10% percent of the total pop each.

A portion of the mestizos in certain region might appear to be 80% Caucasian or 80% Indigenous (so greatly inclined to one side) as well, creating skewed perceptions depending on the eye of the person observing.

He is nowhere a rarity though. Here in Monterrey I see quite a bit of people like him:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/22757_397687480392_580815392_10300044_7604050_n.jp g

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/304073_10150306580726436_543911435_8421971_1717731 610_n.jpg

[gold_fenix]

well there two amerindian subtypes who are very progresive one is sylvid and other i have the doubt of the name but is similiar to cromagnoids, both founded in North America and Mexico

[Armand_Duval]

And what do you think about the recent gold medal in the Panamerican Games?.

Cynthia Valdéz:

http://gimnasialatina.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/cynthia-valdez.jpg


http://impreso.milenio.com/media/imagecache/Principal/2011/10/18/gdl_afi_glpor.jpg

Or Marcela Guirado.

http://www.biosstars-mx.com/m/marcela_guirado/Cuando_las_Cosas_Suceden025.jpg

http://www.eluniversaldf.mx/fotos/marcelaguirado.jpg


Both from The Bajio (Jalisco), although being more euro than the average mexican too their phenotypes aren't a rarity in the Bajio or Northern Mexico.

[Agrippa]

Indeed, Margid is a more progressive type generaly speaking, centralid istmid is a very non progressive type.

Mexico City has been overpopulated by years of migrations from mexican southern states where Istmid type is the common, southern mexican ppl have been migrating to USA too thus the common mexican looking in USA now a days is like this:

http://img.terra.com.mx/galeria_de_fotos/images/295/588033.jpg

Margids are primitive, Istmids are infantile.

The more progressive Indianid variants in Mexico are usually rather of the Pueblid Centralid subtype, which is however more numerous than Istmid in Mexico and there are also other Indianid influences present.

Classic Indianid variants after R. Knussmann (1996):
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16650&stc=1&d=1319366830

Margids are characterised by a longer head and Australiform tendencies.

After I. Schwidetzky:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16651&stc=1&d=1319367029

Pazifids are among the latest Indianid waves, living/lived in the West of the USA, coastal areas in particular and being among the most Europiform groups.

[Armand_Duval]

I guess you´re right, thanks for the correction Agrippa.

The fact margid being a rugged built and bigger native subtype than istmid, it doesnt mean it is progressive per se. Istmid is a less primitive more infantiloid subtype, I agree.

Cheers.

[Gauthier]

Just following up on the Margid Amerindian type discussion. I would like to add these illustrations of Tarahumara natives.

To me they look way more progressive than their southern counterparts.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5236/435i.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/435i.jpg/)
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2344/raramuri8.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/raramuri8.jpg/)

These are illustrations obtained from the book Unknown Mexico, Volume 1 by the explorer Carl Lumholtz.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1161/pl1133.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/pl1133.jpg/)
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5194/pl1149.jpg (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/pl1149.jpg/)
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/562/pl1237.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/pl1237.jpg/)
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9306/pl1239.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/pl1239.jpg/)
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5571/pl1268.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/i/pl1268.jpg/)
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3716/pl1426.jpg (http://img845.imageshack.us/i/pl1426.jpg/)