Classify Students from Waterford

[Grace O'Malley]

What populations are they closest to?

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[Tooting Carmen]

Similar to the Welsh, albeit with more light hair. Are they rural or urban? Either way, even today much of the ROI still seems pretty White.

[Grace O'Malley]

Similar to the Welsh, albeit with more light hair. Are they rural or urban? Either way, even today much of the ROI still seems pretty White.

Waterford is the 10th most populous area in Ireland. It is the oldest town and founded by the Vikings. It is the main city in South-East Ireland but still has a lot of agriculture. There are non-whites of course.

https://i.imgur.com/orRynzo.png

There aren't many places in Europe left without migration from non-Europeans.

[Tooting Carmen]

Waterford is the 10th most populous area in Ireland. It is the oldest town and founded by the Vikings. It is the main city in South-East Ireland but still has a lot of agriculture. There are non-whites of course.

https://i.imgur.com/orRynzo.png

There isn't many places now with non-whites. There aren't many places in Europe left without migration from non-Europeans.

Though that said, most immigration to Ireland has actually been from the UK and Eastern Europe, although there are some Chinese, Nigerians and Zimbabweans too.

[Grace O'Malley]

Though that said, most immigration to Ireland has actually been from the UK and Eastern Europe, although there are some Chinese, Nigerians and Zimbabweans too.

There are still plenty of non-Europeans though. Largest are UK, Polish and Lithuanians but plenty of Nigerians and Indians also Brazilians. Polish and people from the UK are significantly the largest group of immigrants.

[Tooting Carmen]

There are still plenty of non-Europeans though. Largest are UK, Polish and Lithuanians but plenty of Nigerians and Indians also Brazilians. Polish and people from the UK are significantly the largest group of immigrants.

I don't wanna digress too much, but while I am fully aware my opinions are a minority in this forum, on the whole I'd much rather have a Chinese or Indian who is well-educated and speaks fluent English than a Pole or Romanian who is poorly educated and can barely say "hello". (I don't view 'whiteness' as an end in itself like some others seemingly do).

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't wanna digress too much, but while I am fully aware my opinions are a minority in this forum, on the whole I'd much rather have a Chinese or Indian who is well-educated and speaks fluent English than a Pole or Romanian who is poorly educated and can barely say "hello". (I don't view 'whiteness' as an end in itself like some others seemingly do).

I have no issues with Chinese and Indians. They make pretty good immigrants and largely integrate.

[Ayetooey]

Though that said, most immigration to Ireland has actually been from the UK and Eastern Europe, although there are some Chinese, Nigerians and Zimbabweans too.

Ireland is 92% White and 80% or so Irish; more White than the UK but it's not like they have Polish or Belarussian levels of homogeneity. Immigration is quite high there so those numbers will only go one way.

[Tooting Carmen]

I have no issues with Chinese and Indians. They make pretty good immigrants and largely integrate.

OK but a lot of people on this forum (not saying you necessarily) view being White as the be all and end all criteria in being an 'acceptable' immigrant, even disregarding other things like character, skills, educational level, language fluency etc.

[Grace O'Malley]

Ireland is 92% White and 80% or so Irish; more White than the UK but it's not like they have Polish or Belarussian levels of homogeneity. Immigration is quite high there so those numbers will only go one way.

It has happened very fast as well. All European countries will get less white.

[Grace O'Malley]

OK but a lot of people on this forum (not saying you necessarily) view being White as the be all and end all criteria in being an 'acceptable' immigrant, even disregarding other things like character, skills, educational level, language fluency etc.

People that are educated and fit in will be accepted more readily. Some populations are more an asset than others. Chinese and Indians are good immigrants and don't cause any problems in host countries. Polish in Ireland have been pretty well accepted and I've never heard of them being a problem.

[Ayetooey]

It has happened very fast as well. All European countries will get less white.

Yes it wasn't long ago Ireland was very socially conservative, very homogenous, and very religious; in all three aspects the country has been rapidly catching up with other NW countries. It's pretty obvious to me the way Europe, especially Western and Southern Europe, is going demographically and where it will end up. I think a lot of people on this forum are quite deluded on this topic.

[Ayetooey]

For the thread topic, individually they could pass anywhere in the UK ofc. As groups I think they pass best in Scotland or parts of the NW of England.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes it wasn't long ago Ireland was very socially conservative, very homogenous, and very religious; in all three aspects the country has been rapidly catching up with other NW countries. It's pretty obvious to me the way Europe, especially Western and Southern Europe, is going demographically and where it will end up. I think a lot of people on this forum are quite deluded on this topic.

Yes and no. Fact: take London out, and 50% of Black Caribbeans, a similar percentage of Black Africans, 60% of Bangladeshis, 40% of Indians and 20% of Pakistanis would all disappear from Britain.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes it wasn't long ago Ireland was very socially conservative, very homogenous, and very religious; in all three aspects the country has been rapidly catching up with other NW countries. It's pretty obvious to me the way Europe, especially Western and Southern Europe, is going demographically and where it will end up. I think a lot of people on this forum are quite deluded on this topic.

The change has been very rapid and I agree it is only going to get more pronounced. There should be more open discussion about this demographic change that is happening in Europe. Governments should be careful about the type of people they are allowing into their country. Look to France to see what happens and also the UK to a lesser extent. I don't mind some immigration but not to the degree of what has happened in France, UK and Germany. It should be taken into consideration how the people coming in will integrate. If this isn't addressed there will be lots of problems in the future.

[Tooting Carmen]

For the thread topic, individually they could pass anywhere in the UK ofc. As groups I think they pass best in Scotland or parts of the NW of England.

More than Wales or SW England?

[Ayetooey]

More than Wales or SW England?

They don't really look SW English to me. SW English just look like SE English but with a higher prevalence of Atlantid types. I think they look very similar to Scots, lots of Brunns, KN etc.

[Tooting Carmen]

N.B. Quite a few Black and South Asian (descended) people now living in Ireland are themselves second and third-generation types from England. (The same happens even in Wales too - when I come across Indian faces in Swansea they often have London or Birmingham accents).