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HectorOfTroy
08-23-2021, 07:10 AM
I think Western Europe (particularly Iberia and the British Isles) and Northern Europe probably has the highest DNA percentage of WHG? Most Northern Europeans even have the I Y-haplogroup which is WHG, but they have a high percentage of Aryan/Kurgan autosomal DNA too so it makes it kind of hard to say thats what WHG looked like. I was thinking they probably looked like something like Cristiano Ronaldo, Jesus Navas or Iker Casillas? cause they're far western europeans (Iberians) who are not typically med looking and have more robust cro-magnid features. And Jesus Navas has blue eyes and dark complexion which was a distinctive feature of WHG. Basically I'd imagine they'd look like non-traditional-med looking Iberians, (since the traditional med look is probably because of Near Eastern Farmer input which is not WHG) or in other words a pure atlantid with zero Near Eastern Farmer or Nordoid input.

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Paleo-Meso European face carving, it's probably from a WHG ancestor, that's pretty far back so not sure if can be used for figuring out what WHG looked like. But assuming we can use this to gauge what a WHG looked like, the face is definitely European, but doesnt really strike me as nordic or any other commonly discussed european pheno. Looks like it could belong to a very robust atlantid with big brutish but handsome features

Uranous
08-23-2021, 12:04 PM
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://es.metapedia.org/wiki/Hombre_de_Cro-Magnon

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://secher.bernard.free.fr/blog/index.php?post/2017/05/28/M%25C3%25A9langes-g%25C3%25A9n%25C3%25A9tiques-entre-chasseurs-cueilleurs-et-fermiers-en-Roumanie

The cromanon is the evolutionary race which gave birth to the Europoid man, in Europe it is the main racial component, it is altered by the contributions of the Armenoid race and the Eurasian varieties which invaded Europe in the Neolithic period.


The three hunter-gatherers from Romania are grouped together with the other individuals of the European Mesolithic, including in particular the two new Iberian genomes. They are also close to contemporary individuals from Northern Europe



http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2021/34/1/1629720198-cromagnon.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2021-34-1-1629720198-cromagnon.jpg)


http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2021/34/1/1629720234-linajes-humanos2.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2021-34-1-1629720234-linajes-humanos2.jpg)

Physical features
Comparison between the height of a "modern man" and a Cro-Magnon Man.

From the study by Broca, Quatrefages, Hamy, and Lartet of the Cro-Magnon cave remains (three adult males, a female, and a fetus), a description was derived that included high height as prominent features - one of the males measured 1 , 80 m and the tallest measured more than 1.95 m - and great cranial capacity (1590 cc). In addition, the elongated skull (dolichocephalus), the high forehead and the vault higher than the Neanderthals, the well-marked supraorbital protrusions, but not in a weatherseal or torus, the wide face, the narrow nose, the low and rectangular orbits, and the robust jaw with a very slight prognathism (almost orthognathic) with a developed and prominent chin. The tibiae are very flattened transversely (platicnemia). They were anatomically "modern" humans, physically more robust and larger than the modern European,and in general their physical traits can still be found in current European races, mainly in individuals with an Nordic
Physical features
Comparison between the height of a "modern man" and a Cro-Magnon Man.

From the study by Broca, Quatrefages, Hamy, and Lartet of the Cro-Magnon cave remains (three adult males, a female, and a fetus), a description was derived that included high height as prominent features - one of the males measured 1 , 80 m and the tallest measured more than 1.95 m - and great cranial capacity (1590 cc). In addition, the elongated skull (dolichocephalus), the high forehead and the vault higher than the Neanderthals, the well-marked supraorbital protrusions, but not in a weatherseal or torus, the wide face, the narrow nose, the low and rectangular orbits, and the robust jaw with a very slight prognathism (almost orthognathic) with a developed and prominent chin. The tibiae are very flattened transversely (platicnemia). They were anatomically "modern" humans, physically more robust and larger than the modern European,and in general their physical traits can still be found in current European races, mainly in individuals with anNordi

Komintasavalta
08-23-2021, 12:23 PM
I imagine that they like mixes between Australians and modern Europeans, like this Pitjantjatjara girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHl6zCJ2HxQ):

https://i.ibb.co/hKgVswR/20210821205319.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/rmhpnwr/20210821205607.jpg


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=109532&d=1629702872

I thought that it was fake, but maybe it's not after all (https://www.donsmaps.com/dolnivenus.html):


His initial microscopic analysis indicated that the male head had been broken in several places, glued together, and covered with a protective coating. He was told by the owners that the piece had been dipped in horse glue, once a common method of preserving bone. The ivory had apparently been shaped with flint tools. Many grooves were striated and changed configuration as the line curved. A steel blade would not make these patterns. Some strokes were overlaid with encrustations of sand and minerals that had apparently accumulated over time. Natural cracks, also filled with minerals, crossed the engraved lines, suggesting that weathering had occurred after the piece was carved. [...]

X-ray diffraction at the Peabody Museum revealed the presence of iron oxides, which give the artifact its reddish brown coloration, and fluorapatite, the result of an exchange between the ivory and minerals in the soil. Both suggest long burial in the ground. [...]

Marshack contacted Dr. Edward Zeller, director of the Radiation Physics Lab at the University of Kansas Space Technology Center, who became intrigued with the problem. He suggested alpha-particle spectral analysis to locate radioactive elements useful in estimating age. Working with fragments at first, Ed found uranium in surprising quantities. Uranium would enter the tusk only after its burial in sediment or sand where groundwater containing traces of uranium was seeping. More startling were the high counts of radium and other radioactive products of uranium decay. [...]

Back in Kansas, Ed Zeller and his associate Dr. Wakefield Dort, Jr., a Pleistocene geologist now had the carved hair piece to test. They placed it in the counting chamber of the alpha particle spectrometer for 72 hours. The final ratios of uranium to decay products suggested that the carved surface of the ivory may be about 26 000 years old.

Sandis
08-23-2021, 06:37 PM
Baltic countries, Scandinavia and Orkney Islands have the highest WHG ancestry. I would search WHG look there.

Uranous
08-23-2021, 06:41 PM
Baltic countries, Scandinavia and Orkney Islands have the highest WHG ancestry. I would search WHG look there.

In the Basque country and in the British islands also

http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2021/34/1/1629728502-haak-et-al-2015-figure-3-admixture-proportions-in-modern-dna-with-linguistic-and-historical-origins-added.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2021-34-1-1629728502-haak-et-al-2015-figure-3-admixture-proportions-in-modern-dna-with-linguistic-and-historical-origins-added.png)

Veslan
08-23-2021, 07:23 PM
Probably depends on a period. They started off as Australoid-like primitive dark skinned Proto-Caucasoids, like the Cheddar man, to later become a bit more lighter skinned and blue eyed Paleo-Atlantids, like WHG from this reconstruction:
https://blobsvc.wort.lu/picture/bbea9ba55a019d57bf5c0fec43eaf82a/519/291/wortv3/2334d8c5a0f081505ce8892d640c37f1965fa43c