Internet pornography destroying men’s ability to perform with real women, finds study

[Sol Invictus]

Internet pornography is creating a generation of young men who are hopeless in the bedroom, according to research.

Exposure to lurid images and films in the new media is de-sensitising so many young people that they are increasingly unable to become excited by ordinary sexual encounters, a report said.

The result is that impotence is no longer a problem associated with middle-aged men of poor health but is afflicting men in the prime of their lives.

According to a report in Psychology Today, a respected U.S. journal, the problem is now so common that men in their 20s consider their inability to perform to be ‘normal’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2051902/Men-use-internet-porn-likely-hopeless-bedroom.html

[Mordid]

Women need to up their game. It's escalation.

[research_centre]

Women need to up their game. It's escalation.

I think the men better follow that advice. :thumb001:

[Magister Eckhart]

I highly doubt it's merely the exposure to lewd images; it probably is more of a physical problem resulting from consistent viewing of the images and activities associated therewith. Abuse of venery does eventually cripple one's ability to participate in intercourse.

[Joe McCarthy]

I'm reminded of this. (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=456517&postcount=2)

[Logan]

I highly doubt it's merely the exposure to lewd images; it probably is more of a physical problem resulting from consistent viewing of the images and activities associated therewith. Abuse of venery does eventually cripple one's ability to participate in intercourse.

Venery \Ven"er*y\, n. [L. Venus, Veneris, the goddess of love.]
Sexual love; sexual intercourse; coition.
Contentment, without the pleasure of lawful venery, is
continence; of unlawful, chastity. --Grew.

Venery \Ven"er*y\, n. [OE. venerie, F. v['e]nerie, fr. OF. vener
to hunt, L. venari. See Venison.]
The art, act, or practice of hunting; the sports of the
chase. ``Beasts of venery and fishes.'' --Sir T. Browne.

I love hunting and venery. --Chaucer.


I'd go with Chaucer on that one.:wink

[Gordon Bennett]

The problem with porn is that it is usually designed to pander to male sexual fantasies, it pays no attention to the true nature of female sexuality. A man whose knowledge of sex comes predominantly from porn is at a huge disadvantage when with a woman in real life.

If I treated my wife the way women are treated in porn, I'd be on my way to the divorce court.

[Star Valley]

It's people living in a delusion and disconnecting from the reality, and disconnecting from what a sexual experience truly is. Porn gives only a temporary arousal, and decreases libido in men from feeling an intense orgasm (it infiltrates the psyche). It turns women into living objects and also would kill any fantasy because true seduction cannot be represented or chemically produced on film.

To be frank, sexual intercourse is significantly better then what is seen in porn videos with has the only goal of making a profit.

[Magister Eckhart]

Venery \Ven"er*y\, n. [L. Venus, Veneris, the goddess of love.]
Sexual love; sexual intercourse; coition.
Contentment, without the pleasure of lawful venery, is
continence; of unlawful, chastity. --Grew.

Venery \Ven"er*y\, n. [OE. venerie, F. v['e]nerie, fr. OF. vener
to hunt, L. venari. See Venison.]
The art, act, or practice of hunting; the sports of the
chase. ``Beasts of venery and fishes.'' --Sir T. Browne.

I love hunting and venery. --Chaucer.


I'd go with Chaucer on that one.:wink

What dictionary are you using?

According to Merriam-Webster, the definition is:

1: the pursuit of or indulgence in sexual pleasure

2: Sexual intercourse

According to OED:

1. The practice or pursuit of sexual pleasure; indulgence of sexual desire.

2. fig. A source of great enjoyment. Obs.

Therefore, "venery" applies to all pursuit of sexual pleasure and indulgence, including autoeroticism, to which, I thought it obvious, I was referring.

[Logan]

[QUOTE=Magister Eckhart;565271]What dictionary are you using?
QUOTE]

One from the internet, so that I might copy and paste.

http://dictionary.die.net/venery

[Money Shot]

Women need to up their game. It's escalation.



What is your screen name on AR15.com?

[Jake Featherston]

Women need to up their game. It's escalation.

No, they don't.

I am critical of women on any number of topics, but not for their lack of beauty. If (especially young!) men can't get aroused by ordinary women, then those men are defective. Period.

[Chip Farley]

No, they don't.

I am critical of women on any number of topics, but not for their lack of beauty. If (especially young!) men can't get aroused by ordinary women, then those men are defective. Period.

What about the obesity epidemic? :confused:

There are alot of fat chix.


http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m511/chipfarley/Miscellaneous%20Three/NoFatChicks.jpg

[Jake Featherston]

What about the obesity epidemic? :confused:

There are alot of fat chix.

If you find plump women repulsive, then you should probably date/marry/whatever a slender woman.

Do you really need someone to tell you that?

[Turkey]

Just another BS article, designed to create problems between the genders. When i was young we'd steal playboy magazines. Now they've got something a lot better. Not specifically the porn but just all the pretty girls on youtube etc.

porn's ok when you've been around the block a bit but i'm sure young guys are happy with softer stuff.

[Joe McCarthy]

Just another BS article, designed to create problems between the genders. When i was young we'd steal playboy magazines. Now they've got something a lot better. Not specifically the porn but just all the pretty girls on youtube etc.

porn's ok when you've been around the block a bit but i'm sure young guys are happy with softer stuff.

I suspect the mass use of pornography is a threat to our civilization. A beautiful woman masturbating on a screen requires a lot less maintenance and is often more alluring than a real woman. Increasingly women have difficulty competing with porn which can only tend to affect the birthrate. I'm afraid we've really let the genie out of the bottle on this one.

[Savant]

What was it that Charlie Sheen always said? I don't pay the whores to have sex, I pay them to go away afterward....


I suspect the mass use of pornography is a threat to our civilization. A beautiful woman masturbating on a screen requires a lot less maintenance and is often more alluring than a real woman. Increasingly women have difficulty competing with porn which can only tend to affect the birthrate. I'm afraid we've really let the genie out of the bottle on this one.

[Jake Featherston]

What was it that Charlie Sheen always said? I don't pay the whores to have sex, I pay them to go away afterward....

Well, that may be how wealthy celebrity degenerates think, but I don't think its bears a lot of relevance on the lives of ordinary men.

[Savant]

My point was that his sentiment on the issue could provide some insight into why many men view pornography as a more viable alternative to American women....


Well, that may be how wealthy celebrity degenerates think, but I don't think its bears a lot of relevance on the lives of ordinary men.

[Turkey]

I suspect the mass use of pornography is a threat to our civilization. A beautiful woman masturbating on a screen requires a lot less maintenance and is often more alluring than a real woman. Increasingly women have difficulty competing with porn which can only tend to affect the birthrate. I'm afraid we've really let the genie out of the bottle on this one.

What about human touch? nobody chooses a moving picture if they have the4 option of the real thing

[Curtis24]

I suspect the mass use of pornography is a threat to our civilization. A beautiful woman masturbating on a screen requires a lot less maintenance and is often more alluring than a real woman. Increasingly women have difficulty competing with porn which can only tend to affect the birthrate. I'm afraid we've really let the genie out of the bottle on this one.



In truth, porn has become a necessity of civilzation. Because of feminism, and the unleashing of women's real sexual nature, a large number of men can't find any partners or only with great difficulty. Without porn, these guys would be more likely to engage in crimes and cause all kinds of problems. ANd I suspect this mass of men will only grow larger and larger.

As for the article, I think its legit. A psychiatrist I knew once claimed the same thing, that he treats many young men who are becoming impotent due to porn.

[Curtis24]

Interestingly, but perhaps unsurprisingly, the article doesn't raise a big point - that watching beautiful, stacked woman have sex may make it difficult for men to have sex with more average-looking women.

[AussieScott]

Interestingly, but perhaps unsurprisingly, the article doesn't raise a big point - that watching beautiful, stacked woman have sex may make it difficult for men to have sex with more average-looking women.

Valid point.

Plus it makes it harder for someone to find intimacy in a long term relationship. :mad:

On the flip side it could give inexperienced couples new ideas how to improve there intimacy. If the porn was made in a more realistic way that is. :confused::eek:

I think practise makes perfect:D, so there is no substitute for the real thing. Listening to each other makes all the difference, after all that practise it becomes reflexive, to each other. :)

[The Journeyman]

I often fantasize about porn while having sex. But if I'm really in love, I usually don't.

[Han Cholo]

Interestingly, but perhaps unsurprisingly, the article doesn't raise a big point - that watching beautiful, stacked woman have sex may make it difficult for men to have sex with more average-looking women.

Most porn woman I see are just average (or even slightly below). Most of them definately are not cute angels.

[Curtis24]

Most porn woman I see are just average (or even slightly below). Most of them definately are not cute angels.

I wouldn't know... *clears throat*

[Han Cholo]

I wouldn't know... *clears throat*

I'm not a big porn fan. I already knew of its negative effects since an early age. I only watched it with friends during early moments in high school while smoking Marijuana and I remember we would laugh a lot at it and its fake dramatic acting rather than get turned on.

[Drawing-slim]

A bunch of unthankfull people here, after all its said and done, no one had the deasency to thank those hard working whores in porn for working so hard and for cheap to give us a window into a fascinating world for every everage man:D

No, we are not stupid to confuse reality with porn, and certainly not naive enough to think all women like it gentle and only like flowers and poetry etc

If anything porn has educated us to not make a fool of ouselfs, to know the defrence between a nice normal girl and a nimpho maniac that likes it rough all the time and think about sex more then the everage guy:D
Then its up to the man to choose what woman is good for him.

The rest of the crap excuses seem more for twisted weak minds.

[zack]

Unfortunately i might actually be one fo these people,the vagina is just too loose...or at least the one i had.

I think i dun got used to my hand.

[Supreme American]

No, they don't.

I am critical of women on any number of topics, but not for their lack of beauty. If (especially young!) men can't get aroused by ordinary women, then those men are defective. Period.

Agreed. I find "ordinary" white men plenty desirable.

[Supreme American]

I often fantasize about porn while having sex. But if I'm really in love, I usually don't.

You're not into the person you're with but rather the memory of watching someone else do it?! :eek:

[Supreme American]

Because of feminism, and the unleashing of women's real sexual nature, a large number of men can't find any partners or only with great difficulty.

What? Didn't feminism mean women felt more free to express their sexuality and pursue men for it? Don't pepole always complain women are too easy nowdays?

[Jake Featherston]

You're not into the person you're with but rather the memory of watching someone else do it?! :eek:

A lot (most?) men will often think of some erotic imagery in order to help bring about an, ahem, climactic resolution to the act, but thinking about some sexy thing (not necessarily porn; could be something from real life, too) in order to facilitate a timely conclusion (say, because one is growing fatigued, or one's girlfriend is getting sore, or whatever) is one thing. But if someone's fantasizing about porn all through the act, that seems morally and aesthetically repulsive.

[Turkey]

What? Didn't feminism mean women felt more free to express their sexuality and pursue men for it? Don't pepole always complain women are too easy nowdays?

A wise man once said to me....

Q. What's the difference between a slut and a prostitute?

A. A prostitute will fuck anyone. A slut will fuck anyone but you.

[The Journeyman]

You're not into the person you're with but rather the memory of watching someone else do it?! :eek:

No, not at all. Similar to what Jake said, it can help during dead time (a lot of girls are not experts when it comes to sex and I know what I like), also when the lights are off, it helps. Sex always gets better and more "organic," if you will, the more two people connect on other levels, and in that case, I fantasize about the person I'm with.

[SwordoftheVistula]

If anyone wants their dopamine rush # whatever of the day, the first article linked on the sidebar from that article in the OP is: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2052795/Courtney-Stodden-Doug-Hutchinson-kicked-pumpkin-patch.html

[Curtis24]

What? Didn't feminism mean women felt more free to express their sexuality and pursue men for it? Don't pepole always complain women are too easy nowdays?

WEll, keep in mind, I basically support feminism and women's freedom. That being said, it has resulted in more men being marginalized in society. A lot of, let us say, nerdy type guys who, in the past, would just get a job and buy a woman(since you could do that before women could earn their own money), now don't have the charisma to get a girlfriend.

[Sylvanus]

This research is bullsh... The main problem that the internet pornography popularize interbreeding and homosexuality (and bestiality and... and...).

[Turkey]

The problem is women wanting to marry at 30. When a young man want to get married he has to wait ten years and get rejected by woman after woman till he can settle down. Women are peer pressured to put off marriage.

Of course men are going to fill in the gap with internet porn.

[Argyll]

Just sounds like some prudes trying to get people to stop watching porn.

[Boudica]

:laugh2::loco:

[Curtis24]

Just sounds like some prudes trying to get people to stop watching porn.

You know, I agree with them that porn is bad. Wouldn't most young men rather be having sex with a real woman, than watching porn?

[Balmung]

Who cares if someone views porn as bad or not? Lots of people view video games as violent and causes children to go on shooting sprees. Fact is, both these industries stimulate the economy largely and we need all the stimulating we can get. No pun intended....ok maybe just a little.

[Joe McCarthy]

Who cares if someone views porn as bad or not? Lots of people view video games as violent and causes children to go on shooting sprees. Fact is, both these industries stimulate the economy largely and we need all the stimulating we can get. No pun intended....ok maybe just a little.

Basic economics: opportunity cost. Money spent on porn would be spent on something else without porn being around, such as getting a woman to reproduce with.

[Balmung]

Basic economics: opportunity cost. Money spent on porn would be spent on something else without porn being around, such as getting a woman to reproduce with.

Its capitalism though bro. One reason we have all these shitty shows on MTV. What will get produced is what people are willing to spend their time & money on. The American porn industry brings in billions. Lots of people complain about the quality of Hollywood films today. The truth is they have to get films finished regardless of rushed scripts to get butts in those theater seats to bring in the cash. Hollywood can't afford to be like other film industries spending years & years on a script just to release one masterpiece movie.

[Joe McCarthy]

Its capitalism though bro. One reason we have all these shitty shows on MTV. What will get produced is what people are willing to spend their time & money on. The American porn industry brings in billions. Lots of people complain about the quality of Hollywood films today. The truth is they have to get films finished regardless of rushed scripts to get butts in those theater seats to bring in the cash. Hollywood can't afford to be like other film industries spending years & years on a script just to release one masterpiece movie.

There are lots of things that will sell that are presently illegal - gladiatorial contests, public orgies in primetime, etc. That's no argument for their legalization.

[Turkey]

Just sounds like some prudes trying to get people to stop watching porn.

sounds right. I thought I was on Stormfront reading the posts in this thread:eek:

[Balmung]

There are lots of things that will sell that are presently illegal - gladiatorial contests, public orgies in primetime, etc. That's no argument for their legalization.

Noone gets hurt in Porn, though. Unless a chick is getting ravaged by like a 15 inch penis.

Besides you know the western world is far too soft & PC now to bring Gladiator battling back, lol.

[Oreka Bailoak]

Noone gets hurt in Porn,
I'm mainly focused on the social acceptance of the industry. VH1 makes documentaries about porn stars, famous actors in major TV shows like "Keeping up with the Kardashians", "The Simple Life" have porn videos. Rated 'R' movies are basically soft core porn. These and numerous other TV shows and movies today promote acceptance of the lewd, promiscuous, degenerate ideology.

The net effect on society is not due to the acceptance of porn itself but the acceptance of the entire mentality that permeates many industries and segments of our society today. The loss of the sacredness of sex. This effect is a loss of Social Capital.

http://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Alone-Collapse-American-Community/dp/0743203046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319657404&sr=8-1

The change in society from the 1950's until today, in our moral values, is clearly detectable- and heading totally into the wrong direction.

Many people are hurt.

http://www.aei.org/video/101414

[Argyll]

You know, I agree with them that porn is bad. Wouldn't most young men rather be having sex with a real woman, than watching porn?

There's nothing wrong with porn. If people want to fornicate for other people, let them. It's their own body. If someone else finds porn gross, that's fine, but don't try to make everyone else suffer.

[Turkey]

Less Hate, more masturbate!:icon_yell:

[Oreka Bailoak]

There's nothing wrong with porn. If people want to fornicate for other people, let them. It's their own body. If someone else finds porn gross, that's fine, but don't try to make everyone else suffer.

A collective group should watch out for their own members and strongly advocate their opinion when they believe that members of their own group are harming themselves or the collective group. We have not been moving into the correct direction morally as a society since the 1950's and the data very clearly backs my opinion in the following book.
http://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Alone-Collapse-American-Community/dp/0743203046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319657404&sr=8-1

Change in our society from the traditional moral norms to today has taken a massively harmful toll upon our society, in my opinion due to the fact that we've overreacted in tearing away too much of traditional moral norms- it's clear, just look at the survey results in that book.

I'm not talking about gay people by the way, just at the family values, moral values, community, identity. Today people feel that almost anything is acceptable and to argue for a collective group philosophy is immoral because we should only be individual and worry about ourselves. We've totally ripped to shreds our social fabric our collective identity. This breakdown in the social fabric- our core identity- of our society is causing many unnatural problems from the breakdown of the nuclear family, illegitimacy, dysgenic trends. We need to reawaken our collective interests.

[Curtis24]

There's nothing wrong with porn. If people want to fornicate for other people, let them. It's their own body. If someone else finds porn gross, that's fine, but don't try to make everyone else suffer.

There's a lot wrong with porn, but it shouldn't be made illegal. We do live in a free country.

[Balmung]

Somehow when hearing people complain about Porn being "Evil". It reminds me of something. Like every single other form of media people used to dub "Satanic shit" because it didn't agree with their idea of social norm. Be it Horror films or Metal Music. Where would we be if we restricted ourselves to "Normal". We would not have Beethoven if he didn't go against the social norms of his society and went on to create fantastic music despite the society he was apart of dubbing it "Devil music".

The fact is, most western nations have accepted Porn. Its been around for years. Its legal, how is it not a social norm in the west? Its up to a society to determine what they consider social norms. In America, some of our people would never go for certain laws in The Netherlands. Is it against the social norm just because America disagrees with it? It is the social norm for The Netherlands.

[Joe McCarthy]

There's a lot wrong with porn, but it shouldn't be made illegal. We do live in a free country.

Pornography was illegal in the US pretty pervasively until 1957, and the 20s featured censorship bureaus. Few would say we were lacking in freedom then.

[Curtis24]

Somehow when hearing people complain about Porn being "Evil". It reminds me of something. Like every single other form of media people used to dub "Satanic shit" because it didn't agree with their idea of social norm. Be it Horror films or Metal Music. Where would we be if we restricted ourselves to "Normal". We would not have Beethoven if he didn't go against the social norms of his society and went on to create fantastic music despite the society he was apart of dubbing it "Devil music".



Well, perhaps the strongest evidence is that porn actresses are usually abused drug addicts. It speaks volumes that the only people willing to partake in porn, have seroius mental problems.

[Oreka Bailoak]

Like every single other form of media people used to dub "Satanic shit" because it didn't agree with their idea of social norm. Where would we be if we restricted ourselves to "Normal". We would not have Beethoven if he didn't go against the social norms of his society and went on to create fantastic music despite the society he was apart of dubbing it "Devil music".
If we ban porn then Beethoven wouldn't have been born because we must also ban all forms of creativity. What an argument! lol.


The fact is, most western nations have accepted Porn. Its been around for years. Its legal, how is it not a social norm in the west? Its up to a society to determine what they consider social norms. In America, some of our people would never go for certain laws in The Netherlands. Is it against the social norm just because America disagrees with it? It is the social norm for The Netherlands.

Porn is not acceptable in the family environment- which is the core basis of western civilization. Everyone has a father and mother who don't want their child doing porn. Why we can't say this in open society makes no rational sense to me. Citizens are a group derived from a family that deserves respect- we aren't masses of mere individuals without any sense of collective morality- and society has not accepted porn in the core- the family environment.

[Magister Eckhart]

Somehow when hearing people complain about Porn being "Evil". It reminds me of something. Like every single other form of media people used to dub "Satanic shit" because it didn't agree with their idea of social norm. Be it Horror films or Metal Music. Where would we be if we restricted ourselves to "Normal". We would not have Beethoven if he didn't go against the social norms of his society and went on to create fantastic music despite the society he was apart of dubbing it "Devil music".

The fact is, most western nations have accepted Porn. Its been around for years. Its legal, how is it not a social norm in the west? Its up to a society to determine what they consider social norms. In America, some of our people would never go for certain laws in The Netherlands. Is it against the social norm just because America disagrees with it? It is the social norm for The Netherlands.

I normally don't waste my time on people like you, but this is a bit too much even for me. How can you possibly comment on morality at all when you've said repeatedly above that the only thing that matters to you is that the economy is running well? If all you care about is material wealth, which certainly seems to be the case, then all of this rhetoric about morality "holding back culture" is not just asinine, it's bald-faced hypocrisy. You are doing nothing but leading an attack on morality; you use every rhetorical method to accomplish this goal, but the rhetoric is empty.

You use words like "norm" with little more than a school-child's provincial understanding of the word, ignorant of social order and cultural structure bestowed by that same "social norm" you deem as evil. You sound like an idiot high-school child who refuses to "like, conform, man". Why are you wasting our time here; I'm sure Hot Topic is having some sort of sale down at the mall, and your little friends must be missing your presence in their conversation about Green Day's latest album or whose going to be at Warped Tour.

[Turkey]

This is the kind of thread which makes us look bad. Pleas close this thread.

[Curtis24]

This is the kind of thread which makes us look bad. Pleas close this thread.

That's your own opinion. It makes us look bad simply to point out that most porn acresses are screwed up?

[The Journeyman]

I think masturbating without porn is like exercise for your mind, while porn kinda causes the imagination to atrophy a bit.

But masturbation is by no means unnatural. There was a study that recently came out showing that Neanderthals may have masturbated several times a day on a regular basis. Evidence comes from several overgrown right arm bones. ;)

[Magister Eckhart]

I think masturbating without porn is like exercise for your mind, while porn kinda causes the imagination to atrophy a bit.

But masturbation is by no means unnatural. There was a study that recently came out showing that Neanderthals may have masturbated several times a day on a regular basis. Evidence comes from several overgrown right arm bones. ;)

I don't think anyone claimed it was unnatural, but certainly it is healthier to practise self-control. Everything can exist in excess, regardless of how "natural" it may be, and I'm sure autoerotic stimulation is not healthy in excessive amounts. After all, the body is only designed to produce so many sperm cells; I simply cannot believe that the supply is inexhaustible.

On a less biological level, though, it is psychologically and spiritually healthier to practise self-control in regards to sexual urges; a lack of self-control and of discipline, I think everyone here of sound mind and sound morals will agree, is never a healthy or positive thing.

[Jake Featherston]

Just sounds like some prudes trying to get people to stop watching porn.

It sounds like you've given the matter a great deal of thoughtful consideration.

[Jake Featherston]

The American porn industry brings in billions.

Billions for whom? Sleazy racketeers and pimps? Those are billions we frankly don't need.

[Jake Featherston]

Noone gets hurt in Porn, though.

You don't think women who work in the adult entertainment industry are ever harmed by it? Really?!?

[SwordoftheVistula]

Don't see what the problem is.

Actually a benefit to society as a whole, if dudes are looking at porn instead of trying to bang some middle class girl. Provides for that need or w/e while not despoiling the assorted daughters of the middle class, social conservatives should be 120% in favor of porn on this basis.

The main/only people who object are Christian fundamentalists and radical feminists. Anything which pisses off both of these groups of people gets 100% of my support.

[Magister Eckhart]

Don't see what the problem is.

Actually a benefit to society as a whole, if dudes are looking at porn instead of trying to bang some middle class girl. Provides for that need or w/e while not despoiling the assorted daughters of the middle class, social conservatives should be 120% in favor of porn on this basis.

The main/only people who object are Christian fundamentalists and radical feminists. Anything which pisses off both of these groups of people gets 100% of my support.

Here's the concern, though: what ramifications does it really have? As recently as a century ago, we had no need for all this "release" of so-called "need". Where did the "need" come from all of a sudden. It seems to me that if we view pornography from your perspective, it's still only a quick fix for a deep-seated problem in our social and cultural psychology.

[Balmung]

Well, perhaps the strongest evidence is that porn actresses are usually abused drug addicts. It speaks volumes that the only people willing to partake in porn, have seroius mental problems.

Oh wow is that really your arguement?

A lot of Hollywood actors, singers, and actresses are also drug addicts with abusive past. Raped by their parents, siblings, beaten, gang raped the whole nine yards. Couple of them killed themselves, certain ones took a shotgun to their heads, Ban them.

What makes it different? One decides to fuck somebody on camera while the other makes a few shitty pop songs? You sound just like those crappy parents "Miley Cyrus is destroying our youth! she made my child dress slutty". No your shitty parenting made your child dress slutty not Miley Cyrus.



You don't think women who work in the adult entertainment industry are ever harmed by it? Really?!?

And its THEIR own choice. Noone is forcing anyone to do porn. We are responsible for our own lives.

[Argyll]

Okay, like I said before: You people who dissaprove of pornography can dissaprove of it, teach it to other people or your kids (if you have/are going to get them), but don't try to think of getting it illegalized. It is not fair for other people who do it (the job) and the people who watch it. It's not harming anyone.

[Magister Eckhart]

Okay, like I said before: You people who dissaprove of pornography can dissaprove of it, teach it to other people or your kids (if you have/are going to get them), but don't try to think of getting it illegalized. It is not fair for other people who do it (the job) and the people who watch it. It's not harming anyone.

First of all, who gives a damn what's "fair" to whores, pimps, and whoremongers? These people should be grateful that our society has become so morally confused and soft-headed that we don't put them collectively to the sword.

Secondly, yes, it is harming people, and it's harming them greatly. What benefits are derived by the women who reduce themselves to sex toys? There's a reason why so many of them are riddled with drugs and other coping mechanisms for the way they've degraded and abused themselves for the sake of making money. That's just the affect it has on the people involved who sell themselves - it does not touch on the massive psychological ramifications of constant exposure to pornography and obsession with what is the one aspect of the human mind that is the hardest to control and submit to the self-discipline and conquering will-power that defines the superior man. It enslaves the mind, enslaves the man, and reduces us all to nothing more than soulless pleasure-seekers completely divorced from community and, ultimately, our own humanity.

The legalization and mass-production of pornography is what is really unfair, because it forces this empty life of sub-human hedonism down the throats of an entire society. Parents cannot keep their children from it, people cannot keep themselves from it. It corrodes willpower like fire consumes wood, becomes pervasive and destroys everything it touches. You speak of fairness? Fairness for whom? How fair is it that parents need to isolate their children entirely to avoid them coming into contact with this filth, when such isolation harms the child in many other ways? How fair is it to the weak-willed and peasant-minded, that their society and their leaders refuse to take up the responsibility of guiding them and protecting them, instead offering them to the wolves of addiction and exploitation?

No matter what way one looks at this subject, the pervasive nature of pornography and the encouragement of strange sexual perversions and hedonism smacks of greater irresponsibility than our language is equipped to describe. Fairness... the fact that one would have the audacity to even make such an assertion speaks to the untold levels of ignorance, immorality, and solipsism that dominate even many here in the preservationist and traditionalist communities. It is vulgarity of the first water and a distinct form of subhumanity that gives rise to such ludicrous ideas. Take your filth and ignorance elsewhere, sir.

[Curtis24]

Oh wow is that really your arguement?

A lot of Hollywood actors, singers, and actresses are also drug addicts with abusive past. Raped by their parents, siblings, beaten, gang raped the whole nine yards. Couple of them killed themselves, certain ones took a shotgun to their heads, Ban them.

What makes it different? One decides to fuck somebody on camera while the other makes a few shitty pop songs? You sound just like those crappy parents "Miley Cyrus is destroying our youth! she made my child dress slutty". No your shitty parenting made your child dress slutty not Miley Cyrus.




And its THEIR own choice. Noone is forcing anyone to do porn. We are responsible for our own lives.

I don't feel like arguing with you, because your arguments are unrealistic. Would you want your daughter to be a famous actress? How bout a famous *porn* actress? See the difference?

BTW, Miley Cyrus *is* destroying our youth!

[Argyll]

First of all, who gives a damn what's "fair" to whores, pimps, and whoremongers? These people should be grateful that our society has become so morally confused and soft-headed that we don't put them collectively to the sword.

Secondly, yes, it is harming people, and it's harming them greatly. What benefits are derived by the women who reduce themselves to sex toys? There's a reason why so many of them are riddled with drugs and other coping mechanisms for the way they've degraded and abused themselves for the sake of making money. That's just the affect it has on the people involved who sell themselves - it does not touch on the massive psychological ramifications of constant exposure to pornography and obsession with what is the one aspect of the human mind that is the hardest to control and submit to the self-discipline and conquering will-power that defines the superior man. It enslaves the mind, enslaves the man, and reduces us all to nothing more than soulless pleasure-seekers completely divorced from community and, ultimately, our own humanity.

The legalization and mass-production of pornography is what is really unfair, because it forces this empty life of sub-human hedonism down the throats of an entire society. Parents cannot keep their children from it, people cannot keep themselves from it. It corrodes willpower like fire consumes wood, becomes pervasive and destroys everything it touches. You speak of fairness? Fairness for whom? How fair is it that parents need to isolate their children entirely to avoid them coming into contact with this filth, when such isolation harms the child in many other ways? How fair is it to the weak-willed and peasant-minded, that their society and their leaders refuse to take up the responsibility of guiding them and protecting them, instead offering them to the wolves of addiction and exploitation?

No matter what way one looks at this subject, the pervasive nature of pornography and the encouragement of strange sexual perversions and hedonism smacks of greater irresponsibility than our language is equipped to describe. Fairness... the fact that one would have the audacity to even make such an assertion speaks to the untold levels of ignorance, immorality, and solipsism that dominate even many here in the preservationist and traditionalist communities. It is vulgarity of the first water and a distinct form of subhumanity that gives rise to such ludicrous ideas. Take your filth and ignorance elsewhere, sir.

Okay, ME, I'm not looking to be enemies with you, but It's not really you to say what's healthy in using sex toys first of all.
And i.e., porn has existed for a LONG time.

[Balmung]

Religion has had a much greater negative effect on society and politics than Pornography ever had. If anything needs to go in the west and espeacialy The United States, it is that and not pornography.


I don't feel like arguing with you, because your arguments are unrealistic. Would you want your daughter to be a famous actress? How bout a famous *porn* actress? See the difference?

BTW, Miley Cyrus *is* destroying our youth!

You're the one that used drug addiction and abuse as a reason to become a pornstar. Fact is, you are responsible for how you want your life to turn out. A bad child life is no excuse for your chosen profession.

I don't think you can.

Do explain how she is doing anything different from every other tween popstar singing about love since the 80's. Music like hers is designed for children its catchy and easy for them to comprehend until they come of age and dabble a bit more into more complex music.

Bad parenting *is* destroying our youth. Instead of pointing at video games, films, singers, and pornstars. Do your job as a parent.

[Humanophage]

Here's the concern, though: what ramifications does it really have? As recently as a century ago, we had no need for all this "release" of so-called "need". Where did the "need" come from all of a sudden. It seems to me that if we view pornography from your perspective, it's still only a quick fix for a deep-seated problem in our social and cultural psychology.
Prostitution was rampant a century ago, at least in Europe. Tons of famous classic literature features prostitutes. Before that in Russia, for example, there was large scale rape of serfs by the nobility. American planters raped black slaves fairly often, most Aframs showing some European admixture.

Even though the percentage of ethnic minorities in the US is rising, rape is falling considerably as pornography becomes more widely available:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZlRNyoG6l2I/SicpqVgmQgI/AAAAAAAAAHo/Dn9srdadfb4/s400/RapeRates.png

[Magister Eckhart]

This is just pathetic.


Okay, ME, I'm not looking to be enemies with you, but It's |unnecessary capitalisation| not really |missing preposition| you to say what's healthy in |improper usage of preposition; understood "regards to" ??| using sex toys |missing comma| first of all.
And |incorrect usage, opening a sentence with a conjunction| i.e. |?? improper usage: id est, meaning "that is"|, porn has existed for a LONG time.

Since you seem to be having difficulty with basic English usage grammar, I am not surprised that you completely misunderstood my statement: "What benefits are derived by the women who reduce themselves to sex toys?" I was talking about the prostitutes who appear in pornographic media making themselves into what is little more or less than a sex toy. I was not talking about the actual usage of autoerotic stimulation aids.


Religion has had a much greater negative effect on society and politics than Pornography ever had. If anything needs to go in the west and espeacialy The United States, it is that and not pornography.

Yes, because social order, incitement to self-control and discipline of the will, have not contributed in the least to cultural growth or personal betterment at all; atheistic, anarchic hedonism is so much better for our civilization. :rolleyes:

Even as someone who has very little faith in human beings, I am astounded at the levels of idiocy displayed on this board sometimes.


Prostitution was rampant a century ago, at least in Europe. Tons of famous classic literature features prostitutes. Before that in Russia, for example, there was large scale rape of serfs by the nobility. American planters raped black slaves fairly often, most Aframs showing some European admixture.

Even though the percentage of ethnic minorities in the US is rising, rape is falling considerably as pornography becomes more widely available:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZlRNyoG6l2I/SicpqVgmQgI/AAAAAAAAAHo/Dn9srdadfb4/s400/RapeRates.png

That still only makes this a quick fix: it's not doing anything to combat rape or punish the wicked, it's only redirecting evil and leaving those with the inclination to commit heinous acts to roam freely. It seems no surprise to me that the concept of the serial killer belongs to an age in which even educated men favour this easy way out rather than seek a means to preserve (or in our case, restore) moral rectitude. We cannot rely on the easy way out for the preservation of our society; by redirecting rather than conquering unhealthy and immoral urges, we are doing nothing to combat the damage they do both to the individual spirit and to the community at large.

[Balmung]

Yes, because social order, incitement to self-control and discipline of the will, have not contributed in the least to cultural growth or personal betterment at all; atheistic, anarchic hedonism is so much better for our civilization. :rolleyes:

Indeed, it also gave us great inspiration for literary works. However, that was then. This is now, and now its in the way more than ever. You list only the positives. You don't mention all the negative things it taught us. Like the mutilation of infants, how we should opress women, Human sacrifice, domestic abuse the list is very long. For all the good it has done, it does an equal amount of bad. The fact that some of the more religious nations are forming laws based on primitive beliefs is utter stupidity.

Do not mistake me for having anything against the religious. Its just baffling too me you being able to see the supposed negative impact of one and not the other. Why is that?

[SaxonCeorl]

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[derange]

autoerotic stimulation aids.



I am astounded at the levels of idiocy displayed on this board sometimes.



That still only makes this a quick fix: it's not doing anything to combat rape or punish the wicked, it's only redirecting evil and leaving those with the inclination to commit heinous acts to roam freely. It seems no surprise to me that the concept of the serial killer belongs to an age in which even educated men favour this easy way out rather than seek a means to preserve (or in our case, restore) moral rectitude. We cannot rely on the easy way out for the preservation of our society; by redirecting rather than conquering unhealthy and immoral urges, we are doing nothing to combat the damage they do both to the individual spirit and to the community at large.

Can you pleas have a cold shower next time before mentally wanking over this board?:)

[Magister Eckhart]

Can you pleas have a cold shower next time before mentally wanking over this board?:)

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to exceed your level of education. Next time I'll use words you can understand. :thumb001:



Indeed, it also gave us great inspiration for literary works. However, that was then. This is now, and now its in the way more than ever. You list only the positives. You don't mention all the negative things it taught us. Like the mutilation of infants, how we should opress women, Human sacrifice, domestic abuse the list is very long. For all the good it has done, it does an equal amount of bad. The fact that some of the more religious nations are forming laws based on primitive beliefs is utter stupidity.

Do not mistake me for having anything against the religious. Its just baffling too me you being able to see the supposed negative impact of one and not the other. Why is that?

I should say the value of morality and religious order gave us far more than merely "literary works". Further, it strikes me as supremely odd to think that somehow that which has given man social and moral order and structure, to say nothing to the very birth and cultivation of culture, can suddenly no longer be needed, unless you mean to say that the social and moral order themselves are no longer needed.

Mutilation of infants? Human sacrifice? What Western religion are you talking about? I challenge you to find any Christian source approving of either of these. In fact, if you can make your way all the way through the corpus of Christian scripture and theological commentary without finding attacks on these practises, I should be very much surprised indeed.

Oppression of women? In today's world, that's a much "oppression" has a much broader definition, owing to the broader definition of what "freedom" means. What traditionally has been considered libertine, irresponsible, or selfish is today ranked among our greatest of virtues: freedom. Morality itself falls into the category of "oppression" these days. At this point, I should say the word "oppression" has ceased to have any real meaning. Domestic abuse is the most confusing of all of these, for it seems to me that Western Civilization has ever embraced the notion that beating one's wife is wrong - even those who did it had the decency to do it behind closed doors, because at the root of the act is a shame. It has always been considered vulgar and unwarranted, it is only since the advent of the atheist age that we see anyone who dares to praise or jest about it.

I appreciate the fact that you appreciate the "positive impact" of religion on society, but what you fail to recognise is how intrinsically connected religiosity is to social order. In short, society cannot exist without some form of religion - therefore religion is not merely some fringe aspect of social study that has had positive and negative effects on society as a whole: it is the very core of society. I think you will find that the evils you recognise in savage religious rites have more to do with society than they have to do with the recognition of Divinity and the elevation of human spiritual betterment above materialism and physical pleasure. That is, of course, unless you consider self-discipline, moral order, and spiritual betterment to be "oppressive" or wrong, but from what you've just said I can't believe that you do.

[Supreme American]

The problem is women wanting to marry at 30. When a young man want to get married he has to wait ten years and get rejected by woman after woman till he can settle down. Women are peer pressured to put off marriage.

Of course men are going to fill in the gap with internet porn.

I've seen personal ads from white men in their late 40s wanting to settle down. This problem cuts both ways.

[Joe McCarthy]

If men want to get married they should do so. Same for women.

Excuses are for niggers.

[Supreme American]

Even though the percentage of ethnic minorities in the US is rising, rape is falling considerably as pornography becomes more widely available:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZlRNyoG6l2I/SicpqVgmQgI/AAAAAAAAAHo/Dn9srdadfb4/s400/RapeRates.png

Correlation isn't causation.

[Beorn]

I masturbated last night to porn. Stacey Valentine is a whore goddess.

I woke up this morning to my missus sucking my cock. I made her cum before I did. I went into town to find out that the sex of my child-to-be was a boy.

I even had the energy to do the morning in the evening.

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[Supreme American]

Religion has had a much greater negative effect on society and politics than Pornography ever had. If anything needs to go in the west and espeacialy The United States, it is that and not pornography.

This is a very generalized statement. Actually, Christianity is a huge reason why Europe was preserved from repeated Islamic invasions.

Also, religion was a big driving force against miscegenation until the slow popularization of racial liberalism, then churches changed their theology to suit.

[R4ge]

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[Supreme American]

I masturbated last night to porn. Stacey Valentine is a whore goddess.

I woke up this morning to my missus sucking my cock. I made her cum before I did. I went into town to find out that the sex of my child-to-be was a boy.

I even had the energy to do the morning in the evening.

I've never understood the use of porn if you have someone, but whatever suits you, bro.

[Beorn]

I've never understood the use of porn if you have someone, but whatever suits you, bro.

1) Male.
2) Ten years into a relationship.
3) Male.
4) Ten years into a relationship.
5) Two children.
6) Did I mention the years of commitment already?

[Joe McCarthy]

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Obscenity laws made most pornography illegal in the US for most of our history.

And somehow we got by.

[Magister Eckhart]

Obscenity laws made most pornography illegal in the US for most of our history.

And somehow we got by.

Hear, hear; a hundred times, yes.

[R4ge]

Obscenity laws made most pornography illegal in the US for most of our history.

And somehow we got by.

Teens in the US are having sex at a rate which is much lower than it was during the 20th century. Internet porn is to thank for that in part.

[Turkey]

I've never understood the use of porn if you have someone, but whatever suits you, bro.

From what I remember you are quite a young lady?

As women get further into a relationship you lose interest in sex (well with your partner anyway) and despite feminist propaganda it has nothing to do with whether the man is an attentive lover or not.

Also after the early twenties a woman's sex drive drops a lot. By 30 it's virtually non-existent.Again, despite what feminist propaganda tells you.

Sometimes having someone is why you need porn.

That goes for any of you young guys on here claiming how bad porn is. ;)

6 months you have to initiate all the time, 1 year you are getting knocked back a lot. 2 years, it's porno time.:D

And that's always the time frame. I've done it three times. Maybe it's my time frame. I don't know.:D

[Joe McCarthy]

Teens in the US are having sex at a rate which is much lower than it was during the 20th century. Internet porn is to thank for that in part.

Your first sentence is probably untrue, and your second sentence is impossible to prove. Illegitimacy rates were lower in the US pre-60s than they are now.

[Beorn]

Teens in the US are having sex at a rate which is much lower than it was during the 20th century. Internet porn is to thank for that in part.


Really!? When you say that, do you mean 1900 - 1960 and beyond, or comparing the US of 2000+ with the US of 1900 to 1999?

I would have to see a source for that claim. :)

[Supreme American]

Also after the early twenties a woman's sex drive drops a lot. By 30 it's virtually non-existent.Again, despite what feminist propaganda tells you.

I'm well beyond my early 20s and I'll tell you right now this statement is utter nonsense. My libido hasn't changed at all since my teens.

:tongue

[R4ge]

Your first sentence is probably untrue, and your second sentence is impossible to prove. Illegitimacy rates were lower in the US pre-60s than they are now.

What explains the sudden drop in teen sexual activity during recent times? You think it's just abstinence classes? It's impossible to prove though one can use reasoning. Teenagers are horny, without porn they would be much more inclined to have sex. With porn, abstinence during your teenage years is much easier. If you look at the astronomically high STD rates in the US among young people you should realize that porn is a much better alternative to promiscuity which can have fatal or life damaging consequences (STDs, pregnancy).


Really!? When you say that, do you mean 1900 - 1960 and beyond, or comparing the US of 2000+ with the US of 1900 to 1999?

I would have to see a source for that claim. :)

Meant to say late 20th century, before internet porn was as popular as it now is.

[Joe McCarthy]

What explains the sudden drop in teen sexual activity during recent times?

The rise in fundamentalist Protestantism, perhaps? I don't know, but what I do know is that the illegitimacy rate skyrocketed after the Supreme Court's Roth decision, which was the beginning of the weakening of our obscenity laws. Free love, bastard kids, and easily available porn all happened together.

[R4ge]

The rise in fundamentalist Protestantism, perhaps? I don't know, but what I do know is that the illegitimacy rate skyrocketed after the Supreme Court's Roth decision, which was the beginning of the weakening of our obscenity laws. Free love, bastard kids, and easily available porn all happened together.

Do you believe porn promotes promiscuity? Many women watch porn these days and women are indeed easier than ever when they are in their early 20s however it seems that's more due to other social reasons, the media and the weakening of the family structure, not pornography itself.

[Turkey]

I'm well beyond my early 20s and I'll tell you right now this statement is utter nonsense. My libido hasn't changed at all since my teens.

:tongue

well you are a woman so I wouldn't expect you to know:)

But you're wrong

[BiałaZemsta]

well you are a woman so I wouldn't expect you to know:)

But you're wrong

Are you insane? I am quite sure that a female knows more about herself than you possibly could know. Plus why would her being a woman cause her to not know? Please explain..

[Turkey]

Are you insane? I am quite sure that a female knows more about herself than you possibly could know. Plus why would her being a woman cause her to not know? Please explain..

Sometimes we can observe others than we know ourself no?

Would you take dating advice form a woman or from a man who's been successful dating?

[AussieScott]

well you are a woman so I wouldn't expect you to know:)

But you're wrong

Women's libido can be affected just like a man's impotence.

Sometimes a man or women can be turned off by the attitude or sour relationship...

[BiałaZemsta]

Sometimes we can observe others than we know ourself no?

Would you take dating advice form a woman or from a man who's been successful dating?

Thats not the point. If she sais she still has her libido, she still has it.

[Turkey]

Thats not the point. If she sais she still has her libido, she still has it.

I'm sure she does. How does that negate my original point?

[Turkey]

Women's libido can be affected just like a man's impotence.

Sometimes a man or women can be turned off by the attitude or sour relationship...

well that makes sense. My half life must be 6 months. Every 6 months they get turned off by me twice as much:thumb001:

[R4ge]

You don't know what you're talking about. Men's libido decreases as we age, women's sex drive increases on the other hand.

[AussieScott]

You don't know what you're talking about. Men's libido decreases as we age, women's sex drive increases on the other hand.

It's not as simple as that. Though I do agree with the accepted basic biology of standard normality of what should happen, to holistically healthy men and women when they age.

My explanation is your 19.

[SwordoftheVistula]

As recently as a century ago, we had no need for all this "release" of so-called "need". Where did the "need" come from all of a sudden.

People get married a lot later due to technological/societal changes. A century or more ago, men entered the workforce in their teenage years, and got married to a woman who had probably never finished high school. Now, with technology and advancements (and also some bullshit), people need or think they need a college education to enter the workforce, and now even a graduate degree. Add in that some people take an extra year or two to finish, or take off time during or between schooling, and you have guys entering the workforce in their mid 20s instead of mid teens. Also add in the rising housing costs, and you add more years, how many depending on which part of the country you live in.


Obscenity laws made most pornography illegal in the US for most of our history.

And somehow we got by.

Prostitution was pretty open & common back then, more so than today

[derange]

I think that now it is , especially for me, important to find love and to settle down and then we can be sure that our race and culture survive.

[Laudanum]

Porn is just like a movie; it's fiction.

Anyone who confuses it with reality should die.

[rhiannon]

From what I remember you are quite a young lady?
As women get further into a relationship you lose interest in sex (well with your partner anyway) and despite feminist propaganda it has nothing to do with whether the man is an attentive lover or not.

Also after the early twenties a woman's sex drive drops a lot. By 30 it's virtually non-existent. Again, despite what feminist propaganda tells you.
Nope. Pretty much everything I have ever read and understood about female sexuality states that female sex drive peaks in our late 30s to early 40s.
My life experiences also refute your assertion about our sex drive tanking after the age of 30.

Perhaps you have had some bad luck with the ladies in your life? MY drive peaked from ages 30-38. God, I was crazy-horny all the time!!

[Balmung]

Mutilation of infants?

Old Testament



Human sacrifice?

God is bipolar and contradicts himself often. He oposses Human sacrifice on one occassion and then accepts it on another.

Also what is this evil you keep reffering to? God himself was a very "evil" man who blurred the lines between good and evil. His death toll destroys Satan's.


In short, society cannot exist without some form of religion


Proof?

Statistics don't back your claim. Some of the most secular countries in the world all report being the happiest. They're generaly very progressive, charitable, & innovative nations. This can even be seen in the United States. The North has been far more progressive than the south. Not only within the buisness world but with laws as well. The bible belt trumps the rest of America's crime rate. If you need religion to tell you not to kill someone. Then there's something already wrong with your brain to begin with.

[Magister Eckhart]

Old Testament

If you're talking about circumcision, that's made irrelevant by Paul. See Romans and 1 Corinthians, and I believe Ephesians for more information.



God is bipolar and contradicts himself often. He oposses Human sacrifice on one occassion and then accepts it on another.

When does go ever accept human sacrifice? You're just inventing things now. Even if you reference Isaac, it's fairly clear that God never intended Abraham to kill his son - the point of the Myth is not the superficial aspect that you focus on (as I would expect) but the importance of obedience, putting the Divine above all things physical and material.


Also what is this evil you keep reffering to? God himself was a very "evil" man who blurred the lines between good and evil. His death toll destroys Satan's.

First of all, God is not a man. Secondly, God is Good. Not as an adjective, but as a synonym. Thirdly, your focus on the Old Testament in reference to a criticism of Christianity makes you as ignorant as any idiot fundamentalist. I haven't the time to waste arguing with idiots.

[Argyll]

First of all, God is not a man. Secondly, God is Good. Not as an adjective, but as a synonym. Thirdly, your focus on the Old Testament in reference to a criticism of Christianity makes you as ignorant as any idiot fundamentalist. I haven't the time to waste arguing with idiots.

I'm sorry, what? :p

[Savant]

I'm going to guess this "study" was done by a couple of fat, ugly chicks :p

I think we could make some "progress" on this "problem" if women started being more attractive.

[Christian552]

I'm going to guess this "study" was done by a couple of fat, ugly chicks :p

I think we could make some "progress" on this "problem" if women started being more attractive.

No hot girls in Quebec? :confused:

[Christian552]

I'm going to guess this "study" was done by a couple of fat, ugly chicks :p

I think we could make some "progress" on this "problem" if women started being more attractive.

Btw, I like those fake blue contacts

[Savant]

Au contraire, VERY many hot girls in Quebec. Although I'm not there at the moment. I was living there when I registered this account, and lived there for 3 years. Quebec is some kind of twilight zone for hot women, they're everywhere. The men there think this is normal. They are just kind of like "yeah, women are supposed to be beautiful...", and don't get why you think that's abnormal. Of course, there are gorgeous women everywhere, but it's just so common there it's unreal.


No hot girls in Quebec? :confused:

[Christian552]

Au contraire, VERY many hot girls in Quebec. Although I'm not there at the moment. I was living there when I registered this account, and lived there for 3 years. Quebec is some kind of twilight zone for hot women, they're everywhere. The men there think this is normal. They are just kind of like "yeah, women are supposed to be beautiful...", and don't get why you think that's abnormal. Of course, there are gorgeous women everywhere, but it's just so common there it's unreal.

I'm from Toronto, there's a lot of hot girls here too, so many mixed girls of different ethnicities. :thumb001:

I haven't been to Quebec since I was like 7 years old, I will definitely be taking a road trip there now though.

[Savant]

It's not unusual for unattractive women to accuse other women with stunning bodies of having plastic surgery. I guess there's no reason to believe that the dynamic towards men with unbearably handsome eyes would be any different... :cool:


Btw, I like those fake blue contacts

[Phil75231]

Is internet porn destroying men’s ability to perform with real women?

The answer is a plain and simple NO. Pornography is popular even among young men having little troble finding women to sleep with. The only think I will concede is that it MIGHT cause men to have unrealistic standards in women with regard to sex appeal (but even that has nothing to do with performance, which is what the OP concerns itself with).

Performance has to do with imagination, experience, and knowing what the woman wants (although women themselves have just as much responsibility for their own performance as men do theirs, but that's a different topic).


My life experiences also refute your assertion about our sex driving tanking after the age of 30.

Women's doesn't tank, but men's starts to - at least a lot of them. Mine started to ebb when I was about 28 or 29, particularly when I realized there's bigger things in life than getting laid - like pursuing hobbies that reflected my true authentic personality AND were culturally/intellectually/spiritually redeeming form me. That taught me right then and there that I didn't need a woman in my life to be happy. In fact, I threw myself so deeply into my work and my hobbies that - increasingly - I saw I could go all day without thinking about sex to any real degree. Back in my early 30s (10-14 yrs ago) I even wondered if I were turning into an asexual. I eventually doubted I was, given I still have some small interest in women. I'm still somewhat interested in them, but not enough to really motivate me to pursue "her". I've been firmly in that category for at least ten years - more if you count 28-29 as the time my sex drive took the big swan dive.


There was a precedent to that though -- at age 28, my oldest nephew was about 6 months old, and babies being as demanding as they are, I realized I just don't have the emotional/mental energy or desire to be a father. That decision to be permanent child-free also made me question what point there is to seeking out a relationship.

To reiterate the point: There's a surprising number of men who are at or near 30 who have rather little interest in relationships, or even sex itself. It happened to me, and even a few other guys I know of.

[Savant]

Well I think we can all agree that this problem wouldn't exist if women would just quit being ugly...

[rhiannon]

Is internet porn destroying men’s ability to perform with real women?

The answer is a plain and simple NO. Pornography is popular even among young men having little troble finding women to sleep with. The only think I will concede is that it MIGHT cause men to have unrealistic standards in women with regard to sex appeal (but even that has nothing to do with performance, which is what the OP concerns itself with).

Performance has to do with imagination, experience, and knowing what the woman wants (although women themselves have just as much responsibility for their own performance as men do theirs, but that's a different topic).

Women's doesn't tank, but men's starts to - at least a lot of them. Mine started to ebb when I was about 28 or 29, particularly when I realized there's bigger things in life than getting laid - like pursuing hobbies that reflected my true authentic personality AND were culturally/intellectually/spiritually redeeming form me. That taught me right then and there that I didn't need a woman in my life to be happy. In fact, I threw myself so deeply into my work and my hobbies that - increasingly - I saw I could go all day without thinking about sex to any real degree. Back in my early 30s (10-14 yrs ago) I even wondered if I were turning into an asexual. I eventually doubted I was, given I still have some small interest in women. I'm still somewhat interested in them, but not enough to really motivate me to pursue "her". I've been firmly in that category for at least ten years - more if you count 28-29 as the time my sex drive took the big swan dive.


There was a precedent to that though -- at age 28, my oldest nephew was about 6 months old, and babies being as demanding as they are, I realized I just don't have the emotional/mental energy or desire to be a father. That decision to be permanent child-free also made me question what point there is to seeking out a relationship.

To reiterate the point: There's a surprising number of men who are at or near 30 who have rather little interest in relationships, or even sex itself. It happened to me, and even a few other guys I know of.

It happens to women also....typically after the birth of a child. Immediately after the birth....it's the opposite. At least I was a walking bag of horndog for about a week or so after my son and daughter were born...lol

Afterward, though? The demands of children, and marriage and its associated stresses combine to kill the ol' libido for many women. I am lucky because hubs and I are also best friends, besides being married. Even if or when there is no chance for sex in the equation, we still enjoy each other's company:)

[rhiannon]

Well I think we can all agree that this problem wouldn't exist if women would just quit being ugly...
Why are you saying these things? You seriously think women are solely to blame, here?

[Savant]

Who said anything about blame or "sole" blame? You style of argument is always such that you put words in other people's mouths. I just said that the problem would generally cease to exist if women would just quit being ugly...

How often is it that women let themselves go after getting into a serious relationship or getting married? It's a pretty well known phenomenon. Many seem to feel that they have a mate and thus need to put less effort into their appearance/shape/aesthetics. Then when the male has decreased sexual interest in them and, apparently in some cases, starts to prefer pornography then they are just "shocked", and it's the porn's fault? I also think the general demeanor, sense of entitlement, and general attitude towards men and relationships of most American women serves to make porn a more desirable option for men who are unable to procure sex access to attractive women without commitment, which is probably most men.


Why are you saying these things? You seriously think women are solely to blame, here?

[Turkey]

Is internet porn destroying men’s ability to perform with real women?

The answer is a plain and simple NO. Pornography is popular even among young men having little troble finding women to sleep with. The only think I will concede is that it MIGHT cause men to have unrealistic standards in women with regard to sex appeal (but even that has nothing to do with performance, which is what the OP concerns itself with).

Performance has to do with imagination, experience, and knowing what the woman wants (although women themselves have just as much responsibility for their own performance as men do theirs, but that's a different topic).



Women's doesn't tank, but men's starts to - at least a lot of them. Mine started to ebb when I was about 28 or 29, particularly when I realized there's bigger things in life than getting laid - like pursuing hobbies that reflected my true authentic personality AND were culturally/intellectually/spiritually redeeming form me. That taught me right then and there that I didn't need a woman in my life to be happy. In fact, I threw myself so deeply into my work and my hobbies that - increasingly - I saw I could go all day without thinking about sex to any real degree. Back in my early 30s (10-14 yrs ago) I even wondered if I were turning into an asexual. I eventually doubted I was, given I still have some small interest in women. I'm still somewhat interested in them, but not enough to really motivate me to pursue "her". I've been firmly in that category for at least ten years - more if you count 28-29 as the time my sex drive took the big swan dive.


There was a precedent to that though -- at age 28, my oldest nephew was about 6 months old, and babies being as demanding as they are, I realized I just don't have the emotional/mental energy or desire to be a father. That decision to be permanent child-free also made me question what point there is to seeking out a relationship.

To reiterate the point: There's a surprising number of men who are at or near 30 who have rather little interest in relationships, or even sex itself. It happened to me, and even a few other guys I know of.

Well not all of us got our nuts ripped off in a combine harvesting accident.

[rhiannon]

Who said anything about blame or "sole" blame? You style of argument is always such that you put words in other people's mouths. I just said that the problem would generally cease to exist if women would just quit being ugly...
You're talking about my style of argument...when you make blanket statements like this? I dunno...looks to me like you're blaming women for a problem men are having. If you're not...perhaps it might have been better for this statement to be worded a little differently.:thumb001:

How often is it that women let themselves go after getting into a serious relationship or getting married? Yes, this happens. Much of this is tightly correlated with the fact women bear the children...and while some women bounce back fairly fast from the whole process of childbirth etc....others do not. Childbirth, nursing, caring for small children...often several at the same time.....this takes a LOT out of a woman.

I certainly hope you understand this:)


It's a pretty well known phenomenon. Many seem to feel that they have a mate and thus need to put less effort into their appearance/shape/aesthetics. Note...married men fall into this same trap. It's not just the women.


Then when the male has decreased sexual interest in them and, apparently in some cases, starts to prefer pornography then they are just "shocked", and it's the porn's fault? I've never had a problem with porn and even if the situation you describe here applied to my life, I still would not blame the porn. In fact, I like porn better than my husband does:eek:


I also think the general demeanor, sense of entitlement, and general attitude towards men and relationships of most American women serves to make porn a more desirable option for men who are unable to procure sex access to attractive women without commitment, which is probably most men.Do you think American men have nothing left to be desired? Is it all about the women? This is how you make it sound... I mean...it takes two to tango, don't you think?

Look at Gay men for example....why are so many gay men hot? They take better care of themselves than their hetero counterparts do, as a rule. They are usually more attractive to look at than a married, hetero man is.

Why is this? Sort of seems to me like things go both ways.:noidea:

[derange]

Look at Gay men for example....why are so many gay men hot? They take better care of themselves than their hetero counterparts do, as a rule. They are usually more attractive to look at than a married, hetero man is.


Gay men are hot? could have fooled me:confused:

[Christian552]

It's not unusual for unattractive women to accuse other women with stunning bodies of having plastic surgery. I guess there's no reason to believe that the dynamic towards men with unbearably handsome eyes would be any different... :cool:

My eyes are sexier :laugh:

[rhiannon]

Gay men are hot? could have fooled me:confused:

Yea. I like clean-cut men, though:)

[Boudica]

This "study" is ridiculous. Perhaps it's only true for men who watch these things and then try to have sex with their ugly, fat girlfriends.

[Turkey]

Yes by this standard women should all be wearing burkas, in case all the hot women around turn men off their own girl.

Good looking women are only in porn?????:rolleyes2:

[rhiannon]

Yes by this standard women should all be wearing burkas, in case all the hot women around turn men off their own girl.

Good looking women are only in porn?????:rolleyes2:

Agree. An awful lot of porn stars look like nothing more than skanks, truthfully. You have to shop around for those who look more *normal* LOL

[Supreme American]

well you are a woman so I wouldn't expect you to know:)

But you're wrong

I think I know me more than you know me. And I don't think I'm vastly different than other women.

[Supreme American]

You don't know what you're talking about. Men's libido decreases as we age, women's sex drive increases on the other hand.

:eek: I hope not!

[Savant]

You're talking about my style of argument...when you make blanket statements like this? I dunno...looks to me like you're blaming women for a problem men are having. If you're not...perhaps it might have been better for this statement to be worded a little differently.:thumb001:

Yes, which is why I specified it was a generalization by using the term "generally" when I said it, Einstein. No, I'm not blaming women for a problem men are having. Women are the ones with the problem, not men. It's men who PREFER the pornography over the women. Who's the one with the problem? Not the men... The women are the one's complaining that their men are disinterested in them. The men aren't complaining "oh woe as me, I am just so troubled that I am arroused by porn". Perhaps this would all be more clear had you comprehended the statement a bit better. :thumb001:


Yes, this happens. Much of this is tightly correlated with the fact women bear the children...and while some women bounce back fairly fast from the whole process of childbirth etc....others do not. Childbirth, nursing, caring for small children...often several at the same time.....this takes a LOT out of a woman.

I certainly hope you understand this:)

No, it's not. This happens in many, maybe most cases before the woman bears children. We're talking about two entirely different issues here and you're trying to false substitue one with the other. The effect of childbirth on physique has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is the tendency for women to loose much regard for their appearance after they've procured a mate, then be mystified at the fact that the male looses sexual interest in them. Further, even though your point is irrelevant to this discussion, it's also largely incorrect. Both nursing and caring for small children BURN calories, not cause weight gain. Of course having children generally doesn't do so much for a physique, but women tend to bounce back pretty well if they aren't beyond their mid 20s. In anycase this (mostly false) interjection is irrelevant.



Note...married men fall into this same trap. It's not just the women.
I've never had a problem with porn and even if the situation you describe here applied to my life, I still would not blame the porn. In fact, I like porn better than my husband does:eek:

Way to kill the straw man. Of course you'll note that I never said it was just the women. Many women don't have any problem with porn, but WOULD have a problem with porn if the male was sexually disinterested in them, but was still arroused by pornography, it would likely start to bother them.


Do you think American men have nothing left to be desired? Is it all about the women? This is how you make it sound... I mean...it takes two to tango, don't you think?

Yes, I think American men are generally more ideal mates for women than Amercan women are for men, generally speaking of course. And yes, I have lived abroad. Do I think American men have nothing left to be desired? I don't know exactly what your asking... But no women abroad are generally fond of American men. Yet you'd have a bit more difficulty finding a foreign man lauding the characteristics of American women. Is it all about the women? Is what all about the women? It takes two to tango? What does that mean in the context of this discussion? Yes, and as much as I hate to admit it, and wish it weren't so, American women are generally not the most desirable "tango partners". If you could clarify your questions a bit more I'd be happy to address them.


Look at Gay men for example....why are so many gay men hot? They take better care of themselves than their hetero counterparts do, as a rule. They are usually more attractive to look at than a married, hetero man is.

Why is this? Sort of seems to me like things go both ways.:noidea:

Of course, I could be a pedantic moron and note your "blanket statement" and throw an irrelevant rant about it, but I'm actually addressing the topic instead, see how that works? :thumb001: Yes, gay men stay better looking because they are courting other MEN, and as such know that physical attraction is of far more importance for MEN. You'll note how the opposite is generally true for lesbians, do you want to guess WHY that is? Ever notice how very many average or unattractive men, like wealthy men or ugly, but successful atheletes can end up with stunning women? Notice how it doesn't seem to work the other way? Ever think that selection criteria and the basis for attraction with women and men differ to some degree? You'll notice that we haven't seen any similar study about women opting for pornography over their men. Wonder why that could be the case? I'll give you a few days while you process all of this information... :cool:

[Supreme American]

I'm going to guess this "study" was done by a couple of fat, ugly chicks :p

I think we could make some "progress" on this "problem" if women started being more attractive.

If this was the issue, then why do so many white men go for plain-Jane standard issue Orientals? They all have straight hair and no makeup. Not what I'd call a knockout by a longshot. It's not like the majority of white women are 400 lbs or something.

[Supreme American]

How often is it that women let themselves go after getting into a serious relationship or getting married? It's a pretty well known phenomenon.

I don't know how common it is, and I also don't know how common it is for the men to do the same. Obviously, both should be maintaining themselves for their greater overall health and for the pleasure of their partner.

[Turkey]

I think I know me more than you know me.wrong, I know you better
And I don't think I'm vastly different than other women. you aren't. you're all identical. That's my point.:p

[Supreme American]

Ever notice how very many average or unattractive men, like wealthy men or ugly, but successful atheletes can end up with stunning women?

I've seen some literally gorgeous white men with mulattas, Orientals, and even overweight Mexicans. Granted, it's a small minority, but it does happen.

[Supreme American]

wrong, I know you better you aren't. you're all identical. That's my point.:p

Oppositionism, your philosophy. In other words you're trolling. I'm through with you.

[Turkey]

Oppositionism, your philosophy. In other words you're trolling. I'm through with you.

Of course you are through with me. I'm trying to get you to confront reality. The common consensus on everything has evolved to deny reality and replace it with something the majority is more comfortable with.

[Phil75231]

Well not all of us got our nuts ripped off in a combine harvesting accident.

How old are you, Turkey? About 22 at the oldest?

When you get to be 30, you'll understand. If you already hit 30 - or especially if well past that - then the very fact that you asked that question shows how little growing up you did since you were 22 at the latest.

[rhiannon]

Yes, which is why I specified it was a generalization by using the term "generally" when I said it, Einstein. No, I'm not blaming women for a problem men are having. Women are the ones with the problem, not men. It's men who PREFER the pornography over the women. Who's the one with the problem? Not the men... The women are the one's complaining that their men are disinterested in them. The men aren't complaining "oh woe as me, I am just so troubled that I am arroused by porn". Perhaps this would all be more clear had you comprehended the statement a bit better.

I dunno. If I were a dude who couldn't get it up with a LIVE partner? I think that would be a slight problem. So, it is wrong-headed of you to assume women are the ones with the problem. It affects both sexes, and sucks for all concerned. I can only imagine men would prefer having sex with a human being, as opposed to images on a computer screen?


No, it's not. This happens in many, maybe most cases before the woman bears children. We're talking about two entirely different issues here and you're trying to false substitue one with the other. The effect of childbirth on physique has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is the tendency for women to loose much regard for their appearance after they've procured a mate, then be mystified at the fact that the male looses sexual interest in them. Further, even though your point is irrelevant to this discussion, it's also largely incorrect. Both nursing and caring for small children BURN calories, not cause weight gain. Of course having children generally doesn't do so much for a physique, but women tend to bounce back pretty well if they aren't beyond their mid 20s. In anycase this (mostly false) interjection is irrelevant. Have you had a baby emerge from some bodily orifice, sir? Have you stayed home and cared for children? (I don't deny this is possible....but the other certainly isn't). Isn't it a bit presumptuous to make the assertions you are making, here....without having lived it yourself?

You are saying that women lose interest in caring for their appearance as a result of being married. I submit to you that the reason you are giving is FLAT, and that you must include the element children bring into the equation. There are a multitude of reasons why women may not show the same level of interest in their appearance or overall grooming than JUST being in a relationship.

I could be rude back at you, as you are being with me, but I am not going to engage in personal insults. ;)


Way to kill the straw man. This is not a phrase I ever use or see used....except here on TA...so I really don't know what you are getting at.


Of course you'll note that I never said it was just the women. Many women don't have any problem with porn, but WOULD have a problem with porn if the male was sexually disinterested in them, but was still arroused by pornography, it would likely start to bother them.
Oh, I know plenty of women....and even some men who have issues with porn for its own sake.


Yes, I think American men are generally more ideal mates for women than Amercan women are for men, generally speaking of course. And yes, I have lived abroad. Please explain why you think this.


Do I think American men have nothing left to be desired? I don't know exactly what your asking... But no women abroad are generally fond of American men. Yet you'd have a bit more difficulty finding a foreign man lauding the characteristics of American women. Is it all about the women? Is what all about the women? It takes two to tango? What does that mean in the context of this discussion? Yes, and as much as I hate to admit it, and wish it weren't so, American women are generally not the most desirable "tango partners". If you could clarify your questions a bit more I'd be happy to address them.
If you can explain to me why you feel American men are, on the whole, more desireable as partners than American women are (let us assume neither are fat nor ugly, for the sake of discussion), it will go further toward my understanding of why it seems to me that you are basically blaming the women more than the men. I personally feel neither deserve greater blame than the other...and this is sort of what I meant by *It takes two to tango*

Marriage is not a one-sided affair....and BOTH partners must work toward mutual goals, otherwise the marriage is doomed to fail.


Yes, gay men stay better looking because they are courting other MEN, and as such know that physical attraction is of far more importance for MEN. Physical attraction is important for women also. The horniest I have ever, ever been in my LIFE was for the man I have beenmost physically attracted to. However, the man was not good for me in the long run....and any relationship built mostly upon sexual attraction is really not much of a relationship at all...because how do you deal with each other when you are OUT of the bedroom?


You'll note how the opposite is generally true for lesbians, do you want to guess WHY that is? Agree. Most lesbos are heinous. LOL!


Ever notice how very many average or unattractive men, like wealthy men or ugly, but successful atheletes can end up with stunning women? Notice how it doesn't seem to work the other way? Ever think that selection criteria and the basis for attraction with women and men differ to some degree? I'm well aware, and I know a lot about this, actually. Anyone who majored in life or social sciences as I did is going to understand this. However, your initial commentary about how this "situation would be less of an issue if women were less ugly" struck me as unfairly misogynistic. I have responded to you in order to explain that the situation described in this post (generally) has not occurred in a vacuum....but it seems you don't agree. Yet, how can you speak for women and the issues we face, when you are NOT one?


You'll notice that we haven't seen any similar study about women opting for pornography over their men. Wonder why that could be the case? I'll give you a few days while you process all of this information... Of course. I am such a 'tard that I cannot possibly understand anything you've said here. :rolleyes:

[Turkey]

How old are you, Turkey? About 22 at the oldest?

When you get to be 30, you'll understand. If you already hit 30 - or especially if well past that - then the very fact that you asked that question shows how little growing up you did since you were 22 at the latest.

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[Savant]

Well, generally (not always of course) white men who go for say asians or latinas (in a serious relationship of course, not in a recreational sexual trist), are often white men who can not procure a white woman who's as attractive as they'd like. So, they figure they can get a more attractive asian or hispanic than they could a white girl (and they're often right), and I think they often feel some bitterness or sense of rejection from white women, so I think it's all the right ingredients to push them into other ethnic groups.

Also, to be completely honest, and I know you're not going to like this, but the draw of Asian women to many men is that they typically lack the sense of entitlement and feministic male hatred that is more or less standard issue with white American women these days. No matter what they look like, they aren't male hating feminazis with this absurd sense of entitlement, and what can I say? That's attractive... It's a very attractive proposition to NOT have to deal with that, and to not be subjected to enduring that your whole life... Asian women are generally much less opposed to traditional roles, so if that's what you're looking for, that's another attractive feature. Asian women generally act more womanly and feminine, they more often extol traditionally female qualities, and that's appealing to many men. When I say "traditonally female" I don't mean barefoot in the kitchen and have no job, etc. On the contrary, Asian women are the most highly paid women in the nation. So, I think some white males who just aren't going to get a "knockout" white woman anyways, and maybe have some bitterness towards white women because of rejection, or any other issue which has embittered them, like that Repub guy for example, will be inclined to opt for a nonwhite female. Also some guys for whom it's their heart's desire to have a traditional famile with traditional roles, let's face it, he may have a hard time find a white American woman who's willing to go for that. Certainly he could find someone who's willing to sit at home and be supported, but a woman who's actually willing to do all of the things which women of eras past did, and invest that much into the home and children? Ehh, that can be tougher to find in a white woman than in an asian woman honestly. I don't approve of it, and don't reccoment it. However, a man who's hearts desire is to have a traditional life will find that very appealing, and will sacrifice in other areas to have it...


If this was the issue, then why do so many white men go for plain-Jane standard issue Orientals? They all have straight hair and no makeup. Not what I'd call a knockout by a longshot. It's not like the majority of white women are 400 lbs or something.

[Jake Featherston]

porn has existed for a LONG time.

There has been erotic art for thousands of years, and pornographic films and/or photos have been around since (at least) the late 19th century, but the mass industrial production & global dissemination of hard-core pornography has only been a part of the human experience for about fifteen years.

[Jake Featherston]

Can you pleas have a cold shower next time before mentally wanking over this board?:)

Someone was making an intelligent point, but fortunately a girl has shown up in order to ridicule him as a sexual deviant, based on his choice of wording.

People come to boards like this so they don't have to read inane idiocy like that. If we sought content like that, we could simply watch television.

[Jake Featherston]

As women get further into a relationship you lose interest in sex...Also after the early twenties a woman's sex drive drops a lot. By 30 it's virtually non-existent.

I'm sorry, but that's patently ridiculous.

[Jake Featherston]

Some of the most secular countries in the world all report being the happiest. They're generaly very progressive, charitable, & innovative nations. This can even be seen in the United States. The North has been far more progressive than the south. Not only within the buisness world but with laws as well. The bible belt trumps the rest of America's crime rate.

The Bible Belt is not a synonym for the South. The Bible Belt extends up to the Canadian border, via the Great Plains. Here in South Dakota, very much a part of the Bible Belt, our rates of crime are minuscule, among the very lowest you will find in any state in the Union. So it seems that the reason the South is plagued with crime may have something to do with a factor other than its relative religiosity. I think Black people are the main reason, in fact.

[Turkey]

I'm sorry, but that's patently ridiculous.
yes quite right. women want have sex more and more as the relationship goes on:rolleyes2:

[Jake Featherston]

This "study" is ridiculous.

Get on the blower to the halls of academe; a girl has objected to the results of a study, hence it must be hogwash.


Perhaps it's only true for men who watch these things and then try to have sex with their ugly, fat girlfriends.

Thank you for that mature and insightful remark. It really helped to raise the tenor of the thread.

(I won't even speculate about why a woman would be so invested in the value of pornography, that she feels the need to hurl insults in response to someone's suggesting otherwise.)

[Jake Featherston]

How old are you, Turkey? About 22 at the oldest?

When you get to be 30, you'll understand. If you already hit 30 - or especially if well past that - then the very fact that you asked that question shows how little growing up you did since you were 22 at the latest.

I'm 41, and while I certainly don't have the libido I had twenty years ago, I can not relate AT ALL to your assertion that its somehow normal for a guy over 30 to lose most/all interest in sex. You might consider consulting a medical doctor, frankly.

(I'm not saying that to be a dick; you should consider the possibility there is something wrong with your endocrine system, or whatnot.)

[Jake Featherston]

yes quite right. women want have sex more and more as the relationship goes on:rolleyes2:

Indeed they do. That's been my experience. I'm sorry if it hasn't been yours.

[Turkey]

Indeed they do. That's been my experience. I'm sorry if it hasn't been yours.

Some men won't talk frankly on this issue. You're full of shit.

[Jake Featherston]

Some men won't talk frankly on this issue. You're full of shit.

No sir, I am not. I have been married for many years, and my wife always wants more & more, not less. Girls in their 20s often don't even seem to be all that into sex, other than as a strategy for manipulating men by using it as a carrot to lead them around, whereas women in their 30s & 40s love to, ahem, get it, as it were. That's what the studies show, and that's what my own experience shows. Men tend to get bored with having sex with the same partner over and over again, but women are hard-wired for monogamy, and enjoy sex with their man more than with some strange dude over whom they have no hold, history, etc.

[rhiannon]

No sir, I am not. I have been married for many years, and my wife always wants more & more, not less. Girls in their 20s often don't even seem to be all that into sex, other than as a strategy for manipulating men by using it as a carrot to lead them around, whereas women in their 30s & 40s love to, ahem, get it, as it were. That's what the studies show, and that's what my own experience shows. Men tend to get bored with having sex with the same partner over and over again, but women are hard-wired for monogamy, and enjoy sex with their man more than with some strange dude over whom they have no hold, history, etc.

Hubs is wired like a chick, then:) Trust me, we've had long discussions about this very thing.

Overall, this is correct, and one of the reasons for it being so is that
many women fail to achieve orgasm until they're well into their adult years. It happened to me this way....but boy oh boy...once I got the ol' plumbing figured out, EVERYTHING changed! Heh heh.:D

[SwordoftheVistula]

If this was the issue, then why do so many white men go for plain-Jane standard issue Orientals?


They all have straight hair and no makeup.

Well ya, that. Long, straight hair and no makeup are 2 key things which make them more attractive than western women.

[Savant]

Well there are obvious caveats: often times women who've experienced sexual abuse of some sort, women with weird psych/intimacy issues, etc. Some damaged/abused women are only sexually comfortable with men they have no personal intimacy with. With these, the more psychologically and emotionally intimate they become with a man, the less they want to be sexual with him. And of course it's GENERALLY accurate for women, not without exception. You obviously don't have much experience with women, and seem to have had some bad luck. Don't let yourself be turned into some weird, bitter woman hating freak because you've been involved with a head case, sexually dysfunctional bitch or two... It's only going to cause problems and dysfunctionality when you finally find one who's normal if you bring these negative beliefs and sentiments as baggage into a relationship with a normal, healthy woman.


yes quite right. women want have sex more and more as the relationship goes on:rolleyes2:

[Turkey]

This thread makes me horny

[Supreme American]

Well, generally (not always of course) white men who go for say asians or latinas (in a serious relationship of course, not in a recreational sexual trist), are often white men who can not procure a white woman who's as attractive as they'd like. So, they figure they can get a more attractive asian or hispanic than they could a white girl (and they're often right), and I think they often feel some bitterness or sense of rejection from white women, so I think it's all the right ingredients to push them into other ethnic groups.

As I've said, though, the Orientals I'm seeing with white men are very plain-Jane type, don't style their hair or anything else. Unless a white guy is hopelessly drunk, he's not going to think they're more attractive.

Then you have a few polar opposites, who wander around on campus dressed like dime-store tricks in mini skirts revealing the hips and legs of a pre-pubescent. One I saw with a white guy has heavy makeup big red circles on her cheeks as if she's trying to convey the impression that someone with her brown skin can actually blush like a white girl. She literally looks like a Geisha girl. Funny how Orientals and other non-whites who date white guys actually end up trying to act like white girls to fit in. This happens every single time except in the extremely rare case of a white wigger dating a ghetto hag as if trying to live out a rap music video.

Rarely do you see this with non-white guys who date white women. Usually it's the white woman stooping down culturally to act ghetto to fit in with them and their friends. The woman in all relationships is consciously or unconsciously altering her behavior to fit in with the culture of the male.

Hispanics who date whites usually wear heavy makeup. They tend to be loud and brutish like black females in conflicts. Again, I couldn't imagine anyone in their right minds dating something like that. Racial continuity, and not looks, should be the guiding factor in dating. Yes, people want attractiveness, but they shouldn't be willing to sacrifice racial continuity for it. It should not take a back seat.


Also, to be completely honest, and I know you're not going to like this, but the draw of Asian women to many men is that they typically lack the sense of entitlement and feministic male hatred that is more or less standard issue with white American women these days. No matter what they look like, they aren't male hating feminazis with this absurd sense of entitlement, and what can I say?

I think the youngest females are more like this, and they're heavily immature. Again, though, plenty of them are not. Look at the crowds of females at Tim Tebow autograph signings (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/205829/483/Tim-Tebow-Fans-Line-Up-for-Book-Signing-Tickets). They aren't dressed like whores and they are absolutely IN LOVE with a white man who is good looking, sexually chaste and extremely traditional in his social and moral outlook. These girls are quite pretty in appearance and they have nothing but love for him, not feminist hatred. If you ask me, a lot of women crave this in their men. In fact, I've actually seen on YouTube a few white female converts to Islam saying one of the draws was the traditional mode of living that they craved. His popularity among young white girls and women is undoubtedly partly why the left so vicously attacks him.



It's a very attractive proposition to NOT have to deal with that, and to not be subjected to enduring that your whole life... Asian women are generally much less opposed to traditional roles, so if that's what you're looking for, that's another attractive feature.

Again, racial continuity should be the guiding ethic in dating. If I don't like a white man's attitude or a liberal current in white society, then I don't look to other races but rather find whites in other social circles. There is no excuse for hopping the color line - ever - including in recreational sex.


So, I think some white males who just aren't going to get a "knockout" white woman anyways, and maybe have some bitterness towards white women because of rejection, or any other issue which has embittered them, like that Repub guy for example, will be inclined to opt for a nonwhite female.

Well I think bitterness toward the opposite sex of their own race is a huge part of jumping the color line. I have seen it expressed by whites, I've seen it expressed by Orientals, I've seen it expressed by Hispanics and blacks. I had a black guy years ago point-blank tell me he only dated white girls because we weren't bitchy, pushy, and demanding like black women and are mellow and down to earth. And you know what? With the exclusion of some immature, wiggery, white trash types, we are as he described.

Repub recently said he's "dating up" when he dates Mexican women. That shows the lowly view he has not only of his own race, but of himself. He's primarily of German descent yet he acts like that is nothing. Again, his justifications for this are an endless ream of anti-white female hostility. He falsely claims that Hispanics are more conservative and have family values, in spite of statistics to show they primarily vote Democrat and chronically have children out of wedlock and raise them on welfare, as well as have higher crime rates and social disease rates than whites.



Also some guys for whom it's their heart's desire to have a traditional famile with traditional roles, let's face it, he may have a hard time find a white American woman who's willing to go for that. Certainly he could find someone who's willing to sit at home and be supported, but a woman who's actually willing to do all of the things which women of eras past did, and invest that much into the home and children? Ehh, that can be tougher to find in a white woman than in an asian woman honestly. I don't approve of it, and don't reccoment it. However, a man who's hearts desire is to have a traditional life will find that very appealing, and will sacrifice in other areas to have it...

IMO a lot of white women wouldn't mind being at home with their children. I've had many co-workers who lament the cost of living and having to work when they'd rather be at home with the little ones. This isn't all about some bull-dyke feminist revolt.

Keep in mind that I have seen numerous white men say that traditional females are boring, robot-like, subservient, and thus unattractive.

I've also seen at work that all of the Orientals with white men remain full-time employed. It's not like they leave work and go home to care for kids. Only one case have I seen this, and I think the "white" guy she is with is half-Asian. He has a 100% German name and his features and build are entirely European but his skin is way too swarthy for a white person. I've seen a few half-Orientals that are built like white guys but have the complexion of east Asians.

I have a Thai co-worker living with a white man who not only continues to work full-time, but is also rude, pushy, demanding, insensitive, attention-seeking, materialistic to the point of always living check-to-check (she has designer everything), and frequently expresses a need for external reinforcement because of her endless and far-reaching insecurities. She's a naggy hag, and her white boyfriend at least semi-routinely verbally abuses her when she makes her demands for attention. Literally this female acts like a walking stereotype of a white woman that many of these Oriental-dating men probably carry.

And of yeah, of course has brown streaks dyed into her hair as often Oriental women do trying to be white.

[Supreme American]

Well ya, that. Long, straight hair and no makeup are 2 key things which make them more attractive than western women.

Plenty of white women are the same, the difference is, we carry it well. ;)

[Supreme American]

Well there are obvious caveats: often times women who've experienced sexual abuse of some sort, women with weird psych/intimacy issues, etc. Some damaged/abused women are only sexually comfortable with men they have no personal intimacy with. With these, the more psychologically and emotionally intimate they become with a man, the less they want to be sexual with him. And of course it's GENERALLY accurate for women, not without exception. You obviously don't have much experience with women, and seem to have had some bad luck. Don't let yourself be turned into some weird, bitter woman hating freak because you've been involved with a head case, sexually dysfunctional bitch or two... It's only going to cause problems and dysfunctionality when you finally find one who's normal if you bring these negative beliefs and sentiments as baggage into a relationship with a normal, healthy woman.

I agree with you. However it is NEVER an excuse to shun your own race and go elsewhere. For example, my father took off when my mother was pregnant with me, never paid child support and left us poor for my childhood. Think I'm hostile toward white men because of that? Hell fucking no.

You simply sidestep the garbage and find better elsewhere, which is why there is never an excuse to date outside our race.

[Turkey]

For example, my father took off when my mother was pregnant with me, never paid child support and left us poor for my childhood. Think I'm hostile toward white men because of that? Hell fucking no.


You might be more hostile if he stayed. It's pretty hard to be hostile towards someone you've never met.

It's a common consensus that coming from a "broken" home is a sob story, which enables you credit in our entitlement based society. But are things really as they are held to be?

[SwordoftheVistula]

don't style their hair or anything else


Then you have a few polar opposites, who wander around on campus dressed like dime-store tricks in mini skirts revealing the hips and legs of a pre-pubescent.

There again, 2 more things which women view as 'negative' about other women which men view as a positive. IDK why women waste time messing with their hair, styling & dying it and messing it all up, just leave it the way it is naturally and 99.9% of the time it looks better.

And hey, if you have a nice body, wear a nice short miniskirt and show it off.


they are absolutely IN LOVE with a white man who is good looking, sexually chaste and extremely traditional in his social and moral outlook.

It's because he is a professional athlete. Professional athletes attract that type of adoration, their personal morals don't factor in at all.




There is no excuse for hopping the color line - ever - including in recreational sex.

Well sure. That's why, to get this thread back on topic, porn is the best alternative :thumb001:

[arcticwolf]

Women need to up their game. It's escalation.

Dude, you don't masturbate mentally at all. While others write "mini-books" to explain their position, you go straight for the kill. In one sentence you've managed to say volumes, precisely pinpoint the problem, explain the cause and define the solution. You Sir are my hero! :thumb001::p