My results (Full Dalmatia Serb)

[Nausevar]

Hello everyone. My family is 100% from the dalmatian hinterland (Knin). I did a 23andme DNA test this summer.
My ydna is J-L283 (J2b2) and my mtDNA is W1. I don't know about more specific clades, 23andme doesn't go in too deep.
As for autosomal DNA, I got a surprise: I'm pretty much SW shifted! I saw some results of people from my area, mainly here on this forum, and they were all to the NE of me.

I'll post my Eurogenes K13 and K15. I didn't convert my chip from v5 to v3, some people told me it could give me more precision. Do you think it could be a good idea or it's useless?

EUROGENES K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 25.76
2 Baltic 25.73
3 West_Med 20.87
4 East_Med 14.59
5 West_Asian 8.25
6 Red_Sea 3.48
7 Oceanian 0.65
8 East_Asian 0.41
9 Siberian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.2
2 Romanian 5.73
3 Bulgarian 7.5
4 Moldavian 9.94
5 Hungarian 11.71
6 Croatian 11.98
7 Austrian 13.38
8 Greek_Thessaly 14.14
9 North_Italian 14.69
10 East_German 15.03
11 Tuscan 16.62
12 French 17.06
13 West_German 17.37
14 Portuguese 18.11
15 Spanish_Galicia 18.19
16 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.44
17 South_Dutch 18.57
18 South_Polish 19.18
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.31
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Serbian + 11.2% Sardinian 2.46
2 60.2% Moldavian + 39.8% North_Italian 2.84
3 58.5% Croatian + 41.5% Tuscan 3.04
4 52.7% Tuscan + 47.3% Ukrainian_Lviv 3.09
5 63.4% Moldavian + 36.6% Tuscan 3.24
6 54.5% Tuscan + 45.5% Ukrainian 3.28
7 60.4% Tuscan + 39.6% Russian_Smolensk 3.68
8 79.8% Moldavian + 20.2% Sardinian 3.7
9 55.5% Croatian + 44.5% North_Italian 3.75
10 65.2% Tuscan + 34.8% Lithuanian 3.81
11 64.2% Croatian + 35.8% West_Sicilian 3.82
12 57.9% Tuscan + 42.1% Polish 3.87
13 60.9% Tuscan + 39.1% Estonian_Polish 3.88
14 59.4% Tuscan + 40.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.02
15 62.6% North_Italian + 37.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.08
16 59.1% Tuscan + 40.9% Southwest_Russian 4.1
17 67% North_Italian + 33% Erzya 4.11
18 81.6% Serbian + 18.4% North_Italian 4.12
19 53.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 46.9% West_Sicilian 4.21
20 87.4% Serbian + 12.6% Southwest_French 4.23

EUROGENES K15
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 17.71
2 Atlantic 16.71
3 West_Med 16.01
4 North_Sea 15.91
5 East_Med 11.7
6 Eastern_Euro 10.31
7 West_Asian 7.48
8 Red_Sea 3.7
9 Oceanian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.5
2 Serbian 5.74
3 Bulgarian 6.69
4 Moldavian 8.97
5 Croatian 9.85
6 Hungarian 10.77
7 Austrian 10.78
8 Greek_Thessaly 12.95
9 North_Italian 13.86
10 Greek 13.94
11 East_German 14.19
12 Tuscan 14.95
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.01
14 Spanish_Galicia 16.43
15 South_Polish 16.57
16 French 16.73
17 Ukrainian 16.95
18 Portuguese 16.97
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.42
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61% Croatian + 39% Tuscan @ 3.1
2 51.8% Tuscan + 48.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.13
3 53.3% Tuscan + 46.7% Ukrainian @ 3.15
4 63.2% Tuscan + 36.8% Lithuanian @ 3.32
5 63.6% Moldavian + 36.4% Tuscan @ 3.36
6 61.8% Moldavian + 38.2% North_Italian @ 3.39
7 59.6% Tuscan + 40.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.48
8 52.7% Tuscan + 47.3% South_Polish @ 3.61
9 57.8% Tuscan + 42.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.66
10 59.8% Tuscan + 40.2% Belorussian @ 3.69
11 57.1% Tuscan + 42.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.73
12 58.4% Tuscan + 41.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.74
13 57.7% Croatian + 42.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.77
14 67.6% Croatian + 32.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.84
15 68.3% Croatian + 31.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.93
16 71.2% Croatian + 28.8% South_Italian @ 4.01
17 56.4% Tuscan + 43.6% Polish @ 4.01
18 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Sardinian @ 4.1
19 74.4% Croatian + 25.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.14
20 75.2% Croatian + 24.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.16

[MandM]

take your results and use vahaduo, its better then gedmatch

[Terminator98]

Nice! I would guess that you have some Italian ancestry. :)

[Nausevar]

VAHADUO K13
Distance to: nausevar
4.59531283 Montenegrin
4.65284859 Romania_Crisana
4.70197831 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
5.19981730 Serb_Herzegovina
5.23594309 Romania_Transylvania
5.27755625 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.47760897 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.52697928 Romania_Maramures
5.55887579 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.64366902 Serb_Serbia_West
5.86402592 Romania_Oltenia
5.92954467 Romania_average
5.94222181 Serb
6.19616010 Romania_Banat
6.26476656 Serb_Serbia_Central
6.27177806 Serb_Serbia_South
6.50810264 Serb_Croatia
6.57268590 Moldova_South
7.06821052 Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.08463125 Romania_Wallachia
7.10264739 Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.11960673 Romania_Dobruja
7.36252674 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.49832648 Serb_Bosnia
7.63081909 Romania_Muntenia
7.86225159 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.07524613 Bulgaria_average
8.23324966 Croat_South
8.50536889 Csángó-Ceangău
8.52367292 Moldova_average
8.73202153 Moldova_Centre
8.77667363 Bulgaria_Northcentral
8.89188956 Bulgaria_Southcentral
8.93176354 Macedonian_North
8.99413698 Croat_West
9.00409351 Bosniak
9.36100956 Bulgaria_Northeastern
9.62130968 Macedonian
9.68334653 Macedonian_South
9.68687772 Pomak_Bulgaria
10.32089628 Croat
10.93493484 Bulgaria_Southeastern
11.09597675 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
11.35462461 Hungarian_Alföld
11.40089909 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
11.41681216 Moldova_North
11.66385871 Croat_East
11.76303532 Hungarian
11.77783936 Italian_Friuli_VG
11.99495311 Bosniak_Bosnia
12.00408680 Pomak_Greece
12.24937141 Italian_Trentino
12.29356742 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
12.37457070 Albanian_Gheg
12.70682494 Croat_North
13.22809888 Torbesh_average
13.29248284 Greek_Northern-Thrace
13.40606206 Albanian
13.46036032 Slovenian
13.48677500 Italian_Veneto
13.82656863 Swiss_French
14.32427311 Hungarian_North
14.46602917 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
14.56369459 Turk_Deliorman
14.61668653 Greek_Thessaly
14.67336022 Italian_Piedmont
14.89376044 Turk_Makedonya
15.29802602 Austrian
15.30333297 Greek_Central_Macedonia
15.42638649 Albanian_Tosk
15.44909059 Greek_Northeast
15.48938023 French_Provence
15.64697095 Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.73913276 Swiss-Italian2
16.06207023 Swiss_German
16.08790540 Greek_West_Macedonia
16.22471263 Italian_Emilia
16.45098477 Swiss_Italian
16.51637067 Italian_Liguria
16.53596081 Greek
16.54440389 Slovak
16.71964413 French_Alsace
16.88507329 Italian_Lombardy
17.06157085 Greek_West
17.09842098 Swiss_German2
17.25630030 Italian_Aosta_Valley
17.55269210 Italian
17.60952299 Italian_Tuscan
17.77009567 Italian_Romagna
17.92364360 Greek_Peloponnese
17.95054595 German_South
18.15523341 Greek_Western-Thrace
18.26378384 Czech
18.28727153 Ukrainian_Galicia
18.39288993 Pennsylvania_Dutch
18.41813780 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
18.53026174 Turk_Trakya
18.75937632 German_East
19.23019501 Moldova_Ukrainian
19.27711078 French_Central
19.48178893 Italian_Umbria
19.87494906 French_Northeast
19.99897747 Italian_Lazio
19.99941249 Italian_Marche
20.40059558 Greek_Central
20.58880764 French
20.59597048 Portuguese
20.69188005 Spanish_Galicia
20.71172856 French_Corsica
20.72068049 German
20.80669123 Greek_Athens
21.02965287 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
21.25704119 Turk_Crete
21.39620761 German_West
21.44582244 Greek_Istanbul
21.61109900 French_South
21.67979935 South_Polish
21.90819938 Spanish_Extremadura
21.96635609 Afrikaner
22.00561065 Belgian
22.06100406 Spanish_Cataluna
22.14281147 Sorb_Lusatia
22.56739019 Flemish
22.67997575 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
22.80530421 Silesian
22.85382900 Lower_Silesia
23.27015256 Spanish_Valencia
23.32699723 Spanish_Murcia
23.33960797 Dutch_South
23.38406081 Greek_Andros_Island
23.45909845 Spanish


VAHADUO K15:
Distance to: nausevar
5.32066725 Romania_Sw
5.54316494 Montenegrin
5.64929199 South_Serbian
6.09461924 Macedonian
6.14743849 Romania_Nw
6.26174097 Romanian
6.50443695 Serbian
6.62087607 Romania_Se
6.79339385 Romania_Ne
6.88744510 Romania_South
7.06383881 Serbian_Bosnia
7.41190259 Bosniak
7.41847891 Bosnian
7.53293436 Bulgarian
8.56933340 Szekely
9.09056104 Macedonian_2
10.27591845 Moldavian
10.44803331 Gagauz
10.76819212 Slovenian
10.84464384 Italy_Friuli
11.24445197 Albanian-Kosovo
11.26407120 Croatian
11.89901256 Italy_Trentino
11.99461963 Kosovo_Albanian
12.30045934 Albanian-Macedonia
12.34012966 Austrian
12.35401959 Hungarian
13.21389420 Italy_Veneto
13.82531374 North_Croat
14.05429827 Austria-Tyrol
14.08367495 Albanian-North
15.02650991 Czech
15.18766605 Greek_Thessaly
15.36359984 Bulgarian_Thracian
15.43399974 Slovak
15.65457051 GR_Macedonia
15.72356194 Albanian-South
15.75108568 Austria-Burgenland
15.78276275 French_Provence
15.88870353 Italy_Piedmont
15.95217853 Italy_Liguria
16.02669336 Italy_Emiliaromagna
16.37151490 Greek
16.53282492 East_German
16.53426745 Italy_Tuscany
17.15234641 GR_Peloponese
17.32803797 Tuscan
17.42352146 Italy_Lombardy
17.44288967 French_Alsace
17.79850556 Swiss_German
18.33731169 Italy_Aostavalley
18.41121397 Ukrainian_Lviv
18.59128021 Italy_Lazio
18.65663421 German_Bavarian
18.78447497 Italy_Marche
18.90371392 Spanish_Galicia
19.03686161 South_Polish
19.27244406 Sorb_Lusatia
19.50653224 Portuguese
19.57700181 French_Central
20.01659312 Pennsylvania_Dutch
20.16439932 Spanish_Cataluna
20.44913201 French_North-East
20.55893237 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
20.56976179 Spanish_Extremadura
20.68329277 Ukrainian_Kiev_Avg
21.19754939 France_Corsica
21.22661066 French_South
21.45757675 Spanish_Murcia
21.78472398 Polish_Jew
21.85758221 Polish_Kielce
21.86308533 West_German
21.92145524 Polish
22.04973469 Spanish_Andalucia
22.22110933 Italy_Abruzzo
22.31732959 Ashkenazi
22.35811262 Spanish_Valencia
22.45165473 Afrikaner
22.45515976 West_Sicilian
22.48718969 Russian_Smolensk
22.57685762 Central_Greek
22.67237526 Belgian
22.83168194 Italy_Apulia
22.95755649 Polish_Masuria
23.09941774 Southwest_French
23.11918900 Ukrainian_Belgorod
23.19016602 East_Sicilian
23.37439625 Spanish_Cantabria
23.51510366 Sicily_Syracuse
23.54677473 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

[vbnetkhio]

Hello everyone. My family is 100% from the dalmatian hinterland (Knin). I did a 23andme DNA test this summer.
My ydna is J-L283 (J2b2) and my mtDNA is W1. I don't know about more specific clades, 23andme doesn't go in too deep.
As for autosomal DNA, I got a surprise: I'm pretty much SW shifted! I saw some results of people from my area, mainly here on this forum, and they were all to the NE of me.

I'll post my Eurogenes K13 and K15. I didn't convert my chip from v5 to v3, some people told me it could give me more precision. Do you think it could be a good idea or it's useless?

EUROGENES K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 25.76
2 Baltic 25.73
3 West_Med 20.87
4 East_Med 14.59
5 West_Asian 8.25
6 Red_Sea 3.48
7 Oceanian 0.65
8 East_Asian 0.41
9 Siberian 0.27


Your results are normal for a Serb with lower Slavic ancestry, such results are the most common in Montenegro but exist in other places too.

In your area actually most have higher North Atlantic (26-28) but you aren't far either.

[Dušan]

Congratulations on result :thumb001:

[Nausevar]

Nice! I would guess that you have some Italian ancestry. :)

I think that's nearly impossible.

[Nausevar]

Nice! I would guess that you have some Italian ancestry. :)

I think that's nearly impossible.

[Terminator98]

I think that's nearly impossible.

It's not impossible for fully ethnic Serbs to have results like this, it's just this nearly 21% of West Med made me to say that, otherwise it looks pretty normal I'd say (oh yeah, red sea is also a bit high).

[Nausevar]

It's not impossible for fully ethnic Serbs to have results like this, it's just this nearly 21% of West Med made me to say that, otherwise it looks pretty normal I'd say (oh yeah, red sea is also a bit high).
Few Serbs get Portuguese and Spanish in the oracle.
I remember reading that Serbs are very homogenous, especially in Dalmatia. I proved that it's not true :)

[CommonSense]

There's individual variation within every region, or even a small settlement. For instance, all the following results belong to people from a single village in Lika, Zalužnica:

https://i.ibb.co/khQK4mT/image.png

[Barbarroja]

Fellow L283 here. There is a Facebook group called Haplogroup J-L283, in case you're interested.

[alexmegas777]

kinda similar results

1 North_Atlantic 30.14
2 Baltic 20.63
3 West_Med 20.36
4 East_Med 13.96
5 West_Asian 10.51
6 Red_Sea 2.82
7 Siberian 1.51

1 Romanian @ 8.820081
2 Serbian @ 8.928902
3 Bulgarian @ 11.422257
4 North_Italian @ 12.419814
5 French @ 14.587971
6 Hungarian @ 14.623144
7 Austrian @ 14.715091
8 Moldavian @ 15.702234
9 Portuguese @ 15.829557
10 Tuscan @ 15.910155
11 West_German @ 15.915379
12 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.214399
13 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.665085
14 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.976973
15 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.011063
16 South_Dutch @ 17.316183
17 East_German @ 17.383879
18 Croatian @ 17.720951
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.876505
20 Spanish_Murcia @ 18.308540

[Nausevar]

kinda similar results

1 North_Atlantic 30.14
2 Baltic 20.63
3 West_Med 20.36
4 East_Med 13.96
5 West_Asian 10.51
6 Red_Sea 2.82
7 Siberian 1.51

1 Romanian @ 8.820081
2 Serbian @ 8.928902
3 Bulgarian @ 11.422257
4 North_Italian @ 12.419814
5 French @ 14.587971
6 Hungarian @ 14.623144
7 Austrian @ 14.715091
8 Moldavian @ 15.702234
9 Portuguese @ 15.829557
10 Tuscan @ 15.910155
11 West_German @ 15.915379
12 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.214399
13 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.665085
14 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.976973
15 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.011063
16 South_Dutch @ 17.316183
17 East_German @ 17.383879
18 Croatian @ 17.720951
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.876505
20 Spanish_Murcia @ 18.308540

You're an extreme outlier for a Romanian. You're even to the west of me.

Is that your complete K13? Are the other components at zero? Can you post your K15?

[alexmegas777]

K15

1 Atlantic 24.11
2 Baltic 16.04
3 North_Sea 15.90
4 West_Med 14.15
5 West_Asian 11.46
6 East_Med 10.79
7 Eastern_Euro 4.16
8 Red_Sea 2.53

1 Romanian @ 10.735482
2 Bulgarian @ 11.619558
3 Serbian @ 12.141109
4 Austrian @ 13.490771
5 North_Italian @ 13.567148
6 Tuscan @ 15.870689
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.246637
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.248426
9 Hungarian @ 16.510244
10 Croatian @ 16.673113
11 Portuguese @ 16.930553
12 French @ 16.969246
13 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.213961
14 Spanish_Extremadura @ 17.218281
15 Moldavian @ 17.375708
16 Spanish_Andalucia @ 17.480883
17 Spanish_Murcia @ 17.482931
18 Spanish_Valencia @ 17.706545
19 Greek @ 17.987310
20 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.144688

Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.227636
2 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 5.460230
3 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.518861
4 French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.529790
5 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.671232
6 French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 5.701241
7 French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.735953
8 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.770341
9 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.783384
10 French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Turkish @ 5.799153
11 French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.855771
12 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.867756
13 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.881573
14 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.909596
15 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Portuguese @ 5.910441
16 Armenian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.927386
17 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Romanian + Romanian @ 5.930665
18 French_Basque + Romanian + Romanian + Romanian @ 5.939817
19 French_Basque + Lithuanian + North_Italian + Turkish @ 5.941351
20 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 5.997755

[Nausevar]

I got my Global 25 coordinates.

The Vahaduo oracle didn't give me any surprise. I saw also 2 PCAs but I was not satisfied they were not very clear. One is the vahaduo one, too dispersive, the other is the GENOPLOT one and that's just shitty, with shitty graphics and strange averages.
The PCA with best aesthetics is the K15 one, but it's a bit inaccurate. The K36 with the population averages combined very simple and clear graphics with more or less accurate results.