Montenegro rocked by violent clashes over church independence

[Crn Volk]

https://www.politico.eu/article/montenegro-violent-clashes-church-independence/

Montenegro rocked by violent clashes over church independence
Inauguration of bishop the latest flashpoint in a long-running dispute.

https://www.politico.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/05/GettyImages-1235065443-1320x891.jpg

Tensions in Montenegro reached fever pitch at the weekend as protesters and police clashed over the inauguration of an orthodox bishop amid continued division over church independence.

A large group barricaded the road from the capital Podgorica to the city of Cetinje on Saturday, trying to prevent the patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SOC), Porfirije, and Bishop Joanikije from attending the latter’s inauguration as the new head (known as a metropolitan) of the Montenegrin branch of the SOC.

On Sunday morning in Cetinje, hundreds of protesters clashed with riot police who used tear gas to disperse the crowd. Around 40 citizens and 20 policemen were injured, according to local media.

The metropolitan and the patriarch had to be flown into Cetinje on Sunday by military helicopter, under heavy police protection. Scenes of the church delegation leaving the helicopter covered by an anti-bullet kevlar blanket quickly swept the region.

“These incidents are the result of a clear weaponization and politicization of the church on both sides,” said former ambassador to NATO and political scientist Vesko Garčević.

The small Balkan country has been split over the role of the church for almost two years since the previous government led by the Democratic Party of Socialists (DPS) agreed to transfer church property from the SOC to the Montenegrin Orthodox Church, whose independence is not recognized by the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, the main Eastern Orthodox authority.

DPS lost an election last August to current Prime Minister Zdravko Krivokapić’s For the Future of Montenegro bloc, but the tensions have not subsided.

“I call, again, on all socio-political actors to maintain peace, which is the most valuable thing now,” Krivokapić said in a tweet on Saturday. The PM, whose election success was largely based on rallying against an independent Montenegrin church, has significantly toned down his nationalist rhetoric in the past year, leading him to lose the support of many hardliners.

Montenegro was the last former Yugoslav republic to split from Serbia, with which it shared a government until 2006. Some on the Serbian side claim that the church split was a political move to put distance between the two countries.

Others — notably President Milo Đukanović, who is also head of the DPS — claim the church split allowed Montenegro to emerge from Serbia’s shadow.

Montenegro is less ethnically homogenous than its neighbors. In the last census in 2011, 45 percent of the population declared themselves ethnic Montenegrin, while 28 percent said they were ethnic Serbs. The rest are part of minorities such as ethnic Albanians and Bosniaks.

“The concept of a multiethnic Montenegro of its citizens, which was strong at the moment when the country declared independence, is now significantly weakened by people being tied to one church over another,” said Garčević.

The SOC continues to own most church property in Montenegro, including the Monastery of St Basil, dedicated to the country’s most revered saint. The decision to hold the ceremony in Cetinje, which was once the royal seat of the country and the center of its independence efforts, was seen as a provocation and a show of force by the SOC.

The last metropolitan, Amfilohije, who passed away in October last year due to COVID-19, was inaugurated in Cetinje in 1991. At the time, Serbian warlord Željko Ražnatović Arkan was guarding the Monastery of St Basil and Amfilohije admitted being friends with Bosnian Serb politician Radovan Karadžić, who was later convicted of genocide.

“Unfortunately, the violent means used by the protesters in Cetinje overshadowed the legitimate reasons and revulsion felt by people in Montenegro with the inauguration being held in Cetinje,” said Garčević.

[Varda]

https://www.politico.eu/article/montenegro-violent-clashes-church-independence/

Montenegro rocked by violent clashes over church independence
Inauguration of bishop the latest flashpoint in a long-running dispute.

https://www.politico.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/05/GettyImages-1235065443-1320x891.jpg

Tensions in Montenegro reached fever pitch at the weekend as protesters and police clashed over the inauguration of an orthodox bishop amid continued division over church independence.

A large group barricaded the road from the capital Podgorica to the city of Cetinje on Saturday, trying to prevent the patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SOC), Porfirije, and Bishop Joanikije from attending the latter’s inauguration as the new head (known as a metropolitan) of the Montenegrin branch of the SOC.

On Sunday morning in Cetinje, hundreds of protesters clashed with riot police who used tear gas to disperse the crowd. Around 40 citizens and 20 policemen were injured, according to local media.

The metropolitan and the patriarch had to be flown into Cetinje on Sunday by military helicopter, under heavy police protection. Scenes of the church delegation leaving the helicopter covered by an anti-bullet kevlar blanket quickly swept the region.

“These incidents are the result of a clear weaponization and politicization of the church on both sides,” said former ambassador to NATO and political scientist Vesko Garčević.

The small Balkan country has been split over the role of the church for almost two years since the previous government led by the Democratic Party of Socialists (DPS) agreed to transfer church property from the SOC to the Montenegrin Orthodox Church, whose independence is not recognized by the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, the main Eastern Orthodox authority.

DPS lost an election last August to current Prime Minister Zdravko Krivokapić’s For the Future of Montenegro bloc, but the tensions have not subsided.

“I call, again, on all socio-political actors to maintain peace, which is the most valuable thing now,” Krivokapić said in a tweet on Saturday. The PM, whose election success was largely based on rallying against an independent Montenegrin church, has significantly toned down his nationalist rhetoric in the past year, leading him to lose the support of many hardliners.

Montenegro was the last former Yugoslav republic to split from Serbia, with which it shared a government until 2006. Some on the Serbian side claim that the church split was a political move to put distance between the two countries.

Others — notably President Milo Đukanović, who is also head of the DPS — claim the church split allowed Montenegro to emerge from Serbia’s shadow.

Montenegro is less ethnically homogenous than its neighbors. In the last census in 2011, 45 percent of the population declared themselves ethnic Montenegrin, while 28 percent said they were ethnic Serbs. The rest are part of minorities such as ethnic Albanians and Bosniaks.

“The concept of a multiethnic Montenegro of its citizens, which was strong at the moment when the country declared independence, is now significantly weakened by people being tied to one church over another,” said Garčević.

The SOC continues to own most church property in Montenegro, including the Monastery of St Basil, dedicated to the country’s most revered saint. The decision to hold the ceremony in Cetinje, which was once the royal seat of the country and the center of its independence efforts, was seen as a provocation and a show of force by the SOC.

The last metropolitan, Amfilohije, who passed away in October last year due to COVID-19, was inaugurated in Cetinje in 1991. At the time, Serbian warlord Željko Ražnatović Arkan was guarding the Monastery of St Basil and Amfilohije admitted being friends with Bosnian Serb politician Radovan Karadžić, who was later convicted of genocide.

“Unfortunately, the violent means used by the protesters in Cetinje overshadowed the legitimate reasons and revulsion felt by people in Montenegro with the inauguration being held in Cetinje,” said Garčević.

Both of them are Montenegrins.

Karadžić is born in Petnjica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petnjica,_Šavnik

Arkan's father Veljko was from Rijeka Crnojevića https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veljko_Ražnatović

[Varda]

Here is how Serbian partiarch was greeted in Podgorica capital of Montenegro where Montenegrin prime minister was present. Cetinje is an insignificant shithole.


https://youtu.be/nROJkIK2cZY


https://youtu.be/ieVPuIiDipg

[Laku]

Here is how Serbian partiarch was greeted in Podgorica capital of Montenegro where Montenegrin prime minister was present. Cetinje is an insignificant shithole.


https://youtu.be/nROJkIK2cZY


https://youtu.be/ieVPuIiDipg

Is it true that the patriarch and the bishop left the city with NATO helicopters?

[Ford]

A mentally ill nation.

[Dunai]

I see Talibanism living long and strong in the deep Balkans. Just imagine fighting over ancient desert gods in the age when we reached the stars.

[Ford]

I see Talibanism living long and strong in the deep Balkans. Just imagine fighting over ancient desert gods in the age when we reached the stars.

It's got a more nationalistic connotation, rather than religious in a sense. Balkanites are pretty much quasi-religious.

[Dušan]

I see Talibanism living long and strong in the deep Balkans. Just imagine fighting over ancient desert gods in the age when we reached the stars.

Talibanism? What are you talking about?

Former authoritarian regime of Milo Đukanović tried to ban religious freedom in Montenegro and tried to confiscate propetry of Serbian Orthodox Church.
But Serbian Orthodox Church is stronger than any political regime.

And about talibanism, what a joke. Noone force anyone to go to church, separating women or something like that.

It is part of identity, belonging to a community, being part of of large family, having same historical roots, celebrate important holidays.
I will always stand with our Church, although I am not very regular churchgoer.

[Dunai]

It's got a more nationalistic connotation, rather than religious in a sense. Balkanites are pretty much quasi-religious.

That's why I used the word Talibanism (could have used also other metaphor), since it's a form of retrograde Nationalism in the guise of religion. Religious reasons of European infighting pretty much ended with the Age of Enlightenment, except the Balkans (and surprisingly in Northern Ireland) for some reason. There Nationalism still goes hand-in-hand with religion, which is a deadly combination for meaningless war. Personally I'm just incredibly disappointed and tired of reading such events still happening in Europe.

[Dunai]

Talibanism? What are you talking about?

Former authoritarian regime of Milo Đukanović tried to ban religious freedom in Montenegro and tried to confiscate propetry of Serbian Orthodox Church.
But Serbian Orthodox Church is stronger than any political regime.

And about talibanism, what a joke. Noone force anyone to go to church, separating women or something like that.

It is part of identity, belonging to a community, being part of of large family, having same historical roots, celebrate important holidays.
I will always stand with our Church, although I am not very regular churchgoer.

Nobody learned from the Yugoslav war? Why is it so important to fight for a church to the expense of people who don't follow the same church as you do? Churches should become museums either way when they are often financed from public money.

[Dušan]

Nobody learned from the Yugoslav war? Why is it so important to fight for a church to the expense of people who don't follow the same church as you do? Churches should become museums either way when they are often financed from public money.

You can make museums from all church buildings in Hungary if you want, it is none of my bussiness.

Church in my nation has its historical role, and we will not give up of it.
Our Church survived Croat Ustaše nazism, Tito's communism, and of course it survived regime of charlatan Milo Đukanović.

[Megadorian]

Vlach Montenegrins mad as hell

[Varda]

Is it true that the patriarch and the bishop left the city with NATO helicopters?

They came to Cetinje by helicopter accompanied and under the protection of Montenegrin special unit. Because few hundreds extremists under control of Milo Đukanović blocked the roads to Cetinje and they were ready for violence. Half of those extremists were local Montenegrins from Cetinje (Cetinje is most Montenegein and anti-Serbian place in Montenegro) and half were Muslims who arrived from Rožaje, Plav and Gusinje in northeastern Montenegro.
Organizer of the arrival of partiarch and bishop on Cetinje by helicopter was Dritan Abazović https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dritan_Abazović
One day after the ceremony bishop walked around monastery on Cetinje without protection of police and nothing happened, because the extremists dispersed.


https://youtu.be/gX61V71BTmA

[Laku]

They came to Cetinje by helicopter accompanied and under the protection of Montenegrin special unit. Because few hundreds extremists under control of Milo Đukanović blocked the roads to Cetinje and they were ready for violence. Half of those extremists were local Montenegrins from Cetinje (Cetinje is most Montenegein and anti-Serbian place in Montenegro) and half were Muslims who arrived from Rožaje, Plav and Gusinje in northeastern Montenegro.
Organizer of the arrival of partiarch and bishop on Cetinje by helicopter was Dritan Abazović https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dritan_Abazović
One day after the ceremony bishop walked around monastery on Cetinje without protection of police and nothing happened, because the extremists dispersed.


https://youtu.be/gX61V71BTmA

So, not everyone said "Axios". There were some who said "Anaxos". Is it legal this procedure?

[CommonSense]

I'm against any form of organised religion myself, but I wholeheartedly support the Serbian orthodox church in cases such as these. Seeing the tears and tantrum of the Docleans as their crime-based state collapses brings joy to my heart. I also felt the same way when David, the bishop of Kruševac, excommunicated that charlatan and degenerate, Aleksandar Šargić, from the orthdox church.

[CommonSense]

....

[Vrazijadivizija]

:rotfl:

[ixulescu]

I see Talibanism living long and strong in the deep Balkans. Just imagine fighting over ancient desert gods in the age when we reached the stars.

Atheism is the dumbest religion of all. Also the most murderous one.

[Varda]

So, not everyone said "Axios". There were some who said "Anaxos". Is it legal this procedure?

The enthronement of bishop Joanikije was performed traditionally in Cetinje Monastery https://youtu.be/-IloeuUMLmw?t=3254

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetinje_Monastery

[Jana]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/ecf8deac08dcb16d1cb030d221769bf1/tumblr_orad45B2hG1t2zwivo1_r1_400.gif

[Jana]

I see Talibanism living long and strong in the deep Balkans. Just imagine fighting over ancient desert gods in the age when we reached the stars.

It has nothing to do with religion. Montenegro had biggest percentage of atheists among former Yugoslav Republics.
Thing with eastern orthodoxy is the following: chuch is closely tied to the state. Thus if you own the church, you own the state, and the opposite.

For same reason Russian orthodox church was that strongly against Ukrainian one. It's purely about power and politics in orthodoxy.

[Faklon]

More meaningless separatisms.

Montenegrin, Serbian and Croatian church should all unite in one church and create the empire of Uberslavia.

[ixulescu]

It has nothing to do with religion. Montenegro had biggest percentage of atheists among former Yugoslav Republics.
Thing with eastern orthodoxy is the following: chuch is closely tied to the state. Thus if you own the church, you own the state, and the opposite.

For same reason Russian orthodox church was that strongly against Ukrainian one. It's purely about power and politics in orthodoxy.

The Orthodox church is tied to ethnicity, not the state. If it was tied to the state then it's popularity would be that of the state.

In Romania, the trust in the Church is at 70%, while the trust in the government is at 13%, and in the parliament at 9%. The same is true in most Orthodox countries.

[Dušan]

You can make museums from all church buildings in Hungary if you want, it is none of my bussiness.


I would feel sad if Romanians or Russians or Greeks turn their churches in museums.
But for non-Orthodoxes I dont care.

[ixulescu]

I would feel sad if Romanians or Russians or Greeks turn their churches in museums.
But for non-Orthodoxes I dont care.

While I understand your sentiment, I kind of disagree with you here. I think we need more solidarity with all Christians, regardless of denomination and ethnicity. The challenges we face today are way bigger that our internal squabbles.

[Jana]

The Orthodox church is tied to ethnicity, not the state. If it was tied to the state then it's popularity would be that of the state.

In Romania, the trust in the Church is at 70%, while the trust in the government is at 13%, and in the parliament at 9%. The same is true in most Orthodox countries.

Not really since Montenegrin church was illegal during Yugoslavia. Besides, number of declared Serbs in Montenegro is much lower than membership of Serbian orthodox Church.
Many declared Montenegrins are still members of SPC.

[Ford]

The Orthodox church is tied to ethnicity, not the state. If it was tied to the state then it's popularity would be that of the state.

In Romania, the trust in the Church is at 70%, while the trust in the government is at 13%, and in the parliament at 9%. The same is true in most Orthodox countries.

It's true though. There is a constant tug of war between parties and politicians in order to gain more support from the church and indirectly get more voters. Without any ties to the church, you're irrelevant as a politician.

[Varda]

It has nothing to do with religion. Montenegro had biggest percentage of atheists among former Yugoslav Republics.
Thing with eastern orthodoxy is the following: chuch is closely tied to the state. Thus if you own the church, you own the state, and the opposite.

For same reason Russian orthodox church was that strongly against Ukrainian one. It's purely about power and politics in orthodoxy.

Serbian Orthodox Church is the oldest institution in Montenegro. It's established in 1219, and it's much older than state Montenegro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitanate_of_Montenegro_and_the_Littoral

Montenegrin branch of Serbian Orthodoxy since Ottoman time looked on northern Serbian Orthodoxy as spiritual mother.
For example Petar I Petrović Njegoš is ordained in Sremski Karlovci (Syrmia) in 1784 by Mojsije Putnik https://www.izazov.com/srbija/novi-sad/secanje-na-hirotonisanje-svetog-petra-cetinjskog/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_I_Petrović-Njegoš
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojsije_Putnik

80-85% of Orthodoxes in Montenegro are followers of Serbian Orthodox Church. Only 15-20% are followers of illegal so called MOC.

[Faklon]

The church is only tied to state and this state is called the empire of God, amen.

[Jana]

Serbian Orthodox Church is the oldest institution in Montenegro, it's established in 1219 and it's much older than state Montenegro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitanate_of_Montenegro_and_the_Littoral

Montenegrin branch of Serbian Orthodoxy since Ottoman time looked on northern Serbian Orthodoxy as spiritual mother.
For example Petar I Petrović Njegoš is ordained in Sremski Karlovci (Syrmia) in 1784 by Mojsije Putnik https://www.izazov.com/srbija/novi-sad/secanje-na-hirotonisanje-svetog-petra-cetinjskog/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_I_Petrović-Njegoš
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojsije_Putnik

80-85% of Orthodoxes in Montenegro are followers of Serbian Orthodox Church. Only 15-20% are followers of illegal so called MOC.

Modern Serbian orthodox Church was re-established in 1920, when Montenegro was already annexed by Serbia.
Thing with orthodox countries is that one can't be fully sovereign without own orthodox Church.

That is what all of this is about and why Serbian church also denies Macedonian orthodox church.

However, when it comes to Montenegro it's a funny circus. Fun to watch inter-Serb schism.

[ixulescu]

It's true though. There is a constant tug of war between parties and politicians in order to gain more support from the church and indirectly get more voters. Without any ties to the church, you're irrelevant as a politician.

That's a dangerous game they're playing there. In my country, the Church does not give support to any politician. It can happen that in some village the local priest to speak in support of a politician during elections, but that's against the word of the Patriarch, and people know that.

[Arūnas]

please tell them that they can take quarrels and fights here on TA

[Varda]

Modern Serbian orthodox Church was re-established in 1920, when Montenegro was already annexed by Serbia.
Thing with orthodox countries is that one can't be fully sovereign without own orthodox Church.

That is why all of this is about and why Serbian church also denies Macedonian orthodox church.

However, when it comes to Montenegro it's a funny circus. Fun to watch inter-Serb schism.

It is a formality.
Serbian Orthodox Church in reality is established in 1219 by Saint Sava https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_Serbian_Orthodox_Church#Archibish ops,_1219%E2%80%931346
SOC changed several seats through history Žiča, Peć, Sremski Karlovci and finally Belgrade. Official tittle of Serbian Patriarch is Archibishop of Peć, Mitropolit of Belgrade and Karlovci and Serbian Partiarch.

There was no any occupation of Montenegro by Serbia in 1918. Montenegro disappeared/capitulated in 1916 with Austro-Hungarian occupation, government and king Nikola fled the country. In 1918 formally legal Montenegro doesn't existed.

[Laku]

The church is only tied to state and this state is called the empire of God, amen.
Which state because there are two?

[Dušan]

It is a formality.
Serbian Orthodox Church in reality is established in 1219 by Saint Sava https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_Serbian_Orthodox_Church#Archibish ops,_1219%E2%80%931346


Thanks to our Serbian Orthodox Church, we have survived as a people and a nation through the centuries.
When Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina were occupied by the Muslim Ottoman empire, when a large part of our people lived as a minority in the Catholic Habsburg Empire, the Church preserved our identity.

[Varda]

Orthodox believers in Podgorica shout "vladiko sokole", it means "bishop, you a are falcon" (refers to the bishop Joanikije). Montenegrin prime minister Zdravko Krivokapić was present there.


https://youtu.be/8VQPi0EmANM

[Varda]

Thanks to our Serbian Orthodox Church, we have survived as a people and a nation through the centuries.
When Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina were occupied by the Muslim Ottoman empire, when a large part of our people lived as a minority in the Catholic Habsburg Empire, the Church preserved our identity.

Without Serbian Orthodox Church vast majority if not all Serbs in Ottoman empire would become Muslims, and in Habsburg Monarchy and Republic of Venice Catholics.
Significant part of Serbs in these states/empires converted on Islam and Catholicism, but majority stayed Orthodox.

[Dušan]

Nice song: Orthodoxy shines in Montenegro :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvHNfSPo1x4

[Voskos]

Typical Balkanite bros. I'd be worried if they didn't contest.

[Bigby]

That's a dangerous game they're playing there. In my country, the Church does not give support to any politician. It can happen that in some village the local priest to speak in support of a politician during elections, but that's against the word of the Patriarch, and people know that.

I hope that you're talking about USA, here, in ROMANIA, the church is openly supporting the socialistic party PSD(the party for proletarian government workers, beggars, gipsies, churchgoers etc..).

And the patriarch is an ex-securist big PSD shill, he's always openly supported PSD at all the parliament and presidential elections, not to mention that at those the priests in the church openly preach to vote PSD.
https://www.facebook.com/baricada.tv/videos/dragnea-garantat-de-patriarhul-daniel-ce-promite-face/2209395206049256/

[ixulescu]

I hope that you're talking about USA, here, in ROMANIA, the church is openly supporting the socialistic party PSD(the party for proletarian government workers, beggars, gipsies, churchgoers etc..).

And the patriarch is a big PSD shill, he's always openly supported PSD at all the parliament and presidential elections, not to mention that at those the priests in the church openly preach to vote PSD.
https://www.facebook.com/baricada.tv/videos/dragnea-garantat-de-patriarhul-daniel-ce-promite-face/2209395206049256/

Yep, that's very unpleasant, but not a call to vote. In all my church going I have not heard one priest say vote PSD.

That said, the Church does have an inclination towards conservative political forces, I don't think anyone expects otherwise. PSD is a left-wing party, but a socially conservative one - a difficult thing to wrap the head around in the West.

[Bigby]

Yep, that's very unpleasant, but not a call to vote. In all my church going I have not heard one priest say vote PSD.

That said, the Church does have an inclination towards conservative political forces, I don't think anyone expects otherwise. PSD is a left-wing party, but a socially conservative one - a difficult thing to wrap the head around in the West.

You've said that the church and the patriarch are not involved in politics, they clearly are as I've posted. The only exception is in western Romania or most of Transilvania where PNL( the other big party) and the LGBTHIV+ corporate rats USR party are voted in majority. Go during the election day in a church in a city where PSD has electorate majority, they openly support them, cause they fund them big time, any romanian living here will agree with me.

There is nothing holy in the romanian church, they are all corrupt thieves.

[Dušan]

I plan to visit Romania and the city of Iasi in the coming years. There are the relics of St. Parasceva (Sveta Petka), the favorite female-saint among the Orthodox peoples of the Balkans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraskeva_of_the_Balkans

[Varda]

https://youtu.be/cFMKw7yByYE

[ixulescu]

You've said that the church and the patriarch are not involved in politics, they clearly are as I've posted. The only exception is in western Romania or most of Transilvania where PNL( the other big party) and the LGBTHIV+ corporate rats USR party are voted in majority. Go during the election day in a church in a city where PSD has electorate majority, they openly support them, cause they fund them big time, any romanian living here will agree with me.

There is nothing holy in the romanian church, they are all corrupt thieves.

You didn't give any example of political support during the elections from the upper echelons of the Church.
Stop pretending you did something you didn't.

I'm from a Southern county where PNL(PDL) and PSD win alternatively. I've never saw any involvement of the Church during the elections.

[Bigby]

You didn't give any example of political support during the elections from the upper echelons of the Church.
Stop pretending you did something you didn't.

I'm from a Southern county where PNL(PDL) and PSD win alternatively. I've never saw any involvement of the Church during the elections.

I just gave you a quickly googled video of our patriarch giving open support to PSDs leader Liviu Dragnea and told you, cause you probably didn't know, that PSD is the only party that would finance the church and in turn, it's probably their biggest propaganda machine.

[Varda]

Serbian patriotic song Onamo, 'namo! written by Montenegrin king Nikola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onamo,_%27namo!#Lyrics


https://youtu.be/74aKZNbtV68

[ixulescu]

I just gave you a quickly googled video of our patriarch giving open support to PSDs leader Liviu Dragnea and told you, cause you probably didn't know, that PSD is the only party that would finance the church and in turn, it's probably their biggest propaganda machine.

You don't understand what you're looking at. In that video you posted, Dragnea received a medal for his personal donations towards monasteries. Anyone with similar donations receives the note from the Church.

[Bigby]

You don't understand what you're looking at. In that video you posted, Dragnea received a medal for his personal donations towards monasteries. Anyone with similar donations receives the note from the Church.

Dragnea "donated". Are you stupid? He aint any rich person(on paper) to offer anything significant, and those were the 2014 presidential elections.

His party gives millions every year to the church.

https://www.digi24.ro/special/dosare/cotroceni-2014/biserica-acuzata-ca-se-implica-in-alegeri-sa-votam-cu-cei-care-sunt-ortodocsi-sa-votam-cu-victor-ponta-caci-el-poate-sa-ne-uneasca-320058

Liderul PSD spune că a vorbit şi cu liderii locali ai Bisericii, care ar fi fost de acord să ajute şi ei.

„Am vorbit cu preasfinţitul, am vorbit cu toţi popii. Exact cum vorbesc cu voi, aşa am vorbit şi cu ei şi am spus la popi în felul următor: băi, oameni buni, s-o terminat. Dacă nu vreţi să fiţi de partea noastră, să votaţi cu domnul Victor Ponta, eu nu vă mai cunosc. (...) Şi i-am spus la preasfinţit, a spus presfinţitul trimiţi în fiecare localitate, în fiecare biserică un om, ăla să trimită SMS şi-n localitatea la care n-o spus să votezi cu Ponta să nu-l văd. Dar nu se mai poate. Nu se mai poate. Deci preasfinţitul o fost de partea noastră total".

„Este în jurul nostru şi vicepepreşedinte Mircea Govor, care şi el este ortodox şi el este împreună cu noi. Şi ne îndeamnă şi el pe noi pe toţi să fim uniţi şi să votăm, să votăm, să votăm cu cei care sunt ortodocşi, să votăm cu Victor Ponta căci el poate să ne unească."

Și alți telespectatori ne-au transmis că biserica se implică în propaganda electorală. Radu Mărgărit ne-a trimis fotografia de mai jos cu mențiunea că „se întâmpla în urmă cu două zile la Mănăstirea Cozia”:

[ixulescu]

https://www.digi24.ro/special/dosare/cotroceni-2014/biserica-acuzata-ca-se-implica-in-alegeri-sa-votam-cu-cei-care-sunt-ortodocsi-sa-votam-cu-victor-ponta-caci-el-poate-sa-ne-uneasca-320058

Liderul PSD spune că a vorbit şi cu liderii locali ai Bisericii, care ar fi fost de acord să ajute şi ei.

„Am vorbit cu preasfinţitul, am vorbit cu toţi popii. Exact cum vorbesc cu voi, aşa am vorbit şi cu ei şi am spus la popi în felul următor: băi, oameni buni, s-o terminat. Dacă nu vreţi să fiţi de partea noastră, să votaţi cu domnul Victor Ponta, eu nu vă mai cunosc. (...) Şi i-am spus la preasfinţit, a spus presfinţitul trimiţi în fiecare localitate, în fiecare biserică un om, ăla să trimită SMS şi-n localitatea la care n-o spus să votezi cu Ponta să nu-l văd. Dar nu se mai poate. Nu se mai poate. Deci preasfinţitul o fost de partea noastră total".

„Este în jurul nostru şi vicepepreşedinte Mircea Govor, care şi el este ortodox şi el este împreună cu noi. Şi ne îndeamnă şi el pe noi pe toţi să fim uniţi şi să votăm, să votăm, să votăm cu cei care sunt ortodocşi, să votăm cu Victor Ponta căci el poate să ne unească."

Și alți telespectatori ne-au transmis că biserica se implică în propaganda electorală. Radu Mărgărit ne-a trimis fotografia de mai jos cu mențiunea că „se întâmpla în urmă cu două zile la Mănăstirea Cozia”:


Are you fucking dumb? That's some PSD idiot claiming he has the support of the Church. Can you distinguish between a claim and proof?

Any party can donate as much as they want, it's legal. But that wasn't the original claim. Your said that the Church was involved during the elections. Show me a high ranking clerical figure showing support for PSD during the elections.

[Bigby]

Are you fucking dumb? That's some PSD idiot claiming he has the support of the Church. Can you distinguish between a claim and proof?

Any party can donate as much as they want, it's legal. But that wasn't the original claim. Your said that the Church was involved during the elections. Show me a high ranking clerical figure showing support for PSD during the elections.

You're embarrassing yourself, it's not some "PSD idiot" it's the leader of PSD from a county who says that the Patriarch told that priests will shill for PSD, and I've added quotes previously and below of people recording priests from villages in that county who told people to vote PSD openly:

Şi i-am spus la preasfinţit, a spus presfinţitul trimiţi în fiecare localitate, în fiecare biserică un om, ăla să trimită SMS şi-n localitatea la care n-o spus să votezi cu Ponta să nu-l văd. Dar nu se mai poate. Nu se mai poate. Deci preasfinţitul o fost de partea noastră total


Un post local de televiziune a difuzat înregistrarea cu părintele duhovnic Sebastian, de la mănăstirea Țeghea, care îndeamnă enoriații din Moftinu Mic - filmare semnalată Digi24 de telespectatorul Sabin Blaj

O dovadă în sprijinul afirmaţiilor lui Mircea Govor a fost prezentată de o televiziune locală. La slujba de duminică, preotului din comuna Moftinu Mic le-a recomandat enoriaşilor cum să voteze.

Este în jurul nostru şi vicepepreşedinte Mircea Govor, care şi el este ortodox şi el este împreună cu noi. Şi ne îndeamnă şi el pe noi pe toţi să fim uniţi şi să votăm, să votăm, să votăm cu cei care sunt ortodocşi, să votăm cu Victor Ponta căci el poate să ne unească.



> Show me a high ranking clerical figure showing support for PSD during the elections.

The Patriarch himself comes out and makes a special ceremony for the PSD party leader Liviu Dragnea during the 2014 presidential elections, can't get any clearer than this.

Here's an entire article with high ranking priests shilling for PSD:

https://ziaristii.com/biserica-ortodoxa-romana-si-neutralitatea-politica-perioada-electorala/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCX1syfSONw
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=405499913970179


> Any party can donate as much as they want, it's legal.

It's not donating directly from theirs, it's from OUR BUDGET once they win the elections. They'd get almost 0% without PSD.

https://www.g4media.ro/statul-roman-a-dat-pana-acum-peste-121-de-milioane-de-euro-din-bani-publici-pentru-construirea-catedralei-mantuirii-neamului.html

We paid 121 milion euros out of our budget thanks to PSD just for 1 church.

[ixulescu]

You're embarrassing yourself, it's not some "PSD idiot" it's the leader of PSD from a county who says that the Patriarch told that priests will shill for PSD, and I've added quotes previously and below of people recording priests from villages in that county who told people to vote PSD openly:


I can only conclude you are retarded. I asked from the beginning for a raking clerical figure and you can only show a village priest.

Your point about cathedral financing is equally retarded. In the Catholic West the taxes for the Church are enormous compared to Romania.

[Bigby]

I can only conclude you are retarded. I asked from the beginning for a raking clerical figure and you can only show a village priest.

Your point about cathedral financing is equally retarded. In the Catholic West the taxes for the Church are enormous compared to Romania.

Idiot, what village priest, those were proofs of priests shilling for PSD from that county specifically where the PSD leader said that the Patriarch has vouched that the church will have its priests tell people to vote PSD.

I've shown not only the Patriarch but multiple other high ranking priests like the archbishop of Oltenia(southern part of Romania) in that article and dozens of other priests openly shilling for PSD during elections.

>Your point about cathedral financing is equally retarded. In the Catholic West the taxes for the Church are enormous compared to Romania.

Don't care about the West. Without PSD they'd be cut from the state budget.

[Bigby]

I plan to visit Romania and the city of Iasi in the coming years. There are the relics of St. Parasceva (Sveta Petka), the favorite female-saint among the Orthodox peoples of the Balkans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraskeva_of_the_Balkans

Honestly, I've never been in Iasi but the whole eastern part, especially north-eastern is depressing and looks typical eastern european like Ukraine with near 0 government investments and care, some old buildings, parks(don't care about this), museums(neither about these) and the rest is plain communism architecture. In this aspect, Bucharest is a far better commie place and probably has 10x more things to see.

For visiting Romania, from where I've been I'd strongly recommend Brasov and the surrounding region(looks miles different than the rest of Romania, generally speaking, whole Transilvania does so), and obv the Black Sea county Constanta for the sea while keeping in mind that in Romania tourism has been worth 0 for the romanian government in the past decades who is to preoccupied to steal from wherever they can, in fact with or without tourism probably nothing changes in terms of our government spendings.

I've also heard good things about Timisoara, however, it's way in the corner of Romania, and I don't like cities without either mountains or open sea(preferably there should be both).

[Dušan]

Honestly, I've never been in Iasi but the whole eastern part, especially north-eastern is depressing and looks typical eastern european like Ukraine with near 0 government investments and care, some old buildings, parks(don't care about this), museums(neither about these) and the rest is plain communism architecture. In this aspect, Bucharest is a far better commie place and probably has 10x more things to see.

For visiting Romania, from where I've been I'd strongly recommend Brasov and the surrounding region(looks miles different than the rest of Romania, generally speaking, whole Transilvania does so), and obv the Black Sea county Constanta for the sea while keeping in mind that in Romania tourism has been worth 0 for the romanian government in the past decades who is to preoccupied to steal from wherever they can, in fact with or without tourism probably nothing changes in terms of our government spendings.

I've also heard good things about Timisoara, however, it's way in the corner of Romania, and I don't like cities without either mountains or open sea(preferably there should be both).

I plan to visit Iasi because of relics of St. Paraskeva.
But of course, since I live in Belgrade, I will travel through Romanian part of Banat and through Transilvania to reach Iasi.
So across entire Romania.

I was already in Timisoara, it is very close Serbian border, and indeed it is gorgeous city.

[Bigby]

I plan to visit Iasi because of relics of St. Paraskeva.
But of course, since I live in Belgrade, I will travel through Romanian part of Banat and through Transilvania to reach Iasi.
So across entire Romania.

I was already in Timisoara, it is very close Serbian border, and indeed it is gorgeous city.

Everything north of Brasov is shit, keep away. Just stop at Brasov's KFC and go back, you'll def thank me later :)

[Vojnik]

Here is how Serbian partiarch was greeted in Podgorica capital of Montenegro where Montenegrin prime minister was present. Cetinje is an insignificant shithole.


https://youtu.be/nROJkIK2cZY


https://youtu.be/ieVPuIiDipg


It's way too nationalistic. It ruins an otherwise good step to unifying the church.

[Vojnik]

Modern Serbian orthodox Church was re-established in 1920, when Montenegro was already annexed by Serbia.
Thing with orthodox countries is that one can't be fully sovereign without own orthodox Church.

That is what all of this is about and why Serbian church also denies Macedonian orthodox church.

However, when it comes to Montenegro it's a funny circus. Fun to watch inter-Serb schism.

I understand the desire for Serbs with Montenegro, but the Ohrid archbishopric can either be autonomous or part of the Bulgarian church.

Either way, I hope to God that the church issue in Macedonia sorts itself out. Being out of communion with the other Orthodox churches is terrible.

[Dušan]

Without Serbian Orthodox Church vast majority if not all Serbs in Ottoman empire would become Muslims, and in Habsburg Monarchy and Republic of Venice Catholics.
Significant part of Serbs in these states/empires converted on Islam and Catholicism, but majority stayed Orthodox.

That is the reason why Croat ustaše were especially cruel toward Serbian Orthodox priesthood, because Serbian Church preserved Serb identity and religion through centuries, when we were stateless, in Ottoman and Habsburg empires.

This is monument dedicated for 2 Orthodox bishops and 52 Orthodox priests who were killed in 1941. by Croats and thrown into pits on Velebit mountain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadovno_concentration_camp

https://i.imgur.com/wM9ts6g.jpg

[Varda]

That is the reason why Croat ustaše were especially cruel toward Serbian Orthodox priesthood, because Serbian Church preserved Serb identity and religion through centuries, when we were stateless, in Ottoman and Habsburg empires.

This is monument dedicated for 2 Orthodox bishops and 52 Orthodox priests who were killed in 1941. by Croats and thrown into pits on Velebit mountain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadovno_concentration_camp

https://i.imgur.com/wM9ts6g.jpg

I noticed that Croatians especially hate Serbian Orthodox Church. In their sick heads SOC is absolute evil and creator of Serbian nationalism and permanent Serbian aspirations for the expansion on Croatian territories. :picard1:

[CommonSense]

I noticed that Croatians especially hate Serbian Orthodox Church. In their sick heads SOC is absolute evil and creator of Serbian nationalism and permanent Serbian aspirations for the expansion on Croatian territories. :picard1:

Not only them, but all of our neighbours, except Romanians and Hungarians, have adopted that narrative. Even the newly-fabricated Docleans.

[Varda]

It's way too nationalistic. It ruins an otherwise good step to unifying the church.

Serbian identity in Montenegro has been attacked since 1941. Finally Serbs in Montenegro after the many decades raised their heads. In 1990 bishop Amfilohije Radović began to renew church life in Montenegro which was most atheistic republic in Yugoslavia. Result of 30 years of his work are that hundreds of churches and monasteries have come to life, and large part of people became religious again. In the same time his work preserved Serbian identity among significant part of Orthodox population of Montenegro. Serbs of Montenegro and Montenegrins who are followers of SOC now are one of the most religious Christians in the former Yugoslavia and Balkans, and 30 years ago they were the biggest atheist in Yugoslavia. SOC is very important part of their identity, and nationalistic symbols in Podgorica are normal.
Anti-Serbian Montenegrins are mostly declared atheists.

[Jana]

For a good reason :coffee:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTLAtHMaV8

SPC = Satan's chosen Church xD

[Dirdepo]

When Novak wins I will celebrate as a personal achievement. Anyways your all the same, except Vlachs

[Dušan]

I noticed that Croatians especially hate Serbian Orthodox Church. In their sick heads SOC is absolute evil and creator of Serbian nationalism and permanent Serbian aspirations for the expansion on Croatian territories. :picard1:

Thats what Catholic clergy teach them.


Friar Srećko Perić, whose sister was married to a Serb, addressed the gathered Croats in the spring of 1941 from the altar of the church in the Livno district:
"Brother Croats, go and slaughter all Serbs, and first slaughter my sister who is married to a Serb. When you have finished this work, come to me in the church, where I will confess you, and all your sins will be forgiven. ”

https://express.24sata.hr/media/img/d7/61/14b8155d164d5b1671a8.jpeg

[Varda]

When Novak wins I will celebrate as a personal achievement. Anyways your all the same, except Vlachs

Novak Đoković originated from Montenegro by paternal line, from village Jasenovo Polje https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovo_Polje

In March 2011 the then president of Serbia Boris Tadić together with Novak's father Srđan and uncle visited Jasenovo Polje. Boris Tadić originated from Piva few km from Jasenovo Polje.


https://youtu.be/c6HcnzFNQlw

[Dirdepo]

Novak Đoković originated from Montenegro by paternal line, from village Jasenovo Polje https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovo_Polje

Here former Serbian president Boris Tadić together Novak's father Srđan and uncle visited Jasenovo Polje. Boris Tadić originated from Piva few km from Jasenovo Polje.


https://youtu.be/c6HcnzFNQlw

My Father escaped from USSR thru Belgrade, the airport guards thought he was using fake passport so they put all these marker stains in his passport to check if it was real. They probably thought he was Montenegrin or Bosniak

[Jana]

Source? Let me guess: SerbianFairyTales.blog.rs

[Tommie]

Honestly, I've never been in Iasi but the whole eastern part, especially north-eastern is depressing and looks typical eastern european like Ukraine with near 0 government investments and care, some old buildings, parks(don't care about this), museums(neither about these) and the rest is plain communism architecture. In this aspect, Bucharest is a far better commie place and probably has 10x more things to see.

For visiting Romania, from where I've been I'd strongly recommend Brasov and the surrounding region(looks miles different than the rest of Romania, generally speaking, whole Transilvania does so), and obv the Black Sea county Constanta for the sea while keeping in mind that in Romania tourism has been worth 0 for the romanian government in the past decades who is to preoccupied to steal from wherever they can, in fact with or without tourism probably nothing changes in terms of our government spendings.
I've spent some days in Northeastern Romania this summer and it's a beautiful region with many interesting places, green landscapes and nice people, nothing depressing about it.

Some pictures I took while driving through some communes

https://i.imgur.com/pJUpOva.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RuEqDly.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PaEDeG8.png
https://i.imgur.com/9UmD0ES.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OnNYIBz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fTFryjs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9jvR5wR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/M5Ol5u5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X9Uernp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HMXZvNz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rs2SpLJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/x8g8l33.png
https://i.imgur.com/KflkEZF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U5Hb5pi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bjbl5Nz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GitAFzD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bQYiQOW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UYzXXFh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8Wlnb98.png
https://i.imgur.com/Ea6JBbE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JaP2SR0.png
https://i.imgur.com/mAELM4U.jpg



I plan to visit Iasi because of relics of St. Paraskeva.
But of course, since I live in Belgrade, I will travel through Romanian part of Banat and through Transilvania to reach Iasi.
So across entire Romania.

I was already in Timisoara, it is very close Serbian border, and indeed it is gorgeous city.
If you plan on visiting Iasi, then you should definitely try to visit the UNESCO monasteries as well :)

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/romania/articles/a-guide-to-visiting-the-painted-churches-of-moldavia/

https://i.imgur.com/vXGWZtR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MUzBIFF.jpg

[Varda]

Thats what Catholic clergy teach them.


Friar Srećko Perić, whose sister was married to a Serb, addressed the gathered Croats in the spring of 1941 from the altar of the church in the Livno district:
"Brother Croats, go and slaughter all Serbs, and first slaughter my sister who is married to a Serb. When you have finished this work, come to me in the church, where I will confess you, and all your sins will be forgiven. ”

https://express.24sata.hr/media/img/d7/61/14b8155d164d5b1671a8.jpeg

Many Croatian Catholic priests slaughtered Serbs with their own hands or called for the extermination of Serbs. Miroslav Filipović (with nick "fra Satan") is one of the many, but most famous who killed Serbs with own hands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Filipović
Names of some other Croatian Catholic priests who personally killed Serbs or called/blessed genocide on Serbs: Ivan Šarić, Kvirin Bonefačić, Antun Đurić, Viktor Burić, Josip Srebrnić, Krunoslav Draganović, Antun Akšamović, Herman Častimir, Ivan Mikan, Josip Gunčević, Ivan Šimić, Nikola Ivanković, Julije Kožul, Serafim Vištica, Oton Knezović, Rade Glavaš, Jure Vrdoljak, Ante Čule, Petar Čule, Ilija Tomas, Silvije Franković etc.

Professor Viktor Novak (ethnic Croatian) said/wrote: Don Ilija Tomas Catholic priest in Klepci and Loznica near Čapljina in Herzegovina gathered group of local Serbs in church to converting them on Catholicism, but then he handed them over to the ustashe who took them on Bivolje Brdo and there they were throw into a karst pit after torture.

[Jana]

Filipović was excommunicated from Catholic church. But Servs who sing faschist anthems are now active part of SPC.

Don't try to wash away fact you are led by Satanic church. And that you celebrate cetnik butchers as saints of SPC.

But nobody expects decency from Serbs, Balkan Gypsies in spirit.

[TheMaestro]

inshallah god saves you guys.

[Varda]

Filipović was excommunicated from Catholic church.

Filipović was not the only one.
Over 1000 Catholic priests participated in the genocide committed by Croatians against Serbs 1941-45.

https://orthochristian.com/114594.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Ustaše

[Bigby]

I've spent some days in Northeastern Romania this summer and it's a beautiful region with many interesting places, green landscapes and nice people, nothing depressing about it.

Some pictures I took while driving through some communes

https://i.imgur.com/pJUpOva.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RuEqDly.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PaEDeG8.png
https://i.imgur.com/9UmD0ES.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OnNYIBz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fTFryjs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9jvR5wR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/M5Ol5u5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X9Uernp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HMXZvNz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rs2SpLJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/x8g8l33.png
https://i.imgur.com/KflkEZF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U5Hb5pi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bjbl5Nz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GitAFzD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bQYiQOW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UYzXXFh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8Wlnb98.png
https://i.imgur.com/Ea6JBbE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JaP2SR0.png
https://i.imgur.com/mAELM4U.jpg



If you plan on visiting Iasi, then you should definitely try to visit the UNESCO monasteries as well :)

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/romania/articles/a-guide-to-visiting-the-painted-churches-of-moldavia/

https://i.imgur.com/vXGWZtR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MUzBIFF.jpg

Those arent average communes and they still look depressing, lol 2 floors houses are maybe 1 in 1000 in reality. Those are probably the peak of Moldova and probably that village is right at the exit of a big city like Iasi, the average village looks, without any stretch, medieval.

The only villages in Romania that are okay and some actually good-looking, reside almost all in Transilvania.

[Dušan]

Tensions in Montenegro reached fever pitch at the weekend as protesters and police clashed over the inauguration of an orthodox bishop amid continued division over church independence.



Now it is clear that some of the protesters against inauguration were Muslims. This woman in video said that she said "Allahu Akbar" during clash with police.

https://www.novosti.rs/crna-gora/vesti/1035710/komite-vikale-alahu-akbar-policiji-ucesnica-haosa-cetinju-otkrila-kako-docekali-snage-reda-video

Muslims in Montenegro are minority of some 15%, why are they playing with fire and provoking Orthodox Christians?

[Vojnik]

Now it is clear that some of the protesters against inauguration were Muslims. This woman in video said that she said "Allahu Akbar" during clash with police.

https://www.novosti.rs/crna-gora/vesti/1035710/komite-vikale-alahu-akbar-policiji-ucesnica-haosa-cetinju-otkrila-kako-docekali-snage-reda-video

Muslims in Montenegro are minority of some 15%, why are they playing with fire and provoking Orthodox Christians?


Satan uses his minions on earth as a tool to divide.

[Dušan]

Satan uses his minions on earth as a tool to divide.

Indeed.

News from this morning:



VANDALISM IN CROATIA REACHED PEAK: A broken cross appeared in the yard of the Orthodox Church

A broken marble cross appeared in the yard of the Orthodox Church in Požega, and according to the words of the Požega parish priest Dejan Šarić, who lives next to the church, the incident happened on the night between Saturday and Sunday.

https://www.srbijadanas.com/vesti/region/vandalizam-u-hrvatskoj-dostigao-vrhunac-u-dvoristu-pravoslavne-crkve-osvanuo-slomljen-krst-2021-09-13?ref=aklamator&ak=CqMplPgg&utm_source=aklamator_com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=VANDALIZAM_U_HRVATSKOJ_DOSTIGAO_VRH

[Dušan]

Croatia of 21th century

https://www.portalnovosti.com/system/gallery_element/image/27838/large_krst.jpg

https://pozega.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/20210912_094230-1170x659.jpg

[Laku]

Satan uses his minions on earth as a tool to divide.

It's not correct to use the double standard.

[catgeorge]

I support Serbia on this one. Montenegrins need to be slapped around like a wet blanket.

[Dušan]

Irony or not, this young woman took part in protest, yet she got married yesterday in Serbian Orthodox church in Podgorica.
:noidea:


https://i.imgur.com/h3wF8ty.png

[Dušan]

Today is inauguration of the other Orthodox bishop in Montenegro, in town of Berane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berane).

This time, new bishop is warmly welcomed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDv7Nkezyq8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPZ0XIvdQMY

[Varda]

Today is inauguration of the other Orthodox bishop in Montenegro, in town of Berane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berane).

This time, new bishop is warmly welcomed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDv7Nkezyq8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPZ0XIvdQMY

:thumb001:

Berane is center of Vasojevići the most Serbian tribe in Montenegro.