Turul Karom yourDNAportal Results

[Turul Karom]

Hello, all.

Been awhile since I posted any DNA results or forum posts in general. I thought that these would be cool to share with those who are interested in Magyar genetics. I found that the results were pretty accurate for my known ancestry, and given the complex origins of Hungarians. I score both Hun Mongolia and Finno-Ugric Urals and interesting other reference kits (such as Gokturk_DA89). In tests I am predominantly Central European (Germanic more than Slavic) with Turkic elements throughout. My background is 50% Székely and 50% western Hungarian.

I have been pretty busy (haven't we all?) though I am trying to make time to have more conversations. Thanks for taking a look at my results and for all of the discussions. I would be more than happy to hear your feedback.

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[Luke35]

It seems to me that your western Hungarian side is likely to be quite Germanic-shifted, as K15 shows your Szekely side fits right in with that kind of modeling (German/Szekely). Also, Turkic ancestry seems evident, more likely a legacy of your Szekely side I would think.

Most importantly, great to see you posting again.

[Mejgusu]

Great and interesting results my Magyar brother!

[Hektor12]

Great results, im proud of you!

I think you fit well within ancient Attila folk, which was a Turkic-Germanic people. You appear to be a "real Magyar" in my view.

And thanks to genetic science, give us the origins of people precisely.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7DoaIiytrVU/XpbxHwi7ktI/AAAAAAAAHTk/l5nUi93iEzwa4tajXb6WBTonkdgucgG7ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/turkish-states-history.png

[Turul Karom]

It seems to me that your western Hungarian side is likely to be quite Germanic-shifted, as K15 shows your Szekely side fits right in with that kind of modeling (German/Szekely). Also, Turkic ancestry seems evident, more likely a legacy of your Szekely side I would think.

Most importantly, great to see you posting again.

Thanks for the kind words! I would agree with your overview. It would be interesting to see other Hungarian results from the same calcs. Do you know anyone who might have done these as well?

[Albertón]

Nice.

[Luke35]

Thanks for the kind words! I would agree with your overview. It would be interesting to see other Hungarian results from the same calcs. Do you know anyone who might have done these as well?

These are my results to the calcs you posted above, I did not do the advanced analysis calcs though as I believe those were not free. Some months back I can remember there was a thread for posting the new Huijbregts/Capelli YDP calcs/oracles, I am sure a few Hungarians were involved, I'd need to find the thread.

K15 -Modern
Admix 2 Oracle
Population
Value
Danish
50
Romania_Sw
50

K15 - Ancient
Admix 1% - min
Population
Value
EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
39
Nordic_Germanic_NO3423
16
Hallstatt_Celt_DA111
14
Sarmatian_Pokrovka_I0575
8
Medieval_Hungarian_DA199
6
Sidon_Canaanite_ERS1790729
6
Migration_Period_DA119
3
Cimmerian_Cim357
2
Sidon_733
2
Bavaria_STR310
1
Gabi_I1671
1
Hoabinhian_LA368
1
Sidon_Canaanite_ERS1790733
1

K36 - Ancient
Admix 1% - min
Population
Value
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22
45
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
19
MA2197_Anatolia_IA
9
DA223_Wusun_Tian-Shan
7
IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL
5
Scythian009_Ukraine
5
BA_Hungary_RISE374
4
BA_Hungary_BR2
2
BA_Potapovka_I0246
1
CHL_Iran_I1670
1
DA179_Kipchak
1
LBA_Lithuania_RISE598
1

[Gergő Marosvári]

Here are a few results from me on YourDnaPortal:

Eurogenes K15 ancient (two way mode and the percentages)
https://i.postimg.cc/RFD8pRYT/K15-si-kett-s-m-dban.png
https://i.postimg.cc/fLVZbJnB/K15-si.png

Pangea (two way mode and the percentages)
https://i.postimg.cc/BbWWQpCn/Pangea-sz-zal-kok.png
https://i.postimg.cc/jdbVp858/Pangea-kett-s-m-d.png

[Lucas]

Here are a few results from me on YourDnaPortal:

Eurogenes K15 ancient (two way mode and the percentages)
https://i.postimg.cc/RFD8pRYT/K15-si-kett-s-m-dban.png
https://i.postimg.cc/fLVZbJnB/K15-si.png

Pangea (two way mode and the percentages)
https://i.postimg.cc/BbWWQpCn/Pangea-sz-zal-kok.png
https://i.postimg.cc/jdbVp858/Pangea-kett-s-m-d.png

nice results:thumb001:

[Nanushka]

Congrats and welcome back :) Your results points to your Hungarian-Turkic origins as ever along with other Central European. Kazakhstan is there as expected along with some other Turkic sites. Here is my results using EU Test V2 and K36 results in yourDNAportal for you to serve as reference, I like to see Afanasievo and Wusun as they are compatible with later Avar ancestry:

https://i.imgur.com/cKTayEm.png
https://i.imgur.com/1iXp55G.png

https://i.imgur.com/7hM3Q9k.png
https://i.imgur.com/Sh5u5iz.png

[Nanushka]

double post

maybe I should stop being lazy and start my own DNA thread:)

[Gergő Marosvári]

These are my results to the calcs you posted above, I did not do the advanced analysis calcs though as I believe those were not free. Some months back I can remember there was a thread for posting the new Huijbregts/Capelli YDP calcs/oracles, I am sure a few Hungarians were involved, I'd need to find the thread.

K15 -Modern
Admix 2 Oracle
Population
Value
Danish
50
Romania_Sw
50

K15 - Ancient
Admix 1% - min
Population
Value
EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
39
Nordic_Germanic_NO3423
16
Hallstatt_Celt_DA111
14
Sarmatian_Pokrovka_I0575
8
Medieval_Hungarian_DA199
6
Sidon_Canaanite_ERS1790729
6
Migration_Period_DA119
3
Cimmerian_Cim357
2
Sidon_733
2
Bavaria_STR310
1
Gabi_I1671
1
Hoabinhian_LA368
1
Sidon_Canaanite_ERS1790733
1

K36 - Ancient
Admix 1% - min
Population
Value
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22
45
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
19
MA2197_Anatolia_IA
9
DA223_Wusun_Tian-Shan
7
IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL
5
Scythian009_Ukraine
5
BA_Hungary_RISE374
4
BA_Hungary_BR2
2
BA_Potapovka_I0246
1
CHL_Iran_I1670
1
DA179_Kipchak
1
LBA_Lithuania_RISE598
1

Great results! You also got some Sarmatian in there! :)

[Luke35]

Great results! You also got some Sarmatian in there! :)

Thank you!

And I notice that you, Turul, and me all score a healthy amount of that EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569 sample. Maybe this is nothing special, I'm not really sure, but it is something that I noticed anyway.

[oszkar07]

EUtest V2 K15

Distance
EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
1.348
Scythian_SCY311
1.527
Medieval_Hungarian_DA199
1.732
Przeclawice_RISE150
1.784
Cimmerian_Cim357
1.816
Hallstatt_Celt_DA111
1.844
Migration_Period_DA119
1.896
Bavaria_STR310
2.363
Admix 2 Oracle
Population
Value
Cimmerian_Cim357
50
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
50
Population percentages
Admix 4 Oracle
Population
Value
EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
50
Hallstatt_Celt_DA111
25
TianShan_Hun_DA81
25
Population percentages
Admix 10% - min
Population
Value
EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
40
Hallstatt_Celt_DA111
20
Przeclawice_RISE150
20
Sidon_Canaanite_ERS1790729
10
TianShan_Hun_DA81
10
Population percentages
Admix 1% - min
Population
Value
EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
40
Przeclawice_RISE150
20
Hallstatt_Celt_DA111
14
TianShan_Hun_DA81
12
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9
Sidon_Canaanite_ERS1790729
3
Gokturk_DA89
2


Eurogenes K36

Closest population distances
Population
Distance
DA191_Hungary_Scythian
1.304211
BA_Hungary_BR2
1.323541
IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16
1.389357
Scythian009_Ukraine
1.514724
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
1.543648
I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
1.72935
IA_Hungary_IR1
1.737387
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22
1.758559
Population percentages
Population
Value
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
26.4
BA_Hungary_BR2
11
Kivutkalns_153_Latvia_BA
10.4
IA_Hungary_IR1
10
BA_Hungary_RISE374
7.8
BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE139
6.8
IA_Wielbark_Kow_26_PL
6.4
BA_Potapovka_I0246
3.8
IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL
3.8
BA_Hungary_RISE371
2.6
BA_Unetice_Germany_I0047
2.4
MA2197_Anatolia_IA
2.4
BA_Sintashta_RISE395
1.6
BA_Srubnaya_I0235
1.6
IA_Wielbark_Kow_55_PL
0.8
BA_Srubnaya_I0358
0.6
EBA_Jordan__I1705
0.6
MBA_Armenia_RISE416
0.6
BA_Okunevo_RISE515
0.4

[Dick]

Pardon my ignorance but aren't the Szekely and Csango closest to the original Huns?

[Turul Karom]

Pardon my ignorance but aren't the Szekely and Csango closest to the original Huns?

That's how the lore goes.

Interestingly enough, Székely and Csángó Hungarians score more Turkic on average compared to Hungarians in today's borders of Hungary, however it is important that western Hungarians do score it as well to varying levels. Here is a recent Csángó genetic study (they also use the crescent-star design for the flag and coat of arms like we do):

https://i.ibb.co/hFdhWvY/Csangos-Turkic-Ancestry-Investigating-the-genetic-characteristics-of-the-Csangos-a-traditionally-Hun.png (https://ibb.co/yFkGyJ4)

[Dick]

That's how the lore goes.

Interestingly enough, Székely and Csángó Hungarians score more Turkic on average compared to Hungarians in today's borders of Hungary, however it is important that western Hungarians do score it as well to varying levels. Here is a recent Csángó genetic study (they also use the crescent-star design for the flag and coat of arms like we do):

https://i.ibb.co/hFdhWvY/Csangos-Turkic-Ancestry-Investigating-the-genetic-characteristics-of-the-Csangos-a-traditionally-Hun.png (https://ibb.co/yFkGyJ4)

I know a person that has two great grandparents that are Hungarian but she scores Finnish and no central Asian, mind you the Hungarian side isnt from Romania. Any relation with Ugrics?

[Turul Karom]

I know a person that has two great grandparents that are Hungarian but she scores Finnish and no central Asian, mind you the Hungarian side isnt from Romania. Any relation with Ugrics?

Certainly. If you take a look at my results, I also score Finno-Ugric Urals. However, across all calculators, my Turkic scores are higher, and I always get Turkic grave results/reference populations. It's clear tribes of Turkic proto-Hungarians would have picked up Ugric language and genetic markers from Siberian-Uralic-Ugric tribes and blended accordingly.

For your friend, it could be how the test reads though. What company or calculator do they score Finnish in? That could make a big difference with the results. Plus, two great grandparents with no other Hungarians in the admixture might be difficult to fully express. Additionally, that is a lot of generations where more genetics could have filtered out. It is possible that, if the test is accurate for Turkic or broadly Central Asian populations, that she didn't inherit any Turkic/C. Asian genetics from her only few Hungarian great-grand ancestor(s) (assuming they had some to give) that were represented in the data-source pool for said calculator. Since a lot of results will depend on how good the source pool is for genetic references and how openly they are shared with the calculator user, I think that could play a major role as well.

[Dick]

Certainly. If you take a look at my results, I also score Finno-Ugric Urals. However, across all calculators, my Turkic scores are higher, and I always get Turkic grave results/reference populations. It's clear tribes of Turkic proto-Hungarians would have picked up Ugric language and genetic markers from Siberian-Uralic-Ugric tribes and blended accordingly.

For your friend, it could be how the test reads though. What company or calculator do they score Finnish in? That could make a big difference with the results. Plus, two great grandparents with no other Hungarians in the admixture might be difficult to fully express. Additionally, that is a lot of generations where more genetics could have filtered out. It is possible that, if the test is accurate for Turkic or broadly Central Asian populations, that she didn't inherit any Turkic/C. Asian genetics from her only few Hungarian great-grand ancestor(s) (assuming they had some to give) that were represented in the data-source pool for said calculator. Since a lot of results will depend on how good the source pool is for genetic references and how openly they are shared with the calculator user, I think that could play a major role as well.

K13 updated on vahaduo. Just checked again and she also gets a tiny bit of 0.9 Oroqen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroqen_people

[Dick]

Certainly. If you take a look at my results, I also score Finno-Ugric Urals. However, across all calculators, my Turkic scores are higher, and I always get Turkic grave results/reference populations. It's clear tribes of Turkic proto-Hungarians would have picked up Ugric language and genetic markers from Siberian-Uralic-Ugric tribes and blended accordingly.

For your friend, it could be how the test reads though. What company or calculator do they score Finnish in? That could make a big difference with the results. Plus, two great grandparents with no other Hungarians in the admixture might be difficult to fully express. Additionally, that is a lot of generations where more genetics could have filtered out. It is possible that, if the test is accurate for Turkic or broadly Central Asian populations, that she didn't inherit any Turkic/C. Asian genetics from her only few Hungarian great-grand ancestor(s) (assuming they had some to give) that were represented in the data-source pool for said calculator. Since a lot of results will depend on how good the source pool is for genetic references and how openly they are shared with the calculator user, I think that could play a major role as well.

Oops my mistake, one of her grandfathers is fully Hungarian and the other grandfather is half Hungarian so the autosmal result is like a lottery

[Turul Karom]

K13 updated on vahaduo. Just checked again and she also gets a tiny bit of 0.9 Oroqen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroqen_people

Well then, there's an interesting lead. The solution then would be to follow up with other calcs that have more Oroquen/Oroqen DNA kits and better-shared sample. There are some vahaduo calcs where I get Oroqen, too.

Common Oroqen mtDNA and genetic admixture has been found in the graves of Hungarian conquering population:

https://i.ibb.co/2ScFnwt/mt-DNA-origins-of-Hungarian-hun-and-avar-conquering-Magyar-graves-and-DNA-skin-color-eye-color-hair.png (https://ibb.co/bFN6WxB)

[Dick]

Well then, there's an interesting lead. The solution then would be to follow up with other calcs that have more Oroquen/Oroqen DNA kits and better-shared sample. There are some vahaduo calcs where I get Oroqen, too.

Common Oroqen mtDNA and genetic admixture has been found in the graves of Hungarian conquering population:

https://i.ibb.co/2ScFnwt/mt-DNA-origins-of-Hungarian-hun-and-avar-conquering-Magyar-graves-and-DNA-skin-color-eye-color-hair.png (https://ibb.co/bFN6WxB)

Wow, interesting! Thanks

[Turul Karom]

Oops my mistake, one of her grandfathers is fully Hungarian and the other grandfather is half Hungarian so the autosmal result is like a lottery

Not as far as if they were just a great grandparent, but almost as far. You're right that it's a lottery at that point, especially considering the mix of the Hungarians as it is. Instead of just Oroqen, she can also look for calcs with kits of other steppe populations in the nearby area (Kyrgyz and Uyghur would be interesting as they border China/Mongolian regions).

[Turul Karom]

Wow, interesting! Thanks

Anytime, bro.

[Turul Karom]

Pinpoint and ADC update for my Eurasia-Modern Origins and Homogenesis and Civilisations
3000 BC-1000 AD results on yourDNAportal. Very interesting results from all over Eurasia; lots of Turkic populations:

https://i.ibb.co/tB4cyfd/Screenshot-2021-11-24-at-13-27-36-your-DNAportal-com.png (https://ibb.co/nrbfh2W)
https://i.ibb.co/w0X19gV/Screenshot-2021-11-24-at-13-28-01-your-DNAportal-com.png (https://ibb.co/K0kHMhd)
https://i.ibb.co/N7W22qZ/Screenshot-2021-11-24-at-13-28-31-your-DNAportal-com.png (https://ibb.co/QXYvvVr)
https://i.ibb.co/Np19mhW/Screenshot-2021-11-24-at-17-08-52-your-DNAportal-com.png (https://ibb.co/vms3Q5L)[/QUOTE]

[Turul Karom]

https://i.ibb.co/P6QgxZd/Screenshot-2021-11-30-at-17-00-42-your-DNAportal-com.png (https://ibb.co/wzs4yNf)