The Pyrenees are not a genetic border

[Peterski]

People who live in France in many departments to the north of the Pyrenees, are genetically Spanish-like:

https://yourrootsdna.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-pyrenees-are-not-genetic-border.html

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MY0iX7Eq0cM/YTjQKhlvLpI/AAAAAAAAALY/5FMCHGTH0yMzFrulFsDl4U9D3bi6YY9FwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1920/PCA_France.png

[Voskos]

The presence, on late Romano-Aquitanian funerary slabs, of what seem to be the names of deities or people similar to certain names in modern Basque have led many philologists and linguists to conclude that Aquitanian was closely related to an older form of Basque. Julius Caesar draws a clear line between the Aquitani, living in present-day south-western France and speaking Aquitanian, and their neighboring Celts living to the north.[5] The fact that the region was known as Vasconia in the Early Middle Ages, a name that evolved into the better known form of Gascony, along with other toponymic evidence, seems to corroborate that assumption.

[TheMaestro]

Yet the people in Spain are 50x friendlier than the southern French.

[Flashball]

The Basques are not "spaniard" -like, which would mean having a close genetic profile with Spaniard including non-European contributions which are the signature of the Spaniards, and more indo-european.


Your PC is not serious, you are not geneticists and you have never read a single study on the subject.

The Basques are Basques, they have their a genetic profile, they are relics of the Iron Age. High WHG (not EHG, like in Estonian) + Barcin (not tepecik) + 25% of indo-european (average), that's all.

In France, we talk about Basque-like population when the genetic profile is similar, not of "Spaniard-like", because that would mean North African, Sub-Saharan, Sephardic, etc. contribution.


Your map has been dismantled by the recent genetic study on France which shows that the area you indicate as "iberian-like" is not iberian-like, but Basque-like and does not concern the whole area.

Certain areas of the Southwest are less Basque-like and draw more towards central France and are genetically closer to the central French than to the "iberians" (Spaniards, because the Iberians were closer to the Basques).

This is a ridiculous amateur topic, let the professionals do their job.


https://media.springernature.com/m685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41431-020-0584-1/MediaObjects/41431_2020_584_Fig1_HTML.png

[Arūnas]

Yet the people in Spain are 50x friendlier than the southern French.

with (CV) exceptions

[Faklon]

There are no Pyrenees in the Catalonian coast to begin with.

[Peterski]

The Basques are not "spaniard" -like, which would mean having a close genetic profile with Spaniard including non-European contributions which are the signature of the Spaniards, and more indo-european.


Your PC is not serious, you are not geneticists and you have never read a single study on the subject.

The Basques are Basques, they have their a genetic profile, they are relics of the Iron Age. High WHG (not EHG, like in Estonian) + Barcin (not tepecik) + 25% of indo-european (average), that's all.

In France, we talk about Basque-like population when the genetic profile is similar, not of "Spaniard-like", because that would mean North African, Sub-Saharan, Sephardic, etc. contribution.


Your map has been dismantled by the recent genetic study on France which shows that the area you indicate as "iberian-like" is not iberian-like, but Basque-like and does not concern the whole area.

Certain areas of the Southwest are less Basque-like and draw more towards central France and are genetically closer to the central French than to the "iberians" (Spaniards, because the Iberians were closer to the Basques).

This is a ridiculous amateur topic, let the professionals do their job.


https://media.springernature.com/m685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41431-020-0584-1/MediaObjects/41431_2020_584_Fig1_HTML.png

You seem to be very prejudiced against Spain.

The Basques are basically Iron Age Spanish, and many Non-Basque groups in modern Spain are very similar to them (for example La Rioja, Soria, Burgos, Cantabria, non-Basque part of Navarra, etc.).

Aragonese from Huesca are also very similar to French people from Midi-Pyrenees.

Etc., etc. We are not talking just about the Basques.

I'm a professional too as I've been working for a DNA testing company since 2017 and distinguishing South French customers from North Spanish is always a bit tricky.

On this forum there is also a French user who scores like a Spaniard. His username is Rokhan.

The study you mentioned is problematic because they did not select people with 4 grandparents from one region, but just chose their participants based only on the place of residence. That said, I am also using samples from this study among my reference samples (after some selection - removal of outliers).

[Peterski]

There are no Pyrenees in the Catalonian coast to begin with.

Yes but people from the Province of Huesca are also similar to these from the French Departments of Pyrenees-Atlantiques and Hautes-Pyrenees, across the mountains.

[vbnetkhio]

The Basques are Basques, they have their a genetic profile, they are relics of the Iron Age. High WHG (not EHG, like in Estonian) + Barcin (not tepecik) + 25% of indo-european (average), that's all.


Estonians don't have significant EHG, and tepecik is not some important ancestry source.

[Peterski]

The study which Flashball mentioned did not compare French populations to their neighbours. Only within-France comparisons were made.

So obviously this study does not debunk that the Pyrenees are not a genetic border, because they did not even research this subject...

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If I remember correctly this study found out that the Loire River is a bit of a genetic border (but not a super strong one).

[Faklon]

Yes but people from the Province of Huesca are also similar to these from the French Departments of Pyrenees-Atlantiques and Hautes-Pyrenees, across the mountains.

Eh, the point is that people can easily cross the mountain.

Aren't Basques (who are somehwhat of an isolate) located inbetween mountains?

[alnortedelsur]

Agree. Gibraltar is the thick genetic border, not the Pyrenees.

[alnortedelsur]

You seem to be very prejudiced against Spain.

The Basques are basically Iron Age Spanish, and many Non-Basque groups in modern Spain are very similar to them (for example La Rioja, Soria, Burgos, Cantabria, non-Basque part of Navarra, etc.).

Aragonese from Huesca are also very similar to French people from Midi-Pyrenees.

Etc., etc. We are not talking just about the Basques.

I'm a professional too as I've been working for a DNA testing company since 2017 and distinguishing South French customers from North Spanish is always a bit tricky.

On this forum there is also a French user who scores like a Spaniard. His username is Rokhan.

The study you mentioned is problematic because they did not select people with 4 grandparents from one region, but just chose their participants based only on the place of residence. That said, I am also using samples from this study among my reference samples (after some selection - removal of outliers).

It is a pity that they removed the Thumb down function, because I would have given that to that French idiot above.

[J. Ketch]

Kind of a pernickety point, that ignores the bigger picture.

[alnortedelsur]

Also, what distinguish non-Basque Spaniards from Basques is not only their non-European contribution (which is MINIMAL, not important as the Frenchie moron of Flashball implies), but also that they have MORE Indo-European contribution than Basques as well, who are more "plain Iberian" than the rest of Spaniards.

Even if the Basque cluster is a bit separated from the Spanish/Portuguese cluster, their cluster is still pretty close to the non-Basque Iberian cluster, no "worlds appart" from the rest of Iberians, like the Frenchie moron claims.

[Cristiano viejo]

The Basques are not "spaniard" -like, which would mean having a close genetic profile with Spaniard including non-European contributions which are the signature of the Spaniards, and more indo-european.


The Basques are Basques, they have their a genetic profile,

As Andalusians and others do. Are Andalusians non Spanish?


In France, we talk about Basque-like population when the genetic profile is similar, not of "Spaniard-like", because that would mean North African, Sub-Saharan, Sephardic, etc. contribution.
North African, Sub Saharan, Sephardi... are you describing France and French? some are even your own threads :lol:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?343740-French-results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340306-Two-french-results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273483-North-French-GEDmatch-Results

[Tongio]

Pyrenes mean very little genetically,they were raised from the bedrock by ancient gallic mytical giants to protect the gauls from their violent and easily irritable southern neighbors.
it is all true I can assure you that.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

I expected that since iberians and southern french are genetically very close.

[Peterski]

Aveyron Department is already rather "Central French" genetically.

But I'm not sure about Tarn - maybe this one is also Iberian-like.

[Oliver109]

Northern Spain has similar phenotypes in general to the French, Baskids, Alpines etc but there is still a distinctly Med component that is pretty much absent from the south of France which tends more towards paleness, the nations are distinct.

[Cristiano viejo]

Northern Spain has similar phenotypes in general to the French, Baskids, Alpines etc but there is still a distinctly Med component that is pretty much absent from the south of France which tends more towards paleness, the nations are distinct.
You wish.
To start separating Northern and Southern Spaniards, when we all look the same and are indistinguishable.

Southern French are as swarthy as us, live with it, mongrel.

[Oliver109]

You wish.
To start separating Northern and Southern Spaniards, when we all look the same and are indistinguishable.

Southern French are as swarthy as us, live with it, mongrel.

Ahahaha, North Spanish have less Berid and Gracile Med elements, they are slightly different to southern Spanish but not much, the French are one and the same people from Calais to Bayonne.

[Gallop]

The results of the French from the south in Barcin-Yamm tend to be more similar to those of the Spanish, marching more Barcin, even obtaining Taforalt. Further north in France Barcin-Yamm are equal and Taforal disappears. Then further up Yamm gets much more. Models, different combinations of the same thing.

Although I have my reservations with Taforalt as in Gedmatch I got no match in the comparisons and G25 seems to have boxed it in for us somehow.

[Cristiano viejo]

Ahahaha, North Spanish have less Berid and Gracile Med elements, they are slightly different to southern Spanish but not much, the French are one and the same people from Calais to Bayonne.

hahahaha, probably a fuckin pseudo British mulato like you know about Spaniards better than me ;)

[Gallop]

Ahahaha, North Spanish have less Berid and Gracile Med elements, they are slightly different to southern Spanish but not much, the French are one and the same people from Calais to Bayonne.

Well, in Barcelona and Madrid, where all Spaniards are from north to south, you would not be able to tell them apart.

[Oliver109]

Well, in Barcelona and Madrid, where all Spaniards are from north to south, you would not be able to tell them apart.

Well no because they generally have mixed heritage in those cities, i reckon i could guess though which ones have heritage from the south or north though, i remember a thread on here of Spanish councillors and generally the most British or northern looking ones came from central and northern parts of the country, darkest areas of Spain seemed to be the west and south east, Andalucians are actually often lighter for some reason.

[Albertón]

Interesting.

[Faklon]

Ahahaha, North Spanish have less Berid and Gracile Med elements, they are slightly different to southern Spanish but not much, the French are one and the same people from Calais to Bayonne.

This is so absurd I can't even

[Jana]

Ahahaha, North Spanish have less Berid and Gracile Med elements, they are slightly different to southern Spanish but not much, the French are one and the same people from Calais to Bayonne.

Spanish are much more homogenous than French are. Most of your observations about phenotypes and genetics are very off and incorrect.

[Damião de Góis]

There are no Pyrenees in the Catalonian coast to begin with.

There isn't any in the Bay of Biscay either:

https://www.freeworldmaps.net/europe/iberian-peninsula/iberianpeninsula.jpg

Huesca and Lleida should be the most different border people if the Pyrenees are a genetic barrier, because those regions border the tallest mountains.

Basque_Spanish is very close to Basque_French but Lleida is a lot closer to French_Auvergne:


Distance to: Spanish_Lleida
0.00843508 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.00981113 Spanish_Girona
0.01018952 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.01127690 Spanish_Penedes
0.01137350 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01150654 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01167998 Spanish_Valencia
0.01171984 Spanish_Castello
0.01227662 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01248639 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01267186 Spanish_Aragon
0.01298264 Spanish_Barcelones
0.01310190 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01410437 Spanish_Mallorca
0.01497043 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01503613 Spanish_Baleares
0.01549799 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01667130 Spanish_Alacant
0.01824085 Spanish_Menorca
0.01947823 French_Auvergne
0.01959802 Spanish_Navarra
0.02019516 Spanish_Galicia
0.02098831 French_South
0.02125046 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02152286 Spanish_Murcia


Distance to: Basque_Spanish
0.01588222 Basque_French
0.01864462 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.02084235 French_South
0.02872673 Spanish_Navarra
0.03095029 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03283012 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03283703 Spanish_Aragon
0.03297632 Spanish_Castello
0.03501473 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03535362 Spanish_Lleida
0.03615444 Spanish_Valencia
0.03629468 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03629701 Spanish_Soria
0.03654951 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03722219 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.03766019 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03800126 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03852581 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03927855 Spanish_Penedes
0.03954682 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03982504 Spanish_Girona
0.04031157 French_Occitanie
0.04172267 Spanish_Alacant
0.04201906 French_Auvergne
0.04341825 Spanish_Asturias




(French_South should be very Basque influenced).

So it's a bit strange. This would be a good topic for gixajo because he is from the Basque Country, i'm sure he knows more than me about this subject.

[Oliver109]

Spanish are much more homogenous than French are. Most of your observations about phenotypes and genetics are very off and incorrect.

I posted Spanish from Gijon in Asturias (see this thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?351343-Classify-people-from-Gijon-Asturias-Spain) they look more lighter than the Spanish in my Cadiz thread(https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?349100-Classify-real-Spanish-people-from-Cadiz/page2) in France there isn't as much variation really in pigmentation, even the Norman French often have similar phenotypes to those from the south of the country.

[Oliver109]

Spanish are much more homogenous than French are. Most of your observations about phenotypes and genetics are very off and incorrect.

I posted Spanish from Gijon in Asturias (see this thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?351343-Classify-people-from-Gijon-Asturias-Spain) they look more lighter than the Spanish in my Cadiz thread(https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?349100-Classify-real-Spanish-people-from-Cadiz/page2) in France there isn't as much variation really in pigmentation, even the Norman French often have similar phenotypes to those from the south of the country.

[Jana]

I posted Spanish from Gijon in Asturias (see this thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?351343-Classify-people-from-Gijon-Asturias-Spain) they look more lighter than the Spanish in my Cadiz thread(https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?349100-Classify-real-Spanish-people-from-Cadiz/page2) in France there isn't as much variation really in pigmentation, even the Norman French often have similar phenotypes to those from the south of the country.

Your observations are one thing, yet actual pigmentation studies as well as DNA studies show much larger differences between north and south French than between north and south Spaniards.
Random photos from wherever are often totally unrepresentative (or depend on external factors like climate) and don't mean much.

Actual measurments based on thousands of people look like this:
https://i.postimg.cc/HWhM0SVs/France-Departements-Percentage-Light-Eyes.jpg

[Oliver109]

Your observations are one thing, yet actual pigmentation studies as well as DNA studies show much larger differences between north and south French than between north and south Spaniards.
Random photos from wherever are often totally unrepresentative (or depend on external factors like climate) and don't mean much.

Genetic differences between north and south France are big but when it comes to skin pigmentation especially i think that differences are very slight across the country, photos still do show the key aspects like skin tone etc and unfortunately i cannot get access to official data regarding skin tones so one has to judge by photos or visited experience.

[Jana]

Genetic differences between north and south France are big but when it comes to skin pigmentation especially i think that differences are very slight across the country, photos still do show the key aspects like skin tone etc and unfortunately i cannot get access to official data regarding skin tones so one has to judge by photos or visited experience.

Iberians (except in Galicia and around there) are very tanned in general, it's one of sunniest region in Europe. So I don't get what can you conclude about their natural unexposed skin tone from everyday photos.
Same applies to ethnic French from Med coast.

[Faklon]

Genetic differences between north and south France are big but when it comes to skin pigmentation especially i think that differences are very slight across the country, photos still do show the key aspects like skin tone etc and unfortunately i cannot get access to official data regarding skin tones so one has to judge by photos or visited experience.

Stop the drugs mate.

Even French themselves say they are not homogeneous, even more in cultural diversity than anthrotardism.

[Oliver109]

Iberians (except in Galicia and around there) are very tanned in general, it's one of sunniest region in Europe. So I don't get what can you conclude about their natural unexposed skin tone from everyday photos.
Same applies to ethnic French from Med coast.

With Med French one faces the dilemma where huge amounts of them have Italian or Spanish background, it is one reason why i seldom post threads from the south of France as there just isn't much in the way of pure French there, i think that distorts things a bit as it will make it look like they are darker when they are the descendents of immigrants. With eye pigmentation i don't think that shows that people are in a sense darker, it is like in the UK where the Welsh have darker eyes but as a whole they look more like the Scots than the French imo. eye pigmentation does not mean much, people with dark eyes can give off very northern vibes.

[Gallop]

Well no because they generally have mixed heritage in those cities, i reckon i could guess though which ones have heritage from the south or north though, i remember a thread on here of Spanish councillors and generally the most British or northern looking ones came from central and northern parts of the country, darkest areas of Spain seemed to be the west and south east, Andalucians are actually often lighter for some reason.

The chance of falling in love. Not all those from the rest of Spain in Barcelona or Madrid have mixed with each other, there are cases of second or third generation born in Barcelona with all their ancestors still fully Andalusian.

[Oliver109]

The chance of falling in love. Not all those from the rest of Spain in Barcelona or Madrid have mixed with each other, there are cases of second or third generation born in Barcelona with all their ancestors still fully Andalusian.

Interesting, i suppose that there are huge numbers of Andalusians in Catalonia, possibly one of the reasons why the appetite for a referendum there on independence remains very divided, in Madrid i did notice very diverse looks in general with some Spanish looking people being quite dark but still recognisably Spanish e.g Berids or gracile meds.

[Gallop]

Interesting, i suppose that there are huge numbers of Andalusians in Catalonia, possibly one of the reasons why the appetite for a referendum there on independence remains very divided, in Madrid i did notice very diverse looks in general with some Spanish looking people being quite dark but still recognisably Spanish e.g Berids or gracile meds.

It has nothing to do with many of them; although of Andalusian origin they are pro-independence. It must be more because of who they were going to ask for money or what pot they were going to suckle from?


Little Oliver anyway; quite dark Spaniards... here we don't have any Indian or Pakistani type children born to us, that's dark for us. In any case, there are shades that unless you are very handsome at a certain age are repellent, so less boastful of pallor.

[Oliver109]

It has nothing to do with many of them; although of Andalusian origin they are pro-independence. It must be more because of who they were going to ask for money or what pot they were going to suckle from?


Little Oliver anyway; quite dark Spaniards... here we don't have any Indian or Pakistani type children born to us, that's dark for us. In any case, there are shades that unless you are very handsome at a certain age are repellent, so less boastful of pallor.

Well i hope things work out for Catalonia eventually, have not heard much news lately about the independence movement probably because of covid, i personally think that they probably belong more in Spain anyway but back to my point i think that darker Spaniards don't look at all like Pakistanis who have very much indid influence and totally black hair and eyes, darker spanish have a more attractive orange shade to their skin while Pakistanis more of a greyish brown. Also their hair is more dark brown generally and the solid black tones are seldom seen.

[Cristiano viejo]

Well no because they generally have mixed heritage in those cities, i reckon i could guess though which ones have heritage from the south or north though, i remember a thread on here of Spanish councillors and generally the most British or northern looking ones came from central and northern parts of the country, darkest areas of Spain seemed to be the west and south east, Andalucians are actually often lighter for some reason.
And I remember this thread were you showed be the most incompetent of all the Apricity "experts" :laugh:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341487-Experts-of-TA-I-claim-you-Guess-the-regional-origin-of-these-three-Spaniards

You know NOTHING about Spain, mongrel motherfucker :thumb001:

[Centurion]

These maps from AncestryDNA are interesting. It shows that the Pyrenees and the Alps are quite impervious genetic borders. French overlap more genetically with the English, or even with the Germans, than with Spaniards and Italians as France is only separated from England by a detroit, and from Germany by a river, which is far less impervious than mountain ranges.

https://i.ibb.co/LS3nRc9/Spain.png (https://ibb.co/kKtQBwq)
https://i.ibb.co/8zZj7qP/Italie-Nord.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/t2MXkcR/England.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/HxSNV5N/Europe-Germanique.png (https://imgbb.com/)

This is confirmed by this map about skin pigmentation. We can see that only the Southernmost border of France is as dark on average as the Northern Spaniards. Outside of that, French are homogenous in skin pigmentation, and even more homogenous than Spaniards, since in Spain the North/South division in term of skin pigmentation is more flagrant. In fact, the Pyrenees are much more a significant border than the Mediterranean sea. Since the average Spaniards is a brown wog, similar with the average coastal Maghrebi in term of skin pigmentation, not similar with the average French or even Southern French.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Skin_color.png

Despite this, we can see that French and Catalans overlap quite significantly though. As a result of this influx of French blood, Catalans are lighter than the Spaniards, and also, more prosperous, more educated and less often unemployed than the national average of Spain. No wonder so many Catalans is Spain want their independance and to get rid of the Spaniards dead weight. We can see a similar phenomenon in the opposition between North Italians and South Italians.

https://i.ibb.co/bgy6mdM/France.png (https://imgbb.com/)



Yet the people in Spain are 50x friendlier than the southern French.


Southern French find it harder than Spaniards to be friendly with idiots, that's why you have that impression.

[Peterski]

French overlap more genetically with the English, or even with the Germans, than with Spaniards and Italians.

Not really, it depends on a region of France. Only some North-West French overlap with the British Isles, and some North-East with the Germans.

Alsace for example overlaps with Swiss Germans but it is obvious because they are descended from German-speakers.

There is also a very big Central French cluster that does not overlap with any of the neighbours. This "Central French" covers mostly these areas:

Ile de France
Centre Val de Loire
Burgundy
Franche Comte
Champagne
Poitou Charentes
Limousin
Northern Midi Pyrenees
Southern Picardy
Auvergne
Rhone Alpes
Dordogne
Vendee
Romandy

[Centurion]

Not really, it depends on a region of France. Only some North-West French overlap with the British Isles, and some North-East with the Germans.


That's still more than the overlap between French and Spaniards wich is insignificant.

[J. Ketch]

Southern French find it harder than Spaniards to be friendly with idiots, that's why you have that impression.
One of the friendliest/nicest people I've ever known was a Southern French girl teaching out here, such a delightful personality that I'm not sure you would find in many other places. She was very dark though, like a Med.

[Peterski]

That's still more than the overlap between French and Spaniards wich is insignificant.

It is not insignificant between French and Spaniards.

And as for the overlap between Germans and NE French - it applies only to Southern Germans.

[Centurion]

It is not insignificant between French and Spaniards.

And as for the overlap between Germany s and NE French - it applies only to Southern Germans.

And overlap between French and Spaniards applies only to the French of the South West border. And only with Northern Spaniards. It's not clearly more significant than the overlap between French and Germans and clearly less than between French and English.

[TheMaestro]

Southern French find it harder than Spaniards to be friendly with idiots, that's why you have that impression.

Yes, that's why you had to move out from France, they don't want to deal with idiots, te faszcopo.

[J.S.]

Who cares...

[Faklon]

The Northern migrations towards the Alps for them to be a genetic border are well documented, the Rhine was also considered a notorious border between German tribes and Roman Gaul.

Crossing of the Rhine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_of_the_Rhine)

Generally, water will be harder to cross than mountains. That some mountain range has a peak of 3k+ meters doesn't mean that they are not passages across it, it's not a wall.

Early modern/modern France consists of Corsicans/Italics, Bretons, Alsatians, Catalans. There is no comparinson with Iberian diversity.

[Gallop]

Well i hope things work out for Catalonia eventually, have not heard much news lately about the independence movement probably because of covid, i personally think that they probably belong more in Spain anyway but back to my point i think that darker Spaniards don't look at all like Pakistanis who have very much indid influence and totally black hair and eyes, darker spanish have a more attractive orange shade to their skin while Pakistanis more of a greyish brown. Also their hair is more dark brown generally and the solid black tones are seldom seen.

You will see things your way, but evidently you don't know much about Spain, I don't know anything about your country either, that's why I don't talk about it.

You said you were from an English father and Armenian mother I think I remember, I don't understand this obsession with Spain?

Anyway, no matter how much effort you make with Spain you won't be able to, for God's sake, a little boy who doesn't even get a breath of fresh air in a forum obsessed with Spain or trying to prove I don't know what about Spain in the end.

Go out a little, think what you can do for your country, how you can help your own country and well, if you like Spain it is a fantastic publicity, we are always on top, nobody talks about other countries, but Spain is always on top,

I have to thank you? Spain doesn't need you, I'd rather you got some air.

[Peterski]

Who cares...

Well actually must be a lot of people who care because this thread is so long already. :)

No such activity in my other thread about the (non-) existence of Central Germans.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Well actually must be a lot of people who care because this thread is so long already. :)

No such activity in my other thread about the (non-) existence of Central Germans.

Hahaha

[Gallop]

I have changed my mind after my Livingdna results. There was talk about whether by land, whether by sea, but it was definitely by air. So yes, the Pyrenees was an insurmountable barrier that was never crossed in ancient times in any direction we must look to the heavens.

[Ruggery]

The genetic barrier is not in the Pyrenees it is much further north in the Netherlands and in the east with Austria.

[Cristiano viejo]

No idea about the past bur currently Pyrenees do are a HOLY genetic border :)

https://s.france24.com/media/display/fcb5a636-f987-11e8-a823-005056a964fe/w:1280/p:16x9/18072018_france_team_photo.webp

https://atalayar.com/sites/default/files/opinion/Literal-Argelia-Triunfo-Grupos-Mundial_MILIMA20140626_0439_30%20%281%29.jpg

http://newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/201214france2.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7M94dOML0w

[Tooting Carmen]

That's still more than the overlap between French and Spaniards wich is insignificant.

French people look no more like Brits or Germans than they do Spaniards or Italians, et c'est la verite monsieur. :thumb001:

N.B. Didn't you yourself admit that French people are actually more similar to Greeks than to Swedes in my thread? (Keeping in mind Greeks are even more distant from the French, both in geography and phenotype, than Spaniards are).

[Centurion]

French people look no more like Brits or Germans than they do Spaniards or Italians, et c'est la verite monsieur. :thumb001:

N.B. Didn't you yourself admit that French people are actually more similar to Greeks than to Swedes in my thread? (Keeping in mind Greeks are even more distant from the French, both in geography and phenotype, than Spaniards are).

I'm talking about genetical overlap, not phenotypical overlap. And French are closer in skin colors to Brits, Germans and even Swedes than to Spaniards and Greeks, who have the same skin color than coastal North Africans, Anatolians and Levantine.

[alnortedelsur]

I'm talking about genetical overlap, not phenotypical overlap. And French are closer in skin colors to Brits, Germans and even Swedes than to Spaniards and Greeks, who have the same skin color than coastal North Africans, Anatolians and Levantine.

Cool story! :cool:

MILLIONS of ethnic Spaniards are lighter than MILLIONS of ethnic French, including yourself. Deal with it :thumb001:

[Tooting Carmen]

I'm talking about genetical overlap, not phenotypical overlap. And French are closer in skin colors to Brits, Germans and even Swedes than to Spaniards and Greeks, who have the same skin color than coastal North Africans, Anatolians and Levantine.

In skin colour, maybe. However, in hair and eye colour I'd say the French are more 'intermediate'. As a matter of fact, I follow rugby a lot, and while I know French rugby is disproportionately concentrated in the southwest of the country, all the same the referees are usually quite Southern-looking too: Pascal Gauzere, Romain Poite, Mathieu Raynal... And even in terms of French politicians, your ex-President Francois Hollande is quite Southern-looking, in spite of being from Normandy, and of course you have actors like Jean Dujardin and Audrey Tautot. Stop pretending that the French are quasi-Scandinavian.

[Centurion]

Stop pretending that the French are quasi-Scandinavian.

I've never pretended that. I just say that there's no significant genetic overlap between French and Iberians. And that the Pyrenees and the Alps are more a genetic border than the Channel detroit, or even the Rhine.

Lot of people among French can pass in Scandinavia though, very much more than among Spaniards. Despite the Spaniards spread their "compilation of Spanish blondes" to try to convince themselves or to convince us of the contrary. Or to try to forget or make us forget their brown wog populace. While at the same time, very much more people among Spaniards can pass as MENA and South Asian than among French.

[alnortedelsur]

I've never pretended that. I just say that there's no significant genetic overlap between French and Iberians. And that the Pyrenees and the Alps are more a genetic border than the Channel detroit, or even the Rhine.

Lot of people among French can pass in Scandinavia though, very much more than among Spaniards. Despite the Spaniards spread their "compilation of Spanish blondes" to try to convince themselves or to convince us of the contrary. Or to try to forget or make us forget their brown wog populace. While at the same time, very much more people among Spaniards can pass as MENA and South Asian than among French.

https://i.gifer.com/G2zM.gif

https://i2.wp.com/media3.giphy.com/media/L8XuphFGqlSfe/giphy.gif

Laughs aside, MILLIONS of ethnic Spaniards are lighter than you. Don't forget it :thumb001:

[alnortedelsur]

A HUGE majority of Spaniards would have no trouble on passing as ethnic Fench of some sort, going from lighter French types to darker French types as Centurion himself :thumb001:

The Frenchie moron living in Hungary talking out of his ass, as usual.

Fucking ignorant gabacho de los cojones!

[Gallop]

I've never pretended that. I just say that there's no significant genetic overlap between French and Iberians. And that the Pyrenees and the Alps are more a genetic border than the Channel detroit, or even the Rhine.

Lot of people among French can pass in Scandinavia though, very much more than among Spaniards. Despite the Spaniards spread their "compilation of Spanish blondes" to try to convince themselves or to convince us of the contrary. Or to try to forget or make us forget their brown wog populace. While at the same time, very much more people among Spaniards can pass as MENA and South Asian than among French.

We Spaniards didn't make our compilation of Spanish blondes for any of what you say and even less to convince you, we didn't even think about you.

However you do try to create a fictitious scenario in Europe that the ladies and gentlemen of the United States of America can recognize in order to convince them that in Europe Spain is like Mexico or the Mexicans for the Americans.

Keep on dreaming especially kiss where the Spaniards step.


And remember that in Rome you were a filthy rat fed with their leftovers by the centurions.

[Leto]

A HUGE majority of Spaniards would have no trouble on passing as ethnic Fench of some sort, going from lighter French types to darker French types as Centurion himself :thumb001:

The Frenchie moron living in Hungary talking out of his ass, as usual.

Fucking ignorant gabacho de los cojones!
I'm not supporting any kind of ethnic trolling here but his oracles show him as a very Northern person

Distance to: Centurion(French)
4.79593578 French_Northwest
4.98617088 Belgian
5.04902961 Flemish
5.64206522 Dutch_South
5.95393987 French_Northeast
6.14572209 English_Southeast
6.39259728 Cornish
6.40097649 English_Southwest
6.45888535 English_Midlands
6.59707511 English
7.05559353 Afrikaner
7.22459687 Pennsylvania_Dutch
7.26894078 German_West
7.47818828 Welsh
7.57009247 English_North
7.79268888 French_Central
8.04674468 German_South
8.21735359 Scottish_East
8.22939852 Scottish_North_Highlands
8.36088512 Dutch

Target: Centurion(French)
Distance: 1.8755% / 1.87553157
40.9 Cornish
24.5 Spanish_Valencia
21.3 Irish_Munster
7.9 Dutch_North
5.4 Swiss_Italian

[Cristiano viejo]

French people look no more like Brits or Germans than they do Spaniards or Italians, et c'est la verite monsieur. :thumb001:


lulzzz, French people look nothing like British or Germans.
Even this immigrant wog admited in other thread French look more like Greeks than like British ;)

[Tooting Carmen]

lulzzz, French people look nothing like British or Germans.
Even this immigrant wog admited in other thread French look more like Greeks than like British ;)

More like Greeks than Swedes in fact.

[Centurion]

I'm not supporting any kind of ethnic trolling here but his oracles show him as a very Northern person

Distance to: Centurion(French)
4.79593578 French_Northwest
4.98617088 Belgian
5.04902961 Flemish
5.64206522 Dutch_South
5.95393987 French_Northeast
6.14572209 English_Southeast
6.39259728 Cornish
6.40097649 English_Southwest
6.45888535 English_Midlands
6.59707511 English
7.05559353 Afrikaner
7.22459687 Pennsylvania_Dutch
7.26894078 German_West
7.47818828 Welsh
7.57009247 English_North
7.79268888 French_Central
8.04674468 German_South
8.21735359 Scottish_East
8.22939852 Scottish_North_Highlands
8.36088512 Dutch

Target: Centurion(French)
Distance: 1.8755% / 1.87553157
40.9 Cornish
24.5 Spanish_Valencia
21.3 Irish_Munster
7.9 Dutch_North
5.4 Swiss_Italian

True true. But that truth is very painful for them. Like is painful for them that map showing than Iberians are closer in skin color with Maghrebis than with French, which mean that the HUGE majority of Iberians can't pass as French. Even a darker than average French is still largely lighter than the average Iberian.

You just have to read a little about the history of these numerous Iberians who immigrated in France to understand how much dark and foreign they often looked from the point of view of French.

French can look like the light skinned Iberians or Greeks, but only a minority of Iberian or Greeks are light enough to have a significant proportion of French who look like them. Most French don't look like the brown populace of Greece and of the IP which form the majority of the population of these shitholes.

[Tooting Carmen]

True true. But that truth is very painful for them. Like is painful for them that map showing than Iberians are closer in skin color with Maghrebis than with French, which mean that the HUGE majority of Iberians can't pass as French. Even a darker than average French is still largely lighter than the average Iberian.

You just have to read a little about the history of these numerous Iberians who immigrated to France to understand how much dark and foreign they often looked from the point of view of French.

What about Greeks and Italians?

[Centurion]

What about Greeks and Italians?

What I say for Iberians also apply mostly for Greeks and South Italians, North Italians are a bit a different case.

[Leto]

True true. But that truth is very painful for them. Like is painful for them that map showing than Iberians are closer in skin color with Maghrebis than with French, which mean that the HUGE majority of Iberians can't pass as French. Even a darker than average French is still largely lighter than the average Iberian.

You just have to read a little about the history of these numerous Iberians who immigrated in France to understand how much dark and foreign they often looked from the point of view of French.

French can look like the light skinned Iberians or Greeks, but only a minority of Iberian or Greeks are light enough to have a significant proportion of French who look like them. Most French don't look like the brown populace of Greece and of the IP which form the majority of the population of these shitholes.
I don't think those countries are brown, nor are they shitholes. Isn't France full of Spaniards and Italians that are Gallicizied and assimilated?

[alnortedelsur]

I'm not supporting any kind of ethnic trolling here but his oracles show him as a very Northern person

Distance to: Centurion(French)
4.79593578 French_Northwest
4.98617088 Belgian
5.04902961 Flemish
5.64206522 Dutch_South
5.95393987 French_Northeast
6.14572209 English_Southeast
6.39259728 Cornish
6.40097649 English_Southwest
6.45888535 English_Midlands
6.59707511 English
7.05559353 Afrikaner
7.22459687 Pennsylvania_Dutch
7.26894078 German_West
7.47818828 Welsh
7.57009247 English_North
7.79268888 French_Central
8.04674468 German_South
8.21735359 Scottish_East
8.22939852 Scottish_North_Highlands
8.36088512 Dutch

Target: Centurion(French)
Distance: 1.8755% / 1.87553157
40.9 Cornish
24.5 Spanish_Valencia
21.3 Irish_Munster
7.9 Dutch_North
5.4 Swiss_Italian

I don't care how northern shifted he is genetically. He is a clown who is full of shit.

[Leto]

There are no brown nations in Europe, only the Roma but they're not considered ethnic European. Even the European Jews (not ethnically European either) are not brown at all.

[Tooting Carmen]

What I say for Iberians also apply mostly for Greeks and South Italians, North Italians are a bit a different case.

OK. Btw, I can definitely think of some ethnic French (descendants) who wouldn't really pass as British: Celine Dion, Segolene Royal, Mazarine Pingeot, Valerie Pecresse, Yves Cochet, Francois Hollande, Jean Dujardin, Clement Grenier, Clement Poitrenaud...

[alnortedelsur]

True true. But that truth is very painful for them. Like is painful for them that map showing than Iberians are closer in skin color with Maghrebis than with French, which mean that the HUGE majority of Iberians can't pass as French. Even a darker than average French is still largely lighter than the average Iberian.

You just have to read a little about the history of these numerous Iberians who immigrated in France to understand how much dark and foreign they often looked from the point of view of French.

French can look like the light skinned Iberians or Greeks, but only a minority of Iberian or Greeks are light enough to have a significant proportion of French who look like them. Most French don't look like the brown populace of Greece and of the IP which form the majority of the population of these shitholes.

A bull shit, non-serious unscientific map. CLOWN!

Regarding the other big stupidities coming out of your ass, only the most ignorant would believe them.

[Damião de Góis]

I'm not supporting any kind of ethnic trolling here but his oracles show him as a very Northern person

Distance to: Centurion(French)
4.79593578 French_Northwest
4.98617088 Belgian
5.04902961 Flemish
5.64206522 Dutch_South
5.95393987 French_Northeast
6.14572209 English_Southeast
6.39259728 Cornish
6.40097649 English_Southwest
6.45888535 English_Midlands
6.59707511 English
7.05559353 Afrikaner
7.22459687 Pennsylvania_Dutch
7.26894078 German_West
7.47818828 Welsh
7.57009247 English_North
7.79268888 French_Central
8.04674468 German_South
8.21735359 Scottish_East
8.22939852 Scottish_North_Highlands
8.36088512 Dutch

Target: Centurion(French)
Distance: 1.8755% / 1.87553157
40.9 Cornish
24.5 Spanish_Valencia
21.3 Irish_Munster
7.9 Dutch_North
5.4 Swiss_Italian

That just proves ethnic northern french can be short and swarthy like it's his case. In fact the first recorded pedophile and serial killer in history was a northwestern frenchman called Gilles de Rais who lived in the 1400s. French artists depict him like this:

https://i.imgur.com/Ft44AeP.png

I bet he would score the same results and would cluster with northwest french, where he was from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais

His phenotype classification would probably also be very similar to Centurion's.

[Centurion]

I don't think those countries are brown, nor are they shitholes. Isn't France full of Spaniards and Italians that are Gallicizied and assimilated?

And why do you think all these Italians and Iberians came in France? Because their home country were shitholes and they knew that France was largely more developed and prosperous. Why do you think so many of the descendants of these Iberians and Italians stay in France and don't go back to Portugal, Spain and Italy? Because they know that France is largely better than these Club Med countries, even today.

Here are some noble specimens of them. And NO, they don't look like ethnic French, but like brown wog, Algerians or even Punjabi.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/pictures/qbJaZxBlDuoLE8DFDPorxS_OxsY/750x750/2021/06/08/phpHHMOFi.pnghttps://static.cnews.fr/sites/default/files/papacito_va_youtube_60c0bca4b3a00.jpghttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/85l34ent8b885hgjmiaj7lfb3._SX450_.jpghttps://www.tipeeestream.com/cdn-cgi/image/onerror=redirect,width=1200,height=630/https://api.tipeee.com/cache/20210127032058/media/1956105/202101276010ce0a83348.jpeg

Just look at the Spanish football team. Most of the players don't pass as French at all, and look more Arab than French.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jp0slz3X9UP64MlFdwLCigorhSg=/0x0:4273x3010/1200x800/filters:focal(1796x1164:2478x1846)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/61384039/1031700340.jpg.0.jpg



There are no brown nations in Europe, only the Roma but they're not considered ethnic European. Even the European Jews (not ethnically European either) are not brown at all.

Hem, a lot of the "European" Jews are brown, even among the Ashkenazis.



OK. Btw, I can definitely think of some ethnic French (descendants) who wouldn't really pass as British: Celine Dion, Segolene Royal, Mazarine Pingeot, Valerie Pecresse, Yves Cochet, Francois Hollande, Jean Dujardin, Clement Grenier, Clement Poitrenaud...

These people are just exemples among others. The majority of North Eastern French pass better as British of German than as Spaniards or Italians. But the North East of France is quite a crossbroad, so the French of these regions often don't look specifically Brits or German but have their own Northwestern European look. I think De Gaulle was a good example of that.

Even among my own grandparents, my 2 grandfathers pass as Brits, my maternal grandmother could have pass as Brit or German. Only my paternal grandmother could pass as Iberian, but she's less dark than the average Iberian.

That group of Northern French would pass anywhere in Northwestern Europe for example despite they are tanned:

https://static.lexpress.fr/medias_2078/w_605,h_350,c_fill,g_north/v1382711662/les-ch-tis-10_1064420.jpg

And these French people look stereotypically Germans or Anglo-Saxon:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?349007-Classify-French-decathlon-champion-Kevin-Mayer
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339472-Classify-right-wing-French-influencer-Gr%C3%A9groire-Canlorbe

But even in the South West, in the department of Landes, for example, the proportion of blond and blue eyed people is very significative.

[Tooting Carmen]

And why do you think all these Italians and Iberians came in France? Because their home country were shitholes and they knew that France was largely more developed and prosperous. Why do you think so many of the descendants of these Iberians and Italians stay in France and don't go back to Portugal, Spain and Italy? Because they know that France is largely better than these Club Med countries, even today.

Here are some noble specimens of them. And NO, they don't look like ethnic French, but like brown wog, Algerians or even Punjabi.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/pictures/qbJaZxBlDuoLE8DFDPorxS_OxsY/750x750/2021/06/08/phpHHMOFi.pnghttps://static.cnews.fr/sites/default/files/papacito_va_youtube_60c0bca4b3a00.jpghttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/85l34ent8b885hgjmiaj7lfb3._SX450_.jpghttps://www.tipeeestream.com/cdn-cgi/image/onerror=redirect,width=1200,height=630/https://api.tipeee.com/cache/20210127032058/media/1956105/202101276010ce0a83348.jpeg

Just look at the Spanish football team. Most of the players don't pass as French at all, and look more Arab than French.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jp0slz3X9UP64MlFdwLCigorhSg=/0x0:4273x3010/1200x800/filters:focal(1796x1164:2478x1846)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/61384039/1031700340.jpg.0.jpg




Hem, a lot of the "European" Jews are brown, even among the Ashkenazis.




These people are just examples among others. The majority of North Eastern French pass better as British of German than as Spaniards or Italians. But the North East of France is quite a crossbroad, so the French of these regions often don't look specifically Brits or German but have their own Northwestern European look. I think De Gaulle was a good example of that.

Even among my own grandparents, my 2 grandfathers pass as Brits, my maternal grandmother could have pass as Brit or German. Only my paternal grandmother could pass as Iberian, but she's less dark than the average Iberian.

That group of Northern French would pass anywhere in Northwestern Europe for example despite they are tanned:

https://static.lexpress.fr/medias_2078/w_605,h_350,c_fill,g_north/v1382711662/les-ch-tis-10_1064420.jpg

And these French people look stereotypically Germans or Anglo-Saxon:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?349007-Classify-French-decathlon-champion-Kevin-Mayer
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339472-Classify-right-wing-French-influencer-Gr%C3%A9groire-Canlorbe

But even in the South West, the department of Landes, for example, the proportion of blond and blue eyed people is very significant.

Canlorbe has a very Gallic look to my eyes actually. :D Anyway, to me France is intermediate between Northern and Southern Europe, and it is really pathetic to overemphasise one element while totally denying and denigrating the other element.

[Leto]

That just proves ethnic northern french can be short and swarthy like it's his case. In fact the first recorded pedophile and serial killer in history was a northwestern frenchman called Gilles de Rais who lived in the 1400s. French artists depict him like this:

https://i.imgur.com/Ft44AeP.png

I bet he would score the same results and would cluster with northwest french, where he was from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais

His phenotype classification would probably also be very similar to Centurion's.
I heard about him many years ago, probably wouldn't have remembered if you hadn't posted that. Very sick.

[Tooting Carmen]

Btw, only Sergio Busquets of the Spanish football team looks genuinely 'Arab', and his ancestry has been discussed a lot on anthrofora, while the guy on the top right corner is clearly mulatto. And in any event, the French football team is the least European-looking team in Europe by far. xD

[Leto]

...
I must say I don't know you at all but you seem to have views similar to dududud's who is also French.

Out of curiosity, can you show me your Dodecad K12b components?

[Centurion]

it is really pathetic to overemphasise one element while totally denying and denigrating the other element.

You mean like those Iberians who are in constant denial of their brown populace and overempahsise their "Spanish blondes".

Personally I've never denied than the Med element was among the most important component in France. I just say that there's no reason to consider that French genetically overlap more with Spaniards than with Brits. The Pyrenees is obviously a much more impervious border than the Channel Island.

And tonight, thanks to the retards of the club med syndicate, I've learned that paedophilia and serial killing is born in France during the XVth century.

That must mean that this article stating that it's started in Ancient Rome is wrong :rolleyes:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_before_1900


only Sergio Busquets of the Spanish football team looks genuinely 'Arab',

Nope. At least 1/2 of them look Arab, or at least, more Arab than French.

I have about the same height than the average Portuguese. But I'm not swarthy and hairy like the average Portuguese, fortunately.

[Tooting Carmen]

You mean like those Iberians who are in constant denial of their brown populace and overempahsise their "Spanish blondes".

Personally I've never denied than the Med element was among the most important component in France. I just say that there's no reason to consider that French genetically overlap more with Spaniards than with Brits. The Pyrenees is obviously a much more impervious border than the Channel Island.

And tonight, thanks to the retards of the club med syndicate, I've learned that paedophilia and serial killing is born in France during the XVth century.

That must mean that this article stating that it's started in Ancient Rome is wrong :rolleyes:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_before_1900



Nope. At least 1/2 of them look Arab, or at least, more Arab than French.

They look like tanned and bearded Southern Europeans. xD These are real Arabs:
https://i2.wp.com/nairametrics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Saudi-royal-family.jpg?fit=800%2C557&ssl=1

[alnortedelsur]

Btw, only Sergio Busquets of the Spanish football team looks genuinely 'Arab', and his ancestry has been discussed a lot on anthrofora, while the guy on the top right corner is clearly mulatto. And in any event, the French football team is the least European-looking team in Europe by far. xD

His country is the shit hole. A multi ethnic shit hole with entire neighborhoods full of Northern Africans and Sub Saharan Africans, and a nasty Paris's subway, compared to the clean subway from Madrid and other Spanish cities.

Very funny coming from him, talking about shit hole countries :rolleyes:

[Damião de Góis]

I have about the same height than the average Portuguese. But I'm not swarthy and hairy like the average Portuguese, fortunately.

You have the same height as the football player Bernardo Silva, 173cm, who has been called "midget" by rival FC Porto fans:

https://www.jn.pt/desporto/super-dragoes-visam-bernardo-silva-anao-os-milhoes-estao-no-teu-adn-13095299.html

So average football fans from Porto view 173cm as short. This wouldn't be important if you weren't ranting about others people being short while being 173cm yourself.

As for being swarthy, for some reason people classified you as Berid + Littorid and said you looked similar to Nadal. So you are a curious case, you bitch about others being short and dark and yet...

[Centurion]

They look like tanned and bearded Southern Europeans. xD These are real Arabs:
https://i2.wp.com/nairametrics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Saudi-royal-family.jpg?fit=800%2C557&ssl=1

They are not tanned, it's their natural skin color.

And in that pic you've posted, we can see than the majority of the Spaniards of the Spanish team are indeed, closer to Arabs than to French.

And in fact, some of these Arabs are LIGHTERS than the Spaniards.:laugh:

Here is the Lebanese football team. Frankly, if I didn't know which team was the Spanish one and which one was the Lebanese one, I could not guess their real nationality with certainty, because they look 90% the same.

https://i.goalzz.com/?i=albums%2Fmatches%2F1202985%2F2019-01-12t160448z_1747536440_rc16d97ff890_rtrmadp_3_socce r-asiancup-lbn-sau_reuters.jpg

[Faklon]

Dark French snd North Africans have nothing to do with Greeks. Dark French and mutts like the dududu creep usually look like some dwarf degenerates with tiny shoulders.

There are studies that show the genetic gradient of pigmentation in Europe, Africa and Asia.

The HIrisPlex system for simultaneous prediction of hair and eye colour from DNA
(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497312001810)

West Asia itself is notably more depigmented than North Africa.

This is cultural appropriation by culturally part-African Frogs who prefer to call their """integrated""" North Africans ancient Greeks rather than Moroccan drug dealers. No matter if the later made them run away from their country. Some Brits also do it, like Lily who preferred to call her son South European rather than half-black, or that milf who didn't know her ancestry but her DNA results were Lebanese-like.

[Ruggery]

Dududu and his Centurion would make a good match.

[Gallop]

dudududud or whatever his name was Canadian, they are the typical children of immigrants who go back to their parents' country of origin and come with all the caste bullshit from the American continent to pretend to transfer it to Europe.

Like the Canadian guy I post in my thread "Andalusians" who pretended to have traveled to Andalusia saying you could drive 100 km seeing only white people, then at km 101 what did you see idiot?

It's also clear that he's been screwed by the Spanish blondes compilation thread, it's stuck in his mind and he's starting to be obsessed with it.

That thread will have its repercussions later dear. We French and Spanish have a good neighborliness as you can see in the thread "France Spain: Relations" and that is what gnaws at him.

Spain is a modern and advanced country and there is no turning back.

You see us darker? well, in bed you don't complain?

[Argentum]

dudududud or whatever his name was Canadian, they are the typical children of immigrants who go back to their parents' country of origin and come with all the caste bullshit from the American continent to pretend to transfer it to Europe.

Like the Canadian guy I post in my thread "Andalusians" who pretended to have traveled to Andalusia saying you could drive 100 km seeing only white people, then at km 101 what did you see idiot?

It's also clear that he's been screwed by the Spanish blondes compilation thread, it's stuck in his mind and he's starting to be obsessed with it.

That thread will have its repercussions later dear. We French and Spanish have a good neighborliness as you can see in the thread "France Spain: Relations" and that is what gnaws at him.

Spain is a modern and advanced country and there is no turning back.

You see us darker? well, in bed you don't complain?

Are you a blonde Andalusian?

[Mortimer]

I love both centurion and cristiano viejo they are warriors of whiteness true battle of giants

[Samnium]

Great exageration here. French are generally speaking intermediate between Iberians and Brits or Iberians and Scandos/German.

Nobody denies that there's a continuity between one side of the Pyrenees and another, but France isn't just the Pyrenees. It's a country that's larger than Spain and than pretty much any other country in Europe except Russia.

[Cristiano viejo]

You have the same height as the football player Bernardo Silva, 173cm, who has been called "midget" by rival FC Porto fans:

As for being swarthy, for some reason people classified you as Berid + Littorid and said you looked similar to Nadal. So you are a curious case, you bitch about others being short and dark and yet...
Not only he is a dwarf. He also scored North African blood and he has admitted his grandmother looks North African :laugh:


dudududud or whatever his name was Canadian
dudududud is half Sardinian.

No more questions, my Lord.


I love both centurion and cristiano viejo they are warriors of whiteness true battle of giants

lol, Centurion is not a warrior of whiteness, he fled like a rat from France toward Hungary. Which warrior of whiteness would do such thing? :lol: