Decline of Christianity: Good or bad?

[Breathe]

I am referring decline of Christianity in Europe. There is no doubt that Christianity has played a major role when it comes to Europe’s art, lifestyle, politics and etc. But of course, it is now decreasing. Even the people who call themselves Christians are mostly nominal. In your opinion, is that a good or bad?

[Crn Volk]

Bad. Alot of Cultural Marxism's growth can be traced to Christianity's decline in the West.

[Teutone]

Horrible.

The decline of the "west" correlates with the loss of influence of christianity.

[Cleitus]

Bad. Alot of Cultural Marxism's growth can be traced to Christianity's decline in the West.

That's a bogus term with no meaning, marxism is an economic theory.

[JamesBond007]

Horrible.

The decline of the "west" correlates with the loss of influence of christianity.

The problem with Christianity is that it has to be literally believed to useful but that is impossible when men know it is false in the scientific sense. You can't just metaphoricallyl believe in it. So, if you are smart you would have to bash yourself in the head with a hammer to induce enough brain damage to believe in it literally.

People become converts to religion because they think they see that it works but they are mistaken e.g. I survived a subway ride in New York only god could have saved me ! Meanwhile science builds buildings and sends rockets to the moon so men become converts because it works.

[catgeorge]

New World has no soul - it can only be found in money.

I think Europe's Christian identity has not changed all that much past 50 years tbh in fact I witness more and more people gravitate towards Jesus Christ that have an excellent educational background.

[TheMaestro]

How is that good, fall of any monotheistic religion is bad. Decline of Christianity in Europe, just leads to degenerate future.

[TheMaestro]

The problem with Christianity is that it has to be literally believed to useful but that is impossible when men know it is false in the scientific sense. You can't just metaphoricallyl believe in it. So, if you are smart you would have to bash yourself in the head with a hammer to induce enough brain damage to believe in it literally.

People become converts to religion because they think they see that it works but they are mistaken e.g. I survived a subway ride in New York only god could have saved me ! Meanwhile science builds buildings and sends rockets to the moon so men become converts because it works.

The problem of Catholic church is Vatican. Even in Slovakia people shit-talk on pope and Vatican, why should in a religion someone act as a god.. Then imagine people shitting on them, what kind of example to they give to their children, they grow hatred to something they don't even know and dislike the religion based of someone's opinion about them.

[oszkar07]

New World has no soul - it can only be found in money.

I think Europe's Christian identity has not changed all that much past 50 years tbh in fact I witness more and more people gravitate towards Jesus Christ that have an excellent educational background.

Agree ..., the world has become more souless.
There is more technology, more stimulation, more information ... etc but feels less soulfull 4 sure.

[oszkar07]

double

[Cleitus]

How is that good, fall of any monotheistic religion is bad. Decline of Christianity in Europe, just leads to degenerate future.

This whole notion of degeneracy is nonsensical. Was there ever a time when humans were the opposite of what you call degenerate? Monotheistic religions didn't create ethics, philosophers and thinkers did, living human thought did. Islam and Christianity give you two options, live a pious life and be rewarded with the eternal afterlife in heaven or end up in hell. We have to endure in this life and do what the lord tells us, so we can profit later.

[TheMaestro]

This whole notion of degeneracy is nonsensical. Was there ever a time when humans were the opposite of what you call degenerate? Monotheistic religions didn't create ethics, philosophers and thinkers did, living human thought did. Islam and Christianity give you two options, live a pious life and be rewarded with the eternal afterlife in heaven or end up in hell. We have to endure in this life and do what the lord tells us, so we can profit later.

Realize that countries where the religion is decreasing everything is becoming more and more sexual, all people talk is sex and other stuff. You can even see it in the music, it's completely different as it was in the past and now.

[Cleitus]

Realize that countries where the religion is decreasing everything is becoming more and more sexual, all people talk is sex and other stuff. You can even see it in the music, it's completely different as it was in the past and now.

Brazil is an extremely "religious" nation, yet probably one of the most sexually promiscuous countries in the world. There are many variables to be taken into account when it comes to phenomena like hypersexuality, like culture and education, technology plays a major role in this aspect. Everyone is just a click away from pornographic material.

[TheMaestro]

Brazil is an extremely "religious" nation, yet probably one of the most sexually promiscuous countries in the world. There are many variables to be taken into account when it comes to phenomena like hypersexuality, like culture and education, technology plays a major role in this aspect. Everyone is just a click away from pornographic material.

Yes but you can find exemptions everywhere.

[Breathe]

I’m a Muslimah let me put my input. I think before the spread of Christianity and Islam, the world was a cruel, perverted, misogynistic, and violent place.

Let me give you an example. Before Christianity, human sacrifice was the norm in Scandinavia. Also, we are aware how Roman/Greek culture was. They were sexually degenerate. People would participate in orgies, have sex with animals, sex with family and of course, old men would rape 12-14 year old boys. It was a crazy world back then. I would say even worst than today. That is why, God sent Abrahamic religions. He wanted to tell people how they should live their lives.

[Token]

That's a bogus term with no meaning, marxism is an economic theory.

Marxism tries to explain society and history as a whole in function of class conflict, it is not only economy.

[Adamm]

The decline of religion in general is a bad thing.

[Dušan]

Bad.

[Ford]

Not inherently good or bad.

[Ford]

Yes but you can find exemptions everywhere.

People, no matter time, have always been violent, drunk, whoremongering, cultureless degenerates.

[TheMaestro]

People, no matter time, have always been violent, drunk, whoremongering, cultureless degenerates.

True, it's somewhere deep in people, but with religion, they started to fear such things and this can be surpressed by small margin.

[sean]

Decline of Christianity: Good or bad? I am referring decline of Christianity in Europe. There is no doubt that Christianity has played a major role when it comes to Europe’s art, lifestyle, politics and etc. But of course, it is now decreasing. Even the people who call themselves Christians are mostly nominal. In your opinion, is that a good or bad?

Well, it depends. The majority of positive changes from the West such as science, technology, industry, arts, empires, and military prowess coincided with the Enlightenment era, and you have to admit that the Western Europe was its strongest when it still believed in ethnonationalism not religion.

That's Christian unity for you.

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Morality predates Christianity or any religion. We can say that western society was based off Christian values, however, moral behaviour, cooperation, the golden rule, empathetic behaviour, and family values are foundational principles that came from natural human behaviour. If these principles did not exist in our ancestors then we would not exist today.

While yes, wrongdoing still went on inside tribes, communities, etc. We evolved to understand that the aforementioned wrong behaviour are antithetical to a sucessful society, tribe, or community. Basically Christian values that built western society aren't inherently Christian, but are secular.

On the other hand, Christianity was good when it was strong and made the people slaughter invaders like the Muslim invasions of Medieval Europe, but now Christianity seems to have no effect whether the nations mounts a resistance or not.

Ireland is almost fully Catholic but they are huge cucks for some reason. Same with Spain or Sweden for that matter. Christian to the core but still wholeheartedly supports race-mixing, faggotry, more rapefugees and other ills. On the other hand, Czech Republic is atheist as fuck but still is pretty based country in their own right.

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I think that religion should be respected (in the framework of the law of course) but not really pushed, so if Christianity is on the decline then it's just not proving to be fruitful. As the west has become more educated, the divide between the claims of religion and the emerging truths from science have rendered, step by step, Christianity to be a completely implausible explanation of the world in any meaningful sense.

As we have understood cosmology, evolution and the rest of sciences, the core idea that humans are somehow special, or the idea of a universe creator that is interested in human affairs has become simply untenable. Also, people do not forget where Christianity has stood, historically, on the big societal questions and that light does not paint a rosy picture.

Of course, some catholic cunt on TA would naively argue that panheresy of Protestantism is the fount from which liberalism, individualism and consumerism sprang. Protestantism essentially dissolves the idea of asceticism and spiritual struggle - what the Catholic call 'sanctification' and the Orthodox call 'theosis'. But humans have always had the tendency to obsess over worldly success and power.

[Celestia]

The decline of Christianity is the rise of secularism. So for me, morally it’s bad.

[Getae]

It’s good because it will give rise to Islam in Europe.

[Breathe]

I’m surprised so many people here think decline of Christianity is bad. I thought Europeans are atheist-leaning..

[Marshall Theodore]

Bad

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

It's objectively bad. There is a correlation between community spirit and religion. In a community where religion is relevant in people's lives, they are more likely to be familiar with their neighbors. They're not strangers on a ship.

Religious conflicts (Catholics versus Protestants, Sunni versus Shiites, etc.) are religious only on the surface. They're political conflicts. For example, the Dutch didn't rebel against Catholic Spain because of Calvinism. They rebelled because they didn't want to pay taxes to foreigners. Calvinism gained followers in the Netherlands more as a way to say, 'Go fuck yourself, foreign tax collector!' than religious zeal.

[sanhadji]

I’m a Muslimah let me put my input. I think before the spread of Christianity and Islam, the world was a cruel, perverted, misogynistic, and violent place.

Let me give you an example. Before Christianity, human sacrifice was the norm in Scandinavia. Also, we are aware how Roman/Greek culture was. They were sexually degenerate. People would participate in orgies, have sex with animals, sex with family and of course, old men would rape 12-14 year old boys. It was a crazy world back then. I would say even worst than today. That is why, God sent Abrahamic religions. He wanted to tell people how they should live their lives.

pedophilia was common in ancient greece christianity couldn't change this
unlike in secular modern societies, romans didn't praise debauched people this kind of behaviour was seen as effeminate
christianity brought order but many used their religious position to take advantage of the population


It’s good because it will give rise to Islam in Europe.

those who reject christianity will be even more opposed to Islam just out of ideology and jealousy

[Dragoon]

I’m surprised so many people here think decline of Christianity is bad. I thought Europeans are atheist-leaning..

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Atheist leaning is the wrong word.

Better would be secular, god believing (in some form), and cultural Christian.
Both "extremes": atheists and highly religious/faithful are smaller in number.

[PaganPoet]

Good.
Cultural arguments are all nice and such, but it still is about believing something blindly and that simply doesn't work anymore nowadays.
Do you people really believe christianity? Or do you just compulsively lie to yourself because you "know" it is important to have religion?

[Dragoon]

Bad. Alot of Cultural Marxism's growth can be traced to Christianity's decline in the West.

That is more a 20th century thing. It has liberal progressive and revisionist communist + Freudian aspects. Certainly it ripped the shit out of Christianity.

In the mid 19th century many Western countries (Europe, North and South America) started to become very secular in the form of laicism. They met resistance from moderate secularism liberalism and variations of conservatism.
Laicism and its more godless forms seems to have won along with its other allies.

But secularism goes back even further. The ages of secret societies dabbling in occult, esoteric, mysticism, mystery religions, kaballism
was already wrecking Christian perceptions around 1700 all the way up to 1900 or beyond.
These people identified as Christians but accepted ancient systems to the mix, sometimes they were deist or godless.

[Hexachordia]

Before 1600s, what people relied on in Christianity? short prayers only, they had no Bible, especially for poor people, they had to rely on clerics on all major matters all the times, and the condition of the common people has always been extremely miserable. Has Christianity ever not been in a decline? The real pinnacle of Christianity is seen as a confusion today: both jesuit and lutheranism can be called as the flourishing of religion, they contributed a lot to the human condition in general although they have much differences in the practice of faith. Jesuit is said to practice magic while Lutherans offered vulgate Bibles to all people and rely on gospels and good works, we can refert to these two paradigms of faithfulness, people today have neither qualities, totally walk the path of the misery in cash and corruption. It is also hypocritical to criticize the Jesuit for practicing magic, because Lutheranism also propose a kind of personal vision of communication with Christ:

The Major Beliefs of Lutheranism and Their Impact on Non-Religious Issues Essay

The reaction of the public to Luther’s call to action and his proclamations associated with the necessity to follow new religious ideals were interesting for the people because they were close to them regarding the possibilities to orient to the personal beliefs and the personal vision of faith as the communication with God.

I recommand Paolo Coelho` books, Mr Coehlo is like a new jesuit, people at least need to have some imaginations power from the "worst notorities" by the jesuits.

[Zanzibar]

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Atheist leaning is the wrong word.

Better would be secular, god believing (in some form), and cultural Christian.
Both "extremes": atheists and highly religious/faithful are smaller in number.

Would the term "Deist" or "spiritual but not religious" fit this definition for most Europeans?

[Mortimer]

A little bit good (because introduction of religious freedom, yes religious freedom was not always taken for granted, for example only in the 18th or 17th century with the englightened absolute monarchs, the jews got religious freedom, then you wont probably want to have witch hunts, or something)

but it gone too far with extreme blasphemy, and satanistic values, yes we live in the age of satan, it is already more and more open, maybe there will be a openly satanic dictatorship in the future

[Batavia]

Mostly good.
But of course, christianity is also part of our history and culture, so it's not all positive.
I think some (if not most) people need religion and christianity is still better than the consumption that has displaced it.