Italians/greeks literally have more middle eastern ancestry than me

[Hamilcar]

Target: ME
Distance: 2.9501% / 0.02950090
46.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 Yoruba
5.0 Levant_Natufian
1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 WHG


Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.7998% / 0.01799845
56.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.6 Levant_Natufian
8.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Sicilian_West
Distance: 2.4398% / 0.02439833
52.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.6 Levant_Natufian
7.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.6 WHG
2.2 GEO_CHG
1.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian


The whole comparison :

https://i.imgur.com/knxMSW7.png




Many of them also lack the WHG ancestry berbers tend to score. Some riffians and kabyles have way more WHG than them :


Target: Racim_kabyle
Distance: 1.8333% / 0.01833304
45.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 MAR_Iberomaurusian
6.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.8 Levant_Natufian
5.6 Yoruba
4.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.2 WHG


https://i.imgur.com/grJaEBW.png
https://i.imgur.com/T1XCK3p.png

https://i.imgur.com/U0UF3vK.jpg

[Catalyn]

I think Gedmatch is very fake.

[Dirdepo]

They have alot of Jew and Gitano blood. They saying that they are native to Mediterranean Europe

[Hamilcar]

I think Gedmatch is very fake.

that's not gedmatch lol it's even more accurate than gedmatch

[Lucas]

that's not gedmatch lol it's even more accurate than gedmatch

G25 ?

[Hamilcar]

G25 ?

yes

[Dr_Maul]

feels like Iberomaurisian should be counted as Middle East but yeah your technically right lol

[Voskos]

Indeed that's why Mozabites look very western.

[Hamilcar]

Indeed that's why Mozabites look very western.

I said "Me" and added riffians/kabyles


Mozabites are literally saharan berbers with 10% yoruba ancestry...that's why berbers like us tend to score additionnal "southern european" ancestry on these commercial tests because of our extra EEF, steppe, whg, etc

[Lucas]

Indeed that's why Mozabites look very western.

They are more western technically then Italians;)
https://i.imgur.com/aQcA11B.jpg

[Voskos]

I said "Me" and added riffians/kabyles

I wasn't being ironic though. As a matter of fact I've observed that Berbers in general tend to look more Western than the majority of Greek islanders.

[Hamilcar]

I wasn't being ironic though. As a matter of fact I've observed that Berbers in general tend to look more Western than the majority of Greek islanders.

Myself already notice this before, many berbers (not all) have a very west med vibe in comparison to the types found in the eastern basin but obviously couldn't share such observation because of muh OWD. But I don't think mozabites are the best examples for this tbh

[Hulu]

It's not MENA in the modern sense. Levant was part of the Roman Empire.

[Hamilcar]

It's not MENA in the modern sense. Levant was part of the Roman Empire.

North Africa was also part of the Roman Empire. And Ancient levantines were similar to their modern descendents so yes it is "MENA".

[Hulu]

North Africa was also part of the Roman Empire. And Ancient levantines were similar to their modern descendents so yes it is "MENA".

Levant had a considerable greek and roman presence.

[Hamilcar]

I think you don't really understand what I posted. That there were some roman or greek settlers in the middle east or northern europe won't change the fact that italians and greeks literally have middle eastern ancestry and in bigger proportion than coastal berbers. They also tend to lack WHG ancestry unlike west med people.

[Hulu]

I think you don't really understand what I posted. That there were some roman or greek settlers in the middle east or northern europe won't change the fact that italians and greeks literally have middle eastern ancestry and in bigger proportion than coastal berbers. They also tend to lack WHG ancestry unlike west med people.

I think you don't understand what I posted. Those portions of Levant Natufians are due to the presence there of Roman and Greeks during Roman empire, not due to present mena populations. And they do have whg, less than west med due to geography but still there.

[happycow]

So? They still look more European than you. :dunno:

[Hamilcar]

I think you don't understand what I posted. Those portions of Levant Natufians are due to the presence there of Roman and Greeks during Roman empire, not due to present mena populations. And they do have whg, less than west med due to geography but still there.

bs it's because these regions received levantine migrants and slaves :



As the empire expanded, contemporary accounts and archaeological evidence indicate there were tight connections between Rome and other parts of its domain built through trade, military campaigns, new roads, and slavery—and the genetic history corroborates but also complicates the story. There was a massive shift in Roman residents’ ancestry, the researchers found, but that ancestry came primarily from the Eastern Mediterranean and Near East, possibly because of denser populations there relative to the Roman Empire’s western reaches in Europe and Africa.

https://www.futurity.org/ancient-rome-dna-genetic-history-2206322/



So it is middle eastern ancestry whether there were roman settlers there or levantine migrants and slaves in italy.

[Hamilcar]

So? They still look more European than you. :dunno:

Indeed but why do you brought this ? I never implied we were more euro or looked more euro wtf

It's just surprising to see a people often included with MEs to be less ME than europeans

[Hulu]

bs it's because these regions received levantine migrants and slaves :



https://www.futurity.org/ancient-rome-dna-genetic-history-2206322/



So it is middle eastern ancestry whether there were roman settlers there or levantine migrants and slaves in italy.

It not middle eastern ancestry if it's from Roman settlers. There might have been some migrants/ slaves in Italy but those were in small numbers and slaves were not favored to have families / children so the impact must have been small. Can you post distances to each of the components for you and a few italian / greek samples? Which calculator is this, I want to run it too.

[Dirdepo]

It not middle eastern ancestry if it's from Roman settlers. Can you post distances to each of the components for you and a few italian / greek samples? Which calculator is this, I want to run it too.

Do you know who populated the Roman empire in the highest numbers or you don't know?

[Dirdepo]

Do you know who populated the Roman empire in the highest numbers or you don't know?

It was the Jews.

[Hulu]

It was the Jews.

:bounce:

[Hamilcar]

It not middle eastern ancestry if it's from Roman settlers. There might have been some migrants/ slaves in Italy but those were in small numbers and slaves were not favored to have families / children so the impact must have been small. Can you post distances to each of the components for you and a few italian / greek samples? Which calculator is this, I want to run it too.

wtf are you talking about ? Romans were italians not middle eastern. It is middle eastern stop finding excuses.


During the Imperial period (n = 48 individuals), the most prominent trend is an ancestry shift toward the eastern Mediterranean and with very few individuals of primarily western European ancestry (Fig. 3C). The distribution of Imperial Romans in PCA largely overlaps with modern Mediterranean and Near Eastern populations, such as Greek, Maltese, Cypriot, and Syrian (Figs. 2A and 3C). This shift is accompanied by a further increase in the Neolithic Iranian component in ADMIXTURE (Fig. 2B) and is supported by f-statistics (tables S20 and S21): compared to Iron Age individuals, the Imperial population shares more alleles with early Bronze Age Jordanians ( f4 statistics Z-score = 4.2) and shows significant introgression signals in admixture f3 for this population, as well as for Bronze Age Lebanese and Iron Age Iranians (Z-score < −3.4)



Supporting this, there is evidence for the long-term settlement of people from the east in Rome. The most common language for inscriptions, after Latin, was Greek; other languages, such as Aramaic and Hebrew, were also used. Additionally, birthplaces recorded in burial inscriptions indicate that immigrants were commonly from the east (29). Temples and shrines to Greek, Phrygian, Syrian, and Egyptian gods were also common, and the earliest known synagogue in Europe was established in the Roman port-town of Ostia (3, 16).


https://eeb.tamu.edu/files/2020/01/Ancient-genetics-of-Rome.pdf

So yes it is middle eastern ancestry because they have middle eastern ancestors.

[Hulu]

wtf are you talking about ? Romans were italians not middle eastern. It is middle eastern stop finding excuses.







https://eeb.tamu.edu/files/2020/01/Ancient-genetics-of-Rome.pdf

So yes it is middle eastern ancestry because they have middle eastern ancestors.

Post your distances

[TheMaestro]

Hamilcar for president.

[Radimir]

It makes sense.

[Zeno]

Typical pathetic Nassbean thread, moving on to the next trash.

[Kosteece]

Target: ME
Distance: 2.9501% / 0.02950090
46.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 Yoruba
5.0 Levant_Natufian
1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 WHG


Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.7998% / 0.01799845
56.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.6 Levant_Natufian
8.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Sicilian_West
Distance: 2.4398% / 0.02439833
52.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.6 Levant_Natufian
7.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.6 WHG
2.2 GEO_CHG
1.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian


The whole comparison :

https://i.imgur.com/knxMSW7.png




Many of them also lack the WHG ancestry berbers tend to score. Some riffians and kabyles have way more WHG than them :


Target: Racim_kabyle
Distance: 1.8333% / 0.01833304
45.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 MAR_Iberomaurusian
6.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.8 Levant_Natufian
5.6 Yoruba
4.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.2 WHG


https://i.imgur.com/grJaEBW.png
https://i.imgur.com/T1XCK3p.png

https://i.imgur.com/U0UF3vK.jpg

That is not levantine, muslim mongrel.
It's the common DNA substrate in the whole of Eastern Med and the Caucasus, sahel monkey.
What differentiates Lebanese from Hellenes or Italiotes is the absence of Arab DNA in the latter.
All Eastern Euros have Caucasian DNA.
Now, hump on your camel and sashay away, sahel urangotang.

[catgeorge]

Not even close.

[Hamilcar]

Post your distances

distance to what ? and distance in my case got inflated by the ssa so it's meaningless

[Hamilcar]

Typical pathetic Nassbean thread, moving on to the next trash.

what's wrong with it ? Are you racist towards middle eastern people ?

[Hamilcar]

That is not levantine, muslim mongrel.
It's the common DNA substrate in the whole of Eastern Med and the Caucasus, sahel monkey.
What differentiates Lebanese from Hellenes or Italiotes is the absence of Arab DNA in the latter.
All Eastern Euros have Caucasian DNA.
Now, hump on your camel and sashay away, sahel urangotang.

wtf is this guy talking about ?

https://i.imgur.com/4te3R5Z.png

[Deusex99]

Iberomarusian is literally 70% Natufian + 30% SSA.

Italians and Greeks do have more Caucasus/Zagros than you, but your Natufian+SSA combined is almost half of your genome.

[Avicenna]

Iberomarusian is literally 70% Natufian + 30% SSA.

Italians and Greeks do have more Caucasus/Zagros than you, but your Natufian+SSA combined is almost half of your genome.

CHG is not even middle Eastern . It's west Asian or north west Asian . They looked somewhat like this :

https://i.ibb.co/q9ht9WF/IMG-20200414-192029.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
upload img (https://imgbb.com/)

[Mejgusu]

Target: ME
Distance: 2.9501% / 0.02950090
46.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 Yoruba
5.0 Levant_Natufian
1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 WHG

You are 12% Yamnaya?

[Cristiano viejo]

That is not levantine, muslim mongrel.
It's the common DNA substrate in the whole of Eastern Med and the Caucasus, sahel monkey.
What differentiates Lebanese from Hellenes or Italiotes is the absence of Arab DNA in the latter.
All Eastern Euros have Caucasian DNA.
Now, hump on your camel and sashay away, sahel urangotang.
hahaha, good post, made me laugh ;)


CHG is not even middle Eastern . It's west Asian or north west Asian . They looked somewhat like this :

https://i.ibb.co/q9ht9WF/IMG-20200414-192029.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Al Pacino with a rifle?

[FinalFlash]

You should probably include CHG as middle eastern if you consider Iran_N as such- they're very similar.

[Hamilcar]

Iberomarusian is literally 70% Natufian + 30% SSA.

Italians and Greeks do have more Caucasus/Zagros than you, but your Natufian+SSA combined is almost half of your genome.

Iberomaurusians spread their genes in the middle east and west africa not the opposite :


Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources.



Our co-modeling of Epipaleolithic Natufians and Ibero-Maurusians from Taforalt confirms that the Taforalt population was mixed11, but instead of specifying gene flow from the ancestors of Natufians into the ancestors of Taforalt as originally reported, we infer gene flow in the reverse direction (into Natufians). The Neolithic population from Morocco, closely related to Taforalt17 is also consistent with being descended from the source of this gene flow, and appears to have no admixture from the Levantine Neolithic (Supplementary Information section 3). If our model is correct, Epipaleolithic Natufians trace part of their ancestry to North Africa, consistent with morphological and archaeological studies that indicate a spread of morphological features22 and artifacts from North Africa into the Near East. Such a scenario would also explain the presence of Y-chromosome haplogroup E in the Natufians and Levantine farmers6, a common link between the Levant and Africa.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full


Italians and greeks have more natufian and iran_N ancestry than me.

[Hamilcar]

You are 12% Yamnaya?

yes even though technically this component was not brought directly by yamnaya people but by iberian bell beakers during the bronze age

[Lucas]

yes even though technically this component was not brought directly by yamnaya people but by iberian bell beakers during the bronze age

Do you think they could bring light pigmentation to some Berbers?

[Hamilcar]

Do you think they could bring light pigmentation to some Berbers?

Yes definitely

[Cristiano viejo]

Do you think they could bring light pigmentation to some Berbers?

They brought few light pigmentation, apparently ;) they had to carry their suitcases full of other things ;)

[Jased]

I don't know why people are bother by the facts, you must live In a parallel universe, here In the Americas looking Northern Is associated as ugly many white Americans are ashamed being white and wish to have some exotic admixture.

[Sloots]

If you're really Morrocan than you are also closer to your sub-saharan African kin

[mashail]

You should probably include CHG as middle eastern if you consider Iran_N as such- they're very similar.
Yeah its north west asian that's why Arabians and levantines score high CHG around 20%-35%.
While North african tend to have very small portion 1%-5%

[mashail]

You are 12% Yamnaya?
Yes, Yamnaya has a presence in North Africa.