Classify atypical Irish politician Mary Lou Mcdonald

[Oliver109]

Has a very archaic sort of look, actually reminds me of some Afalou inspired types from N Africa, not sure if she is fully Irish but interesting phenotype regardless
https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/22102602/Mary-Lou-McDonald-7.jpg

[Immanenz]

actually passes as Scandinavian/ Dutch Cm type easily

[Arūnas]

Has a very archaic sort of look,(...)

yes, indeed, Paelo... cartoonoid


https://youtu.be/8rqNZAIQH4U

[Davystayn]

Very ancient type I guess, zero migrant genes either from kelts, norse or anyone else

[Grace O'Malley]

Has a very archaic sort of look, actually reminds me of some Afalou inspired types from N Africa, not sure if she is fully Irish but interesting phenotype regardless
https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/22102602/Mary-Lou-McDonald-7.jpg

Yes she is fully Irish. She been classified as Paleo-Atlantid. Here's some pictures of her when she was younger. Looks a bit of a darker Brunn.

https://www.anphoblacht.com/files/old-images/2007/07/05/Mary-Lou-McDonald.jpg

https://img.rasset.ie/001394fa-1600.jpg

https://www.politico.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ireland3_150x152-380x396.jpg

[MobyD]

https://mlhamptons.com/get/files/image/galleries/101114-E_0188b_2_03ISO.jpg
https://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/celebrities/20210720117913/bridget-moynahan-tom-brady-exciting-news-fans-react-satc/0-570-747/bridget-moynahan-exciting-news-t.jpg

Some of her features, including pigmentation, are similar to Irish-American actress Bridget Moynahan. Bridget's features are obviously much more harmonious....

[Xacal]

Not atypical. Paleo-Atlantid

[Sloots]

Paleo-atlantid part of the greater Med race!

[Grace O'Malley]

Paleo-atlantid part of the greater Med race!

The interesting thing with that is if someone like Mary Lou McDonald had a dna test she would be like Colin Farrell who before last update on 23&Me got 98.7 British & Irish and would now be 100% British & Irish so they would cluster with all the other Irish. So their genetics are the same as their countrymen and women. Old worldly anthropology is not an indicator of someone's genetics but just knowing someone is long term Irish I could make a very good educated guess of what their genetics would be like.

[Latinus]

The interesting thing with that is if someone like Mary Lou McDonald had a dna test she would be like Colin Farrell who before last update on 23&Me got 98.7 British & Irish and would now be 100% British & Irish so they would cluster with all the other Irish. So their genetics are the same as their countrymen and women. Old worldly anthropology is not an indicator of someone's genetics but just knowing someone is long term Irish I could make a very good educated guess of what their genetics would be like.

Yeah, genotype >>>> phenotype. People tend to genetically cluster with their countrymen, regardless of their looks. Genetics clarified many of old school anthropology myths.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, genotype >>>> phenotype. People tend to genetically cluster with their countrymen, regardless of their looks. Genetics clarified many of old school anthropology myths.

Yes like a blond Sicilian claiming they got their colouring from the Normans. :) I've seen people claim that sort of stuff.

[Dick]

Yes like a blond Sicilian claiming they got their colouring from the Normans. :) I've seen people claim that sort of stuff.

Or the ones claiming they got their big booty from the Moors

[Grace O'Malley]

Very ancient type I guess, zero migrant genes either from kelts, norse or anyone else

I don't think there would be any isolated types. The only population that are distinct in Ireland are the Travellers and that's not because they have different admixture pre Elizabethan times. It is due to about 400 years of drift and consanguinity. You cannot look at someone and be able to tell what historical populations would have contributed to their genetics. After even 1,000 years it would be difficult to preserve or isolate an older genepool. By that I mean that any Irish person would have much the same ancestors. Also if you remember that during the Bronze Age pretty much all of Ireland's neolithic farmers were replaced with Bronze Age invaders you can see why some statements that people make on here are just not accurate. How many times do people claim when looking at someone that they are descended from UP survivors? :rolleyes: Do people really believe that?

[JamesBond007]

The interesting thing with that is if someone like Mary Lou McDonald had a dna test she would be like Colin Farrell who before last update on 23&Me got 98.7 British & Irish and would now be 100% British & Irish so they would cluster with all the other Irish. So their genetics are the same as their countrymen and women. Old worldly anthropology is not an indicator of someone's genetics but just knowing someone is long term Irish I could make a very good educated guess of what their genetics would be like.

You don't know what you are talking about she looks Irish and there are regional differences between the physical anthropolgical types. Paleo-Atlantids have always been a small minority of Ireland. Also, if she had a genetic test it could come out Scottish or somewhat Scottish.

Genetics can be manipulated for political reasons since people generally can't verify it in a specialized lab . It is harder to manipulate old world anthropology for political ends because it requires less specialized experience and no you don't have the specialized experience you just have some second hand knowledge that you delusionally makes you think you are an expert.



Irish :


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Mary_Lou_McDonald_%28official_portrait%29.jpg

English


https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/09/the-beatles-paul-mccartney-john-lennon.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

^both groups are paleo-altantid but the Irish woman does not look English even though those two Englishmen are from the most 'Irish' influenced part of England -- liverpool -- there are still obvious differences.

[Cristiano viejo]

BERID.

Ah, no, wait, that she is Irish... PALEO ATLANTID THEN, hehehe.

[TheMaestro]

Would honestly guess place like Sicilly or couldn't place her at all.

[Immanenz]

You don't know what you are talking about she looks Irish and there are regional differences between the physical anthropolgical types. Paleo-Atlantids have always been a small minority of Ireland. Also, if she had a genetic test it could come out Scottish or somewhat Scottish.

Genetics can be manipulated for political reasons since people generally can't verify it in a specialized lab . It is harder to manipulate old world anthropology for political ends because it requires less specialized experience and no you don't have the specialized experience you just have some second hand knowledge that you delusionally makes you think you are an expert.



Irish :



English


https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/09/the-beatles-paul-mccartney-john-lennon.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

^both groups are paleo-altantid but the Irish woman does not look English even though those two Englishmen are from the most 'Irish' influenced part of England -- liverpool -- there are still obvious differences.

because those two beatles arent "paleo" Atlantid, they have not really any Cm trait. And Paul passes as Italian, same eyes as Sylvester Stallone.

[Grace O'Malley]

You don't know what you are talking about she looks Irish and there are regional differences between the physical anthropolgical types. Paleo-Atlantids have always been a small minority of Ireland. Also, if she had a genetic test it could come out Scottish or somewhat Scottish.

Genetics can be manipulated for political reasons since people generally can't verify it in a specialized lab . It is harder to manipulate old world anthropology for political ends because it requires less specialized experience and no you don't have the specialized experience you just have some second hand knowledge that you delusionally makes you think you are an expert.



Irish :


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Mary_Lou_McDonald_%28official_portrait%29.jpg

English


https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/09/the-beatles-paul-mccartney-john-lennon.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

^both groups are paleo-altantid but the Irish woman does not look English even though those two Englishmen are from the most 'Irish' influenced part of England -- liverpool -- there are still obvious differences.

And the Irish woman has a Scottish surname. The two Englishmen have Irish ancestry.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CloseSplendidAtlanticridleyturtle-size_restricted.gif

[Immanenz]

I don't think there would be any isolated types. The only population that are distinct in Ireland are the Travellers and that's not because they have different admixture pre Elizabethan times. It is due to about 400 years of drift and consanguinity. You cannot look at someone and be able to tell what historical populations would have contributed to their genetics. After even 1,000 years it would be difficult to preserve or isolate an older genepool. By that I mean that any Irish person would have much the same ancestors. Also if you remember that during the Bronze Age pretty much all of Ireland's neolithic farmers were replaced with Bronze Age invaders you can see why some statements that people make on here are just not accurate. How many times do people claim when looking at someone that they are descended from UP survivors? :rolleyes: Do people really believe that?

Many times what people consider as "Brunn" is pretty much descendant from the more robuster Beaker types like the mentioned Wayne Rooney in the other thread- Ciarán Kilkenny would be a great example of it, also types like Richard Dunne or Stephen Kenny- and many others of course, but this types would be typically described as Kelto Brunn.

[Grace O'Malley]

She's a very articulate women whether you agree with her politics are not. She looks like she has naturally olive skin. Some Irish do. She has pretty robust features. She is from a middle-class background.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9FbZW2w-QA

[Roy]

She's swarthy which is unusual for the Irish but not Afalou-Mechtoid looking to me.

[Roy]

Yes like a blond Sicilian claiming they got their colouring from the Normans. :) I've seen people claim that sort of stuff.

But why not? They were there and their ancestry lives on.

[Grace O'Malley]

But why not? They were there and their ancestry lives on.

Because populations will be very mixed after a millennium. The only way they would retain some unique traits is in the aristocracy because they married people of similar background so more in-bred. In the Sicilian population for example the Normans were very small in number. Hardly enough to cause some long-term trait to descend down to people today. This would only happen if a significant amount of people came and bred with the older population. This obviously hasn't happened with Sicilians because they still cluster south of most Italians. Normans would have been completely absorbed and not enough of them came to cause a long lasting affect in the population.

The only way a smaller group would have to increase their percentage of the genepool is by having many wives, concubines and more children and then their children have a survival advantage. This can happen with some groups where there are warlords etc who end up having more progeny.

[Veslan]

actually passes as Scandinavian/ Dutch Cm type easily

Her nose seems to be a dead giveaway she's not a pure European. Way too wide and negroid-like...

[Grace O'Malley]

Her nose seems to be a dead giveaway she's not a pure European. Way too wide and negroid-like...

It's not broad at all or wide. Loads of Europeans have much broader noses. What is unusual is her skin colouring especially if she is not tanned.

By pointing that out I'm not saying she has any non-Isles ancestry just that she is darker than the vast majority not that she has any unusual ancestry.

[MobyD]

Her nose seems to be a dead giveaway she's not a pure European. Way too wide and negroid-like...

Have you never seen any broad-nosed Europeans???

[Veslan]

Have you never seen any broad-nosed Europeans???

Yes, but not with a broad nasal bone. This is mostly a Negroid/Australoid trait:
https://ee_ce_img.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/ce_img/media/remote/ce_img/https_ee_channel_images.s3.amazonaws.com/article-figures/7847/article-g02_400_218.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1b/79/88/1b7988463cc9054d209b390def6b0ec9.jpg

Perhaps at least one of her ancestors was a gypsy or an african.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, but not with a broad nasal bone. This is mostly a Negroid/Australoid trait:
https://ee_ce_img.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/ce_img/media/remote/ce_img/https_ee_channel_images.s3.amazonaws.com/article-figures/7847/article-g02_400_218.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1b/79/88/1b7988463cc9054d209b390def6b0ec9.jpg

Perhaps at least one of her ancestors was a gypsy or an african.

I don't know about that. Would Melissa McCarthy be in the same category?

https://img.rasset.ie/001394fa-1600.jpg https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTU1NDMwMzM4MjA0NTQyNDg0/melissa-mccarthy-arrives-at-the-premiere-of-usa-pictures-the-boss-at-regency-village-theatre-on-march-28-2016-in-westwood-california-photo-by-gregg-deguire_wireimage-square.jpg

I personally don't think her nose is in anyway unusual. Those pug noses are quite common.

[Immanenz]

Yes, but not with a broad nasal bone. This is mostly a Negroid/Australoid trait:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1b/79/88/1b7988463cc9054d209b390def6b0ec9.jpg

Perhaps at least one of her ancestors was a gypsy or an african.

most likely not as broad as that Czech Mesolithic female
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnzZd2C5QC3I93TsJ-VmY0gph9MdrSGZX0Lg&usqp=CAU

might not match the broad nasal bone but it does not look much different to this nose:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/steve-staunton-of-liverpool-at-anfield-on-july-21-1987-in-liverpool-picture-id1232654530?s=612x612

not claiming i know her full ancestry- if she is mixed with Australoid only enhances the Paleo factor. (somewhat joking) i noticed kind of her rather darker eyes as well, i really wish she an actual Paleo Atlantid, not those wannabes, you know.

[Immanenz]

Double post

But since i m here- Paleo Atlantid is kind of a fake type anyway. Coon described the "Brunn" looking Irish with positive strong chin, while the more Med- ish gracile ones having a higher frequency for prognathism.

[Nvard]

I can see her passing in spain, north africa, south italy.

[Sloots]

The interesting thing with that is if someone like Mary Lou McDonald had a dna test she would be like Colin Farrell who before last update on 23&Me got 98.7 British & Irish and would now be 100% British & Irish so they would cluster with all the other Irish. So their genetics are the same as their countrymen and women. Old worldly anthropology is not an indicator of someone's genetics but just knowing someone is long term Irish I could make a very good educated guess of what their genetics would be like.

Irish have their unique Northwestern look, I agree

[Veslan]

I don't know about that. Would Melissa McCarthy be in the same category?
Her nose is somewhat wide, but not as flattened. Seems more in Caucasoid range.



most likely not as broad as that Czech Mesolithic female
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnzZd2C5QC3I93TsJ-VmY0gph9MdrSGZX0Lg&usqp=CAU

might not match the broad nasal bone but it does not look much different to this nose:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/steve-staunton-of-liverpool-at-anfield-on-july-21-1987-in-liverpool-picture-id1232654530?s=612x612

not claiming i know her full ancestry- if she is mixed with Australoid only enhances the Paleo factor. (somewhat joking) i noticed kind of her rather darker eyes as well, i really wish she an actual Paleo Atlantid, not those wannabes, you know.

Yea a lot of Paleo/Mesolithic Europoids weren't purely Caucasoid. Either "yet" because they didn't evolve enough, or "not anymore" because they had Mongoloid admixture. This Mesolithic Czech skull you posted seems to also have slight prognathism and flattened nasal bridge btw, so it's not only a wide nose that makes her non-white.

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Alpinicised Paleo-Atlantid

[Roy]

Because populations will be very mixed after a millennium. The only way they would retain some unique traits is in the aristocracy because they married people of similar background so more in-bred. In the Sicilian population for example the Normans were very small in number. Hardly enough to cause some long-term trait to descend down to people today. This would only happen if a significant amount of people came and bred with the older population. This obviously hasn't happened with Sicilians because they still cluster south of most Italians. Normans would have been completely absorbed and not enough of them came to cause a long lasting affect in the population.

The only way a smaller group would have to increase their percentage of the genepool is by having many wives, concubines and more children and then their children have a survival advantage. This can happen with some groups where there are warlords etc who end up having more progeny.



Yeah I get it, but I remember reading that light features in Sicily are most common where the settlement of Normans was, I could be wrong on that or it was something that Sikeliot promoted, lol. Certain recessive features can resurface themselves after many generations. Sometimes you can look like a spitting image of your distant ancestor too and don't forget that story about Afrikaner woman born to white parents which had clear black features despite genetically being like her parents (which carried minor SSA admixture).

[Satem]

most likely not as broad as that Czech Mesolithic female
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnzZd2C5QC3I93TsJ-VmY0gph9MdrSGZX0Lg&usqp=CAU

might not match the broad nasal bone but it does not look much different to this nose:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/steve-staunton-of-liverpool-at-anfield-on-july-21-1987-in-liverpool-picture-id1232654530?s=612x612

not claiming i know her full ancestry- if she is mixed with Australoid only enhances the Paleo factor. (somewhat joking) i noticed kind of her rather darker eyes as well, i really wish she an actual Paleo Atlantid, not those wannabes, you know.

" i really wish she an actual Paleo Atlantid, not those wannabes, you know."
LMAOOO
oh my God, how retarded this little man can be. He started to simp for unknown persons only because they have asian-like eyes or maghrebi traits just like in OP =))).
Well keep wishing more dipshit, and while you are not focused around, ulev may come behind and tongue your arse :)), fucking homosexual.

He's going retad again here:
"described the "Brunn" looking Irish with positive strong chin, while the more Med- ish gracile ones having a higher frequency for prognathism"

lol, positive strong chin is correlated with prognathism retardo, you can literally check every pure dinarid type that has that. Probably he was so high on marijuana that he meant retrognathism(<- this is a characteristic of meds).

https://healthjade.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Angle-classification-of-malocclusion.jpg
https://healthjade.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/retrognathism.jpg

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

I don't know exactly what's "Afalou" about this woman but if she has such traits it makes sense because both PaleoAtlantids and Berberids (Mechta-Afalou) have the particularity of being cromagnon types, and if anything berberids are purer in this regard. I've seen some Paleo-Atlantid examples with the berberid eyes.

[Oliver109]

I don't know exactly what's "Afalou" about this woman but if she has such traits it makes sense because both PaleoAtlantids and Berberids (Mechta-Afalou) have the particularity of being cromagnon types, and if anything berberids are purer in this regard. I've seen some Paleo-Atlantid examples with the berberid eyes.

She has somewhat rugged features and similar i think to what lighter N African women can look like, Afalou was supposed to be like a Borreby i believe but they hardly exist in any part of N Africa now. Z Zidane's mother looks quite similar
https://photos.lci.fr/images/613/344/000_par1059899-34fd32-0@1x.jpeg

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

She has somewhat rugged features and similar i think to what lighter N African women can look like, Afalou was supposed to be like a Borreby i believe but they hardly exist in any part of N Africa now. Z Zidane's mother looks quite similar
https://photos.lci.fr/images/613/344/000_par1059899-34fd32-0@1x.jpeg

Afalou is just berberid

[Oliver109]

Afalou is just berberid

Berid i think is more Med shifted, need Immanenz to come and give an opinion as i am not as sure tbh.

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Berid i think is more Med shifted, need Immanenz to come and give an opinion as i am not as sure tbh.

Berberid and Berid are unrelated, genetically and physically. Berid corresponds to "Paleo-Sardinian", a coarse mediterranean with traits like a wider, lower nose and prognathism. Also has strong cheekbones, large jaw, wide face, low forehead. Many berids can look cromagnon-influenced but they are not the same physically as Berberids. Berids are common in Spain, Sardinia and Italy.

Berberids have very strong and prominent jawlines, brow ridges, mandibles. Large heads and squinted eyes. Also have wide noses like berids. Tall and broad foreheads aswell. Zidane is a perfect Berberid example.

I used to confuse both types aswell since they're exotic med cromagnons, I totally understand the confusion. Even most people here don't even know exactly what a Berid is.

[KipceakHakan23cm]

She looks quite berid - heavily alpinized brunn to me, definitely not a true paleo atlantid. I think she could pass in SW Europe much better, wouldn't have a trouble passing there.Closer to korid(kris jenner)-berid types, not brunn-paleo atlantid. Because of her eyes mainly(true unreduced CM types have neutral tilted eyes, like Calvin Harris). But to be fair the subnasion-menton distance fits the phenotype stereotype.

[Erronkari]

PA mainly but some Brunn vibe too.
Very ancient indoeuropean look (first migrations)

[Creoda]

She's utterly hideous. A 19th century caricature come to life. Given her politics I don't feel guilty about saying it.

[KipceakHakan23cm]

She's utterly hideous. A 19th century caricature come to life. Given her politics I don't feel guilty about saying it.

I agree, if she would be a man, she would look like berid-paleo sardinian guy Stephen Geoffreys, then people would stop saying she is PA + brunn lmao. but a med cm influenced.
She does look like that ancient caricature poster about the irish.

[Immanenz]

I don't know exactly what's "Afalou" about this woman but if she has such traits it makes sense because both PaleoAtlantids and Berberids (Mechta-Afalou) have the particularity of being cromagnon types, and if anything berberids are purer in this regard. I've seen some Paleo-Atlantid examples with the berberid eyes.

Troe Plate 10
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate10.htm

maybe the best examples:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe102.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe103.jpg

other plates:
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/yb-r03.jpg

btw here the man again from Coon but Mihalski classsified him as Nordic-Med interestingly, so not all anthropologist come to same conclusions.
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/ab1-troe.jpg
Coon had his idea about Nordic/ Un-Nordic facial features, and he described "Cm features" as Irish, what you can read in Troe plate 10 Fig. 7. Fun fact Coon looked himself as a student like a darker haired Rick Astley (cant find the pic), before the Prof. got the med-ish eyebrows.


many times Berberids are indeed between local Atlanto Med + Afalao, which is basically how the more robuster Meds look like there. Paleo Sardinianare more Small Meds with arhaic features and Berids usually more mose/endo compared to the Sardinians which makes them look a bit more robuster and Alpine-ish at the same time, but thats what i observed.

[Creoda]

I agree, if she would be a man, she would look like berid-paleo sardinian guy Stephen Geoffreys, then people would stop saying she is PA + brunn lmao. but a med cm influenced.
She does look like that ancient caricature poster about the irish.
I dunno about her looking like that little gayface Geoffreys though, she has a rather big block of a head.

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Troe Plate 10
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate10.htm

maybe the best examples:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe102.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe103.jpg

other plates:
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/yb-r03.jpg

btw here the man again from Coon but Mihalski classsified him as Nordic-Med interestingly, so not all anthropologist come to same conclusions.
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/ab1-troe.jpg
Coon had his idea about Nordic/ Un-Nordic facial features, and he described "Cm features" as Irish, what you can read in Troe plate 10 Fig. 7. Fun fact Coon looked himself as a student like a darker haired Rick Astley (cant find the pic), before the Prof. got the med-ish eyebrows.


many times Berberids are indeed between local Atlanto Med + Afalao, which is basically how the more robuster Meds look like there. Paleo Sardinianare more Small Meds with arhaic features and Berids usually more mose/endo compared to the Sardinians which makes them look a bit more robuster and Alpine-ish at the same time, but thats what i observed.

From what I know Berid, Paleo-Sardinian and Coarse Mediterranid are not different at all. It is just the fact that in Iberia and Italy the type is often mixed with others or subject to alpinization, which gives this idea that a berid is "just an alpine-med" that many promote on this site. There is no real reason to believe an archaic-looking, coarse (therefore not neotenic), somewhat robust and dolichocephalic mediterranean is in its definite origin alpinoid.

[Padanian]

"Lou" sounds like a (south)east-asian surname.