Calling all Balkaners: test this calculator

[Dr_Maul]

Messing with G25, wondering if these calcs are accurate for Balkan people? Try it out



Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011,0.125205,0.1299 88,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0. 006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad,0.133742,0.12948,0.073727,0 .057494,0.0373915,0.029144,0.0094,0.007269,0.00429 5,-0.018224,-0.001543,-0.006369,0.0102575,0.017753,-0.0138435,0.0007295,0.0002605,0.0034205,0.0055305, 0.001313,0,-0.002782,0.010846,-0.0069285,0.001736
Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Greco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic,0.1301377,0.130326,0.064 2363,0.0531873,0.0370327,0.0162687,0.0073633,0.005 2307,-0.001227,0.0023087,-0.0040053,0.0096913,-0.017344,-0.009725,0.0237963,0.0143197,0.0031727,0.0040117,0 .003855,0.004919,0.0058647,0.004493,-0.002999,0.014058,-0.0012773
Eurasian_Steppe:MDA_Cimmerian,0.1001643,-0.0111707,0.042992,0.048127,-0.0266713,0.0068793,0.004465,0.0027693,-0.019975,-0.0287933,-0.007199,-0.0011993,-0.000545,-0.0191297,0.0218057,0.006983,-0.0022163,0.007137,-0.0010893,-0.0045857,-0.0117293,0.004287,-0.0002053,0.010363,-0.0017563
Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kipchak,0.0705705,-0.1269415,0.0273415,0.0046835,-0.039546,-0.00502,0.00564,0.013961,-0.003784,-0.007836,-0.012991,0.000225,0.0037165,-0.005092,0.000746,0.010607,0.007497,-0.0023435,0.005845,0.005065,-0.0101695,0.000742,-0.0027115,0.0013255,-0.002455
Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kurayly_Hun_elite_Antiquity,0. 056912,-0.302628,0.069013,-0.009367,-0.057241,-0.020917,0.001645,0.001385,0.011249,-0.006014,-0.030854,-0.007643,-0.001338,-0.000963,0.008822,-0.005304,-0.008736,-0.002914,0.000503,0.013256,-0.026453,0.00136,-0.009613,0.00482,0.005628
Roma:Roma_Balkans,0.0910587,0.06364,-0.0588307,0.0249787,-0.0187723,0.013108,0.0003917,0.0025387,0.0167027,0 .0148823,0.0003787,-0.0003497,0.0009417,0.008762,-0.0105407,-0.0052153,0.008866,0.003125,0.0015083,0.0010007,-0.0020797,0.0001237,-0.0006573,-0.0040163,-0.0012773

[Jana]

Not bad, looks good. :)

Target: Stearsolina_scaled
Distance: 2.8168% / 0.02816778

60.0 Slavic
25.2 Paleo-Balkan
13.0 Germanic
1.8 Eurasian_Steppe

[Arūnas]

Not bad, looks good. :)

Target: Stearsolina_scaled
Distance: 2.8168% / 0.02816778

60.0 Slavic
25.2 Paleo-Balkan
13.0 Germanic
1.8 Eurasian_Steppe

nice, nice term

[Nurzat]

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.6901% / 0.01690085
59.4 Slavic
28.2 Paleo-Balkan
6.8 Eurasian_Steppe
3.0 Roma
2.4 Greco-Roman
0.2 Germanic

Target: Roma:Roma_Balkans
Distance: 1.4081% / 0.01408056
38.2 Gujarati
35.4 Greco-Roman
12.6 Paleo-Balkan
12.4 Slavic
1.4 Eurasian_Steppe


without Roma, same fit but even more (Eur)Asian Steppe:

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.7087% / 0.01708707
59.4 Slavic
26.4 Paleo-Balkan
8.2 Eurasian_Steppe
6.0 Greco-Roman


if I add Tajik:

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.5542% / 0.01554170
58.6 Slavic
30.6 Paleo-Balkan
9.6 Tajik_Rushan
1.2 Eurasian_Steppe

[Dr_Maul]

Not bad, looks good. :)

Target: Stearsolina_scaled
Distance: 2.8168% / 0.02816778

60.0 Slavic
25.2 Paleo-Balkan
13.0 Germanic
1.8 Eurasian_Steppe

Just saw your own calculator in the other thread, guess I just ended up making a much shittier version of that one :p

[Ford]

I'm a Bosnian Serb

Target: Ford
Distance: 2.0256% / 0.02025627
64.0 Slavic
29.0 Paleo-Balkan
3.0 Greco-Roman
2.4 Germanic
1.6 Eurasian_Steppe

[Jana]

Just saw your own calculator in the other thread, guess I just ended up making a much shittier version of that one :p

It's good :thumbsup:

[rothaer]

I'm not from the Balkans, but nevertheless:

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.6931% / 0.01693088
53.4 Slavic
43.0 Germanic
2.8 Paleo-Balkan
0.8 Greco-Roman

[Kaspias]

Target: Kaspias_scaled
Distance: 2.8857% / 0.02885710
34.0 Eurasian_Steppe
27.4 Greco-Roman
21.8 Slavic
16.8 Paleo-Balkan

Target: Kaspias_scaled
Distance: 2.8857% / 0.02885710
27.4 Greco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
21.8 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
19.8 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kipchak
16.8 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
14.2 Eurasian_Steppe:MDA_Cimmerian

[Hulu]

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 2.6710% / 0.02670974
55.4 Paleo-Balkan
26.6 Greco-Roman
15.4 Slavic
2.6 Eurasian_Steppe

[mariusz99]

Target: Mariusz_scaled
Distance: 2.4204% / 0.02420439
76.2 Slavic
20.0 Germanic
3.8 Eurasian_Steppe

Nice calculator.

[rothaer]

(...)

Is DEU_MA_Alemannic an average or a certain sample?

[rothaer]

double

[Ylla]

Distance: 1.8685% / 0.01868469
61.6 Paleo-Balkan
22.8 Slavic
15.6 Greco-Roman

[Dr_Maul]

Is DEU_MA_Alemannic an average or a certain sample?

average, of 3 samples

[rothaer]

average, of 3 samples

Okay, thanks! And the same question for HUN_Avar_Szolad. Is that just AV2 or an average of AV1 and AV2?

Btw. it's a Mortimer-friendly calculator. :)

[Jana]

Target: Stears_scaled
Distance: 1.2992% / 0.01299187

54.6 Slavic
21.0 Greco-Roman
14.0 Germanic
9.2 Eurasian_Steppe
1.2 Paleo-Balkan

[Freeroostah]

Target: VangosH_scaled
Distance: 2.0032% / 0.02003205
53.2 Greco-Roman
25.4 Slavic
21.4 Paleo-Balkan

[Dr_Maul]

Okay, thanks! And the same question for HUN_Avar_Szolad. Is that just AV2 or an average of AV1 and AV2?

Btw. it's a Mortimer-friendly calculator. :)

I used the average for that one too, and yes this is definitely gonna work for Roma mixed people

[Luke35]

Quite reasonable even for a Germano-Hungarian like me.

Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.2589% / 0.01258875
41.4 Germanic
27.2 Slavic
19.2 Paleo-Balkan
6.2 Greco-Roman
3.2 Roma
2.8 Eurasian_Steppe

[rothaer]

I used the average for that one too, and yes this is definitely gonna work for Roma mixed people

Thanks for explanation.

These things do plausibly explain the differences in results to Feiichy's Slavic calculator (that is stated to be designed for Balkan conditions too). There both the used Slavic and Germanic single samples were obviously selected by how they do plot. However, I actually checked for that in Davidski's North Europe PCA and they all plot as one would expect. This is not the case for all samples under a particular denomination, let it be Avar, Krakauer Berg, Alemannic etc.

[chrisbab]

Target: ChrisMom_scaled
Distance: 3.4418% / 0.03441828
51.8 Slavic
31.0 Greco-Roman
9.4 Paleo-Balkan
5.4 Eurasian_Steppe
2.4 Germanic

Target: ChrisB_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.1734% / 0.02173391
43.2 Slavic
35.6 Greco-Roman
18.4 Paleo-Balkan
2.8 Eurasian_Steppe

Target: ChrisB_scaled
Distance: 2.3479% / 0.02347919
49.6 Slavic
38.4 Greco-Roman
9.4 Paleo-Balkan
2.6 Eurasian_Steppe

[Dr_Maul]

Thanks for explanation.

These things do plausibly explain the differences in results to Feiichy's Slavic calculator (that is stated to be designed for Balkan conditions too). There both the used Slavic and Germanic single samples were obviously selected by how they do plot. However, I actually checked for that in Davidski's North Europe PCA and they all plot as one would expect. This is not the case for all samples under a particular denomination, let it be Avar, Krakauer Berg, Alemannic etc.

Yea, although in general I would stick to hers.. this was mainly a way for me to test a calculator in this region as I rarely deal with this region's genetics in the first place, to figure out the basics etc.

[migrec]

Target: migrec
Distance: 0.0292% / 0.02915770
38.4 Greco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
17.3 Eurasian_Steppe:MDA_Cimmerian
17.0 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
11.9 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
10.5 Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic
4.9 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kipchak

without 1/4 Chechen:
Target: without_chechen
Distance: 0.0320% / 0.03195374
46.8 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
25.0 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
15.3 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kipchak
11.4 Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic
1.5 Greco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial

[oszkar07]

NICE
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.2368% / 0.02236795
41.2 Slavic
31.8 Paleo-Balkan
25.6 Germanic
1.4 Eurasian_Steppe

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.2493% / 0.02249310 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.4 Slavic
31.6 Paleo-Balkan
27.0 Germanic

[rothaer]

Yea, although in general I would stick to hers.. this was mainly a way for me to test a calculator in this region as I rarely deal with this region's genetics in the first place, to figure out the basics etc.

It was however a nice contribution, so thanks for that! It's always interesting to compare results and in case of differences try to find out, what's the cause. We all can learn from this.

[Vojnik]

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Target: Vojnik_scaled
Distance: 1.6799% / 0.01679942



43.0
Slavic





33.6
Greco-Roman





22.6
Paleo-Balkan





0.8
Germanic

</tbody>

[Nurzat]

I wonder if that 10% Tajik means some Gypsy ancestry and where could it come from.

I get Tajik even when I run it with Ukrainian and Romanian only xD

[paradox]

My father

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 1.7423% / 0.01742330
38.2 Slavic
31.8 Greco-Roman
28.6 Paleo-Balkan
1.4 Eurasian_Steppe

[MandM]

Target: Wify_scaled
Distance: 3.2010% / 0.03200985
53.8 Slavic
25.2 Paleo-Balkan
10.6 Germanic
10.4 Greco-Roman

Target: Milenko
Distance: 2.0967% / 0.02096746
46.6 Slavic
31.6 Paleo-Balkan
13.2 Greco-Roman
7.2 Eurasian_Steppe
1.4 Germanic

[Nurzat]

Target: Wify_scaled
Distance: 3.2010% / 0.03200985
53.8 Slavic
25.2 Paleo-Balkan
10.6 Germanic
10.4 Greco-Roman

Target: Milenko
Distance: 2.0967% / 0.02096746
46.6 Slavic
31.6 Paleo-Balkan
13.2 Greco-Roman
7.2 Eurasian_Steppe
1.4 Germanic

wife scores like Bosnians/Croats

[MandM]

wife scores like Bosnians/Croats

She is half croatian half montenegro, I would say she got more from here dad (croatian) i suppose :noidea:


here k13 top 5

Distance to: wify
4.01198205 Moldova_average
4.08183782 Moldova_Centre
4.43813024 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.87096500 Serb_Bosnia
5.00481768 Serb

k13 modern euroasian Top 5

Distance to: wify
5.00481768 West_Balkans:Serb
5.21738440 West_Balkans:Bosniak
6.73167884 East_Balkans:Romanian
9.39066558 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
10.21723054 Pannonian:Hungarian

[Abriekman]

3/4 North Slavic 1/4 Bulgarian

Target: Cyryl_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.9720% / 0.02972019
77.6 Slavic
14.8 Greco-Roman
7.2 Roma
0.4 Paleo-Balkan

Getting Roma, because of increased west asian admixture

[hazmatnik]

Target: Aunt_scaled
Distance: 1.6731% / 0.01673136
49.0 Slavic
33.4 Paleo-Balkan
16.4 Greco-Roman
1.2 Eurasian_Steppe

Target: Grandma_scaled
Distance: 2.4827% / 0.02482740
49.8 Slavic
46.2 Paleo-Balkan
4.0 Greco-Roman

Target: Grandpa_scaled
Distance: 2.1024% / 0.02102424
50.2 Slavic
42.0 Paleo-Balkan
3.2 Greco-Roman
3.2 Roma
1.4 Eurasian_Steppe

Target: Hazmatnik_scaled
Distance: 2.3599% / 0.02359876
52.4 Slavic
28.0 Paleo-Balkan
19.6 Greco-Roman

[noricum]

Target: noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.7084% / 0.01708414
55.0 Slavic
35.4 Paleo-Balkan
8.4 Germanic
1.2 Roma

Distance to: noricum_scaled
0.04424075 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.05715949 Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011
0.06030887 Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.08345309 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.12648572 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
0.14517471 Greco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.15931199 Roma:Roma_Balkans
0.17882640 Eurasian_Steppe:MDA_Cimmerian
0.29180092 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kipchak
0.46570132 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kurayly_Hun_elite_Antiquity

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03090218 Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.06508457 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.07872717 Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011
0.09370006 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.14036009 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
0.15854592 Greco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.16955558 Roma:Roma_Balkans
0.17321532 Eurasian_Steppe:MDA_Cimmerian
0.29086841 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kipchak
0.46301442 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kurayly_Hun_elite_Antiquity

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.5821% / 0.02582139
73.0 Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic
15.4 Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011
11.6 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA

[cakmir7y]

Not from Balkan but curious

Target: Mirek_scaled
Distance: 2.0387% / 0.02038739 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.2 Slavic
23.6 Germanic
9.2 Paleo-Balkan

Distance to: Mirek_scaled
0.03326595 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.05299573 Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.05408809 Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011
0.09911031 Paleo-Balkan:HRV_IA
0.13786666 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
0.15606024 Greco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.16583191 Roma:Roma_Balkans
0.17135136 Eurasian_Steppe:MDA_Cimmerian
0.28455465 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kipchak
0.45767984 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kurayly_Hun_elite_Antiquity

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.5239% / 0.01523855
62.6 Slavic
31.6 Paleo-Balkan
3.8 Eurasian_Steppe
2.0 Greco-Roman



Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.5239% / 0.01523864
43.0 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
31.8 Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA
19.4 Slavic: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011
2.2 Eurasian_Steppe:KAZ_Kipchak
2.0 Greco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
1.6 Eurasian_Steppe:MDA_Cimmerian

[Selene]

Target: Nixie_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.8651% / 0.00865123
64.4 Slavic
14.6 Paleo-Balkan
12.8 Greco-Roman
4.4 Eurasian_Steppe
3.8 Germanic

[Jased]

Target: Nixie_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.8651% / 0.00865123
64.4 Slavic
14.6 Paleo-Balkan
12.8 Greco-Roman
4.4 Eurasian_Steppe
3.8 Germanic


Nice, can you help me vote where these mexicans pass better :) ?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?365233-Where-can-these-celebrities-from-Guadalajara-and-Los-Altos-pass-better

[vasiliki23]

Target: VASILIKI_scaled
Distance: 2.2811% / 0.02281064
54.8 Paleo-Balkan
24.2 Greco-Roman
20.8 Slavic
0.2 Roma

[Vulfgar]

Target: Vulfgar
Distance: 1.5269% / 0.01526949
38.6 Greco-Roman
35.4 Paleo-Balkan
22.8 Slavic
3.2 Roma