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A333
09-22-2021, 05:39 PM
What do you know about R1b-Z2103 ?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-70b3991a90b09c777de5cf608a864ac3
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-df859537959d5bfdda360535aeb35c78
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUMt4Z3XYAU6B58.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgR2qDtWkAAHN3p?format=png&name=large
Dr_Maul
09-22-2021, 05:50 PM
Yes Yamnaya, Afanasievo, etc
A333
09-22-2021, 06:11 PM
Yes Yamnaya, Afanasievo, etc

So where did they come from to the North Anatolia (Black Sea Coast) ?
Dr_Maul
09-22-2021, 06:27 PM
So where did they come from to the North Anatolia (Black Sea Coast) ?

From Central asia and through caucasus
bronze age
Dr_Maul
09-22-2021, 06:28 PM
double
A333
09-22-2021, 07:08 PM
From Central asia and through caucasus
bronze age

are they partially east asian ? how they was look like?
Dr_Maul
09-22-2021, 07:18 PM
are they partially east asian ? how they was look like?

Probably not

https://i.redd.it/md1y6ugi3o371.jpg
A333
09-22-2021, 07:32 PM
Probably not

https://i.redd.it/md1y6ugi3o371.jpg

they look like pontid phenotype,nice
Leto
09-22-2021, 07:54 PM
Probably not

[IMG]https://i.redd.it/md1y6ugi3o371.jpg
Too dark IMO. Almost like Pakistanis or Afghans, not like white people. Even you are probably lighter than those reconstructions.
Dr_Maul
09-22-2021, 09:08 PM
Too dark IMO. Almost like Pakistanis or Afghans, not like white people. Even you are probably lighter than those reconstructions.

Well ig they are supposed to be dark featured but yeah I think the skin is a bit too much lol
A333
09-22-2021, 09:48 PM
at least they're not pale skinned savages
Token
09-22-2021, 09:51 PM
It came to be associated with Yamnaya in the Late Eneolithic, but if i had to bet i'd say the Z2013 in present-day West Asia came in association with Anatolian languages, and thus predate the formation of Yamnaya by nearly one millennia. R1b-Z2103 was found in Sredny Stog, which most archaeologists associate with archaic PIE speakers (aka PIE before Anatolian, the most basal branch, split). Incidentally, there are archeological records of settlements of Sredny Stog chieftains in the Balkans (see Suvorovo-Novodanilovka culture) and then in Troy. Too much to be a coincidence.