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michal3141
10-07-2021, 10:17 AM
Poland vs Finland U19 football match - national anthems.
Comment, classify etc.
My comments:
Finns are northern as fuck. Extremely blond. Majority Nordid, Baltid. Honestly I don't see any Asian admix in them.
Poles are much more brown haired, though there are some blond individuals as well. Neo-Danubian, Alpinid, Pontid, Nordid, Baltid.

Starts at 11:10


https://youtu.be/sqbEAhjrsjg?t=667

Wturnerr
10-07-2021, 11:29 AM
Many Finns look somewhat foreign, there are probably many swedes and other immigrants among them.

Also footballers don't represent the whole population: they predominantly belong to the low iq, low socioeconomic classes, as shown by the excess of nordic and nordic derived phenotypes. If you search for a sample of upper middle class and intellectuals with higher intelligence you will notice the prevalence of baltid, baltic derived and alpine (even in Finland) phenotypes.

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 11:44 AM
Eastern Finno-Ugric look in Finns is more a female trait, visible cheek bones, broad face and more slant eyes, which is often highlighted by make-up. It is also obvious that athletes in most sports repesent tall people with narrow faces.

GDDR6
10-07-2021, 11:52 AM
The Finns look pretty stereotypical. East Baltic forms as Tavastid and Savolaxid mostly.
Poles Corded, Subnordids, and North Pontids
Sad about the score.

Oliver109
10-07-2021, 12:05 PM
I think the finns as a group pass better in Britain, northern UP types are more common in both countries i think than Poland.

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 12:24 PM
Many Finns look somewhat foreign, there are probably many swedes and other immigrants among them.

Also footballers don't represent the whole population: they predominantly belong to the low iq, low socioeconomic classes, as shown by the excess of nordic and nordic derived phenotypes. If you search for a sample of upper middle class and intellectuals with higher intelligence you will notice the prevalence of baltid, baltic derived and alpine (even in Finland) phenotypes.

Only 2 players have Swedish names, which in Finland doesn't mean Swedish immigrant. I noted that one of them is African.

Wturnerr
10-07-2021, 12:27 PM
Only 2 players have Swedish names, which in Finland doesn't mean Swedish immigrant. I noted that one of them is African.

Finnish-Swedes can be rightfully considered immigrants. Finland should belong to the aboriginal Finns.

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 12:28 PM
The Finns look pretty stereotypical. East Baltic forms as Tavastid and Savolaxid mostly.
Poles Corded, Subnordids, and North Pontids
Sad about the score.

What is sad? Although Finland has not much merit in soccer, during the last two years Finland has beat many European teams. So it was not a catastrophe for Poland

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 12:34 PM
Finnish-Swedes can be rightfully considered immigrants. Finland should belong to the aboriginal Finns.

In your thoughts maybe, but not in reality. As a rule of thumb 20% of Finland-Swedes fall to the eastern part of western Finns.

Using same idea 90% of the Russians in Russia are immigrants. And white Americans don't exist.

michal3141
10-07-2021, 04:41 PM
I think the finns as a group pass better in Britain, northern UP types are more common in both countries i think than Poland.

That makes sense. If we look at the map of the population density in Poland, we can see that the most populated areas are in the Southern Poland (Silesia, Lesser Poland).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/7a/51/287a511c2eb87b6a3f77ddc921acd215.gif

On the average, Poles are the closest to the Western Ukrainians and Slovaks in terms of genetics and phenotypes. Which means strong Carpathian/Alpine + Pontic influences.

Still there is much regional variety in Poland. When I visited NE-Poland (Podlachia, Sudovia) about 2 years ago I noticed they are much more Baltic-Nordic looking than the Southern Poles.

XenophobicPrussian
10-07-2021, 04:45 PM
The Finns look much more "clean featured", urban adapted and gracilized to me(probably introduced with the more urbanized Swedish Protestantization of Finland, especially #7) with the exception of #15(although he's still mostly "clean featured", whatever that means), look like they belong more in suits and ties, while the Poles look like they just got out of the caves or just finished a long day's work of planting potatoes(one looked better suited for herding sheep in the Caucasus, to be fair the first Finn looked better suited for French wine sipping but among further inspection I would guess more Mongoloid features would appear). Sorry Harkonnen.

Polish anthem wins though, even though it's German.

Finnish Swede
10-07-2021, 05:02 PM
Finnish-Swedes can be rightfully considered immigrants. Finland should belong to the aboriginal Finns.


I doubt these 2 men would agree with you.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ee/91/55/ee915553633993468e030f3506412e06--sisu-former-president.jpg

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 05:12 PM
When I visited NE-Poland (Podlachia, Sudovia) about 2 years ago I noticed they are much more Baltic-Nordic looking than the Southern Poles.

I get always top foreign allele frequency matches from NE Poland.

Finnish Swede
10-07-2021, 05:21 PM
Finns are northern as fuck. Extremely blond. Majority Nordid, Baltid. Honestly I don't see any Asian admix in them.
Poles are much more brown haired, though there are some blond individuals as well. Neo-Danubian, Alpinid, Pontid, Nordid, Baltid.

What are you talking about? Only one blond guy in Finland's team (among of players on field) ... nro 2.
And skin tone? TA is teaching that most of Finns have skin type 3 (based on numbers of skin cancers).
So pretty dark skin vs pale Europeans like Irish, British even Belgians.

Now if Poles are even darker than Finns, then just forget Finns for one whole year and simply ask/focus where that put Poles (I will not answer, I just watched the anthem of Finland). Or any other Europeans who will look as dark as Poles or even darker. As they should already look like Aliens in the eyes of Irish, British and Belgian people.

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 05:33 PM
I doubt these 2 men would agree with you.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ee/91/55/ee915553633993468e030f3506412e06--sisu-former-president.jpg

Finland is a bilingual country, have been maybe 1500 years of the last two milleniums. All Finnish citizens have fought in wars on the same side. The modern value system was created over 200 years ago on the basis of the Finnish nationality regadless of the mother language. Those people who don't understand history are pissing on it are simply ruining the future.

Harkonnen
10-07-2021, 05:39 PM
Eastern Finno-Ugric look in Finns is more a female trait, visible cheek bones, broad face and more slant eyes, which is often highlighted by make-up. It is also obvious that athletes in most sports repesent tall people with narrow faces.

You are literally living in fantasy world. There is no fucking way you see narrow faces more in sports, at least not mans sport. Football maybe little bit exception because narrow face correlates with narrow lithe build, which is important in footy where endurance and good running form is the key. Already in ice hockey you start to see more chad broad faces,

Finnish Swede
10-07-2021, 05:46 PM
Finland is a bilingual country, have been maybe 1500 years of the last two milleniums. All Finnish citizens have fought in wars on the same side. The modern value system was created over 200 years ago on the basis of the Finnish nationality regadless of the mother language. Those people who don't understand history are pissing on it are simply ruining the future.

Yes, if Finland's nationalism would ever rise into levels to really attack against Finnish Swedes (like some seems to hope in TA), I wonder could the nation/country survive from that. The wounds would become too deep. Riikka Purra is too wise even think about that. They (Perussuomalaiset) have many many other groups to focus on.

Harkonnen
10-07-2021, 05:57 PM
The Finns look much more "clean featured", urban adapted and gracilized to me(probably introduced with the more urbanized Swedish Protestantization of Finland, especially #7) with the exception of #15(although he's still mostly "clean featured", whatever that means), look like they belong more in suits and ties, while the Poles look like they just got out of the caves or just finished a long day's work of planting potatoes(one looked better suited for herding sheep in the Caucasus, to be fair the first Finn looked better suited for French wine sipping but among further inspection I would guess more Mongoloid features would appear). Sorry Harkonnen.

Polish anthem wins though, even though it's German.

Cool story bro. I watched the Euroes this summer and could literally see with my own eyes the faces more broad and chad than all others.

Finnish Swede
10-07-2021, 06:11 PM
Cool story bro. I watched the Euroes this summer and could literally see with my own eyes the faces more broad and chad than all others.

I bet he was your favorite player in team Finland?
https://images.cdn.yle.fi/image/upload/w_1200,h_800,ar_1.4998018741607666,dpr_1,c_fill/q_auto:eco,f_auto,fl_lossy/39-82723960dcc25fcc4fe


https://www.verkkouutiset.fi/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/63253366-1118x629.jpg

What a more physical game, the more he just smiled.

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 06:37 PM
You are literally living in fantasy world. There is no fucking way you see narrow faces more in sports, at least not mans sport. Football maybe little bit exception because narrow face correlates with narrow lithe build, which is important in footy where endurance and good running form is the key. Already in ice hockey you start to see more chad broad faces,

Like our only Karelian ice hockey team?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bU-CncjGMvzDaKIczKLKGOZaimKN-WLi0Gji3clUzPot-xWuLO1MCA6sKXvTweVtirscz4Btn8Zt0gtDZcwGxIarhWJaC3X Q1_2TQK0f=s1600

Oliver109
10-07-2021, 06:40 PM
That makes sense. If we look at the map of the population density in Poland, we can see that the most populated areas are in the Southern Poland (Silesia, Lesser Poland).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/7a/51/287a511c2eb87b6a3f77ddc921acd215.gif

On the average, Poles are the closest to the Western Ukrainians and Slovaks in terms of genetics and phenotypes. Which means strong Carpathian/Alpine + Pontic influences.

Still there is much regional variety in Poland. When I visited NE-Poland (Podlachia, Sudovia) about 2 years ago I noticed they are much more Baltic-Nordic looking than the Southern Poles.

Yes that is right, there is a woman at my work who is from southern Poland and has an almost Balkan sort of look, first thought she was from Albania or somewhere until i realised she had a Polish name, Poland i think has a stronger north/south divide than Germany.

XenophobicPrussian
10-07-2021, 06:49 PM
Yes that is right, there is a woman at my work who is from southern Poland and has an almost Balkan sort of look, first thought she was from Albania or somewhere until i realised she had a Polish name, Poland i think has a stronger north/south divide than Germany.
lol no. Definitely not pre-WW2 migration era Germany, but either way, just no. Poland is pretty homogenous compared to other big European countries, the only thing I'd say is they might beat out England and Spain, but compared to regional differences in France, Germany, Italy, Ukraine they don't compare.

Harkonnen
10-07-2021, 06:51 PM
I bet he was your favorite player in team Finland?


Are you saying I'm gay

https://i.imgur.com/XO3vQr7.gif

Peterski
10-07-2021, 07:07 PM
Polish anthem wins though, even though it's German.

What do you mean?

Finnish Swede
10-07-2021, 07:13 PM
Are you saying I'm gay

https://i.imgur.com/XO3vQr7.gif


Nope, more like he could be your brother (what a harder place, the better).

Harkonnen
10-07-2021, 07:34 PM
Like our only Karelian ice hockey team?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bU-CncjGMvzDaKIczKLKGOZaimKN-WLi0Gji3clUzPot-xWuLO1MCA6sKXvTweVtirscz4Btn8Zt0gtDZcwGxIarhWJaC3X Q1_2TQK0f=s1600

I'm mainly talking about high level Karelian hockey players, not low level twinks. Obviously the higher the level rises the more the broad face effect takes effect

Like these

https://i.ibb.co/9vbgXhd/ggt.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/6HRjV0N/hk.jpg (https://ibb.co/F5bRN4n)

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 08:16 PM
I'm mainly talking about high level Karelian hockey players, not low level twinks. Obviously the higher the level rises the more the broad face effect takes effect

Like these

https://i.ibb.co/9vbgXhd/ggt.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/6HRjV0N/hk.jpg (https://ibb.co/F5bRN4n)

Speak to yourself 😁 People here know who are top Finnish players at NHL.

Harkonnen
10-07-2021, 08:53 PM
Nope, more like he could be your brother (what a harder place, the better).

Some commentator in English broadcast said, Arajuuri is rock hard, then immediately corrected, meant to say rock solid.
Anyway did you notice the very pale skin of the dark haired half-Irish guy next to him :p

Favourite players. Yes, maybe Paulus. I was also very shocked when Kanerva dropped Juhani Ojala from final squad. For reasons unknown to rest mankind, I've also been fangirling Joni Kauko. He sometimes look little woggy from Chechen direction, but most of the time just plain Apache. And I swear I can see broadskull there too. His skill are bad, but that doesn't matter, when you have attitude. When he came to pitch I saw someone comment, "big lad, looks like he has killed people." And then immediately after, "put a shot over the stand and then looked at his teammates like it was their fault, nobody challenged him." Some knowledgeable Swede even noted that he has appearance and air of man escaped from Väinö Linna novel.

Harkonnen
10-07-2021, 09:10 PM
Speak to yourself 😁 People here know who are top Finnish players at NHL.

Here is quite large patch of Finnish NHLers, though not all. Most are either broadskulls or deviate towards broadskull direction. If you put them in half, top half players and bad half players, the top half players would be more broadskull

https://i.imgur.com/IIplBV9.jpg

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 09:31 PM
No idea what you try to prove by that collage, but these two are top scorers now

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQN56JJzwGzpmCLvzLTi-7VN9cmzLUWHchXTw&s

https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/headshots/current/168x168/8478420.jpg

Harkonnen
10-07-2021, 09:50 PM
Well Aho is obvious anomaly. He is one of those guys who is so ridiculously wizard-level skilled that it doesn't matter he's a twink. He's outlier and can be dropped in grand scheme of things. Rantanen is indeed broadskull chad and plays more power based game. My theory correct.

Lemminkäinen
10-07-2021, 10:24 PM
Well Aho is obvious anomaly. He is one of those guys who is so ridiculously wizard-level skilled that it doesn't matter he's a twink. He's outlier and can be dropped in grand scheme of things. Rantanen is indeed broadskull chad and plays more power based game. My theory correct.

But Rantanen has a West Finnish name and he is West Finnish.

Harkonnen
10-08-2021, 12:27 PM
But Rantanen has a West Finnish name and he is West Finnish.

What the hell is your point?

Do you have list of Ostrobotnian NHL players?

Lemminkäinen
10-08-2021, 01:15 PM
What the hell is your point?

Do you have list of Ostrobotnian NHL players?

Aho is from the west coast and Rantanen from Southwestern Finland. I don't know why you always write sbout Ostrobothnia, historically I am not Ostrobothnian, if you try to mirror it to my background.

Finnish Swede
10-09-2021, 05:42 AM
Do you have list of Ostrobotnian NHL players?


AI don't know why you always write sbout Ostrobothnia, historically I am not Ostrobothnian, if you try to mirror it to my background.


Oh, Ostrobotnia is the best area in whole Finland :p. Just listening this 1:40 - 1:43.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzsoRT9b6Cw

''Vasan veri ei vapise eikä Kauhavan rauta ruostu''. Right?

If whole Finland would had been populated by Eastern Finns (tribes), I wonder would Finns fate had been same as Karelians. Pure physical strength is not all. In the end mental strength and strong will means more (if you face enemy much bigger than yourself)

Lemminkäinen
10-09-2021, 07:21 AM
Oh, Ostrobotnia is the best area in whole Finland :p. Just listening this 1:40 - 1:43.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzsoRT9b6Cw

''Vasan veri ei vapise eikä Kauhavan rauta ruostu''. Right?

If whole Finland would had been populated by Eastern Finns (tribes), I wonder would Finns fate had been same as Karelians. Pure physical strength is not all. In the end mental strength and strong will means more (if you face enemy much bigger than yourself)

I have no ancestry from Southern Ostrobothnia and I am not Southern Ostrobothnian. However, some people have an idea of other Finns adopted from Spede Pasanen's sketches. Pasanen was a Savolaxian comedian in a typical way for them, a humourless man who made parody, but never about his kind. Typically a Tavastian or Southern Ostrobothnian said stupid things "pantihin puolet petäjäistä" and fell on slippery floor, followed by his heko-heko laugh.

Komintasavalta
10-09-2021, 07:34 AM
Let's bring back the Ancylus Lake.

https://peda.net/jokioinen/perusopetus/paanan-koulu/oppiaineet/maantieto/jro/8-luokat/8b/suomi22/4mjj/itämeren-vaiheet/ancylusjärvi/i:file/photo/7d01e01919890932e02db03bae508b0e4570ee79/itameren-vaiheet-ancylusjarvi.png

Veslan
10-09-2021, 07:58 AM
Also footballers don't represent the whole population: they predominantly belong to the low iq, low socioeconomic classes, as shown by the excess of nordic and nordic derived phenotypes. If you search for a sample of upper middle class and intellectuals with higher intelligence you will notice the prevalence of baltid, baltic derived and alpine (even in Finland) phenotypes.

It's probably more related to the body conditions than to IQ and class though. They are either ectomorphs who can run the fastest (offense and support) or mesomorphs who can block other players or are wide enough to reach the ball as the goalkeeper (defense). Baltic types have endomorph tendencies so are not so fit for football and other light sports.

Finnish Swede
10-09-2021, 08:41 AM
However, some people have an idea of other Finns adopted from Spede Pasanen's sketches. Pasanen was a Savolaxian comedian in a typical way for them, a humourless man who made parody, but never about his kind.

Or even more ... himself? Seriously I have hear that both Pasanen (and Loiri was it?) were pretty serious, boring men. Even unpleasant men face to face. So the only really fun man was the third one? The short and fat man. But he was baker, right? Not any kind of real/serious actor.

My mom has told me that Spede had tv show where was guests and they played different games. If Spede lost anybody, he always lost his temper :p

Faklon
10-09-2021, 09:13 AM
Karelians are even robust in Greece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia_Tobacco_Company

Only war veterans can smoke them, don't believe the ads with Ostrobothnian girls.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/d3/75/59d375eb8b86ed22076609ce20371cd0.jpg

Lemminkäinen
10-09-2021, 10:11 AM
Karelians are even robust in Greece.



Only war veterans can smoke them, don't believe the ads with Ostrobothnian girls.



In my youth the strongest cigarette was green North State.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JSdJs5U8lj8/Xoy3nJBcgMI/AAAAAAAAJpU/1Pr0AnjpIcYnAeJbllZE8Uh0-VhfiGxRACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/tupakki10b.jpg

I believe in ads 😁

But here a typical Ostrobothnian girl

https://www.paivanlehti.fi/content/uploads/Petra-Olli-21112017-AOP-825x433.jpg

Always trying to come on your skin.

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 11:58 AM
Or even more ... himself? Seriously I have hear that both Pasanen (and Loiri was it?) were pretty serious, boring men. Even unpleasant men face to face. So the only really fun man was the third one? The short and fat man. But he was baker, right? Not any kind of real/serious actor.

My mom has told me that Spede had tv show where was guests and they played different games. If Spede lost anybody, he always lost his temper :p

Good thing Spede never lost.

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 12:52 PM
Oh, Ostrobotnia is the best area in whole Finland :p. Just listening this 1:40 - 1:43.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzsoRT9b6Cw

''Vasan veri ei vapise eikä Kauhavan rauta ruostu''. Right?

If whole Finland would had been populated by Eastern Finns (tribes), I wonder would Finns fate had been same as Karelians. Pure physical strength is not all. In the end mental strength and strong will means more (if you face enemy much bigger than yourself)

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viljam_Pylk%C3%A4s


Tuntemattoman sotilaan kuuluisan kohtauksen, jossa Rokka tappaa noin 50 vihollista, esikuva oli Viljam Pylkkään konepistoolilla tuhoamat 83 vihollissotilasta Pertjärvellä. Asemasotavaihe alkoi JR 8:lle 1. helmikuuta 1942 Pertjärvellä Syvärin yläjuoksulla. Rintamalinja oli siellä yksittäisiä vartioasemia ja niiden välissä koskematonta metsää. Naapurirykmentti oli suomenruotsalainen JR 61 jossa palveli myös vapaaehtoisia sotilaita Ruotsista. Huhtikuun alussa neuvostoliittolaiset tekivät kovia hyökkäyksiä suomalaisten rintamalinjaa vastaan. Torjuttuaan konekiväärillään omaan asemaansa kohdistuneen hyökkäyksen Pylkäs sai määräyksen joukkueenjohtaja Einari Kokkoselta mennä auttamaan naapurirykmentin sotilaita.

Pylkäs otti mukaansa sotamies Kärkkäisen. Lumisessa maastossa lyhyillä syöksyillä Pylkäs ja Kärkkäinen etenivät JR 61:sen laitimmaiseen kenttävartioon. Tässä kohdassa hyökkäävät neuvostoliittolaiset joutuivat kahlaamaan rinnettä ylös syvässä lumessa. Pylkäs sai JR 61:sen sotilailta käyttöönsä Suomi-konepistoolin, ja Kärkkäinen useita vaihtolippaita. He syöksyivät ulommaiseen vartioasemaan. Sadat neuvostoliittolaiset hyökkäsivät ylös rinnettä jo aivan lähietäisyydellä. Pylkäs ampui konepistoolin ensimmäisen 40 patruunan lippaan tyhjäksi. Hyökkääjät kuitenkin kävivät raivoisasti eteenpäin. Pylkäs ampui konepistoolillaan lippaan toisensa perään. Pylkkään takana olevat sotilaat alkoivat tuoda ryömien lisää konepistoolin lippaita Kärkkäiselle, joka puolestaan antoi niitä Pylkkäälle.[9]

Sitten Pylkäs sai osuman neuvostoliittolaisen luodista, joka raapaisi pitkän haavan hänen päälakeensa, ja verta vuoti runsaasti. Tästä haavasta jäi hänelle arpi loppuelämäksi. Kärkkäinen aikoi lähteä nyt peräytymään, mutta Pylkäs kehotti häntä vain jatkamaan lippaiden täyttämistä. Konepistooliin tuli myös toimintahäiriö, mutta tällöin neuvostoliittolaiset olivat jo vetäytymässä. Konepistoolin piippu oli kuumentunut liikaa ja aiheutti häiriön, mutta se vaihdettiin ja Pylkäs jatkoi ampumista.

Kaikkiaan Viljam Pylkäs ampui Suomi-konepistoolillaan 17 lippaallista, 680 patruunaa. Taistelun aikana hän ampui 83 vihollista, lukumäärä varmistui kun etumaasto päästiin tutkimaan taistelun jälkeen. Pylkkäälle myönnettiin tästä taistelusta neljännen luokan vapaudenristi miekkojen kera 26. toukokuuta 1942. Saksan armeijan upseerit kuulivat tästä hyvin poikkeuksellisesta suorituksesta, ja niinpä Pylkkäälle myönnettiin myös Saksan armeijan rautaristi. Tämän kunniamerkin vastaanottoon hänet vietiin divisioonan komentaja kenraalimajuri Heiskasen autosaattueessa. Saksalainen kenraali Erfurth jakoi rautaristit, sillä tällöin myös kaksi kenraalia sai rautaristin.

http://finland-at-war.blogspot.com/2018/04/heroes-of-finland-viljam-pylkas.html


On 12th April 1942, the frontline has been relatively static in the Pertjärvi region. However, the lines were not solid dug in trenches as would appear later but more fluidly placed defensive points by both sides. Infantry Regiment 8 and Infantry Regiment 61 (a Swedish speaking Finnish regiment of some fame) were assigned to the sector and had set about creating a defensive line. The Soviets had decided to launch an attack that day and a fierce firefight erupted along the forests and fields of Pertijärvi. The flank of the 61st was being pushed hard and so Pylkäs was ordered to go assist with another soldier. As they made their way through the deep snow covered terrain, they came across a Soviet platoon attempting to move through the gap between the regiments.
Here Pylkäs set himself up on a slight hill and ordered the other soldier, by the name of Kärkkäinen, to help with the reloading. Allowing for the gap to close, Pylkäs aimed his Suomi SMG and pulled the trigger. The Soviets were completely taken by surprise, attempting to scatter in the deep snow and return fire. One of these panicked shots hit Pylkäs in the head but luckily it was a graze and only stunned him for a few seconds, enough though that Kärkkäinen considered retreating. The firefight didn’t last long and the Soviets were soon forced to retreat, leaving many behind in their wake. The firing from the SMG left the snow black and melted, Pylkäs had used over 680 rounds as well as change the barrel of his weapon.

After everything had calmed down, the dead were counted and it was discovered that the field contained 83 dead Soviets. Pylkäs’ ambushed is credited with being the decisive factor that stopped the Soviets from achieving a breakthrough. He was awarded the Cross of Liberty 4th Class for his actions. His deeds reached the ears of the Germans and upon inspecting the sight, they awarded Pylkäs with the Iron Cross 2nd Class in August 1943.


https://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/finnish-forces/37006/the-real-life-%22rokka%22-of-the-%22unknown-soldier%22


He was trained as machinegunner during his conscript military service (1933-1934) and served in this role during the Winter War, fighting in the ErP 6 (Seperate Battalion 6) "Karelian Battalion" considered as elite unit even though it had had regular infantry training. The battalion saw extremely heavy battles defending the Mannerheim Line at shores of Vuoksi river and Taipaleenjoki river, near places where Pylkäs and most of the battalion's men lived, so they were literally defending their homes. As machinegunner, Viljam had his own important role in repelling the continuous massive enemy assaults. During the war their battalion suffered casualties of over 400 men. Pylkäs lost his farm his home among the areas that Finland had to give to USSR in the peace treaty of 1940. In the Continuation War Viljam Pylkäs served in a machinegun company of Infantry Regiment 8, in same unit with young squad leader corporal Väinö Linna, future famous writer. In 1941, Pylkäs was promoted as corporal and awarded the 2nd and 1st class Medal of Liberty. In august of the same year he was given a squad of his own after the death of corporal Lehtonen ("Lehto" in the Unknown Soldier). The Infantry Regiment 8 reached it's objectives at Svir river in january 1942 and after the battles ended the regiment dug into defensive positions on february 1, starting the stationary warfare time of the regiment. The legendary event that Pylkäs is known for, occurred at Pertjärvi in April 1942 during the Soviet spring offensives at the river. The regiment was located in middle of wastelands of southern shore of Svir river where the line consisted of nothing but seperate outposts surrounded by the wilderness. On one morning of the april, after their platoon had repelled an attack, they heard yells for help and sounds of heavy gun fire from direction of neighboring regiment the Finnish-Swedish JR 61. The main attack was focused there. Platoon leader Einari Kokkonen ("Koskela" in Unknown Soldier) told Pylkäs to go see if they were leaving their positions. There was about 100 meters to the closest outpost of JR 61. Pylkäs grabbed Suomi SMG and took pvt.Kärkkäinen with him. As they approached the OP, a guard post's leader came at them yelling that the Russians were coming right onto them. Pylkäs realized the line wasn't going to hold, told to get him more SMG magazines and went to nearby LMG nest in a good spot.The Soviets were attacking already about 20 meters away as he opened fire. He emptied up magazine after another, the JR 61 soldiers crawled in the snow passing on more SMG magazines from the rear, giving them to Kärkkäinen who was refilling magazines for Pylkäs. He kept firing until the barrel overheated and was then replaced but as he continued firing the retreating enemies got out of range. Pylkäs fired 17 submachinegun magazines in total and 83 kills was later counted to his account. Even though Pylkäs was always excellent soldier in combat he never received the Mannerheim Cross because he had serious problems with the military discipline that he didn't appriciate and was therefor constantly in trouble with his superior officers. Nevertheless his actions brought him the 4th class Cross of Liberty with swords,and as Germans heard about this incident,he was also awarded the 2nd class Iron Cross. Later during the war he participated in repelling

Pylkäs was from same village as my grandfather, and remained one of his best buddies till the end. So what happened here is this, 61st Infantry Regiment shit their pants, and started fleeing in panic. However one Karelian man was able single-handedly to stop the Soviet offensive. The 61st Infantry Regiment was made up mainly of Finland-Swedes from Vaasa, Ostrobotnia. This means one Karelian equals a whole regiment of Finland Swedes from Vaasa Ostrobotnia. This is possible because there exists huge differences in spirits of men.

Finnish Swede
10-09-2021, 01:35 PM
Good thing Spede never lost.


Oh, Youtube is nice place to search old things. I found one case, but by mother actually talked about skipping rope challenges and not this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7VuBKEPvOg

Finnish Swede
10-09-2021, 01:53 PM
(https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viljam_Pylk%C3%A4s)Pylkäs was from same village as my grandfather, and remained one of his best buddies till the end. So what happened here is this, 61st Infantry Regiment shit their pants, and started fleeing in panic. However one Karelian man was able single-handedly to stop the Soviet offensive. The 61st Infantry Regiment was made up mainly of Finland-Swedes from Vaasa, Ostrobotnia. This means one Karelian equals a whole regiment of Finland Swedes from Vaasa Ostrobotnia. This is possible because there exists huge differences in spirits of men.

Harkonnen, you got me wrong. I do not blame that Eastern Finns would not be as wise, as brave or as strong. I think they are.

BUT ... there is one thing which in my understandings separate those two groups. Western Finns are more industrious. Perhaps more easy to take risks but also more active to try new things or over all start to do something. Eastern Finns needs to be lead to do that. If we compare economy structures of North Karelia (Finland) ... for example Joensuu area to Ostabothnia like Vasa area ... I think we can see this? And that's what I meant. Someone needed first to push/organize etc. Eastern Finns fight like they did ... and after that they surely did marvelous jobs individual levels.

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 02:05 PM
JR 61 fleeing at 1:44:12


https://youtu.be/56zOXAz2uFE?t=6252

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 02:17 PM
Harkonnen, you got me wrong. I do not blame that Eastern Finns would not be as wise, as brave or as strong. I think they are.

BUT ... there is one thing which in my understandings separate those two groups. Western Finns are more industrious. Perhaps more easy to take risks but also more active to try new things or over all start to do something. Eastern Finns needs to be lead to do that. If we compare economy structures of North Karelia (Finland) ... for example Joensuu area to Ostabothnia like Vasa area ... I think we can see this? And that's what I meant. Someone needed first to push/organize etc. Eastern Finns fight like they did ... and after that they surely did marvelous jobs individual levels.

Total hogwash. Obviously people living closer to sea, important tradeports, and just higher population centers, tend to have more developed economies. Truth is, especially Savonian piällysmiehet are most industrious and lead almost everything in Finland. You do understand there's huge number of East Finns living in West Finland, trailblazing in almost every area of progress.

Finnish Swede
10-09-2021, 02:37 PM
Total hogwash. Obviously people living closer to sea, important tradeports, and just higher population centers, tend to have more developed economies. Truth is, especially Savonian piällysmiehet are most industrious and lead almost everything in Finland. You do understand there's huge number of East Finns living in West Finland, trailblazing in almost every area of progress.

A population center? A sea? Well, less than 250km from eastern border is a city where lives much more people than in whole Finland.

I see. Now I understand why I have seen few Ville Galle's looking Finns even in Ostrobothnia and not only Jare's (Joakim Brand).

https://img.ilcdn.fi/lFJwgVn6Pfw0L6VNcssHUsYnU7s=/full-fit-in/612x0/img-s3.ilcdn.fi/65816abcb164eb33adb98cd3983d47b7ed39d21bd7dab08223 34c8c4d885289f.jpg


https://images.cdn.yle.fi/image/upload/f_auto,fl_progressive/q_80/w_620,h_349,c_fill,g_faces/w_400/v[img]1522224764/13-3-7559848.jpg
https://inka-i.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/ELLE-2019-JVG-10.jpg


I guess they have arrived from east.

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 03:07 PM
A population center? A sea? Well, less than 250km from eastern border is a city where lives much more people than in whole Finland.

I see. Now I understand why I have seen few Ville Galles looking Finns even in Ostrobothnia. I guess they have arrived from east.

Indeed, why the hell you think Viipuri was the most important economic center of Finland before the wars.

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 03:10 PM
If Spede was such unpleasant man, how cum he banged every Miss Finland for about 30 years?

Finnish Swede
10-09-2021, 03:20 PM
If Spede was such unpleasant man, how cum he banged every Miss Finland for about 30 years?

Why every miss about last 30 years visited his ''bahamas house?
https://i.media.fi/incoming/5856176.jpg/alternates/FREE_1440/5856176.jpg

Spede was still a man opposite that scumback ''American Finn''.

But to benefit someway. Many got roles in Spede's films or other projects? Got their faces more in magazines etc. Spede also knew people. But note, none of those married him ... as they tend to do with NHL hockey players.

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 03:54 PM
A population center? A sea? Well, less than 250km from eastern border is a city where lives much more people than in whole Finland.

I see. Now I understand why I have seen few Ville Galle's looking Finns even in Ostrobothnia and not only Jare's (Joakim Brand).

https://img.ilcdn.fi/lFJwgVn6Pfw0L6VNcssHUsYnU7s=/full-fit-in/612x0/img-s3.ilcdn.fi/65816abcb164eb33adb98cd3983d47b7ed39d21bd7dab08223 34c8c4d885289f.jpg


https://images.cdn.yle.fi/image/upload/f_auto,fl_progressive/q_80/w_620,h_349,c_fill,g_faces/w_400/v[img]1522224764/13-3-7559848.jpg
https://inka-i.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/ELLE-2019-JVG-10.jpg


I guess they have arrived from east.

If sexual selection works at full force sumtimes chad-looks can spread even without spread of autosomaDNA. Sean Bergenheim looks chad also. Curiously waifu Vilma Helminen has some anti-chad features about her

https://i.imgur.com/w8bHEQG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IASb8Te.jpg

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 07:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYE54ykT9g

Finnish Swede
10-09-2021, 08:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYE54ykT9g


Hietanen was from Western Finland Åbo?


https://youtu.be/FDwiuz9oZXk

Harkonnen
10-09-2021, 09:14 PM
What are Abos. Australoids from Australia? I thought only Turks live in Western Finland.

So story goes that he was Turk. According to maps
https://www.tuomas.salste.net/suku/nimi/hietanen.html

Hietanen's have strongest presence in Masku near Turkia indeed, but then surprisingly 2nd strongest gang found in Kolari Lapland. Then Loppi and Iitti, Tavastia. BUT when you travel to 1540's there were exactly 2 Hietanen's. One in Kalajoki, Ostrobotnia, and the other in Lappee, South Karelia. Plot thickens.