myOriginsv3 contradiction?

[Mont]

I decided to do FTDNA, so I uploaded my raw data, paid the price and then... it comes kinda different. Here are the results:

Europe 94%
- Iberian peninsula 59%
- Italian peninsula 28%
- Greece & Balkans 6%
- East slavic <2%

Americas 3%
- Amerindian - Central & South Mexico 2%
- Amerindian - Argentina & Chile 1%
- Amerindian - Andes & Caribbean <1%

Middle East & North Africa <2%
- Southern levant <2%
- Anatolia, Armenia & Mesopotamia <1%

Africa <1%
- Western Lake Victoria Basin <1%


Now, compare those results with the ones I got from DNA.land, for example:

41% Southwestern European
20% Mediterranean Islander
20% North Slavic
16% Northwestern European
1.1% Ambiguous West Eurasian
1.7% Native American

I also got, in other tests: Jewish (duh), East european, and even some similarity with balkan folks in some oracles. Now I'm honestly confused: Which one should I trust? Is FTDNA the accurate one?

[Leto]

You seem to be almost entirely Portuguese, Italian and Sephardic in that order.

[Mont]

You seem to be almost entirely Portuguese, Italian and Sephardic in that order.

Perhaps, It's a possibility that is backed up by some tests, but there are others like Genera that gave me a high east european (10%), plus the oracles that give me some ashkenazi (it's also the only viable explanation that I have for those east european % appearing).

[Tongio]

How is It that you are jewish?Do these companies have no jewish category?

[Leto]

Perhaps, It's a possibility that is backed up by some tests, but there are others like Genera that gave me a high east european (10%), plus the oracles that give me some ashkenazi (it's also the only viable explanation that I have for those east european % appearing).
What do you get from Eurogenes K13? It actually might be more conclusive than these commercial tests.

[Mont]

How is It that you are jewish?Do these companies have no jewish category?

They do have, but I only get them in some. Now, about my jewish ancestry, it's all proven by my haplogroup + the fact that I do have jewish-related surnames in my ancestry + majority of tests giving jewish in the results.

But in my case, I'm prolly not accepted as a "true jew" by the rabbinical jews, but I am by the karaites (as all my jewishness comes from father's side as far as I know).

[Mont]

What do you get from Eurogenes K13? It actually might be more conclusive than these commercial tests.

Yes and no, the GEDmatch calculators use very little SNPs (Eurogenes K13 for me uses only 57k SNPs), but I like the method they use to calculate.

Here are some of the results from GEDmatch calculators, including Eurogenes K13:

Eurogenes K13
1 French_Basque + Kumyk + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 5.229177
2 French_Basque + Kumyk + South_Dutch + Tunisian @ 5.254034
3 French_Basque + Kumyk + Mozabite_Berber + West_German @ 5.272460
4 Algerian + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Tabassaran @ 5.272564

MDLP K23b
1 Colombian_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 3.318681
2 Belarusian_West_ + Colombian_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Libyan_Jew_ @ 3.319812
3 Colombian_ + Don_cossack_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Libyan_Jew_ @ 3.324579
4 Colombian_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Ukrainian_East_ @ 3.330343

puntDNAL K15
1 Lithuanian + Basque + North_Ossetian + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.010568
2 Lithuanian + Basque + Balkar + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.035484
3 Belarusian + Basque + Balkar + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.064567
4 Belarusian + Basque + Chechen + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.129555

HarappaWorld
1 ashkenazi_harappa + bulgarian_yunusbayev + puerto-rican_1000genomes + spaniard_behar @ 1.810687
2 druze_hgdp + puerto-rican_1000genomes + slovenian_xing + spain-basc_henn2012 @ 1.846497
3 basque_hgdp + druze_hgdp + puerto-rican_1000genomes + slovenian_xing @ 1.881184
4 ashkenazi_harappa + puerto-rican_1000genomes + romanian-a_behar + spaniard_behar @ 1.901783

[Mont]

Accidentally sent the same message twice, so here (the second message) I'm gonna say one thing I noticed: the calculators on GEDmatch always gives some semitic in oracles, whether jewish or arab, which is another contradiction with the FTDNA results.

[Tongio]

They do have, but I only get them in some. Now, about my jewish ancestry, it's all proven by my haplogroup + the fact that I do have jewish-related surnames in my ancestry + majority of tests giving jewish in the results.

But in my case, I'm prolly not accepted as a "true jew" by the rabbinical jews, but I am by the karaites (as all my jewishness comes from father's side as far as I know).

I understand , that is very interesting ,is your father's line colonial from São Paulo?Would you mind telling me the ancestral surname If you know( maybe on the private)?I am interested cause I am also part colonial São Paulo (1/4)working on my tree, and althought no test gave me jewish I know that I have some distant sephardic too from the 16th century colonial northeast( google for Branca Dias If you are interested , she is my ancestor).

[Leto]

Yes and no, the GEDmatch calculators use very little SNPs (Eurogenes K13 for me uses only 57k SNPs), but I like the method they use to calculate.

Here are some of the results from GEDmatch calculators, including Eurogenes K13:

Eurogenes K13
1 French_Basque + Kumyk + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 5.229177
2 French_Basque + Kumyk + South_Dutch + Tunisian @ 5.254034
3 French_Basque + Kumyk + Mozabite_Berber + West_German @ 5.272460
4 Algerian + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Tabassaran @ 5.272564

MDLP K23b
1 Colombian_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 3.318681
2 Belarusian_West_ + Colombian_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Libyan_Jew_ @ 3.319812
3 Colombian_ + Don_cossack_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Libyan_Jew_ @ 3.324579
4 Colombian_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Ukrainian_East_ @ 3.330343

puntDNAL K15
1 Lithuanian + Basque + North_Ossetian + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.010568
2 Lithuanian + Basque + Balkar + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.035484
3 Belarusian + Basque + Balkar + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.064567
4 Belarusian + Basque + Chechen + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.129555

HarappaWorld
1 ashkenazi_harappa + bulgarian_yunusbayev + puerto-rican_1000genomes + spaniard_behar @ 1.810687
2 druze_hgdp + puerto-rican_1000genomes + slovenian_xing + spain-basc_henn2012 @ 1.846497
3 basque_hgdp + druze_hgdp + puerto-rican_1000genomes + slovenian_xing @ 1.881184
4 ashkenazi_harappa + puerto-rican_1000genomes + romanian-a_behar + spaniard_behar @ 1.901783
Please show me the components from Euro K13 and Dodecad World9.

[Mont]

I understand , that is very interesting ,is your father's line colonial from São Paulo?Would you mind telling me the ancestral surname If you know( maybe on the private)?I am interested cause I am also part colonial São Paulo (1/4)working on my tree, and althought no test gave me jewish I know that I have some distant sephardic too from the 16th century colonial northeast( google for Branca Dias If you are interested , she is my ancestor).

The father of the father of my father is colonial from São Paulo, yeah, and I don't know much about him, only that he was from Dourado and his surname was Pires de Almeida. I also have from father's side some people with the surname Galante (jewish pedigree of Italy).

[Mont]

Please show me the components from Euro K13 and Dodecad World9.
Here they are my friend, unfortunately they are pretty shitty when comapred to the Oracle (for example, they inflate my amerindian percentage A LOT).


Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 28.77 Pct
Baltic 10.46 Pct
West_Med 21.59 Pct
West_Asian 9.91 Pct
East_Med 15.01 Pct
Red_Sea 2.78 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.13 Pct
Amerindian 4.09 Pct
Oceanian 1.14 Pct
Northeast_African 2.17 Pct
Sub-Saharan 2.97 Pct

Dodecad World9
Amerindian 3.87 Pct
East_Asian -
African 4.25 Pct
Atlantic_Baltic 49.84 Pct
Australasian 0.98 Pct
Siberian 1.13 Pct
Caucasus_Gedrosia 14.26 Pct
Southern 25.68 Pct
South_Asian -

[Leto]

Here they are my friend, unfortunately they are pretty shitty when comapred to the Oracle (for example, they inflate my amerindian percentage A LOT).


Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 28.77 Pct
Baltic 10.46 Pct
West_Med 21.59 Pct
West_Asian 9.91 Pct
East_Med 15.01 Pct
Red_Sea 2.78 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.13 Pct
Amerindian 4.09 Pct
Oceanian 1.14 Pct
Northeast_African 2.17 Pct
Sub-Saharan 2.97 Pct

Dodecad World9
Amerindian 3.87 Pct
East_Asian -
African 4.25 Pct
Atlantic_Baltic 49.84 Pct
Australasian 0.98 Pct
Siberian 1.13 Pct
Caucasus_Gedrosia 14.26 Pct
Southern 25.68 Pct
South_Asian -
Thanks.
You are indeed a bit less white according to Gedmatch (still white IMO being almost 90% Cauc). Some black is always contained in the Iberian components of commerial DNA tests. Do you think 4% Native is that unrealistic for you?

Target: Mont(Brazilian)
Distance: 0.9473% / 0.94732900 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.8 Spanish_Extremadura
24.4 Italian_Veneto
18.3 Italian_Emilia
9.6 Ossetian
4.0 San
2.5 Mayan
1.9 North_Amerindian
0.8 Papuan
0.7 Dargin

According to Vahaduo you have more Italian than Portuguese.

[Tongio]

The father of the father of my father is colonial from São Paulo, yeah, and I don't know much about him, only that he was from Dourado and his surname was Pires de Almeida. I also have from father's side some people with the surname Galante (jewish pedigree of Italy).

Dourado right in the middle of SP. Good to know the surnames , Muito obrigado. I did already imagine some distant semitic origin of some Almeidas(cause of the etymology) the Galante I didnt knew it was of jewish origin.

[Mont]

Thanks.
You are indeed a bit less white according to Gedmatch (still white IMO being almost 90% Cauc). Some black is always contained in the Iberian components of commerial DNA tests. Do you think 4% Native is that unrealistic for you?

Target: Mont(Brazilian)
Distance: 0.9473% / 0.94732900 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.8 Spanish_Extremadura
24.4 Italian_Veneto
18.3 Italian_Emilia
9.6 Ossetian
4.0 San
2.5 Mayan
1.9 North_Amerindian
0.8 Papuan
0.7 Dargin

According to Vahaduo you have more Italian than Portuguese.

Yes, 4% is unrealistic, especially because the GEDmatch calculators use 10x less SNPs than the number of SNPs in my raw data. If they used more I would prolly consider that as realistic.

By the way, fun fact: the calculator that uses the most SNPs (atleast for me) is Eurogenes K15.