Would a Swedish-Portuguese mix cluster in France? And would a Swedish-Greek mix cluster in Hungary?

[Tooting Carmen]

Let us discuss.

[Damião de Góis]

I did an average of my G25 and the swedish sample and came up with these distances:

Distance to: Damiao_Swe
0.01711740 Belgian
0.01758823 French_Nord
0.01878400 French_Alsace
0.01914799 Afrikaner
0.02162869 Swiss_German
0.02283077 French_Paris
0.02344800 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02449155 French_Brittany
0.02507171 German
0.02714771 French_Occitanie
0.02839725 Welsh
0.02851301 English_Cornwall
0.02852693 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03000343 English
0.03006854 Austrian
0.03015111 French_Auvergne
0.03079455 Dutch
0.03210506 Orcadian
0.03258842 Scottish
0.03563853 Swiss_French
0.03687472 Irish
0.03750814 French_Provence
0.03792270 Danish
0.03869719 Shetlandic
0.03941625 Hungarian

[Tooting Carmen]

I did an average of my G25 and the swedish sample and came up with these distances:

Distance to: Damiao_Swe
0.01711740 Belgian
0.01758823 French_Nord
0.01878400 French_Alsace
0.01914799 Afrikaner
0.02162869 Swiss_German
0.02283077 French_Paris
0.02344800 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02449155 French_Brittany
0.02507171 German
0.02714771 French_Occitanie
0.02839725 Welsh
0.02851301 English_Cornwall
0.02852693 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03000343 English
0.03006854 Austrian
0.03015111 French_Auvergne
0.03079455 Dutch
0.03210506 Orcadian
0.03258842 Scottish
0.03563853 Swiss_French
0.03687472 Irish
0.03750814 French_Provence
0.03792270 Danish
0.03869719 Shetlandic
0.03941625 Hungarian

So Belgian and Northern French would come closest to a Swedish-Luso mix?

[Damião de Góis]

So Belgian and Northern French would come closest to a Swedish-Luso mix?

In theory it could be something like that. My experiment is not 100% accurate but maybe it's not far.

[Tooting Carmen]

In theory it could be something like that. My experiment is not 100% accurate but maybe it's not far.

Also, how come Afrikaners score much closer than do Dutch? Aren't they largely the same people (genetically)?

[Tongio]

Also, how come Afrikaners score much closer than do Dutch? Aren't they largely the same people (genetically)?

There was French Huguenot and german elements present at the formation of the afrikaner ethnicity so they are not just dutch in origin.

[Cernunnos]

There was French Huguenot and german elements present at the formation of the afrikaner ethnicity so they are not just dutch in origin.

Also SSA.

[alnortedelsur]

One of my US American born nieces, who was tested in 23andme (I have posted her results earlier on this forum) and she is half mostly Spanish (my full sister's side) and her other half mostly British coming from her white Murican father's side, she clusters in/around France. So I guess that's right.

[Sterling Archer]

Half Greek, half Swedish guy.
Y-DNA: J-M172

Eurogenese K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.31
2 Baltic 20.05
3 East_Med 18.14
4 West_Asian 13.84
5 West_Med 11.57
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Amerindian 2.08
8 Oceanian 0.87

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 8.79
2 Serbian 9.53
3 Bulgarian 10.55
4 Hungarian 13.96
5 Greek_Thessaly 14.77
6 Austrian 15.22
7 Moldavian 15.56
8 West_German 15.78
9 North_Italian 16.17
10 Tuscan 16.26
11 French 16.69
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.92
13 Croatian 17.43
14 South_Dutch 17.64
15 East_German 17.74
16 Portuguese 19.51
17 West_Sicilian 19.62
18 Central_Greek 19.73
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.5
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.5


Dodekad K12b:

Gedrosia 9.25 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.66 Pct
North_European 33.43 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.29 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.1 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Romanian?
4.82311103 Moldovan_South
5.21053740 Montenegrin
5.34051496 Bulgarian_West
5.74108004 Bulgarian_Central
5.80943199 Macedonian_Polog
6.14525833 Pomak_Bulgaria
6.56746526 Moldovan_Gagauz
6.76184147 Greek_Macedonia
7.01685827 Macedonian_East
7.05117721 Bulgarian_East
7.37248262 Macedonian_Vardar
7.45576287 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
7.47405512 Serb
8.05517225 Pomak_Greece
8.37164858 Macedonian_South
8.79377621 Moldovan_Central
9.31700059 Italian_Friuli_VG
9.63591719 Turk_Deliorman
9.94951255 Albanian_Kosovo
10.15375300 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
10.39808155 Turk_Makedonya
10.91565390 Bulgarian_Thrace
11.02936535 Bosnian
11.79649524 Greek_Thessaly
11.87292719 Italian_Veneto

Distance to:
0.81320947 64.40% German + 35.60% Greek_Cappadocia
1.03695391 40.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 59.60% Swedish
1.88739589 67.40% German_Northwest + 32.60% Greek_Pontus
1.94927371 60.00% Danish + 40.00% Greek_Cappadocia
1.95131025 64.40% Danish + 35.60% Greek_Pontus
2.23527092 63.20% German_Northwest + 36.80% Greek_Cappadocia
2.28000684 78.60% Bulgarian_East + 21.40% Irish
2.30271060 32.20% Armenian_West + 67.80% German
2.30499804 55.60% German + 44.40% Greek_Crete
2.31949688 36.00% Greek_Pontus + 64.00% Swedish
2.32901436 31.80% Armenian_East + 68.20% Dutch
2.33067307 78.00% Bulgarian_East + 22.00% Scottish
2.35494289 20.00% Irish + 80.00% Moldovan_Gagauz
2.35562124 68.60% German + 31.40% Greek_Pontus
2.37659234 67.20% German_Northwest + 32.80% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.37918160 79.40% Moldovan_Gagauz + 20.60% Scottish
2.40519905 70.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 29.80% Icelandic
2.42428855 79.60% Greek_Macedonia + 20.40% Irish
2.42454408 70.00% Dutch + 30.00% Greek_Pontus
2.45746502 78.80% Greek_Macedonia + 21.20% Scottish
2.48188931 49.20% German + 50.80% Greek_Lemnos
2.48851161 53.60% German + 46.40% Greek_Izmir
2.49894040 49.60% Greek_Crete + 50.40% Swedish
2.54109099 34.20% Armenian_East + 65.80% German_Northwest
2.54163255 80.00% Greek_Macedonia + 20.00% Icelandic

[Tooting Carmen]

Half Greek, half Swedish guy.
Y-DNA: J-M172

Eurogenese K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.31
2 Baltic 20.05
3 East_Med 18.14
4 West_Asian 13.84
5 West_Med 11.57
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Amerindian 2.08
8 Oceanian 0.87

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 8.79
2 Serbian 9.53
3 Bulgarian 10.55
4 Hungarian 13.96
5 Greek_Thessaly 14.77
6 Austrian 15.22
7 Moldavian 15.56
8 West_German 15.78
9 North_Italian 16.17
10 Tuscan 16.26
11 French 16.69
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.92
13 Croatian 17.43
14 South_Dutch 17.64
15 East_German 17.74
16 Portuguese 19.51
17 West_Sicilian 19.62
18 Central_Greek 19.73
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.5
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.5


Dodekad K12b:

Gedrosia 9.25 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.66 Pct
North_European 33.43 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.29 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.1 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Romanian?
4.82311103 Moldovan_South
5.21053740 Montenegrin
5.34051496 Bulgarian_West
5.74108004 Bulgarian_Central
5.80943199 Macedonian_Polog
6.14525833 Pomak_Bulgaria
6.56746526 Moldovan_Gagauz
6.76184147 Greek_Macedonia
7.01685827 Macedonian_East
7.05117721 Bulgarian_East
7.37248262 Macedonian_Vardar
7.45576287 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
7.47405512 Serb
8.05517225 Pomak_Greece
8.37164858 Macedonian_South
8.79377621 Moldovan_Central
9.31700059 Italian_Friuli_VG
9.63591719 Turk_Deliorman
9.94951255 Albanian_Kosovo
10.15375300 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
10.39808155 Turk_Makedonya
10.91565390 Bulgarian_Thrace
11.02936535 Bosnian
11.79649524 Greek_Thessaly
11.87292719 Italian_Veneto

Distance to:
0.81320947 64.40% German + 35.60% Greek_Cappadocia
1.03695391 40.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 59.60% Swedish
1.88739589 67.40% German_Northwest + 32.60% Greek_Pontus
1.94927371 60.00% Danish + 40.00% Greek_Cappadocia
1.95131025 64.40% Danish + 35.60% Greek_Pontus
2.23527092 63.20% German_Northwest + 36.80% Greek_Cappadocia
2.28000684 78.60% Bulgarian_East + 21.40% Irish
2.30271060 32.20% Armenian_West + 67.80% German
2.30499804 55.60% German + 44.40% Greek_Crete
2.31949688 36.00% Greek_Pontus + 64.00% Swedish
2.32901436 31.80% Armenian_East + 68.20% Dutch
2.33067307 78.00% Bulgarian_East + 22.00% Scottish
2.35494289 20.00% Irish + 80.00% Moldovan_Gagauz
2.35562124 68.60% German + 31.40% Greek_Pontus
2.37659234 67.20% German_Northwest + 32.80% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.37918160 79.40% Moldovan_Gagauz + 20.60% Scottish
2.40519905 70.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 29.80% Icelandic
2.42428855 79.60% Greek_Macedonia + 20.40% Irish
2.42454408 70.00% Dutch + 30.00% Greek_Pontus
2.45746502 78.80% Greek_Macedonia + 21.20% Scottish
2.48188931 49.20% German + 50.80% Greek_Lemnos
2.48851161 53.60% German + 46.40% Greek_Izmir
2.49894040 49.60% Greek_Crete + 50.40% Swedish
2.54109099 34.20% Armenian_East + 65.80% German_Northwest
2.54163255 80.00% Greek_Macedonia + 20.00% Icelandic

Wow, the person's closest match was Romania? I thought it would be somewhere more central in Europe than that.

[TheMaestro]

Yes