Cal Tyson Fury pass in Southern Europe?

[Methuselah]

Can he pass?
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Tyson with his brother
https://i.ibb.co/vqQNvp7/Tyson-Fury-Tommy-Fury.png

[Vrazijadivizija]

Yes

[Oliver109]

no, head too wide

[Methuselah]

Yes

Which part? What about his brother?

[Immanenz]

no, head too wide

lol, no. Armenoids, Dinarids can have the widest heads possible, but their faces are narrow, soemtimes to an extreme. Its the facial and overall robustness you mean

[TheMaestro]

no, head too wide

Another BS claim, you there any planet heads in Italy/Greece and Albania

[Grace O'Malley]

They are half-brothers so different mothers. Tyson is of fully Irish (Traveller) heritage. His brother is only half with his mother being Mauritian.

[Oliver109]

lol, no. Armenoids, Dinarids can have the widest heads possible, but their faces are narrow, soemtimes to an extreme. Its the facial and overall robustness you mean

Its the massiveness more than anything and his face being wide too, i had a thread on this topic a few months back mentioning how UP types in the Med are generally reduced and don't tend to have a large head like Tysons, his brother actually passes well in the Med(is it the same parents?) interestingly the British UP types i think are more robust in general than those from Ireland from what i have seen, Tyson is only partly Irish and a lot of his ancestry is from Ulster.

[Methuselah]

They are half-brothers so different mothers. Tyson is of fully Irish (Traveller) heritage. His brother is only half with his mother being Mauritian.

Yeah his brother looks a bit Arab or Jewish and more Asian overall. I think both can pass in Turkey for instance, no?

[Grace O'Malley]

Its the massiveness more than anything and his face being wide too, i had a thread on this topic a few months back mentioning how UP types in the Med are generally reduced and don't tend to have a large head like Tysons, his brother actually passes well in the Med(is it the same parents?) interestingly the British UP types i think are more robust in general than those from Ireland from what i have seen, Tyson is only partly Irish and a lot of his ancestry is from Ulster.

Tyson is fully Irish as in both parents are Irish. What's being from Ulster got to do with it as at any rate he is Traveller? His father is from Galway and his maternal grandmother is from Tipperary so it's only his mother's father who is from Ulster. Also this UP stuff is complete fantasy.

[Methuselah]

no, head too wide

Well he could at least pass as some British-Southern mix. You are yourself half Spanish right?

[Oliver109]

Tyson is fully Irish as in both parents are Irish. What's being from Ulster got to do with it as at any rate he is Traveller? His father is from Galway and his maternal grandmother is from Tipperary so it's only his mother's father who is from Ulster. Also this UP stuff is complete fantasy.

Ulster has had considerable British migration for a long time, so their genetics are somewhat different from southern Ireland. As for UP types well it cannot be a coincidence that all the worlds strongest men(i know he does not take part in those competitions but he is still someone of considerable strength) come from countries with large robust types like Britain, Poland, the Baltics etc. There is clearly a physical type that is unique to N Europe.

[Oliver109]

Well he could at least pass as some British-Southern mix. You are yourself half Spanish right?

Maybe 1/4 Spanish but i don't know enough half Spaniards to be certain, i think he could certainly pass for half Italian but then i will say that no full Italians would look like him i think.

[Immanenz]

Its the massiveness more than anything and his face being wide too, i had a thread on this topic a few months back mentioning how UP types in the Med are generally reduced and don't tend to have a large head like Tysons, his brother actually passes well in the Med(is it the same parents?) interestingly the British UP types i think are more robust in general than those from Ireland from what i have seen, Tyson is only partly Irish and a lot of his ancestry is from Ulster.

So now Brits are robuster than Irish- or i cant follow you any more ?

Obv. a Bell Beaker type and looks like Danish Mesolithic Borreby mixed with South Russian Vladimir Korneev- so the Steppe Gods are with him
(since i was asked by Op if he can pass in the south- for a Finn anything that doesnt looks platinum blonde VURish Tavastid looks southern :D thats another level)

[Oliver109]

So now Brits are robuster than Irish- or i cant follow you any more ?

Obv. a Bell Beaker type and looks like Danish Borreby mixed with South Russian Vladimir Korneev- so the Steppe Gods are with him
(since i was asked by Op if he can pass in the south- for a Finn anything that doesnt looks platinum blonde VURish Tavastid looks southern :D thats another level)
Individual Brits may be more robust than the robustest Irish but Irish are more robust on the whole, UP types also peak in the UK so it would not surprise me that some may well surpass the dimensions that appear in the Irish, without scientific data though i cannot say much more.

[Methuselah]

So now Brits are robuster than Irish- or i cant follow you any more ?

Obv. a Bell Beaker type and looks like Danish Borreby mixed with South Russian Vladimir Korneev- so the Steppe Gods are with him
(since i was asked by Op if he can pass in the south- for a Finn anything that doesnt looks platinum blonde VURish Tavastid looks southern :D thats another level)

Having Russian roots myself i can say that yes he looks a bit Slavic too. I just see some Southern influence in him, i would imagine that some Northern Southern mixes could look like him. Like this British rapper The Streets for instance:
https://i.ibb.co/C1NfMdQ/7548.jpg

[Jana]

He can pass in Croatia if you consider it southern Europe. But I don't see anything especially southern about his looks - just looks like an ordinary Irish dude to me.

[Oliver109]

Well he could at least pass as some British-Southern mix. You are yourself half Spanish right?

Maybe 1/4 Spanish but i don't know enough half Spaniards to be certain, i think he could certainly pass for half Italian but then i will say that no full Italians would look like him i think.

[Grace O'Malley]

Ulster has had considerable British migration for a long time, so their genetics are somewhat different from southern Ireland. As for UP types well it cannot be a coincidence that all the worlds strongest men(i know he does not take part in those competitions but he is still someone of considerable strength) come from countries with large robust types like Britain, Poland, the Baltics etc. There is clearly a physical type that is unique to N Europe.

Ulster genetics are not different from Ireland. Most of the planted people were Scots in the majority. There was no UP survival in Ireland or Britain so where are these UPs supposed to be from?

I've posted this many times on here with a dendrogram and a cluster plot of Ireland and Britain.

https://media.irishpost.co.uk/uploads/2018/01/dd.png

Travellers however are more distinctive due to endogamy and drift.

Here's one with Travellers included.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/PCA_of_Irish_Travellers%2C_and_Irish_and_British_I ndividuals.png

[Oliver109]

Ulster genetics are not different from Ireland. Most of the planted people were Scots in the majority. There was no UP survival in Ireland or Britain so where are these UPs supposed to be from?

I've posted this many times on here with a dendrogram and a cluster plot or Ireland and Britain.

https://media.irishpost.co.uk/uploads/2018/01/dd.png

Travellers however are more distinctive due to endogamy and drift.

Here's one with Travellers included.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/PCA_of_Irish_Travellers%2C_and_Irish_and_British_I ndividuals.png

UP survival i think can be mapped by the presence of robust types and pale types, this strongman from Ukraine has many of the charectaristic Irish UP features, https://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/static/ecaf8ff3a20465df5d46cde8a6550331/dec0e/OLEKSII_NOVIKOV_460x575_4x5.jpg This type of man is virtually absent from classic Med countries like Portugal and Spain.

[Immanenz]

UP survival i think can be mapped by the presence of robust types and pale types, this strongman from Ukraine has many of the charectaristic Irish UP features, This type of man is virtually absent from classic Med countries like Portugal and Spain.

you want to proof where the Proto Irish came from? Ukraine isnt even that bad https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/classics/warwickclassicsnetwork/romancoventry/resources/prehistoricbritain/bronzeage/

Robustness here / there- the head form of this Ukraine has little to do with the original WHGs, just being robust is not enough.

Paleness has nothing to do with cranial traits also.
The french Cro Magnon is deemed to be very dark
https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/cromag1

[Xacal]

As typical in France and Northern Italy

[Oliver109]

you want to proof where the Proto Irish came from? Ukraine isnt even that bad https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/classics/warwickclassicsnetwork/romancoventry/resources/prehistoricbritain/bronzeage/

Robustness here / there- the head form of this Ukraine has little to do with the original WHGs, just being robust is not enough.

Paleness has nothing to do with cranial traits also.
The french Cro Magnon is deemed to be very dark
https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/cromag1

Ukrainians and Irish seem to share certain traits as do other E Euros as our Grace O' Malley pointed out in a thread on here, V pale skin is more evident in some slavic populations too and robustness is something also seen. While Bell Beakers were also present in Spain they did not seem to spread the pale or robust gene there that much, how old paleness is i don't know but there is nothing to suggest that the original CMs were that different to Native Americans in pigmentation.

[Oliver109]

you want to proof where the Proto Irish came from? Ukraine isnt even that bad https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/classics/warwickclassicsnetwork/romancoventry/resources/prehistoricbritain/bronzeage/

Robustness here / there- the head form of this Ukraine has little to do with the original WHGs, just being robust is not enough.

Paleness has nothing to do with cranial traits also.
The french Cro Magnon is deemed to be very dark
https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/cromag1

Ukrainians and Irish seem to share certain traits as do other E Euros as our Grace O' Malley pointed out in a thread on here, V pale skin is more evident in some slavic populations too and robustness is something also seen. While Bell Beakers were also present in Spain they did not seem to spread the pale or robust gene there that much, how old paleness is i don't know but there is nothing to suggest that the original CMs were that different to Native Americans in pigmentation.

[Nurzat]

if you watch an interview of his he looks very British and in any case no Mediterranean vibe in the slightest (as region, not phenotype)

[Grace O'Malley]

Ukrainians and Irish seem to share certain traits as do other E Euros as our Grace O' Malley pointed out in a thread on here, V pale skin is more evident in some slavic populations too and robustness is something also seen. While Bell Beakers were also present in Spain they did not seem to spread the pale or robust gene there that much, how old paleness is i don't know but there is nothing to suggest that the original CMs were that different to Native Americans in pigmentation.

I've never said anything like that. I've never pointed out any traits shared by Irish and Ukrainians ever. :) Spain has had a much more complicated population history than the Irish and had less Bell Beaker impact, higher Farmer input as well as the impact of the Romans and also the Moors, Visigoths etc. Ireland virtually had complete population turnover with Bell Beakers and some input from groups like British, Vikings and Normans so a different history.

As you are mentioning pale skin I'm not sure whether you are talking about a map I posted about the IRF4 gene? The Irish have the highest rates and then somewhere in the North Caucasus.

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0092867413012981-figs1_lrg.jpg

I think that's what you might be referring to? My focus was on IRF4 but I've never discussed any shared traits between Irish and Eastern Europeans.

[Grace O'Malley]

As typical in France and Northern Italy

He's not typical there at all. In fact he's not typical anywhere as he is such a huge man but I think he looks Irish which is what his ancestry is.

https://sm.imgix.net/11/31/tysonfury_20090910.jpg?w=640&h=480&auto=compress,format&fit=clip

[oszkar07]

if you watch an interview of his he looks very British and in any case no Mediterranean vibe in the slightest (as region, not phenotype)

Agree.

I dont think he looks particuliarly southern Euro or North Italian.

To some degree many Europeans can fit in a "pan European sense" as outliers in many places across Europe.
But I dont see him as particuliarly looking typical in East or South Europe.

[Methuselah]

Interesting discussion friends. Thanks for sharing!

[Damião de Góis]

I don't know who this guy is but i googled and he is 2,06m boxer. 2 meter tall bald and bearded people certainly stand out here.
But if i check basketball players who are his height i can see people similar enough:

https://i.imgur.com/T4ZtxxY.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

More so in SE than SW Europe IMHO.

[Voskos]

As an an alpha and non Germanicised version of Mortimer.