Do Northern Brits look more similar to Finns or the French? [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 03:41 PM

Both N Brits and the Finns have a strong northern Cro Magnon component, fair hair is typical of both populations as is very pale skin, the French while not as Med as some make out have a much stronger Alpine influence as well as not having freckled skin as much. from my experience visiting Manchester, Belfast, Glasgow etc i would say that those cities have a quite different looking population to Paris or Lyon i wonder if the Finns would look less out of place in Edinburgh say than Parisians?

Arūnas

11-01-2021, 03:43 PM

those Northern Brits looks more southern than French I would say

https://youtu.be/bta09F26RCU

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 03:46 PM

those Northern Brits looks more southern than French I would say

https://youtu.be/bta09F26RCU

Lol is that the McKhan clan?

Creoda

11-01-2021, 04:05 PM

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 04:13 PM

Northern British are closer to French in overall looks. Come on, before you were saying that Southern English are closer to French than to Scots, now you're saying Northern British might be closer to Finns than French.

Closer to these Finns though.
https://www.finns.co.uk/images/finns-canterbury.jpg

Lol@picture, the southern English i think might look more French as do a lot if not most Welsh, it is a matter of facial features, gracility mainly but the N Brits tend more in the robust direction so i think they would look more Finnish.

Norb

11-01-2021, 04:45 PM

Irish

Blondie

11-01-2021, 05:00 PM

to french by far

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 05:03 PM

to french by far

Maybe in terms of hair pigmentation but eyes and facial features?

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 05:07 PM

to french by far

Maybe in terms of hair pigmentation but eyes and facial features?

TheMaestro

11-01-2021, 05:12 PM

French. Celts in particular Scots posses dark hair/in many cases also reddish and light eyes. More common among FR than FIN, also the head shapes.

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 05:21 PM

French. Celts in particular Scots posses dark hair/in many cases also reddish and light eyes. More common among FR than FIN, also the head shapes.

Hmm, i think these Scots would struggle to pass in France as a group though many could pass for Flemish types from France
https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/resources/images/9419357?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen

Blondie

11-01-2021, 05:37 PM

Maybe in terms of hair pigmentation but eyes and facial features?

All of them.

Delacroix

11-01-2021, 05:39 PM

French. Northern Brits lack the Baltic/Mongoloid influences Finns have.

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 05:43 PM

French. Northern Brits lack the Baltic/Mongoloid influences Finns have.

That is true but in terms of general vibe i would say that both N Brits and Finns give off a general Northern vibe while the French give off a more central Euro vibe with a Med influence too. I think people forget that the North is generally quite distinct from a lot of Europe racially.

Creoda

11-01-2021, 05:51 PM

Jana

11-01-2021, 06:00 PM

More similar to French (esp. Bretons and Normans) for sure. Finns are easily distinguishable.

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 06:07 PM

True Celtic Scottish women in the Hebrides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeSrkZfpAjc

Anglicised Scots near Edinburgh
https://www.scottishfield.co.uk/photos/scottish-field-photos/the-chairmans-drinks-party-with-young-farmers/

From the farmers set maybe around 12 or so have looks i would say are typical among the French, while few look Finnish as such in the Baltic sense i would say at least 20 have the strong UP and Nordic influences associated with that country.

Übermensch

11-01-2021, 06:14 PM

Finns by far...

Norb

11-01-2021, 06:22 PM

who has paler skin?

Harkonnen

11-01-2021, 06:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvreCDC61Zw

Creoda

11-01-2021, 06:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1d7ykKL7AI

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 06:41 PM

Both countries also excel in motor racing, here are Finnish drivers:
https://cdn-8.motorsport.com/images/mgl/2y3Wr7v6/s8/kimi-raikkonen-alfa-romeo-raci-1.jpg
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/cars/2019/11/11/TELEMMGLPICT000215830275_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqG-y5hWvlxXJvZ9P2yIBc3DmIdRm8QnlJjKVAV6wGVNw.jpeg
https://cdn-wp.thesportsrush.com/2020/08/Heikki-Kovalainen.jpg

Scottish racing drivers
https://images.motorsportstats.com/large/driverProfilePicture/driverProfilePicture-d923d4db-d2e3-4afe-a7e4-ceecf9f7bb5e.jpg
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/obituaries/2021/03/23/TELEMMGLPICT000004393331_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqdZFyL81 Ivq0nmAiDWhp34JHYkfP_-zyjFPaAx_83TFc.jpeg
https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/_media/img/C02HS8CR20P0GMK11375.jpg

Creoda

11-01-2021, 06:53 PM

Both countries also excel in motor racing, here are Finnish drivers:

The two most famous Scottish drivers:

David Coulthard. I guess passes a bit better as Finnish. There is seldom an Englishman that looks like him.
https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/22111929/David-Coulthard.jpg
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Fsundaytimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F6e8f8ad 0-d421-11e6-8b94-fca56794aac7.jpg?crop=1300%2C1625%2C-0%2C-0

Jackie Stewart. Passes much better as French. Also a rare look among English.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.ad63ddf66c5ec2595e9e8d9ac678051e?rik=c8QoGH47yoa gsw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.motorsportretro.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2012%2f03%2fjackie-stewart1.jpg&ehk=vidxNXctYkjliF1Vv%2bafpNK97mNwEBIs9LMC4Wt51%2b w%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/70/b7/4670b7ab6ab0df4abd675c8d2cca7ac8.jpg

Roy

11-01-2021, 07:17 PM

They don't look close to Finns, so French by default.

Finnish Swede

11-01-2021, 07:52 PM

Jackie Stewart. Passes much better as French. Also a rare look among English.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.ad63ddf66c5ec2595e9e8d9ac678051e?rik=c8QoGH47yoa gsw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.motorsportretro.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2012%2f03%2fjackie-stewart1.jpg&ehk=vidxNXctYkjliF1Vv%2bafpNK97mNwEBIs9LMC4Wt51%2b w%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/70/b7/4670b7ab6ab0df4abd675c8d2cca7ac8.jpg

I do not know can (or should) Finns feel happy now :rolleyes:...

Smitty

11-01-2021, 07:56 PM

I would definitely say the French.

Harkonnen

11-01-2021, 07:59 PM

I do not know can (or should) Finns feel happy now :rolleyes:...

I'd happily claim Jackie Finnish.

Davystayn

11-01-2021, 08:38 PM

I'd happily claim Jackie Finnish.

Jackie types exist in Scotland occasionally and Wales, France too certainly.

OP question is ridiculous in any case. Aaron Ramsdale passes in Finland but in general Finns are for too NE European, touching Karelia and beyond that the Urals and the Arctic, very distant. Read somewhere that Swedes aren't that close to Finns despite proximity,

slaog

11-01-2021, 08:42 PM

Neither. They have their own look as do Finns. France is a diverse country (in terms of white people) with a lot of different groups.

Oneeye

11-01-2021, 08:53 PM

Brits are closer to chimps.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4952965.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Chimpanzee.jpg

Both the chimp and the Brit in this pic are hard to tell apart from each other.

Harkonnen

11-01-2021, 08:56 PM

Östsvensk

11-01-2021, 09:11 PM

Jackie types exist in Scotland occasionally and Wales, France too certainly.

OP question is ridiculous in any case. Aaron Ramsdale passes in Finland but in general Finns are for too NE European, touching Karelia and beyond that the Urals and the Arctic, very distant. Read somewhere that Swedes aren't that close to Finns despite proximity,

Swedes are more NW European and Germanic, while Finns are more Baltic and NE European with some Mongoloid/Siberian. IMHO, you can generally tell Swedes and Finns apart, although there are Nordid-looking Finns and East Baltic native Swedes.

Harkonnen

11-01-2021, 09:39 PM

Swedes are more NW European and Germanic, while Finns are more Baltic and NE European with some Mongoloid/Siberian. IMHO, you can generally tell Swedes and Finns apart, although there are Nordid-looking Finns and East Baltic native Swedes.

Yeah metrically very dissimilar looking individuals within ethnicity often have this air about them that makes them look more like each other, than to some metrically similar individual of different ethnicity.

Ylla

11-01-2021, 09:53 PM

Possibly inbetween? I also noticed a difference with southerners, northerners being more germanic looking.

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 10:01 PM

Jackie types exist in Scotland occasionally and Wales, France too certainly.

OP question is ridiculous in any case. Aaron Ramsdale passes in Finland but in general Finns are for too NE European, touching Karelia and beyond that the Urals and the Arctic, very distant. Read somewhere that Swedes aren't that close to Finns despite proximity,

Well i mean there is a big difference between Scots and Finns but then the same can be said for Scots and the French, i would wager that there are more Scottish looking Finns than Scottish looking French though that is quite debateable especially when Scotland has a significant dark haired minority that would not look atypical in France, Sturgeon, Tennant etc. But then a good deal of Scots have quite different sort of looks in general from continental Euros and even south Brits.

Davystayn

11-01-2021, 10:38 PM

Swedes are more NW European and Germanic, while Finns are more Baltic and NE European with some Mongoloid/Siberian. IMHO, you can generally tell Swedes and Finns apart, although there are Nordid-looking Finns and East Baltic native Swedes.

Yes I think you are right, usually associate Finns with being very light with mostly baltid influence, along with standard Nordid and some Uralic influence for a few.

I imagine Finns are closer to Lithuanians etc, Karelians than Swedes

Davystayn

11-01-2021, 10:42 PM

Well i mean there is a big difference between Scots and Finns but then the same can be said for Scots and the French, i would wager that there are more Scottish looking Finns than Scottish looking French though that is quite debateable especially when Scotland has a significant dark haired minority that would not look atypical in France, Sturgeon, Tennant etc. But then a good deal of Scots have quite different sort of looks in general from continental Euros and even south Brits.

Someone like Andy Robertson or Kevin McKidd look nothing but Scottish to me, but Scotland was always a amalgam of different kingdoms, Picts, Scotti, Strathclyde Welsh, Angles and Norse.

I guess Kevin McKidd passes in Finland but Andy Robertson wouldn't, but Andy also doesn't pass that easily in France.

Östsvensk

11-01-2021, 10:50 PM

Yeah metrically very dissimilar looking individuals within ethnicity often have this air about them that makes them look more like each other, than to some metrically similar individual of different ethnicity.

Well, the stereotype on these forums is that all Swedes are Nordic and all Finns are East Baltic, which is not true. The dissimilarity between Swedes and Finns doesn't always come down to that. F.e. Ari Vatanen who has been posted in this thread looks very Nordic and, um, "SS posterboy" and he doesn't really look Swedish.

Oliver109

11-01-2021, 10:51 PM

Someone like Andy Robertson or Kevin McKidd look nothing but Scottish to me, but Scotland was always a amalgam of different kingdoms, Picts, Scotti, Strathclyde Welsh, Angles and Norse.

I guess Kevin McKidd passes in Finland but Andy Robertson wouldn't, but Andy also doesn't pass that easily in France.

I think Scots generally have a vibe of their own distinct from both continentals and Scandinavians though morphologically their relation is i think more with the UP types of the North right across to Russia. what i do notice when visiting Scotland is the general lightness of the people, they are lighter than people in Surrey, Berkshire etc and give me a more Scandinavian impression in some ways though often heavily British and Brunnish at the same time.

Harkonnen

11-01-2021, 11:02 PM

Yes I think you are right, usually associate Finns with being very light with mostly baltid influence, along with standard Nordid and some Uralic influence for a few.

I imagine Finns are closer to Lithuanians etc, Karelians than Swedes

At least according to some data Finns largely lack Kylälahtic forward projecting cheekbone (in relation to Karelians)
https://i.imgur.com/XthqdTV.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?298413-General-Yrj%F6-Keinonen

Anglo-Celtic

11-01-2021, 11:02 PM

Hmm, i think these Scots would struggle to pass in France as a group though many could pass for Flemish types from France
https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/resources/images/9419357?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen

American kids, of Scottish descent, don't look like Scottish kids. Maybe it's because they don't eat haggis. ;-)

Harkonnen

11-01-2021, 11:38 PM

https://i.imgur.com/CJwvuOC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vzTpvh4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sKjnHzC.png
https://i.imgur.com/7TQY24d.png
https://i.imgur.com/VGDwrWo.png

Obviously doesn't mean all Karelians have sharply forward projecting nose in combination with forward projecting cheekbone, but quite significant subgroup nevertheless

Harkonnen

11-02-2021, 08:34 AM

At least according to some data Finns largely lack Kylälahtic forward projecting cheekbone (in relation to Karelians)
https://i.imgur.com/XthqdTV.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?298413-General-Yrj%F6-Keinonen

You can see how you end up in this shape which is like a prowl of a ship or a tank, and in this case the cheekbone very extremely protrudes even in front of eyesocket

https://i.imgur.com/UXDEBsz.png
https://i.imgur.com/byOLetO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OC11kHn.png

https://i.imgur.com/nfHqjjn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JMGoEx7.jpg