Middle Easterners have more East Asian-like eyes than Europeans do?

[noname1]

Do you also realize Middle Easterners have more East Asian-like eyes than Europeans do?

[StonyArabia]

It’s a desert adaptation usually it’s more among men. Since Middle Eastern men prefer big round eyes.

[RenaRyuguu]

no they don't I have a few friends who have more East Asian shifted eyes than all of Saudi Arabia

[Kyp]

Depends on the middle eastern country imo

[PhenotypeMaster]

Do you also realize Middle Easterners have more East Asian-like eyes than Europeans do?

Check the last thread I made, you can't really generalise this much since it can be both ways.

[Östsvensk]

There is more Mongoloid admixture in Northern Europe, particularly Finland, than West Asia. Middle Easterners have no Mongoloid admixture, save for Turks, and Turks did not look Mongoloid according to Coon (he travelled in the Middle East):

The epicanthic eye-fold, typical of Mongols, is almost unknown in Turkey. - The Races of Europe, 1939, Ch. The Osmanli Turks

[placebo]

No, especially Northern Europeans have small eyes. Only some Turks and some Azeris have small eye but if you consider them as Middle Eastern.

[Harkonnen]

Well high eye sockets are common in Middle East as in most parts of East Asia. So in skull level there is similarity, but soft parts are different. Paradoxically for example Finnish eye sockets are very low, so complete opposite to Mongoloid in skull level.

[Immanenz]

More than South and West euros but less than North and Central-Easteuros, i guess.

[Oliver109]

More than South and West euros but less than North and Central-Easteuros, i guess.

Maybe in the north Middle east but i think there are more epicanthic folds in Spain and Italy than in Saudi or Yemen.

[Immanenz]

Maybe in the north Middle east but i think there are more epicanthic folds in Spain and Italy than in Saudi or Yemen.

the number must be incredible low lol- on the other hand Arabs and Berber can have Sahara adapted slented eyes, if that counts for something.

[Oliver109]

the number must be incredible low lol- on the other hand Arabs and Berber can have Sahara adapted slented eyes, if that counts for something.

Really? Brunns and Alpines have them, so do Berids, borrebies etc in Spain etc N Africans certainly do but by M Easterners we mean Iraqis, Saudis etc.

[Immanenz]

Really? Brunns and Alpines have them, so do Berids, borrebies etc in Spain etc N Africans certainly do but by M Easterners we mean Iraqis, Saudis etc.

you are talking about epicantic folds, not slented eyes, Arabs will have bigger eyes than Southeuros on average i guess, but Middle east has certainly more Asiatic eyes than Southwesteurope and its not even close.

[Oliver109]

you are talking about epicantic folds, not slented eyes, Arabs will have bigger eyes than Southeuros on average i guess, but Middle east has certainly more Asiatic eyes than Southwesteurope and its not even close.

By Asiatic do you mean turanid like types?

[Immanenz]

By Asiatic do you mean turanid like types?

not necessary Turanid- like, but yeah they do also occur and its def. asiatic compared to deep set eyes of "Berids" etc. it corresponds also with the East Asian admix they have.

[Token]

Really? Brunns and Alpines have them, so do Berids, borrebies etc in Spain etc N Africans certainly do but by M Easterners we mean Iraqis, Saudis etc.

They don't, epicanthic (on internal corner of the eye) fold is very rare even in far eastern Europe and it is a blatantly mongoloid trait. Some Europeans do have external (on the outer corner of the eye) eyefolds.

[placebo]

Maybe in the north Middle east but i think there are more epicanthic folds in Spain and Italy than in Saudi or Yemen.

Find the epicanthic fold is hard to anywhere except East&Southeast Asia and some parts of Central Asia. Even the mongoloid admixed Turanid phenotype generally doesn't have epicanthic fold.

[Oliver109]

They don't, epicanthic (on internal corner of the eye) fold is very rare even in far eastern Europe and it is a blatantly mongoloid trait. Some Europeans do have external (on the outer corner of the eye) eyefolds.

I mean more like some of the Northerners in this photo, typically
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/oct/09/newcastle-owners-dont-need-wild-spending-to-keep-fans-happy

[Token]

I mean more like some of the Northerners in this photo, typically
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/oct/09/newcastle-owners-dont-need-wild-spending-to-keep-fans-happy

I'm seeing a bunch of men squinting their eyes while smiling, lol.

[placebo]

small eyelid ≠ epicanthic fold

[Oliver109]

I'm seeing a bunch of men squinting their eyes while smiling, lol.

Lol but you can see the northern influence in their looks, like this young man from Coons plate
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe053.jpg

[Dr_Maul]

Ive seen Peninsulars and Berbers with it (both 0 asian) either Desert trait or Basal Eurasian trait maybe (both are quite high in percentage)

[Token]

Lol but you can see the northern influence in their looks, like this young man from Coons plate
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe053.jpg

This is an external eyefold, UP types do not have epicanthic folds. This is a mongoloid epicanthic fold:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Epicanthic_KR02.jpg/250px-Epicanthic_KR02.jpg

Quotes from Coon:


Among the English, Welsh, and Scotch internal and median eyefolds are very uncommon, while external folds are not infrequent.

Irish:

External eyefolds occur in 13 per cent of the total; median and internal eyefolds are apparently rare or lacking

Even Lapps, who are highly mongoloid admixed:

The eyes are widely separated, set in low orbits, and overhung in some instances with median or external folds, rarely with the mongoloid epicanthus.

[Komintasavalta]

They don't, epicanthic (on internal corner of the eye) fold is very rare even in far eastern Europe and it is a blatantly mongoloid trait.

The easternmost parts of Europe are Nenetsia, Komi Republic, Perm Krai, Bashkortostan, Orenburg Oblast, and northwestern Kazakhstan; or depending on what definition of Europe you use, possibly also a small part of Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug. An epicanthic fold is not "very rare" among the native population of any of those. Even Orenburg Oblast has many municipalities with a Kazakh majority, and it used to be part of Kyrgyz ASSR, which was an old name for Kazakh ASSR (because Kazakhs used to be called Kyrgyz to avoid confusion with Cossacks).

These are Komis, even though it's hard to tell if some of them have an epicanthic fold:

https://i.ibb.co/3TS8JTB/a.jpg
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/73497
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/179984
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/64204
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/80661

Among Bashkirs, it's common even for people with light skin and light or mixed eyes to have a clear epicanthus:

https://i.imgur.com/8YdWm59.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/m9HDkJW/0z-VL1za-D4-Gg.jpg

[Token]

The easternmost parts of Europe are Nenetsia, Komi Republic, Perm Krai, Bashkortostan, Orenburg Oblast, and northwestern Kazakhstan; or depending on what definition of Europe you use, possibly also a small part of Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug. An epicanthic fold is not "very rare" among the native population of any of those. Even Orenburg Oblast has many municipalities with a Kazakh majority, and it used to be part of Kyrgyz ASSR, which was an old name for Kazakh ASSR (because Kazakhs used to be called Kyrgyz to avoid confusion with Cossacks).

These are Komis, even though it's hard to tell if some of them have an epicanthic fold:

https://i.ibb.co/R7bFvGW/a.jpg
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/73497
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/179984
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/64204
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/64236
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/80661

Among Bashkirs, it's common even for people with light skin and light or mixed eyes to have a clear epicanthus:

https://i.imgur.com/8YdWm59.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/m9HDkJW/0z-VL1za-D4-Gg.jpg

Five individuals whose epicanthic folds aren't even visible are not going to prove your point, three of them look like they have an external eyefold instead. The two Bashkir women do have epicanthic folds, but they are obviously an exception. I could dig some studies on the matter but Asiatics settled in Europe are hardly my cup of tea, my main point is that epicanthic folds are extremely rare in western Europe.