Would you call these four Englishmen 'swarthy'? [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:05 AM

Jamie George, rugby player
https://www.bordercountiesadvertizer.co.uk/resources/images/12275081/

Danny Ings, footballer
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/www-thefa-com/images/england/men-senior/player-profiles/danny-ings/danny-ings-6672-png.ashx

Daniel Sandford, journalist
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1497949200/DanielSandfordSmall_400x400.jpg

Chris Gascoyne, actor
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1479828.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/Chris%20Gascoyne%20as%20Peter%20Barlow%20in%20Coro nation%20Street

Mixdguy17

11-05-2021, 01:08 AM

No, maybe for being English some might, but I wouldnt think so.

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:10 AM

No, maybe for being English some might, but I wouldnt think so.

In an argument I had in another thread with CV and alnorte about the percentage of truly swarthy Spaniards, I mentioned in passing that even swarthy Brits aren't that rare, but on the other hand even these types don't reach the extremes sometimes found in Spain (as well as Portugal, Italy, Albania, Greece, Malta etc).

Oliver109

11-05-2021, 01:14 AM

Not at all, swarthy is when you have a yellowish or grey undertone to your skin like this Croat footballer
https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/34493.jpg

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:16 AM

Not at all, swarthy is when you have a yellowish or grey undertone to your skin like this Croat footballer
https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/34493.jpg

That Croat looks like a tanned Faelid. Truly swarthy Europeans IMHO are people like Cesc Fabregas, Alvaro Arbeloa, Lorenzo Insigne, Alberto Aquilani etc. Anyway, how'd you thus describe the skintone of the guys I posted in the OP?

Oliver109

11-05-2021, 01:19 AM

That Croat looks like a tanned Faelid. Truly swarthy Europeans IMHO are people like Sergio Busquets, Alvaro Arbeloa, Lorenzo Insigne, Alberto Aquilani etc. Anyway, how'd you thus describe the skintone of the guys I posted in the OP?

Those men are intermediate, typical for France and only really darker than average in Ireland i think

RenaRyuguu

11-05-2021, 01:21 AM

yeah humans whatever

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:23 AM

Those men are intermediate, typical for France and only really darker than average in Ireland i think

Danny Ings looks the most Spanish of them, don't you think?

Oliver109

11-05-2021, 01:24 AM

Danny Ings looks the most Spanish of them, don't you think?

Not at all, Gascoyne passes well though as does Sandford

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:25 AM

Not at all, Gascoyne passes well though as does Sandford

Gascoyne to me looks more Serbian, Bulgarian or even Georgian than Spanish.

Oliver109

11-05-2021, 01:30 AM

Gascoyne to me looks more Serbian, Bulgarian or even Georgian than Spanish.

True though you obviously get heavily dinaricised people in Spain too, it is interesting how the other famous Gascoigne looks completely British

El_Jibaro

11-05-2021, 01:33 AM

Daniel Sandford and Danny Ings a little bit.

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:35 AM

True though you obviously get heavily dinaricised people in Spain too, it is interesting how the other famous Gascoigne looks completely British

Yeah. Either way, these people IMO represent the darkest 5-10% or so of the native British spectrum. People here darker than them are usually either just extremely atypical or (more likely than not) mixed/non-native to varying degrees.

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:36 AM

Daniel Sandford and Danny Ings a little bit.

Yes. But as I was trying to say in another thread to CV and alnorte, even people like them don't reach the extremes found with some frequency in Spain (and other Mediterranean countries).

El_Jibaro

11-05-2021, 01:39 AM

Yes. But as I was trying to say in another thread to CV and alnorte, even people like them don't reach the extremes found with some frequency in Spain (and other Mediterranean countries).

Obviously there will be more swarthoids in Mediterranean countries. Neolithic wogs with more farmer element.

Oliver109

11-05-2021, 01:40 AM

Yeah. Either way, these people IMO represent the darkest 5-10% or so of the native British spectrum. People here darker than them are usually either just extremely atypical or (more likely than not) mixed/non-native to varying degrees.

Exactly, on this topic do you think Sergio Reguilon is fully Spanish? he seems very dark for a Spaniard to me and i would be surprised if he did not have Columbian etc ancestry.

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:46 AM

Obviously there will be more swarthoids in Mediterranean countries. Neolithic wogs with more farmer element.

Thus would you agree with me that native Spaniards with raven hair, dark olive skin etc. such as Alvaro Arbeloa, Cesc Fabregas, Bruno Soriano etc. are circa 10-15%?

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:47 AM

Exactly, on this topic do you think Sergio Reguilon is fully Spanish? he seems very dark for a Spaniard to me and i would be surprised if he did not have Columbian etc ancestry.

He does look sort of Mestizo-ish, but some Berids can do so. He is probably about as common for Spain as Gavin Henson is for Britain, let's just say.

El_Jibaro

11-05-2021, 01:50 AM

Thus would you agree with me that native Spaniards with raven hair, dark olive skin etc. such as Alvaro Arbeloa, Cesc Fabregas, Bruno Soriano etc. are circa 10-15%?

I would say ~10%. Not much more and not much less.

Sasaolo68

11-05-2021, 03:57 AM

Not at all, swarthy is when you have a yellowish or grey undertone to your skin like this Croat footballer
https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/34493.jpgHe could pass as a fair skinned Mestizo or light skinned Triracial with a high Amerindian admix, he looks similar to a triracial that i know, some triracials or mestizos can have this "swarthy-light haired" kind of look.

Avicenna

11-05-2021, 08:23 AM

Exactly, on this topic do you think Sergio Reguilon is fully Spanish? he seems very dark for a Spaniard to me and i would be surprised if he did not have Columbian etc ancestry.

I knew a Spanish guy from Cadiz who looked almost identical to him . Most of the Spaniards I knew personally had dark brown/ black hair with some having tanned skin and others pale white skin .

Austrvegr

11-05-2021, 09:25 AM

I would.

Immanenz

11-05-2021, 11:49 AM

He does look sort of Mestizo-ish, but some Berids can do so. He is probably about as common for Spain as Gavin Henson is for Britain, let's just say.

Exactly, on this topic do you think Sergio Reguilon is fully Spanish? he seems very dark for a Spaniard to me and i would be surprised if he did not have Columbian etc ancestry.

Kind of odd and ironic if you think that basically all the lightness (especially hair, because those examples most likely have the skin tone/tanning ability of average Scandinavians or at least Centraleuros) came with depigmented North Eurasians who are strongly related to Native Americans.

Roy

11-05-2021, 12:00 PM

Gascoyne - yes albeit he's not close to the native extreme for Europe, the other three no.

TheMaestro

11-05-2021, 12:42 PM

Swarthiness is based of skin color not hair/eye color.

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 01:06 PM

Swarthiness is based of skin color not hair/eye color.

Yes I know.

Bonte

11-05-2021, 01:20 PM

there are more swarthy English

Gascoyne to me looks French.

Danny Ings look Spaniard.

Dont forget the dark looks of the English got to Britain via the French.

In France is quite common to see swarthy people as well as in Spain or Italy.

To me the best looking people in Europe are dark haired, tanned ones. (The Europeans that can get tanned)

I am not a fan of the pink complexion some British have who when exposed to the sun just turn red.

Bonte

11-05-2021, 01:23 PM

I knew a Spanish guy from Cadiz who looked almost identical to him . Most of the Spaniards I knew personally had dark brown/ black hair with some having tanned skin and others pale white skin .

The thing is with prior imperial nations like Spain, France, England is near impossible to assess the looks of many individuals correctly.

Those three nations colonized almost the entire planet and mixed and traded and mingled with their colonies left and right.

On top of that, France, UK, Spain have a CRAPLOAD of immigrants and many people with mixed heritages.

That can also be extended to Belgium and the Netherlands.

Immanenz

11-05-2021, 01:33 PM

there are more swarthy English

Dont forget the dark looks of the English got to Britain via the French.

In France is quite common to see swarthy people as well as in Spain or Italy.

its anthrotard delusions "10 % look like Fabregas" lol while this is a crowd in Vigo, Northern Spain

https://cloudfront.ligalive.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/01101503/GettyImages-681989542.jpg

Oliver109

11-05-2021, 01:34 PM

Kind of odd and ironic if you think that basically all the lightness (especially hair, because those examples most likely have the skin tone/tanning ability of average Scandinavians or at least Centraleuros) came with depigmented North Eurasians who are strongly related to Native Americans.

Well in Spain the further from the Pyrenees and north coast you get the darker the people, i think lightness arose in western siberia so Spain was one of the last parts of Europe to get the light gene, basically the more Med a place phenotypically the darker it is.

Bonte

11-05-2021, 01:36 PM

its anthrotard delusions "10 % look like Fabregas" lol while this is a crowd in Vigo, Northern Spain

https://cloudfront.ligalive.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/01101503/GettyImages-681989542.jpg

I have ZERO clue of what you just said.

Improve your writing skills, don't assume people readily comprehend your mumble.

Immanenz

11-05-2021, 01:39 PM

I have ZERO clue of what you just said.

Improve your writing skills, don't assume people readily comprehend your mumble.

i thought you have read the discussions in the thread. your english isnt great as well tbh.

Thus would you agree with me that native Spaniards with raven hair, dark olive skin etc. such as Alvaro Arbeloa, Cesc Fabregas, Bruno Soriano etc. are circa 10-15%?

I would say ~10%. Not much more and not much less.

https://cloudfront.ligalive.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/01101503/GettyImages-681989542.jpg

if they look drastically different to Fabregas, this is what i call anthrotardism.

Bonte

11-05-2021, 01:41 PM

Southern Europe (France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Dalmatia in Croatia, Western Turkey and all of North Africa (Ancient Egypt, ancient Carthage) have been mixing for thousands of years.

The Romans took these wealth of genes up north into Britain.

Bonte

11-05-2021, 01:43 PM

i thought you have read the discussions in the thread. your english isnt great as well tbh.

https://cloudfront.ligalive.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/01101503/GettyImages-681989542.jpg

if they look drastically different to Fabregas, this is what i call anthrotardism.

"Anthrotardism" is the norm on these forums, let us analyze the individuals who come to these forums:
-Pseudo-educated amateurs with some interest in anthropology.
-Virgin teenage boys desperate for a social life.
-Identity crisis ridden Americans looking for "Nordic Racial purity" asking others to classify them.

I would NEVER take anything I read on these forums serious.

A forum of anthropologists, geneticists, scientists, these forums are not!

Smitty

11-05-2021, 01:44 PM

Maybe 4, not the rest. Gascoyne is probably French in origin, right? Not saying he is French, of course.

Hektor12

11-05-2021, 01:44 PM

Danny Ings, footballer
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/www-thefa-com/images/england/men-senior/player-profiles/danny-ings/danny-ings-6672-png.ashx

https://cdn-images.win.gg/news/4cc05b35c2f937c5bd9e7d41d3686fff/4d698306b244818d6e763213a9e987fb/original.png

Looks like HasanAbi with longer face.

Avicenna

11-05-2021, 01:55 PM

its anthrotard delusions "10 % look like Fabregas" lol while this is a crowd in Vigo, Northern Spain

https://cloudfront.ligalive.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/01101503/GettyImages-681989542.jpg

Just a side note, one girl who was ethnically Spanish ( lovely person btw ) with dark brown hair and olive tanned skin was from Galicia . Her friend who was also from Vigo had dark brown hair with blue eyes and very pale pinkish skin . She looked British or could pass. The other Spaniard I knew was also from Vigo and he had jet black hair with pale white skin, his features were exclusively Iberian . The other girl had jet black hair , pale skin and greenish eyes who was from Sevilla.

Oliver109

11-05-2021, 01:58 PM

Just a side note, one girl who was ethnically Spanish ( lovely person btw ) with dark brown hair and olive tanned skin was from Galicia . Her friend who was also from Vigo had dark brown hair with blue eyes and very pale pinkish skin . She looked British or could pass. The other Spaniard I knew was also from Vigo and he had jet black hair with pale white skin, his features were exclusively Iberian . The other girl had jet black hair , pale skin and greenish eyes who was from Sevilla.

Galicia has a lot of dark and in some cases quite Kurdish looking Spaniards, while there are also light ones there it does not make it the lightest region of Spain, one has to remember that it was one of the last regions of Spain to be settled by Germanics and it's isolation from the rest of Europe has lead to the retention of proto mediterranean looks.

Avicenna

11-05-2021, 02:18 PM

Galicia has a lot of dark and in some cases quite Kurdish looking Spaniards, while there are also light ones there it does not make it the lightest region of Spain, one has to remember that it was one of the last regions of Spain to be settled by Germanics and it's isolation from the rest of Europe has lead to the retention of proto mediterranean looks.

Hmm, I think Kurdish looking is stretching it a little but yeah one of my friends I mentioned above did look quite proto Med . He was tall, slender with a typical Mediterranean skull shape . Jet black hair , full lips , pale skin and hooded eyes .

Tooting Carmen

11-05-2021, 02:23 PM

Yeah. Either way, these people IMO represent the darkest 5-10% or so of the native British spectrum. People here darker than them are usually either just extremely atypical or (more likely than not) mixed/non-native to varying degrees.

Rare examples of really really exotic Brits I can think of are Hugo Taylor and Ollie Locke, from reality TV show Made In Chelsea. The former is probably a crypto-Jew and the latter is probably part-South Asian somewhere:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ollie-locke-hugo-taylor-and-oliver-proudlock-attend-a-drinks-at-a-picture-id1200557805 (Locke is on the far left and Taylor in the middle).

All the same, most dark-haired Brits are still pretty fair-skinned. Good examples include former Chancellor George Osborne and former rugby player Stephen Jones:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Osborne_2015.jpghttps://alchetron.com/cdn/stephen-jones-rugby-player-ca0cba87-df67-4eb2-a0db-f371f5f149d-resize-750.jpeg

Oliver109

11-05-2021, 02:24 PM

Hmm, I think Kurdish looking is stretching it a little but yeah one of my friends I mentioned above did look quite proto Med . He was tall, slender with a typical Mediterranean skull shape . Jet black hair , full lips , pale skin and hooded eyes .

Well it is the body hair and complexion that remind me of Kurds, Arabs being less hairy in general. It is odd how despite being close to N Africa the Spanish resemble west asians more.
https://as01.epimg.net/futbol/imagenes/2017/01/22/copa_del_rey/1485121017_660780_1485121200_noticia_normal.jpg

mmmbavarskoe

11-05-2021, 05:10 PM

Norb

11-05-2021, 05:41 PM

yes easily, if I've been called 'swarthy' then it's only fair these are too

Roy

11-08-2021, 02:49 PM

Swarthiness is based of skin color not hair/eye color.

Black eyes are though objectively a swarthy trait.

Roy

11-08-2021, 02:52 PM

Tooting Carmen

11-20-2021, 04:24 PM

Doesn't Danny Ings look a bit like longbowman? xD

Tooting Carmen

12-08-2021, 04:18 PM

Catalonians are actually the lighest native people from Spain.

Are they?

Tooting Carmen

12-14-2021, 10:19 PM

Black eyes are though objectively a swarthy trait.

Do any native Europeans have them?

Hulu

12-14-2021, 10:21 PM

Obviously.

Cristiano viejo

12-14-2021, 10:38 PM

Yepe, very swarthy.

Odelia

12-16-2021, 04:53 AM

Danny Ings, footballer
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/www-thefa-com/images/england/men-senior/player-profiles/danny-ings/danny-ings-6672-png.ashx

Looks fucking Lebanese/Turk

Ellethwyn

12-16-2021, 05:24 AM

The last one...Chris Gascoyne, he looks swarthy in other pics.

Tooting Carmen

12-30-2021, 12:54 PM

Looks fucking Lebanese/Turk

I don't think he quite looks West Asian (except maybe in an AJ sense, like Longbowman).

Avicenna

12-30-2021, 01:00 PM

I don't think he quite looks West Asian (except maybe in an AJ sense, like Longbowman).

He doesnt pass as west Asian, not even a little . He passes better as a dark Irishman , I've seen some Irishmen with his look but with a dark hair/ blue eyes combo .

Scandal

01-02-2022, 08:56 AM

Anglo-Celtic

01-02-2022, 08:59 AM

The last one...Chris Gascoyne, he looks swarthy in other pics.

He's the only one that I pick. Like me, his olive beat his pink.

Tooting Carmen

02-10-2022, 12:18 AM

He's the only one that I pick. Like me, his olive beat his pink.

:confused:

barnumandbailey

02-10-2022, 12:25 AM

I would consider the final three to be swarthy based purely off of skin tone and soft tissue features.

Anglo-Celtic

03-01-2022, 02:18 PM

:confused:

My skin fluctuates in tone. I hate to keep you in suspense.

Karol Klačansky

03-01-2022, 03:20 PM

Not at all, swarthy is when you have a yellowish or grey undertone to your skin like this Croat footballer
https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/34493.jpg

hes obviously tanned from the sun lol. Those English guys havent even seen the light of day. They are a bit swarthy and would definitly be considered a bit swarthy. Especially the last guy.

Sasaolo68

03-01-2022, 03:25 PM

That Croat looks like a tanned Faelid. Truly swarthy Europeans IMHO are people like Cesc Fabregas, Alvaro Arbeloa, Lorenzo Insigne, Alberto Aquilani etc. Anyway, how'd you thus describe the skintone of the guys I posted in the OP?

He doesn't look Faelid imo.