Classify Hungarian opposition candidate for PM, Péter Márki-Zay

[Hungarian_master]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/M%C3%A1rki-Zay_P%C3%A9ter_cropped.jpg
https://scontent.fbud5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/249282264_430657111754100_6803989680111279940_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=09cbfe&_nc_ohc=R7wVTd9unXUAX9ySesH&_nc_ht=scontent.fbud5-1.fna&oh=c3b07bdaf59bbd9917f985943b486a99&oe=61AF7613
https://mandiner.hu/attachment/0551/550509_efd7be61-7efe-44c9-93ba-76d25c3655af.jpeg
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=110811&d=1636376278
https://jelen.media/data/articles/2/22/article-2204/IVI_4297_fit_670x10000.jpg
https://mandiner.hu/attachment/0551/550285_marki_zay_peter_partizan.jpg
http://ocdn.eu/images/pulscms/MjI7MDA_/64d16bb55d677423b62596ec2c82d48d.jpg

[Immanenz]

AlpineMed- but more on the Med side

[TheMaestro]

There was already thread created about him, baratom.

[Hungarian_master]

There was already thread created about him, baratom.

Yes, is true, but the another thread about him is not a Taxonomy thread.

[Arūnas]

of south-east Asian roots?

[Immanenz]

of south-east Asian roots?

Spain is other direction, but yeah- he could have some remote indian roots?

[Arūnas]

Spain is other direction, but yeah- he could have some remote indian roots?

on my untrained eye he looks 50% Austrian (Mortimer) but thinner

[placebo]

I really surprised to see such Hungarians. Before Apricity, I thought they all close to German looking.

[Nurzat]

I really surprised to see such Hungarians. Before Apricity, I thought they all close to German looking.

their national team does look very German, more German than the German or Austrian ones, though

[Nurzat]

looks a bit Italian

[Blondie]

their national team does look very German, more German than the German or Austrian ones, though

1/3 of hungarian national team is danube swabian: Ádám Lang, Csaba Spandler, László Kleinheisler, András Schäfer, Szabolcs Schön, János Hahn, Filip Holender.

[Roy]

Mediterranean + Gorid.

[Hektor12]

Alföld Alpinid blend imo.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ffvEcbyJk8o/XlbgWSQixYI/AAAAAAAAC94/GUGStpkgCpYsL3BkTYA5j3wXTtwH_56JwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/BISABUELOpaternoALFOLD.JPEG

[Blondie]

Alföld Alpinid blend imo.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ffvEcbyJk8o/XlbgWSQixYI/AAAAAAAAC94/GUGStpkgCpYsL3BkTYA5j3wXTtwH_56JwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/BISABUELOpaternoALFOLD.JPEG

there is nothing turanid in márki-zay, thats nonsense

[Hektor12]

there is nothing turanid in márki-zay, thats nonsense

I see very "familiar" things in his face. And he looks like a standard Anatolian villlager to my eyes. I dont want to offend you, this is what do i see.

[Blondie]

I see very "familiar" things in his face. And he looks like a standard Anatolian villlager to my eyes. I dont want to offend you, this is what do i see.

No offense, but he is simple not turanid. There are turanid hungarians (although their number is very overrated in internet), for example this is real hungarian turanid:

https://pb2.jegy.hu/imgs/system-4/actor/000/011/793/csukas-istvan-474-279-85609.jpg

Márki-zay looks completely different.

[Hektor12]

https://pb2.jegy.hu/imgs/system-4/actor/000/011/793/csukas-istvan-474-279-85609.jpg

Istvan Csukas, very famous person here.

What i want to say is Turanid doesnt always mean "strong asian signs" in phenotype.

For example this two person below are both Turanids but different variants.

http://idora.gazetevatan.com/vatangalerifile/Detail/2015/03/07/ridvan-dilmen-tahtimi-messi-ye-devrettim-1084058.jpg

What we call Turanid is sometimes "a shadow" of original Turanid, due to long history of steppe movements and intermixing. I think some antropologists have seen little Turanid signs to call "Turanid" pretty similar how Norbie calls somebody mongolian when he sees little bit of asian traces.

[TheMaestro]

Alföld Alpinid blend imo.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ffvEcbyJk8o/XlbgWSQixYI/AAAAAAAAC94/GUGStpkgCpYsL3BkTYA5j3wXTtwH_56JwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/BISABUELOpaternoALFOLD.JPEG

Turanid? His eyes are deep and rather big. He has huge Balkan admixtures, nothing Anatolian/W Asian..

[Immanenz]

Istvan Csukas, very famous person here.

What i want to say is Turanid doesnt always mean "strong asian signs" in phenotype.

For example this two person below are both Turanids but different variants.

http://idora.gazetevatan.com/vatangalerifile/Detail/2015/03/07/ridvan-dilmen-tahtimi-messi-ye-devrettim-1084058.jpg

What we call Turanid is sometimes "a shadow" of original Turanid, due to long history of steppe movements and intermixing. I think some antropologists have seen little Turanid signs to call "Turanid" pretty similar how Norbie calls somebody mongolian when he sees little bit of asian traces.

No, the guy is certainly not Turanid, you obv. have to have a Turanic look to be Turanid, otherwise you can classify anyone with his nationality or genetic clustering etc. No need for phenotypes or taxonomy.

[Tooting Carmen]

Looks Balkanite or Euro-leaning Turk.

[Mixdguy17]

Gorid-Med

I agree he looks very Balkan

[Dunai]

1/3 of hungarian national team is danube swabian: Ádám Lang, Csaba Spandler, László Kleinheisler, András Schäfer, Szabolcs Schön, János Hahn, Filip Holender.

You commit the same mistake of people who say if you have the name Horváth, Tóth, Oláh it means those people must be Croatians, Slovaks or Romanians. Surnames simply don't equate ethnicity, especially in Modern Hungary when everybody is so mixed. I don't even know if there are any "pure" Danube Swabians living today in Hungary, besides some older people, that's how much they intermarried with Hungarians. None of those players are Danube Swabians, but they are Modern Hungarians, doubt any of them can even speak German, especially I know Kleinheisler can't since he pretty much was given away by his former German club since he couldn't really learn German when he went there.

[Blondie]

You commit the same mistake of people who say if you have the name Horváth, Tóth, Oláh it means those people must be Croatians, Slovaks or Romanians. Surnames simply don't equate ethnicity, especially in Modern Hungary when everybody is so mixed. I don't even know if there are any "pure" Danube Swabians living today in Hungary, besides some older people, that's how much they intermarried with Hungarians. None of those players are Danube Swabians, but they are Modern Hungarians, doubt any of them can even speak German, especially I know Kleinheisler can't since he pretty much was given away by his former German club since he couldn't really learn German when he went there.

The difference is "tóth, oláh, horváth" means an ethnicity, but these names are german surnames what has no such ethnic meaning like Tóth, these families have danube swabian ancestry. I have never said danube swabians are pure germans, most of them have partly hungarian ancestry, but they still keep their culture and identity. After 1945 many danube swabian denied their german ancestry because of nazis, today officially 0,2 million german live in Hungary, but their real number is much bigger, ad it's grows year by year, because many local german have found their german roots again.
Just a question, if transylvanian guy has mostly hungarian ancestry, he consider himself hungarian, but he can speak just in middle or lower level, would you consider him romanian?

[Dunai]

The difference is "tóth, oláh, horváth" means an ethnicity, but these names are german surnames what has no such ethnic meaning like Tóth, these families have danube swabian ancestry. I have never said danube swabians are pure germans, most of them have partly hungarian ancestry, but they still keep their culture and identity. After 1945 many danube swabian denied their german ancestry because of nazis, today officially 0,2 million german live in Hungary, but their real number is much bigger, ad it's grows year by year, because many local german have found their german roots again.
Just a question, if transylvanian guy has mostly hungarian ancestry, he consider himself hungarian, but he can speak just in middle or lower level, would you consider him romanian?

I am in no position to question anyone's identity, someone is a Hungarian even if by speaking poor or no Hungarian at all if that person feels like it. You claimed all those players being Danube Swabians without asking them, while I never found any interview that they have such identity. To me they are like any other Hungarians, even if their surnames are of German origin. I am very sympathetic to Danube Swabians, having also partial heritage, but I don't see them to be that different from other Hungarians, all who I know that have such ancestry are very similar to other Hungarians, culturally, mentally. I can acknowledge that you or other Danube Swabians can have a different perspective, but this is my perspective.

[Blondie]

I am in no position to question anyone's identity, someone is a Hungarian even if by speaking poor or no Hungarian at all if that person feels like it. You claimed all those players being Danube Swabians without asking them, while I never found any interview that they have such identity. To me they are like any other Hungarians, even if their surnames are of German origin. I am very sympathetic to Danube Swabians, having also partial heritage, but I don't see them to be that different from other Hungarians, all who I know that have such ancestry are very similar to other Hungarians, culturally, mentally. I can acknowledge that you or other Danube Swabians can have a different perspective, but this is my perspective.

Maybe because they are footballers and the riporters always asking them about football?

[placebo]

Looks Balkanite or Euro-leaning Turk.

more like ordinary. euro leaning turks usually much more european looking.

https://i2.cnnturk.com/i/cnnturk/75/800x400/5ef1d85ec8c37316a011bfa5
https://static.daktilo.com/sites/392/uploads/2020/08/15/5e8472332269a219f893230c.jpg

this is european looking turk and different than local people. a med-looking person is not defined as european looking in turkey.

[Mortimer]

Borreby Med combo