Classify Portuguese youth from Coimbra

[Oliver109]

Considerably brunet taking into account their location in Portugal, Nordic and CM influence seems almost non existent though quite a lot of Alpines and Alpine influenced types, many resemble the Lebanese though only the ones on the more intermediate or light end of the spectrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETS7dlAWR1s

[Hungarian_master]

Typical SW European people, but there are some people with immigrant backround.

Atlanto Meds, Alpinids, Alpine-Meds, Gracile Meds and here and there SSA origin people.

[Oliver109]

Typical SW European people, but there are some people with immigrant backround.

Yeah it's Portugal so no surprise, actually for a city the size of Coimbra it does seem really homogenous, even Alicante in Spain has far more Latin Americans etc and that is before one considers British cities of a similar size like Bradford etc.

[hurtuv]

Considerably brunet taking into account their location in Portugal, Nordic and CM influence seems almost non existent though quite a lot of Alpines and Alpine influenced types, many resemble the Lebanese though only the ones on the more intermediate or light end of the spectrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETS7dlAWR1s

That private school is known for having many pupils from foreign backgrounds, namely higher class ones from countries like Brazil, which can be darker pigmented but some could still be mistaken for locals, so it can give a bit of a distorted prespective overall.

Anyway, here are some more groups from Coimbra.
I don't think it's the case at all that Nordic and CM influence are inexistent, not by my experience being a local myself, and certainly not that only the lighter ones can be comparable to Lebanese people :picard1::

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335157-Where-would-me-and-my-friends-pass-as-a-group

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342242-Where-Can-Me-and-My-Friends-Pass-As-a-Group-3

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282817-People-from-Coimbra

https://i.postimg.cc/wxngGty8/c1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/6qZJX02s/c11.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/WbRc7QCs/c12.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/WbMLY5cg/c13.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbRJ5Gj/c14.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/P5yGTNxq/c15.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/VNkx61rW/c16.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/1z7LVTDh/c17.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/hjH6pdC2/c18.jpg (https://postimg.cc/YGzdShBF)

https://i.postimg.cc/W3DxGn7D/c19.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7GkBDSdD)

https://i.postimg.cc/cH2y2jJM/c2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/02mPR8D6/c3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/ryRLx8hh/c4.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HjmKCC15)

https://i.postimg.cc/KzRh9Fm8/c5.jpg (https://postimg.cc/XGSPJRZR)

https://i.postimg.cc/JzLmR95p/c6.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/qvxrqjm4/c7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/0N5swD3m/c8.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/yNfzXW4G/c9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Oliver109]

That private school is known for having many pupils from foreign backgrounds, namely higher class ones from countries like Brazil, which can be darker pigmented but some could still be mistaken for locals, so it can give a bit of a distorted prespective overall.

Anyway, here are some more groups from Coimbra.
I don't think it's the case at all that Nordic and CM influence are inexistent, not by my experience being a local myself, and certainly not that only the lighter ones can be comparable to Lebanese people :picard1::

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335157-Where-would-me-and-my-friends-pass-as-a-group

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342242-Where-Can-Me-and-My-Friends-Pass-As-a-Group-3

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282817-People-from-Coimbra

https://i.postimg.cc/wxngGty8/c1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/6qZJX02s/c11.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/WbRc7QCs/c12.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/WbMLY5cg/c13.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbRJ5Gj/c14.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/P5yGTNxq/c15.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/VNkx61rW/c16.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/1z7LVTDh/c17.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/hjH6pdC2/c18.jpg (https://postimg.cc/YGzdShBF)

https://i.postimg.cc/W3DxGn7D/c19.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7GkBDSdD)

https://i.postimg.cc/cH2y2jJM/c2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/02mPR8D6/c3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/ryRLx8hh/c4.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HjmKCC15)

https://i.postimg.cc/KzRh9Fm8/c5.jpg (https://postimg.cc/XGSPJRZR)

https://i.postimg.cc/JzLmR95p/c6.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/qvxrqjm4/c7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/0N5swD3m/c8.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/yNfzXW4G/c9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Thanks for the contribution of images, i think these look quite similar to the Spaniards i posted from Huelva, they have quite a lean look in general and Mediterranean influence is strong. It seems that in Iberia the darkest people are found in the west and southwest of the peninsula probably due to isolation from the rest of Europe.

[Damião de Góis]

Thanks for the contribution of images, i think these look quite similar to the Spaniards i posted from Huelva, they have quite a lean look in general and Mediterranean influence is strong. It seems that in Iberia the darkest people are found in the west and southwest of the peninsula probably due to isolation from the rest of Europe.

That's a nice generalization based on a couple of pics. As for "isolation from the rest of Europe", steppe which can be interpreted as genetic influence from Europe is around 30% everywhere in the peninsula on G25 in the peninsula being its lowest in the Basque Country and it's hardly lower in the west.

Anyway there was already a thread about people from Coimbra:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282817-People-from-Coimbra

[Cristiano viejo]

Thanks for the contribution of images, i think these look quite similar to the Spaniards i posted from Huelva, they have quite a lean look in general and Mediterranean influence is strong. It seems that in Iberia the darkest people are found in the west and southwest of the peninsula probably due to isolation from the rest of Europe.

Then the Basque should be the darkest.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

CV apparently hasn't seen a map of Spain.

[Cristiano viejo]

CV apparently hasn't seen a map of Spain.

Said by an American immigrant.

[gixajo]

Then the Basque should be the darkest.

Nope, because the others Iberians have more North African admixture. ;)

Anyway, differences in Steppe admixture is not enormous.


https://i.imgur.com/sRTGcDO.png

[Cristiano viejo]

Nope, because the others Iberians have more North African admixture. ;)


But Basque (unlike people from Huelva or Southern Portugal) did remain isolated historically, and that was the argument of Oliverio to be darker :rolleyes:

This being said, IMHO Huelva is the darkest Spanish province.

[gixajo]

But Basque (unlike people from Huelva or Southern Portugal) did remain isolated historically, and that was the argument of Oliverio to be darker :rolleyes:

This being said, IMHO Huelva is the darkest Spanish province.

Are you saying that Oliverio Giro (Oliver Twist) is suggesting that original Iberian people were dark, or did Oliverio mean that people from Huelva, suposedly isolated from the rest of Europe :rolleyes:, are darker than other Europeans because ancient South Western Iberians were originally dark for some reason? (for example because of historical links with Phoenicians or North Africans).

Let´s hear what Oliverio have to say about what he said.

[Damião de Góis]

Are you saying that Oliverio Giro (Oliver Twist) is suggesting that original Iberian people were dark, or did Oliverio mean that people from Huelva, suposedly isolated from the rest of Europe :rolleyes:, are darker than other Europeans because ancient South Western Iberians were originally dark for some reason? (for example because of historical links with Phoenicians or North Africans).

Let´s hear what Oliverio have to say about what he said.

He was saying western Iberia had recieved less influence from the rest of Europe and for that reason was darker (we know steppe values don't go with this). But then again, he classified this portuguese person as "extremely mediterranean" so i'm not so sure:

https://i.imgur.com/R4tZaD7.jpg

[gixajo]

Supongo que relaciona ser más claro con tener más mezcla "Yamnaya", y como esa esquina de la península es la más alejada, deduce que recibió menos de ese aporte, y por eso es más oscura.

Me hace gracia que diga que esa esquina está aislada del resto de Europa, porque si vemos escandinavia, podríamos hacer una analogía con escandinavia y el componente EEF, más antiguo en Europa que el Yamnaya.

El WHG es supereuropeo, el Yamanya también, pero el EEF que es anterior al Yamanya, parece que como que no le dan mucha importancia.;)

[gixajo]

He was saying western Iberia had recieved less influence from the rest of Europe and for that reason was darker (we know steppe values don't go with this). But then again, he classified this portuguese person as "extremely mediterranean" so i'm not so sure:

[g]
I know it Damiao...

[Cristiano viejo]

Are you saying that Oliverio Giro (Oliver Twist) is suggesting that original Iberian people were dark, or did Oliverio mean that people from Huelva, suposedly isolated from the rest of Europe :rolleyes:, are darker than other Europeans because ancient South Western Iberians were originally dark for some reason? (for example because of historical links with Phoenicians or North Africans).

Let´s hear what Oliverio have to say about what he said.
No idea why Oliverio thinks Huelva and Southern Portugal remained isolated from the rest of Europe, when their populations are moderately modern (they arrived there in the last times of the Reconquista). In all case it is the opposite but as we know the mind of Oliverio works for free.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Said by an American immigrant.

Who knows how to look at a map unlike yourself.

You're so shockingly dumb it amazes me.

[Cristiano viejo]

Who knows how to look at a map unlike yourself.

You're so shockingly dumb it amazes me.

Are you retard, Galician witch? yes you are. What the fuck fuckin maps have to do with my comment about Basques, super retardo?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Thanks for the contribution of images, i think these look quite similar to the Spaniards i posted from Huelva, they have quite a lean look in general and Mediterranean influence is strong. It seems that in Iberia the darkest people are found in the west and southwest of the peninsula probably due to isolation from the rest of Europe.


Then the Basque should be the darkest.

How can anyone read that and think he's speaking of Basques? There are groups (Galicians, Asturians, etc.) further west than the Basque lands. The comment about Huelva in the south-west makes it clear he's talking far west (Galicia, Extremadura, Astrurias, Leon, etc.) not the Basque lands because Huelva is as far south-west you can go in Spain.

I don't know if he's right or wrong but I'm just shocked at the inability of CV to read simple English. Sometimes I think he rewrites what he reads in his head.

[Cristiano viejo]

How can anyone read that and he's speaking of Basques? There groups (Galicians, Asturians, etc.) further west than the Basque lands. The comment about Huelva in south-west makes it clear he's talking far west (Galicia, Extremadura, Astrurias, Leon, etc.) not the Basque lands.

I don't know if he's right or wrong and I'm just shocked at the inability of CV to read simple English. Sometimes I think he rewrites what he reads in his head.

You show to be incredibly SUPER RETARD. Putting the Basque example is not about west or east, PIECE OF GALICIAN RETARD, but about the inconsistency of the Oliverio argument about isolation.

You are so stupid that I am not surprised why your family had to emigrate to not starve.

[Oliver109]

Are you saying that Oliverio Giro (Oliver Twist) is suggesting that original Iberian people were dark, or did Oliverio mean that people from Huelva, suposedly isolated from the rest of Europe :rolleyes:, are darker than other Europeans because ancient South Western Iberians were originally dark for some reason? (for example because of historical links with Phoenicians or North Africans).

Let´s hear what Oliverio have to say about what he said.

Lol i think SW Iberia never recieved as much Nordid influence as many Cro Magnons bypassed it on the way to Morocco in the Paleolithic and Nordic invasions after the Neolithic never brought a considerable amount of Nordic influence that far south in Iberia, one has to consider the harsh climate and the scortching temperatures in the summer that meant that a Nordid nucleus never established itself there. As for that Portuguese man who i said was extremely Mediterranean, well he is to an extent, a real Upper Paleolithic survivor like this man is to all points and purposes non existent in southern Iberia
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/23/21/4498918-6199235-image-m-7_1537733657984.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

this man is to all points and purposes non existent in southern Iberia


hahaha

https://elfarodeceuta.es/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/los-morancos-humor.jpg

[Oliver109]

hahaha

https://elfarodeceuta.es/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/los-morancos-humor.jpg

Lol good try there but i still see a bit of med influence in him around the nose and chin, square heads are not a feature of Spanish society.

[Cristiano viejo]

Lol good try there but i still see a bit of med influence in him around the nose and chin

:dielaughing:

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

You show to be incredibly SUPER RETARD. Putting the Basque example is not about west or east, PIECE OF GALICIAN RETARD, but about the inconsistency of the Oliverio argument about isolation.

You are so stupid that I am not surprised why your family had to emigrate to not starve.

My family immigrated because they were ambitious and had high IQs. Unlike your family who is probably a typical Castilian family that looks for a job working for the state because the concept of entrepreneurship is not in your Castillian mindset. This is why my family can buy your entire village and burn it to the ground while you watch and then build homes you can't afford.

Pay attention to the bold:


Lol i think SW Iberia never recieved as much Nordid influence as many Cro Magnons bypassed it on the way to Morocco in the Paleolithic and Nordic invasions after the Neolithic never brought a considerable amount of Nordic influence that far south in Iberia, one has to consider the harsh climate and the scortching temperatures in the summer that meant that a Nordid nucleus never established itself there. As for that Portuguese man who i said was extremely Mediterranean, well he is to an extent, a real Upper Paleolithic survivor like this man is to all points and purposes non existent in southern Iberia
[img]https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/23/2

That's his argument for isolation in the South-West. Is he right? I don't know. I don't care.

Basques are an isolated group starting 2,500 years ago. However, Basques were influenced by a foreign population 4,500 years ago.


Subsequently, about 4,500 years ago, nomads who left the steppes of present-day Russia began to arrive in the Iberian peninsula, remixing the genes of the population into a balance of 40% foreign ancestry and 60% of what was already there. This is the common genetic substratum of all the peoples of the Iberian peninsula, including the Basques.
https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021-04-01/basque-genetic-singularity-confirmed-in-largest-ever-study.html

Now while it's being stated that all Iberians were influenced by these genes Oliver believes that Nordids didn't prosper in the South Western Iberian climate. However, northern Spain has a different climate. Now, what would explain isolation in farther western Spain I don't know but it's clear that your isolation attack (bringing up the Basques) is dumb because you're too ignorant to know what happened 4,500 years ago in Iberia or to follow someone's argument because your low IQ doesn't allow you to learn English well even after a decade posting in English speaking internet forums.

Now go rant in CAPS because you're an emotionally disturbed man. Nothing says emotionally disturbed and low IQ like typing in CAPS to make a 'point.'

[Cristiano viejo]

My family immigrated because they were ambitious and had high IQs. Unlike your family who is probably a typical Castilian family that looks for a job working for the state because the concept of entrepreneurship is not in your Castillian mindset. This is why my family can buy your entire village and burn it to the ground while you watch and then build homes you can't afford.
"High IQ"... "probably"... "my family can buy"... "Castilian this, Castilian that"... BeeEEEEEEEeeee, beeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEeeeee, you seem a sheep, immigrant.
Since when Galicians can speak about entrepeneurship, money, ambition etc????? :blink:

I have been this last weekend in Galicia, in La Coruña and in the capital city of Galicia, Santiago de Compostela. I can not express with words the feeling of sadness, gray environment, gloom, darkness, pessimism, abandonment I felt there... Closed and abandoned houses everywhere, all somber, sinister, scary.
And not because we are almost in winter. Weather was fantastic. Simply Galicia is so.


Pay attention to the bold:

hahahaha ;)
You are so incredibily retard you think I dont know where Vascongadas in a map are ;)
No, poor immigrant, this does not go about geography. I dont care about west, east, north or south but about ISOLATION, the argument of Oliverio.
I SO LA TION :thumb001:
You can not argue about being dark or less European due isolation, when Basques are among the most isolated people in Europe, it does not matter if they live in west, east or the North Pole, fuckin idiot :thumb001:

[aherne]

Within Sicilian levels but MUCH more homogeneous: among Sicilians you can definitely find lighter people but also middle eastern looking ones. "Indo-European" influence seems non-existent: the vast majority look generic ENF phenotypes (Med/Alpine, Dinaric doesn't seem to be too present) without any admixture. All look more European than near eastern: it's very easy to find these faces in Turkey and Georgia, but as a group they are different. 10k years have passed since original migration...

[Hektor12]

it's very easy to find these faces in Turkey and Georgia, but as a group they are different. 10k years have passed since original migration...From fresh article "High school girls visiting elders to help them with cleaning.."
https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/yasam/liseli-kizlar-yaslilari-ziyaret-edip-bahcelerinde-guz-temizligi-yapiyor/2423101

https://cdnuploads.aa.com.tr/uploads/Contents/2021/11/17/thumbs_b_c_47c95e371c7b513ceb5c0c32cd04a107.jpg
https://www.aa.com.tr/uploads/userFiles/7fc6ad83-e801-4dd2-b1c1-974abd5a6af0/2021%2FKasim2%2FAA-26137889.jpg

And here is video


https://youtu.be/uQd4zvPARS4

[Damião de Góis]

Coimbra-Turkish friendship

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/portuguese-prime-minister-pedro-passos-coelho-shakes-hands-with-picture-id158520568?s=2048x2048

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

"High IQ"... "probably"... "my family can buy"... "Castilian this, Castilian that"... BeeEEEEEEEeeee, beeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEeeeee, you seem a sheep, immigrant.
Since when Galicians can speak about entrepeneurship, money, ambition etc????? :blink:

I have been this last weekend in Galicia, in La Coruña and in the capital city of Galicia, Santiago de Compostela. I can not express with words the feeling of sadness, gray environment, gloom, darkness, pessimism, abandonment I felt there... Closed and abandoned houses everywhere, all somber, sinister, scary.

You have no idea how normal people view what you write. The mentally ill don't know they're mentally ill. In your case, however, it's low IQ + mental illness.

Galician immigrants are known for their entrepreneurship. The Spanish economic environment is controlled by Madrid (Castilians) and because it's controlled by Castilians ambitious Spaniards need to leave Spain so they don't get financially raped by the state. It's literally a trial just to start a business in Spain.

It's the Castillian mentality to leech off of others. This is why the Basques and Catalans want out. Because of their proximity to France (and hence all of Europe), Basques and Catalans have a strong economic infrastructure that can support an independent nation. Galicians lack that proximity with the rest of Europe and so they lack the economic infrastructure to be able to form an independent nation and so they immigrate (hence why there are more people descended from Galicians in Argentina than in Galicia itself).


And not because we are almost in winter. Weather was fantastic. Simply Galicia is so.


hahahaha ;)
You are so incredibily retard you think I dont know where Vascongadas in a map are ;)
No, poor immigrant, this does not go about geography. I dont care about west, east, north or south but about ISOLATION, the argument of Oliverio.
I SO LA TION :thumb001:
You can not argue about being dark or less European due isolation, when Basques are among the most isolated people in Europe, it does not matter if they live in west, east or the North Pole, fuckin idiot :thumb001:

It's noted you didn't understand what I specifically said about population movements and what was said in the article posted. I should have posted the article in Spanish since you don't understand English. What did I specifically say about isolation? What did I say about migration from the steppes? As I said, you're dumb. Yes, Basques are the most isolated population in Europe for the past 2,500 years but the population hasn't been genetically isolated throughout history. Do you know the difference between 2,500 years and 4,500 years?

For the record: I'm not defending Oliver's theory.


You are so incredibily retard you think I dont know where Vascongadas in a map are ;)

Yes, I believe you're that stupid because you have in the past consistently said stupid shit. You're one of the least educated posters on this forum.

[Sloots]

What Lebanese?
Look like usual Med phenotype Portuguese