Best gedmatch test for figuring out european background?

[Paradoxical]

Hello, i am new here. I was just wondering if anyone could help point certain things out to me in what tests are best to use when it comes to something called "Gedmatch" i've been looking into it for a bit but its fairly confusing to use at first and it also does not make alot of sense to me. As far as i know, i should be predominantly european, around 70-75%. And as far as i know i inherited european blood from both sides of the family so it should be mixed european aswell, anyone have any ideas on what would be most accurate and best for me? Thank you in advance for your time.

[Paradoxical]

hi there best test is myheritage for grouping your euro groups together def do that one. after that I'd suggest 23andme or ancestry

Alright thank you! ill check those out

[Leto]

Alright thank you! ill check those out
Hi,
Ignore that user, she's fooling around. If you are Hispanic, I would say try Eurogenes K13/15 and Dodecad World9.

[Paradoxical]

Hi,
Ignore that user, she's fooling around. If you are Hispanic, I would say try Eurogenes K13/15 and Dodecad World9.

Oh i see, well it is fine yes. I am just trying to make sense of my european background since its predominantly northwestern european, like german, british, dutch, but upon experimenting on gedmatch i seem to be getting alot of eastern european populations in my results aswell, ancestryDNA showed it too, so i am not certain where that came from. But yes, thank you i will try those out then

What would you say is best for "dividing" european genetics component wise then? So like, seperating northwestern from southern and eastern and so forth

[Leto]

Oh i see, well it is fine yes. I am just trying to make sense of my european background since its predominantly northwestern european, like german, british, dutch, but upon experimenting on gedmatch i seem to be getting alot of eastern european populations in my results aswell, ancestryDNA showed it too, so i am not certain where that came from. But yes, thank you i will try those out then

What would you say is best for "dividing" european genetics component wise then? So like, seperating northwestern from southern and eastern and so forth
No problem. Eurogenes would be the best. Higher "Baltic" scores would indicate Eastern European (Slavic) ancestry, "(North) Atlantic" is a chiefly Western European component and things like "East Med" and "West Asian" are more prominent in Southern/Southeastern Europe.

Feel free to post your results here, by the way.

[reboun]

Eurogenes K15

[Paradoxical]

No problem. Eurogenes would be the best. Higher "Baltic" scores would indicate Eastern European (Slavic) ancestry, "(North) Atlantic" is a chiefly Western European component and things like "East Med" and "West Asian" are more prominent in Southern/Southeastern Europe.

Feel free to post your results here, by the way.

Thank you for your clear explanation yes, i was already rather confused on that fact, since i looked up some terms and there was confusion for me what the difference was between baltic and slavic. But yes, i could post my K13 results here, or K36 whichever is best.

K13:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.80
2 Sub-Saharan 24.56
3 Baltic 18.01
4 West_Med 5.58
5 East_Med 4.30
6 Red_Sea 3.58
7 Amerindian 1.95
8 East_Asian 1.64
9 South_Asian 1.40
10 West_Asian 1.18

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 28.276873
2 South_Dutch @ 28.655371
3 North_German @ 29.340841
4 French @ 29.695797
5 Austrian @ 29.805801
6 Danish @ 30.143478
7 Southeast_English @ 30.280022
8 East_German @ 30.340574
9 North_Dutch @ 30.375696
10 Orcadian @ 30.502750
11 Swedish @ 30.639381
12 Hungarian @ 30.880260
13 Southwest_English @ 31.045362
14 Irish @ 31.076080
15 Norwegian @ 31.252739
16 West_Scottish @ 31.274820
17 North_Swedish @ 32.157162
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 32.796963
19 Portuguese @ 32.985783
20 Serbian @ 33.020721

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bantu_N.E. +50% Norwegian @ 20.739197


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Southeast_English +25% Yoruban @ 6.093488


Those numbers at the end of each sentence are higher than other people's results ive seen, most people have like @ 0.8 or something like that but i guess it makes sense since i am more mixed. Would you say these results are any indication of slavic ancestry or do i need to take another test. I heard MDLP is more "Global" ?

[Leto]

Please post your unsorted components from K13.

I see you are quarter black. But your Baltic is somewhat high for that kind of mix, so there might be Central/Eastern European in you as well.

[Paradoxical]

Here are my Dodecad K12b results for reference aswell, for those who are interested

# Population Percent
1 North_European 32.88
2 Sub_Saharan 25.14
3 Atlantic_Med 24.13
4 Gedrosia 5.34
5 Caucasus 5.30
6 Southwest_Asian 2.84
7 Southeast_Asian 1.26
8 South_Asian 1.12


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German_Dodecad @ 31.228197
2 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 31.641504
3 Hungarians_Behar @ 31.695280
4 Dutch_Dodecad @ 32.379749
5 French_Dodecad @ 32.461586
6 French_HGDP @ 32.845844
7 Kent_1000Genomes @ 33.281464
8 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 33.379730
9 English_Dodecad @ 33.443062
10 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 34.220150
11 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 34.250694
12 Cornwall_1000Genomes @ 34.314922
13 British_Dodecad @ 34.418274
14 Romanians_Behar @ 34.538937
15 Orkney_1000Genomes @ 34.777206
16 Irish_Dodecad @ 34.794754
17 Orcadian_HGDP @ 34.823093
18 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 35.647564
19 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 36.007221
20 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 36.189663

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ASW30_HapMap3 +50% Norwegian_Dodecad @ 18.225470


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Dodecad +25% Mordovians_Yunusbayev +25% Yoruba_HGDP @ 3.277409



Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
1 Argyll_1000Genomes + Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Yoruba_HGDP @ 2.744513
2 Argyll_1000Genomes + Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + YRI30_HGDP @ 2.744513
3 Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Orkney_1000Genomes + Yoruba_HGDP @ 2.821416
4 Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Orkney_1000Genomes + YRI30_HGDP @ 2.821416

These numbers seem to be way lower than @6 that eurogenes gave me?

[Leto]

Dodecad K12b is not good for people with real Native American ancestry (which you seem to have) because it lacks an Amerindian component. Dodecad World9 is better for such people.

[OreoMan]

Here are my Dodecad K12b results for reference aswell, for those who are interested

# Population Percent
1 North_European 32.88
2 Sub_Saharan 25.14
3 Atlantic_Med 24.13
4 Gedrosia 5.34
5 Caucasus 5.30
6 Southwest_Asian 2.84
7 Southeast_Asian 1.26
8 South_Asian 1.12


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German_Dodecad @ 31.228197
2 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 31.641504
3 Hungarians_Behar @ 31.695280
4 Dutch_Dodecad @ 32.379749
5 French_Dodecad @ 32.461586
6 French_HGDP @ 32.845844
7 Kent_1000Genomes @ 33.281464
8 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 33.379730
9 English_Dodecad @ 33.443062
10 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 34.220150
11 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 34.250694
12 Cornwall_1000Genomes @ 34.314922
13 British_Dodecad @ 34.418274
14 Romanians_Behar @ 34.538937
15 Orkney_1000Genomes @ 34.777206
16 Irish_Dodecad @ 34.794754
17 Orcadian_HGDP @ 34.823093
18 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 35.647564
19 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 36.007221
20 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 36.189663

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ASW30_HapMap3 +50% Norwegian_Dodecad @ 18.225470


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Dodecad +25% Mordovians_Yunusbayev +25% Yoruba_HGDP @ 3.277409



Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
1 Argyll_1000Genomes + Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Yoruba_HGDP @ 2.744513
2 Argyll_1000Genomes + Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + YRI30_HGDP @ 2.744513
3 Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Orkney_1000Genomes + Yoruba_HGDP @ 2.821416
4 Galicia_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Orkney_1000Genomes + YRI30_HGDP @ 2.821416

These numbers seem to be way lower than @6 that eurogenes gave me?

Welcome to the mutt club brother.

[Paradoxical]

Dodecad K12b is not good for people with real Native American ancestry (which you seem to have) because it lacks an Amerindian component. Dodecad World9 is better for such people.

Apologies, i have no clue what im doing with most of these tests but i hope it helps give you some type of clue to maybe make more sense of my european composition, here is my Dodecad World9 results.


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 51.03
2 African 25.70
3 Southern 9.90
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.57
5 Amerindian 2.18
6 South_Asian 1.19
7 East_Asian 1.05



Using 1 population approximation:
1 PUR30 @ 21.688942
2 Puerto_Rican @ 22.459929
3 Brazilian_Dodecad @ 25.206877
4 Dominican @ 27.962358
5 Romanians_Behar @ 31.011097
6 Extremadura_1000 Genomes @ 31.417078
7 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 31.548727
8 Canarias_1000 Genomes @ 31.559200
9 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 31.603724
10 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 31.817034
11 Hungarians_Behar @ 31.977011
12 Galicia_1000 Genomes @ 32.167725
13 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 32.333591
14 Murcia_1000 Genomes @ 32.471191
15 Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 32.540359
16 Andalucia_1000 Genomes @ 32.550522
17 Spaniards_Behar @ 32.820957
18 French_HGDP @ 32.908012
19 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000 Genomes @ 32.964458
20 North_Italian_HGDP @ 32.977016

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dominican +50% Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 6.075100


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Polish_Dodecad +25% San_He +25% PUR30 @ 1.737784


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brazilian_Dodecad + San + Argyll_1000 Genomes + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.417479
2 Brazilian_Dodecad + Bantu_S.W._Herero_HGDP + Argyll_1000 Genomes + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.421162
3 Brazilian_Dodecad + Orcadian_HGDP + San + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.459816
4 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Brazilian_Dodecad + San + Russian_B_Behar @ 1.486868
5 Brazilian_Dodecad + Bantu_S.E._Tswana_HGDP + Argyll_1000 Genomes + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.493671
6 Brazilian_Dodecad + Bantu_S.E._Zulu_HGDP + Argyll_1000 Genomes + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.497128
7 Brazilian_Dodecad + YRI30_HGDP + Argyll_1000 Genomes + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.503402
8 Brazilian_Dodecad + Bantu_S.W._Ovambo_HGDP + Argyll_1000 Genomes + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.503452
9 Irish_Dodecad + Brazilian_Dodecad + San + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.508325
10 Brazilian_Dodecad + Yoruba_HGDP + Argyll_1000 Genomes + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.508576
11 Polish_Dodecad + Brazilian_Dodecad + Bantu_S.W._Herero_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.510490
12 Brazilian_Dodecad + Bantu_S.W._Herero_HGDP + Orcadian_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.511585


Are these tests concrete enough to even remotely conclude that i have some eastern european ancestry? Even if very distant

[Paradoxical]

Welcome to the mutt club brother.

Thank you friend ahaha

[Leto]

I need the unsorted components from K13, including those below 1 percent. Then I'll run the oracle.

[Paradoxical]

I need the unsorted components from K13, including those below 1 percent. Then I'll run the oracle.

These ones you mean?


Population
North_Atlantic 36.8 Pct
Baltic 18.01 Pct
West_Med 5.58 Pct
West_Asian 1.18 Pct
East_Med 4.3 Pct
Red_Sea 3.58 Pct
South_Asian 1.4 Pct
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.95 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.99 Pct
Sub-Saharan 24.56 Pct

[Leto]

These ones you mean?


Population
North_Atlantic 36.8 Pct
Baltic 18.01 Pct
West_Med 5.58 Pct
West_Asian 1.18 Pct
East_Med 4.3 Pct
Red_Sea 3.58 Pct
South_Asian 1.4 Pct
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.95 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.99 Pct
Sub-Saharan 24.56 Pct
Yes. Here's the oracle

Target: Paradoxical
Distance: 4.1504% / 4.15041402
45.5 Norway_South_Central
25.1 Yoruban
22.4 West_Scottish
4.7 Yemenite_Jewish
1.1 Dai
1.0 Karitiana
0.2 Austroasiatic_Ho

Looks like the majority of your European ancestry is Northern European. Are you quarter African American by chance?

[Paradoxical]

Yes. Here's the oracle

Target: Paradoxical
Distance: 4.1504% / 4.15041402
45.5 Norway_South_Central
25.1 Yoruban
22.4 West_Scottish
4.7 Yemenite_Jewish
1.1 Dai
1.0 Karitiana
0.2 Austroasiatic_Ho

Looks like the majority of your European ancestry is Northern European. Are you quarter African American by chance?

Thank you for the oracle yes, and well im half afro-caribbean half european. My african ancestry is from my mom's side yes, surprising i scored some jewish though i havent known of any levantine or arabic ancestors even very distant ones.

Eitherway, that seems to conclude that then, im probably not eastern european its likely harder for calculators to read me because im part black but yeah thanks for your help in this now atleast i have some more clarification on my history yes

[Paradoxical]

Yes. Here's the oracle

Target: Paradoxical
Distance: 4.1504% / 4.15041402
45.5 Norway_South_Central
25.1 Yoruban
22.4 West_Scottish
4.7 Yemenite_Jewish
1.1 Dai
1.0 Karitiana
0.2 Austroasiatic_Ho

Looks like the majority of your European ancestry is Northern European. Are you quarter African American by chance?

Edit: Oops, it send twice

[Leto]

Thank you for the oracle yes, and well im half afro-caribbean half european. My african ancestry is from my mom's side yes, surprising i scored some jewish though i havent known of any levantine or arabic ancestors even very distant ones.

Eitherway, that seems to conclude that then, im probably not eastern european its likely harder for calculators to read me because im part black but yeah thanks for your help in this now atleast i have some more clarification on my history yes
Your Caribbean mom must be in the mulatto range (50% African). I think there might be some distance Sephardic Jewish in some Caribbeans.
As for the Eastern European, in general, Eastern Europeans in North America are more recent, like the last 100 years and usually people with that kind of ancestry would have an unmixed or even foreign-born EE parent/grandparent. Unless they are adopted or something.

[Paradoxical]

Your Caribbean mom must be in the mulatto range (50% African). I think there might be some distance Sephardic Jewish in some Caribbeans.
As for the Eastern European, in general, Eastern Europeans in North America are more recent, like the last 100 years and usually people with that kind of ancestry would have an unmixed or even foreign-born EE parent/grandparent. Unless they are adopted or something.

Yes, my mother is half black by the seems of my results. I did ask my aunt though on my father's side and she did mention that in actuality i have some ancestors from Poland or Czechia so i think if i do have some eastern european it would make sense, but it probably wouldnt be much more than 5% or something id bet, may explain my higher baltic ratios. But yes i appreciate your help, it is usually quite difficult to figure things out on your own especially when you are new to things like these, i may stick around for a while on this forum though and check out if there are any other tests i could take (and understand) ahahah

Ive been trying out alot of eurogenes but maybe ill try out some more from dodecad and MDLP. Not that it matters much truth be told but i am rather interested in my european culture and i want to see what i can relate to yes

[Leto]

Yes, my mother is half black by the seems of my results. I did ask my aunt though on my father's side and she did mention that in actuality i have some ancestors from Poland or Czechia so i think if i do have some eastern european it would make sense, but it probably wouldnt be much more than 5% or something id bet, may explain my higher baltic ratios. But yes i appreciate your help, it is usually quite difficult to figure things out on your own especially when you are new to things like these, i may stick around for a while on this forum though and check out if there are any other tests i could take (and understand) ahahah

Ive been trying out alot of eurogenes but maybe ill try out some more from dodecad and MDLP. Not that it matters much truth be told but i am rather interested in my european culture and i want to see what i can relate to yes
You are welcome! :thumb001:

By the way, what do your Ancestry results show?

[Paradoxical]

You are welcome! :thumb001:

By the way, what do your Ancestry results show?

Let me see,

36% Northwestern Europe/England
22% Germanic Europe
11% Benin/Togo
9% Sweden/Denmark
8% Cameroon/Congo
4% Nigeria
4% Ghana
2% Native American
1% Ireland
1% East bantu
1% Greece/Albania
1% European Jewish


So yes, Ancestry "Does" indicate some minor balkan ancestry maybe but for some Mystical reason almost every test on gedmatch gives me heavy indicators for eastern european. Thats why i was so confused and why i went on this forum to check and ask yes. Its probably all just nonsense though since AncestryDNA has a much larger database but yes here you go

[Paradoxical]

I thought this one was interesting. I was looking around on this forum and stumbled upon Vahaduo?? I think it is called. I tried the MDLP k16 calculator and these are my results

Target: test
Distance: 0.8209% / 0.82085073
36.9 English_GBR
16.6 Yoruba
14.8 Russian-Pskov
11.8 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR
7.5 Dogon
5.8 Georgian_WGA
2.8 BedouinB
2.1 Brong
0.9 Chane
0.7 Eskimo_Naukan
0.1 Chechen

Unfortunately no native american markers once again though. But yes, i want to thank the people who responded on this atleast, it has brought some clarity yes. I doubt i have high eastern european but i wouldnt mind, they have amazing foods and culture

[Luke35]

Hmmm, the Germanic European category covers quite a bit of Czech, so it is possible you have that ancestry and it is being read that way. However, I think 23andme does a little better, more consistent job at dividing up complicated mixes, if you are an dna addict like the rest of us you could always give that company a spin.

[Leto]

Let me see,

36% Northwestern Europe/England
22% Germanic Europe
11% Benin/Togo
9% Sweden/Denmark
8% Cameroon/Congo
4% Nigeria
4% Ghana
2% Native American
1% Ireland
1% East bantu
1% Greece/Albania
1% European Jewish

So yes, Ancestry "Does" indicate some minor balkan ancestry maybe but for some Mystical reason almost every test on gedmatch gives me heavy indicators for eastern european. Thats why i was so confused and why i went on this forum to check and ask yes. Its probably all just nonsense though since AncestryDNA has a much larger database but yes here you go
Swedish and especially German people sometimes do have an Eastern shift, maybe that's the reason why you get Eastern Euro in the oracles. Germans as a whole are not a purely Western European population, more like Central European and some Germans are as much as 50% Slavic.

36% Northwestern Europe/England
22% Germanic Europe
11% Benin/Togo
9% Sweden/Denmark
8% Cameroon/Congo
4% Nigeria
4% Ghana
2% Native American
1% Ireland
1% East bantu
1% Greece/Albania
1% European Jewish

Basically 70% European (almost exclusively Northern European), 28% African (West/Central) and 2% Amerindian. The Greek and the Jewish might be either noise or from your Caribbean side, who knows.

[Paradoxical]

Hmmm, the Germanic European category covers quite a bit of Czech, so it is possible you have that ancestry and it is being read that way. However, I think 23andme does a little better, more consistent job at dividing up complicated mixes, if you are an dna addict like the rest of us you could always give that company a spin.

I see, well that would make alot of sense yes. Poland and Czechia i think are rather "Central" when it comes to europe anyways so i think it may perhaps overlap with certain things and get overlooked in as you said yes, more "complicated" mixes such as myself and many other people i bet. But yes i think i will do so indeed after i have saved up enough money, since truth be told these DNA-tests really are not cheap, but i do think the discovery of finding new family members and learning more about your own history is priceless yes so in the end i would say its worth it. Whenever i have taken my 23andMe results ill make sure to post them too for a comparison :thumb001:

[Andullero]

Swedish and especially German people sometimes do have an Eastern shift, maybe that's the reason why you get Eastern Euro in the oracles. Germans as a whole are not a purely Western European population, more like Central European and some Germans are as much as 50% Slavic.

36% Northwestern Europe/England
22% Germanic Europe
11% Benin/Togo
9% Sweden/Denmark
8% Cameroon/Congo
4% Nigeria
4% Ghana
2% Native American
1% Ireland
1% East bantu
1% Greece/Albania
1% European Jewish

Basically 70% European (almost exclusively Northern European), 28% African (West/Central) and 2% Amerindian. The Greek and the Jewish might be either noise or from your Caribbean side, who knows.

He's almost adjacent to me. Would be interesting to see how he looks like.

[Paradoxical]

Swedish and especially German people sometimes do have an Eastern shift, maybe that's the reason why you get Eastern Euro in the oracles. Germans as a whole are not a purely Western European population, more like Central European and some Germans are as much as 50% Slavic.

36% Northwestern Europe/England
22% Germanic Europe
11% Benin/Togo
9% Sweden/Denmark
8% Cameroon/Congo
4% Nigeria
4% Ghana
2% Native American
1% Ireland
1% East bantu
1% Greece/Albania
1% European Jewish

Basically 70% European (almost exclusively Northern European), 28% African (West/Central) and 2% Amerindian. The Greek and the Jewish might be either noise or from your Caribbean side, who knows.

In truth i think it is just noise, but if it isnt then it "could" make sense, maybe. I do have confirmed ancestors from eastern germany somewhere i am not sure what that region is called though. I also have confirmed ancestors from france and poland or western poland but thats about it as far as i know when it comes to my european side. But yes, i think i am just 70% northwestern european with no eastern european mixture, but if anyone is willing to test that theory i wouldnt mind

[Paradoxical]

He's almost adjacent to me. Would be interesting to see how he looks like.

Well all the people ive met either think i look hispanic at first glance or Moroccan ahahah, i am not certain if i am comfortable yet posting pictures on a forum i just newly joined but maybe overtime i will yes

[Leto]

You can find out your Y DNA haplogroup for free. Check out this thing:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213476-Y-DNA-and-mtDNA-Haplogroup-Predictor

[Paradoxical]

You can find out your Y DNA haplogroup for free. Check out this thing:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213476-Y-DNA-and-mtDNA-Haplogroup-Predictor

Alright thank you, ill check it out yeah if i can figure out where i put my Raw-data from Ancestry pfff

[Luke35]

I did a quick, simplistic, run on Vahaduo Eurogenes K13... the algorithm did indeed like a little Czech, Polish, or East German ancestry for you. This is by no means definitive or conclusive, but using what you know of your European ancestry (French/Czech/Polish/East German), this is the results. It certainly at least hints that some Central/East European ancestry is possible for you:


Target: Paradoxical(Caribbean-American)
Distance: 7.5688% / 7.56875174
67.6 French_Northwest
25.7 Yoruban
6.7 Czech

Target: Paradoxical(Caribbean-American)
Distance: 7.2396% / 7.23958438
65.9 French_Northwest
25.6 Yoruban
8.5 Polish_Podlaskie

Target: Paradoxical(Caribbean-American)
Distance: 7.6008% / 7.60080350
66.7 French_Northwest
25.7 Yoruban
7.6 German_East

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To get the results above, I ran your K13 with these populations in the source:


French,42.85,16.74,22.72,4.28,9.36,1.58,0.63,0.27, 0.34,0.47,0.31,0.25,0.21
French_Alsace,40.65,22.72,16.81,6.48,9.58,1.60,0.3 9,0.47,0.25,0.36,0.27,0.16,0.26
French_Basque,52.62,6.10,35.86,0.35,3.07,0.31,0.32 ,0.65,0.06,0.08,0.30,0.22,0.04
French_Central,42.40,18.28,20.55,4.81,9.80,1.59,0. 49,0.26,0.36,0.46,0.37,0.38,0.24
French_Corsica,26.74,9.01,28.48,6.84,23.99,3.65,0. 18,0.18,0.21,0.17,0.45,0.1,0
French_Northeast,43.27,20.59,17.19,6.01,8.41,1.49, 0.81,0.36,0.38,0.48,0.30,0.27,0.43
French_Northwest,48.53,22.11,15.45,5.52,4.38,1.00, 1.19,0.25,0.31,0.59,0.29,0.22,0.17
French_Provence,35.19,14.10,22.05,6.40,17.59,2.34, 0.36,0.26,0.26,0.40,0.37,0.42,0.24
French_South,41.77,14.33,26.39,2.70,10.79,1.43,0.5 5,0.18,0.26,0.58,0.53,0.33,0.17
French_Southwest,48.61,8.24,32.74,0.95,5.49,1.52,0 .92,0.35,0.26,0.27,0.31,0.20,0.14
German_East,37.14,34.35,13.58,5.86,5.61,0.87,1.08, 0.06,0.25,0.58,0.30,0.14,0.17
Czech,33.53,37.14,12.43,5.94,7,0.9,1.18,0.14,0.66, 0.59,0.26,0.19,0.13
Polish,30.43,45.49,10.42,5.43,3.74,1.24,0.96,0.11, 0.29,0.84,0.26,0.51,0.28
Polish_Kielce,29.30,45.17,10.56,5.45,5.36,0.76,1.3 6,0.15,0.37,0.81,0.40,0.28,0.03
Polish_Masuria,32.51,44.26,10.88,4.19,3.27,0.95,1. 21,0.16,1.06,0.51,0.33,0.29,0.39
Polish_Greater_Poland,31.32,43.88,10.29,5.18,5.71, 0.76,0.94,0.10,0.24,0.59,0.53,0.40,0.07
Polish_Kuyavia,29.72,47.46,10.58,4.90,2.24,1.00,1. 55,0.10,0.66,0.98,0.00,0.83,0.00
Polish_Lower_Silesia,28.53,43.29,12.88,8.20,3.34,0 .07,1.92,0.00,0.59,0.00,1.18,0.00,0.00
Polish_Mazovia,28.13,46.65,10.20,5.63,5.28,0.59,1. 16,0.16,0.65,0.66,0.48,0.18,0.22
Polish_Podlaskie,30.76,46.51,7.44,3.36,6.18,2.20,1 .49,0.00,1.20,0.16,0.70,0.00,0.00
Polish_Silesia,28.80,44.29,13.79,3.77,5.70,0.07,1. 51,0.00,0.00,1.61,0.12,0.34,0.00
Yoruban,0.05,0.05,0.11,0.20,0.13,0.91,0.07,0.11,0. 08,0.08,0.10,2.91,95.20

[Paradoxical]

I did a quick, simplistic, run on Vahaduo Eurogenes K13... the algorithm did indeed like a little Czech, Polish, or East German ancestry for you. This is by no means definitive or conclusive, but using what you know of your European ancestry (French/Czech/Polish/East German), this is the results. It certainly at least hints that Central/East European ancestry is possible for you:


Target: Paradoxical(Caribbean-American)
Distance: 7.5688% / 7.56875174
67.6 French_Northwest
25.7 Yoruban
6.7 Czech

Target: Paradoxical(Caribbean-American)
Distance: 7.2396% / 7.23958438
65.9 French_Northwest
25.6 Yoruban
8.5 Polish_Podlaskie

Target: Paradoxical(Caribbean-American)
Distance: 7.6008% / 7.60080350
66.7 French_Northwest
25.7 Yoruban
7.6 German_East

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To get the results above, I ran your K13 with these populations in the source:


French,42.85,16.74,22.72,4.28,9.36,1.58,0.63,0.27, 0.34,0.47,0.31,0.25,0.21
French_Alsace,40.65,22.72,16.81,6.48,9.58,1.60,0.3 9,0.47,0.25,0.36,0.27,0.16,0.26
French_Basque,52.62,6.10,35.86,0.35,3.07,0.31,0.32 ,0.65,0.06,0.08,0.30,0.22,0.04
French_Central,42.40,18.28,20.55,4.81,9.80,1.59,0. 49,0.26,0.36,0.46,0.37,0.38,0.24
French_Corsica,26.74,9.01,28.48,6.84,23.99,3.65,0. 18,0.18,0.21,0.17,0.45,0.1,0
French_Northeast,43.27,20.59,17.19,6.01,8.41,1.49, 0.81,0.36,0.38,0.48,0.30,0.27,0.43
French_Northwest,48.53,22.11,15.45,5.52,4.38,1.00, 1.19,0.25,0.31,0.59,0.29,0.22,0.17
French_Provence,35.19,14.10,22.05,6.40,17.59,2.34, 0.36,0.26,0.26,0.40,0.37,0.42,0.24
French_South,41.77,14.33,26.39,2.70,10.79,1.43,0.5 5,0.18,0.26,0.58,0.53,0.33,0.17
French_Southwest,48.61,8.24,32.74,0.95,5.49,1.52,0 .92,0.35,0.26,0.27,0.31,0.20,0.14
German_East,37.14,34.35,13.58,5.86,5.61,0.87,1.08, 0.06,0.25,0.58,0.30,0.14,0.17
Czech,33.53,37.14,12.43,5.94,7,0.9,1.18,0.14,0.66, 0.59,0.26,0.19,0.13
Polish,30.43,45.49,10.42,5.43,3.74,1.24,0.96,0.11, 0.29,0.84,0.26,0.51,0.28
Polish_Kielce,29.30,45.17,10.56,5.45,5.36,0.76,1.3 6,0.15,0.37,0.81,0.40,0.28,0.03
Polish_Masuria,32.51,44.26,10.88,4.19,3.27,0.95,1. 21,0.16,1.06,0.51,0.33,0.29,0.39
Polish_Greater_Poland,31.32,43.88,10.29,5.18,5.71, 0.76,0.94,0.10,0.24,0.59,0.53,0.40,0.07
Polish_Kuyavia,29.72,47.46,10.58,4.90,2.24,1.00,1. 55,0.10,0.66,0.98,0.00,0.83,0.00
Polish_Lower_Silesia,28.53,43.29,12.88,8.20,3.34,0 .07,1.92,0.00,0.59,0.00,1.18,0.00,0.00
Polish_Mazovia,28.13,46.65,10.20,5.63,5.28,0.59,1. 16,0.16,0.65,0.66,0.48,0.18,0.22
Polish_Podlaskie,30.76,46.51,7.44,3.36,6.18,2.20,1 .49,0.00,1.20,0.16,0.70,0.00,0.00
Polish_Silesia,28.80,44.29,13.79,3.77,5.70,0.07,1. 51,0.00,0.00,1.61,0.12,0.34,0.00
Yoruban,0.05,0.05,0.11,0.20,0.13,0.91,0.07,0.11,0. 08,0.08,0.10,2.91,95.20


Oh wow, that is definitely quite interesting then if it is to be taken for what it is. Ancestry didnt give me any Eastern european so i figured maybe overtime it got diluted in me and left my system meanwhile my father still has some eastern european blood but yes thank you for doing that for me then, those seem like pretty legitimate calculations to me yes or well, atleast percentage wise adds up with everything i know thus far and same goes for the populations used.

Though i do not think i am like 60%+ french ofcourse its definitely in the 10-20% range i think, but yes i appreciate it i think its nice to see. I may have to look more into this Vahaduo thing myself then, it could provide me with different results than those available on both ancestryDNA and gedmatch

[Luke35]

Oh wow, that is definitely quite interesting then if it is to be taken for what it is. Ancestry didnt give me any Eastern european so i figured maybe overtime it got diluted in me and left my system meanwhile my father still has some eastern european blood but yes thank you for doing that for me then, those seem like pretty legitimate calculations to me yes or well, atleast percentage wise adds up with everything i know thus far and same goes for the populations used.

Though i do not think i am like 60%+ french ofcourse its definitely in the 10-20% range i think, but yes i appreciate it i think its nice to see. I may have to look more into this Vahaduo thing myself then, it could provide me with different results than those available on both ancestryDNA and gedmatch

I recommend getting on the Vahaduo's K13 calculator (try other ones like K15 as well), put your component numbers into the target, then delete populations from source to see if you can get a configuration that approximates your European side. Run the calc, play with the settings like the Add Dist Col, you'll figure it out as you mess around with it.

Put your K13 into the calculator target, copy and paste this:


Paradoxical(Caribbean-American),36.8,18.01,5.58,1.18,4.3,3.58,1.4,1.64,0 ,1.95,0,0.99,24.56

[Paradoxical]

I recommend getting on the Vahaduo's K13 calculator (try other ones like K15 as well), put your component numbers into the target, then delete populations from source to see if you can get a configuration that approximates your European side. Run the calc, play with the settings like the Add Dist Col, you'll figure it out as you mess around with it.

Put your K13 into the calculator target, copy and paste this:


Paradoxical(Caribbean-American),36.8,18.01,5.58,1.18,4.3,3.58,1.4,1.64,0 ,1.95,0,0.99,24.56

Alright thanks man, you've been a great help. If i indeed have slavic blood i wish to make 100% certain and just experiment for myself. But yes i'll do so and just go across all the calculators to see if my slavic percentages are consistent:thumb001:, if they arent then ill assume its just "Noise" or miscalculated percentages.

[Luke35]

Oh wow, that is definitely quite interesting then if it is to be taken for what it is. Ancestry didnt give me any Eastern european so i figured maybe overtime it got diluted in me and left my system meanwhile my father still has some eastern european blood but yes thank you for doing that for me then, those seem like pretty legitimate calculations to me yes or well, atleast percentage wise adds up with everything i know thus far and same goes for the populations used.

Though i do not think i am like 60%+ french ofcourse its definitely in the 10-20% range i think, but yes i appreciate it i think its nice to see. I may have to look more into this Vahaduo thing myself then, it could provide me with different results than those available on both ancestryDNA and gedmatch

One more thought, the NW French can be a proxy for your combined British, French, and otherwise Germanic ancestry. It will be unlikely you will get one of these amateur calcs to parse out and separate those populations. So you may be forced to try out different proxy populations that can stand in as your combined NW European stuff.

[JamesBond007]

Welcome to the mutt club brother.

That is right these are ridiculous distances meaning you guys have no homeland except American but that means nothing per se as American is not an ethnicity :

1 German_Dodecad @ 31.228197
2 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 31.641504

....

^ Those are ridicusously high distances


In order to pass as a native of a population you to score 5 or below I would say my curated K15 from genoplot (not as insane as the amatuer curation on vahaduo) :


SampleDistanceEngland2.908763
Dutch3.13281
Scotland4.0097629999999995
Southwest English4.223648
Southeast English4.34258
North Dutch4.683567[/B]
West Scottish5.136146
Irish5.144424
Orcadian5.4957709999999995
North German6.023454

[Paradoxical]

That is right these are ridiculous distances meaning you guys have no homeland except American but that means nothing per se as American is not an ethnicity :

1 German_Dodecad @ 31.228197
2 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 31.641504

....

^ Those are ridicusously high distances


In order to pass as a native of a population you to score 5 or below I would say my curated K15 from genoplot (not as insane as the amatuer curation on vahaduo) :


SampleDistanceEngland2.908763
Dutch3.13281
Scotland4.0097629999999995
Southwest English4.223648
Southeast English4.34258
North Dutch4.683567[/B]
West Scottish5.136146
Irish5.144424
Orcadian5.4957709999999995
North German6.023454

Yes, well the lowest distance i get are usually in 4-population oracles and the lowest i've gotten i think was something like @1.24. Eitherway, i am very mixed, both my african, european, and even my native blood arent fully pure so im not surprised why i score very high distances. So far though my european seems to be ATLEAST like 50-60% Northwestern, and the remaining 10-20% seems to be Eastern european based of my calculations. So yeah, i dont think i can pass as "Any" native for any country whatsoever but thats fine, the caribbeans are all mixed anyways pff

[Paradoxical]

One more thought, the NW French can be a proxy for your combined British, French, and otherwise Germanic ancestry. It will be unlikely you will get one of these amateur calcs to parse out and separate those populations. So you may be forced to try out different proxy populations that can stand in as your combined NW European stuff.

Yes i figured as much, some of the tests i've taken thus far on both gedmatch and Vahaduo sometimes cluster my northwestern european either as purely french or purely german but that is fine. I dont need a "Exact science" anyways, just a general idea of what i really am a part of. Ill just keep trying till i find a perfect calc perhaps, im sure there are a few who could be good for a mixed african/european individual such as myself

[Andullero]

Yes i figured as much, some of the tests i've taken thus far on both gedmatch and Vahaduo sometimes cluster my northwestern european either as purely french or purely german but that is fine. I dont need a "Exact science" anyways, just a general idea of what i really am a part of. Ill just keep trying till i find a perfect calc perhaps, im sure there are a few who could be good for a mixed african/european individual such as myself

Use HarappaWorld and PuntDNAL. I find they give the best approximation for us.

[Paradoxical]

Use HarappaWorld and PuntDNAL. I find they give the best approximation for us.

Yeah it seems to be pretty good actually in estimating my heritage and percentages, yet again it gives me alot of eastern european though so if every test gives me something like that then it means its probably legitimate then, did not expect that considering how ancestryDNA only gave me 1% balkan and not like 8-16% slavic. Other than that its good yeah

I got this result when tampering with some of the settings in Vahaduo PuntDNAL k13 Modern


Target: test
Distance: 1.0940% / 1.09398720 | R7P
28.4 Latvian
19.2 Dominican
17.9 African_American
16.4 Moldavian
11.6 Spaniard
4.4 Bantu_SE
2.1 Igorot