Students from University of Galway

[Grace O'Malley]

Where do these students pass other than Ireland? Most of them are Graduates. They are from NUI Galway.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7nC1MV4AEFel3.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/graduate-studies/staff/130626_200.jpg

https://nuiginternational.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/conferring_1.jpg

https://www.ul.ie/ee/uploads/images/made/ee/uploads/files/UL_Graduations_01_400_291_100.jpg

https://media.galwaydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/21145751/AMM-180612-0976-scaled.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/courses/research-postgraduate-programmes/d4805116.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/medicine-nursing-and-health-sciences/medicine/disciplines/pharmacology/students.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IK9Axew.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyAxaawWwAAFxqM.jpg

https://congress.usi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/IMG_0299.jpg

https://media.galwaydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/15221729/Dr-Emma-Callaghan-Gold-Medals-Virtual-Conferring-CMNHS-NUI-Galway-4-scaled.jpg

[renaissance12]

England

[Oliver109]

Pass best in Scotland and Wales, England then the Netherlands, Flanders and northern Germany, the girls in the second photo look very English or American even, does U of Galway have many foreign students? people in the first photo look the most Irish, brunn elements with no alpinisation or proper med influence.

[Hungarian_master]

Brunns, Keltids and North Atlantids.

They pass best in the UK (esp. in Wales and Scotland).

[Didac]

Pass in Scotland Wales England Netherlands Denmark Norway obviously less so in Norway England Denmark Netherlands but still pass decently easily I’d say

[Grace O'Malley]

Pass best in Scotland and Wales, England then the Netherlands, Flanders and northern Germany, the girls in the second photo look very English or American even, does U of Galway have many foreign students? people in the first photo look the most Irish, brunn elements with no alpinisation or proper med influence.

I don't name the names of those women in that picture but the single pictures I can tell you the names. I doubt they are foreign or non-Irish. This is a girl from Galway who is most definitely a Galwegian. It's not like it is a very strange look for people from Galway to have.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/10pcSK8-IPKmCPlFj9D9m8bapbsgncc6iH_dMdAZ2NeWb6mzgZ4kDfmeLk QZ-TExgQaAg5DFhcDPGt5DJK4e9-RRu1pc9VAYSgrJIaJZUp_gNh5xZVKXlvXbamzR64bZ5TwpyPI1 tlb0BdEaKRXaTNM

https://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2018/06/sarah-dervan-5-310x415.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7iHSrQB.png

Another girl from Galway.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GSeg9m0drfo/maxresdefault.jpg

She on the right here.

https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/4814073/original/?width=630&version=4814073

[Oliver109]

I don't name the names of those women in that picture but the single pictures I can tell you the names. I doubt they are foreign or non-Irish. This is a girl from Galway who is most definitely a Galwegian. It's not like it is a very strange look for people from Galway to have.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/10pcSK8-IPKmCPlFj9D9m8bapbsgncc6iH_dMdAZ2NeWb6mzgZ4kDfmeLk QZ-TExgQaAg5DFhcDPGt5DJK4e9-RRu1pc9VAYSgrJIaJZUp_gNh5xZVKXlvXbamzR64bZ5TwpyPI1 tlb0BdEaKRXaTNM

https://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2018/06/sarah-dervan-5-310x415.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7iHSrQB.png

Another girl from Galway.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GSeg9m0drfo/maxresdefault.jpg

She on the right here.

https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/4814073/original/?width=630&version=4814073

These look more Irish, they also generally pass in the north of England as well which has a large Brunn component and would not look out of place in the South, it is actually harder for a southern English looking person to pass in Ireland than it is for an Irish looking person to pass in southern England due to the discrepancies in looks of the regions as well as the fact that Irish people tend to not have dark eyes or tanned skin that much.

[Oliver109]

Also with these ladies it is the one in the middle who looks most Irish, the one on the right the least, she has the more gracile almost Italian facial features that make me suspect US heritage or at least south UK heritage
https://www.nuigalway.ie/graduate-studies/staff/130626_200.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

These look more Irish, they also generally pass in the north of England as well which has a large Brunn component and would not look out of place in the South, it is actually harder for a southern English looking person to pass in Ireland than it is for an Irish looking person to pass in southern England due to the discrepancies in looks of the regions as well as the fact that Irish people tend to not have dark eyes or tanned skin that much.

What is interesting is that places like Galway had a decent Norman input. It is called Galway of the Tribes for that reason.


Galway is often referred to as the City of Tribes. This is reference to the fourteen tribes of Galway or the fourteen merchant families who once dominated Galway between the mid-13th and late 19th centuries. The fourteen tribes included the following families: Athy, Blake, Bodkin, Browne, D’Arcy, Deane, Font, Ffrench, Joyce (One of whom was Richard Joyce – Creator of the Claddagh Ring), Kirwan, Lynch, Martin, Morris and Skerritt.

These families first came to Galway during the Middle Ages and had become very wealthy through trade with France and Spain. Most of these tribes were Anglo-Norman and considered themselves separate from the Gaelic natives that lived outside of the city walls. With their arrival they drove the Gaelic family the O Flaherties to the rough and wild landscape of Connemara. The O Flahertys became feared and on the surrounding wall of the city the words “From the Ferocious O Flaherty’s O Lord deliver us” were inscribed.

http://claddaghlegend.com/?p=431

[Oliver109]

What is interesting is that places like Galway had a decent Norman input. It is called Galway of the Tribes for that reason.



http://claddaghlegend.com/?p=431

That got me thinking why Irish with Norman names often still look incredibly Irish while the English with Norman names often show more French or Flemish influence in their facial features(think of Hugh Fearnley Whittingshall for example) i think the Normans in Ireland probably assimilated more than the ones in England, they became as Irish as the Irish while the English Normans kept a strict rule on who they associated with.

[Didac]

What is interesting is that places like Galway had a decent Norman input. It is called Galway of the Tribes for that reason.



http://claddaghlegend.com/?p=431



Idk about the normans in Ireland, but the normans that came to England in the Norman conquest were actually Danes that settled there and not ethnic French but ethnic Danes.

[Grace O'Malley]

That got me thinking why Irish with Norman names often still look incredibly Irish while the English with Norman names often show more French or Flemish influence in their facial features(think of Hugh Fearnley Whittingshall for example) i think the Normans in Ireland probably assimilated more than the ones in England, they became as Irish as the Irish while the English Normans kept a strict rule on who they associated with.

Yes the Normans in Ireland totally integrated ending up speaking Gaelic and immersing themselves in Irish ways. They went native so to speak. It is one of the reasons why the Statutes of Kilkenny came in but they were ignored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes_of_Kilkenny

[Oliver109]

Yes the Normans in Ireland totally integrated ending up speaking Gaelic and immersing themselves in Irish ways. They went native so to speak. It is one of the reasons why the Statutes of Kilkenny came in but they were ignored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes_of_Kilkenny

Could be a case of Irish culture making it easier for foreigners to settle in, it is interesting how myself and members of my part Spanish family have always felt a sense of warmth, a welcome from the Irish people and have had a lot of friends from that country or rather originally from that country, it may be the case that in Ireland the Normans felt encouraged by the Irish while in the UK they did not as British attitudes were always more hostile to the foreigner, it is interesting anyway.

[Oliver109]

Yes the Normans in Ireland totally integrated ending up speaking Gaelic and immersing themselves in Irish ways. They went native so to speak. It is one of the reasons why the Statutes of Kilkenny came in but they were ignored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes_of_Kilkenny

Could be a case of Irish culture making it easier for foreigners to settle in, it is interesting how myself and members of my part Spanish family have always felt a sense of warmth, a welcome from the Irish people and have had a lot of friends from that country or rather originally from that country, it may be the case that in Ireland the Normans felt encouraged by the Irish while in the UK they did not as British attitudes were always more hostile to the foreigner, it is interesting anyway.

[Didac]

Could be a case of Irish culture making it easier for foreigners to settle in, it is interesting how myself and members of my part Spanish family have always felt a sense of warmth, a welcome from the Irish people and have had a lot of friends from that country or rather originally from that country, it may be the case that in Ireland the Normans felt encouraged by the Irish while in the UK they did not as British attitudes were always more hostile to the foreigner, it is interesting anyway.


Lol maybe because the Danish invasion of England of the Danes that settled in Normandy was just that it was an invasion evidence by history and how the Danes in this instance conquered the Saxons

[Grace O'Malley]

Could be a case of Irish culture making it easier for foreigners to settle in, it is interesting how myself and members of my part Spanish family have always felt a sense of warmth, a welcome from the Irish people and have had a lot of friends from that country or rather originally from that country, it may be the case that in Ireland the Normans felt encouraged by the Irish while in the UK they did not as British attitudes were always more hostile to the foreigner, it is interesting anyway.

It was a clan society. If you married into the clan you were family. Gaelic society also had the practice of fosterage whereby the eldest son was sent to live with a different family in another clan until he was 16 years old so he would develop deep bonds with his foster family. Gaelic society was very interesting.

https://www.libraryireland.com/Brehon-Laws/Fosterage.php

[Creoda]

Could be a case of Irish culture making it easier for foreigners to settle in, it is interesting how myself and members of my part Spanish family have always felt a sense of warmth, a welcome from the Irish people and have had a lot of friends from that country or rather originally from that country, it may be the case that in Ireland the Normans felt encouraged by the Irish while in the UK they did not as British attitudes were always more hostile to the foreigner, it is interesting anyway.
Ireland was far more fragmented and tribal than England, so it was easier for them there. In England it was a hostile takeover of a united Kingdom, decapitation of the Anglo-Saxon nobility/hierarchy and imposition of French language and law, more like the later English plantation of Ireland.

[Grace O'Malley]

Idk about the normans in Ireland, but the normans that came to England in the Norman conquest were actually Danes that settled there and not ethnic French but ethnic Danes.

Normans had Scandinavian and French ancestry by the time they came to England they spoke Norman French. Normans that came to Ireland came via England and had usually spent some time in England and Wales beforehand. They also brought Welsh archers with them when they came to Ireland. The Irish name Walsh has an origin from this time.


Walsh is a common Irish surname, meaning "Briton" or "foreigner", literally "Welshman" or "Wales", taken to Ireland by soldiers from Britain, namely Cambro-Norman/Welsh, Cornish and Cumbrian soldiers during and after the Norman invasion of Ireland. It is most common in County Mayo and County Kilkenny. It is the fourth most common surname in Ireland,[1] and the 265th most common in the United States. There are variants including "Walshe", “Welch”, "Welsh", "Brannagh", and the Irish "Breathnach". Walsh is uncommon as a given name. The name is often pronounced "Welsh" in the south and west of the country.[2] In Great Britain, Guppy encountered the name only in Lancashire.[1] It is the surname of the Barons Ormathwaite.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walsh_(surname)

[Didac]

Normans had Scandinavian and French ancestry by the time they came to England they spoke Norman French. Normans that came to Ireland came via England and had usually spent some time in England and Wales beforehand. They also brought Welsh archers with them when they came to Ireland. The Irish name Walsh has an origin from this time.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walsh_(surname)


The Danes that settled in Normandy took Norman names and spoke French yes however they had still brought women from Denmark and they weren’t having many children it was only 200 years before they invaded England from Normandy. That means along with their own women likely most of their ethnical heritage was mostly if not all Danish.

[Grace O'Malley]

Here's a video of people from Galway. Gives a good idea of what people look like in that part of the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LETGL7wgNBI

This one is longer but it looks like most of the town is there. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNs0vKDvs0g

[Roy]

Phenotypes: A lot of Brunns, but also Keltic Nordid and Atlantic is prominent. The women look more distinctly Irish to me than men. Above 50% would look clearly alien to me here, in Poland.

[aherne]

They are more Northern European looking than average English (among whom there are plenty of Meds and Alpines, even though just a minority): same mix of local CM and Aryan (Corded) but local CM was more brunet hence Corded element didn't contribute either to darkness or lightness (in Scandinavia people with Corded features are darker than those without). ENF influence is minimal...

The big majority of adults are brown haired with a golden hair minority (few are redheads).

[Odelia]

Not to be that sour bitch here, but honestly...what's the point of displaying NW Europeans, specifically Anglo-Celts? They would naturally look where they're from...They're the most purest, homogenous looking types that wouldn't pass elsewhere really but the British Isles and fucking Ireland! It is more understandable to make a thread on the more ambiguous and diverse looking European groups such as those in the south, central and east of Europe, who can look exotic, more outlandish and more outlying. Seriously, all these individuals, all only pass in their country and England! Boring if you'd ask me...:bored:

....Next make a list of Chinese people and tell us where they pass outside of China. That's how NW Europeans look to me. They all have the same look - Ruddy, blondish, light-eyed and pale, and repeat!

https://i.imgur.com/IK9Axew.png
https://img.emg-services.net/HtmlPages/HtmlPage12421/chinese-students.png

Seriously, they're all one phenotype! :picard2:

[Grace O'Malley]

Not to be that sour bitch here, but honestly...what's the point of displaying NW Europeans, specifically Anglo-Celts? They would naturally look where they're from...They're the most purest, homogenous looking types that wouldn't pass elsewhere really but the British Isles and fucking Ireland! It is more understandable to make a thread on the more ambiguous and diverse looking European groups such as those in the south, central and east of Europe, who can look exotic, more outlandish and more outlying. Seriously, all these individuals, all only pass in their country and England! Boring if you'd ask me...:bored:

....Next make a list of Chinese people and tell us where they pass outside of China. That's how NW Europeans look to me. They all have the same look - Ruddy, blondish, light-eyed and pale, and repeat!

https://i.imgur.com/IK9Axew.png
https://img.emg-services.net/HtmlPages/HtmlPage12421/chinese-students.png

Seriously, they're all one phenotype! :picard2:

We all have our biases. You do and I do also. Being Irish that is the population that I have my main interest in. Generally I would ignore threads on populations that I'm not particularly interested in. :)

[Odelia]

So let's try something like this (Spanish students), where you can see diverse phenotypes with dark hair to light hair, light skin to olive skin, also varying eye colours, and thus would invoke deep fucking debates as to where they can be placed and passed (ambiguity is beautiful):

https://www.soveratoweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Millennial2.jpg

A far cry from this, who look like siblings and cousins really from the same town, with same hair colour (dyed hair is not natural), skin tone and probably all have the same fucking eye colour:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7nC1MV4AEFel3.jpg

Very fun...:bored:

[Grace O'Malley]

So let's try something like this (Spanish students), where you can see diverse phenotypes with dark hair to light hair, light skin to olive skin, also varying eye colours, and thus would invoke deep fucking debates as to where they can be placed and passed (ambiguity is beautiful):

https://www.soveratoweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Millennial2.jpg

A far cry from this, who look like siblings and cousins really from the same town, with same hair colour (dyed hair is not natural), skin tone and probably all have the same fucking eye colour:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7nC1MV4AEFel3.jpg

Very fun...:bored:

You're a bit aggressive Odelia. Most of the threads on here are about the populations you have mentioned. Let us boring people have our day as well. :) As I say different strokes for different folks. People are usually interested in their own populations. I do not share your opinions of course and no one is going to influence me as to what I post. I don't understand your aggressive attitude? If you didn't care you would not have posted in this thread. There is something that is causing you some angst. What other populations do you not want people to post about?

[Grace O'Malley]

Speaking of eye colour statistics I've read in the past on a study on the Cork population that 20% had green eyes which is one of the highest percentages of this colour in the world. Also Irish hair colour is very variant. Irish have always appeared to me to have one of the highest variance in hair colour and are far less uniform in things like hair and eye colour than Scandinavians or Southern European populations.


Beckoning like glimmering emeralds, green eyes are some of the rarest in the world. Despite this, some areas have a huge concentration of green-eyed people. While rare elsewhere, green and blue-eyed people are so common in Ireland and Scotland that over 86% of the population has them. People are not born with green eyes, however, but grow into them. All babies are born with either blue or brown eyes, and they can develop green eyes by about 6 months old.

Green eyes are formed by a combination of light-brown and yellowish pigmentation, combined with Rayleigh scattering. Outside of Ireland and Scotland, people with green eyes live mostly in Northern Europe.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-eye-color-is-the-most-common-in-the-world.html

Irish also have the highest percentage of the IRF4 gene and the next highest are some North Caucasus population. This is an interesting statistic to me.

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0092867413012981-figs1_lrg.jpg

Most of the threads on here are about Spanish and Eastern Europeans so you can occupy yourself with those threads. The populations I'm most interested in are the Irish naturally and also the British because of the shared history. I'm also interested in other populations that have some connection to the Irish such as the French and Scandinavians. I'm interested in what deep ancestry shows such as what affect the Celts from Europe had in Ireland, also groups like the Normans and Vikings. That is what I post on. Make your own threads Odelia. No one is stopping you from posting on your interests but I would like to know why you have so much animosity to posts about the Irish?

[Grace O'Malley]

Some interesting facts about Galway so hold my Micil Irish poitín. :irishdancer: :food-smiley-004:

*In 1477, Christopher Columbus visited Galway and this was noted in the margin of his copy of Imago Mundi. The people of his birthplace, Genoa in Italy, presented a memorial to the people of Galway in commemoration of this visit.

*After the English Civil War(s) the British parliament at the behest of Oliver Cromwell ordered the execution of the defeated Charles 1. So that he would not be executed by an Englishman volunteers were looked for in Scotland and Ireland. Two Galway soldiers Gunning and Dear offered their services and were sent to England. On 30 January 1649, Gunning was chosen to perform the execution. As a reward, the property where the pub The King’s Head now stands was bestowed on him.

*There are 35 heritage sites, 31 museums and 10 art galleries in Galway City and County.

*Galway has the largest Gaeltacht (Irish speaking community) in Ireland. The other Gaeltacht areas cover extensive parts of counties Donegal, Mayo and Kerry and also parts of counties Cork, Meath and Waterford. Galway may be known for its contemporary atmosphere and vibrant youth culture but Galway has the largest Gaeltacht (Irish speaking community) in all of Ireland.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/5af3f/34258277.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/Ghaeltacht.jpg

*Home to Europe’s second-fastest flowing river – the River Corrib

https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/fishery-tower-museum-galway-city-co-galway-web-size-1536x1024.jpg

*Lough Corrib - Is the second largest lough in Ireland. Loch Coirib is a corruption of Loch Oirbsean. According to placename lore, this refers to Oirbsen or Oirbsiu—another name for the Tuatha Dé Danann figure Manannán mac Lir—who is believed to have been a god of the sea.

Surveys have been undertaken since 2007 by a local surveyor/cartographer to create up-to-date charts of Lough Corrib. These have uncovered a number of objects of historical significance, which have been investigated by the Underwater Archaeology Unit of the National Monuments Service. These include Bronze Age and Iron Age vessels (Dugout canoes), the "Annaghkeen Boat" being 40 ft in length and intricately carved, the "Carrowmoreknock Boat", a well preserved 10th century vessel carrying three Viking battle axes, and the wreck of a Victorian pleasure yacht.

Lough Corrib is reputed to have 365 islands. Most famous of which is Inchagoill Island. Located midway between Cong and Oughterard, it is one of the largest of the many wooded islands along Lough Corrib. The island has spectacular views of the Maumturk range. Joyce Country and the mountains of Connemara, and it is also home to two ancient venerated sites, set close together in its woods' St Patrick's Church believed to have been erected in the 5th century and the tiny 12th century Church of the Saints. There are secluded beaches and enchanting woods with a variety of walks around the island. There is evidence of an early monastic settlement which still mostly remains a mystery. There are two churches remaining, St. Patrick's and the 12th century church known as the "saints" church. There are several paths around the island, an old cemetery and remains of four or five cottages which housed the few inhabitants on the island.

https://www.galway-ireland.ie/lough-corrib.htm

https://guidetoconnemara.com/wp-content/uploads/Lough_Corrib__Clonbur_._Co._Galway-Copy.jpg

https://www.galway-ireland.ie/images/map-lough-corrib.jpg

*Muckanaghederdauhaulia, Co. Galway, is often believed to be the longest town name in Ireland at 22 letters. A small village in the Connemara Gaeltacht area between Camus and Carraroe, it is also thought to be the longest name for a port in the world. The original Irish name for this place is Muiceanach idir Dhá Sháile – which literally means ‘pig-shaped hill between two seas’.

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/33775354_2134763110103294_8335333702401785856_n.pn g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=M0N6YdPIm40AX9HdQdr&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=d93559927cdc2f048963151e5e2a8d95&oe=61BCC7B4

*Home to merchant families – 14 to be exact. Galway has always been a vibrant city; this characteristic is certainly not a recent development. In fact, in medieval times, Galway was controlled by 14 merchant families, or ‘tribes’. This is where Galway earned its nickname: the ‘City of the Tribes’ or ‘Cathair na dTreabh’. These tribes included Athy, Blake, Bodkin, Browne, D’Arcy, Deane, Ffont, Ffrench, Joyce, Kirwan, Lynch, Martyn, Morriss, and Skerrett.

In 1333 the city of Galway led by fourteen merchant families who gave the city its nickname as 'The City of The Tribes' sought independence from the volatile Clanrickard Burkes. The town became surrounded by a defensive wall and in 1396 finally secured its charter from the English Crown. For centuries the Tribes of Galway would dominate the economic, political and social life of the Galway city distinguishing themselves from the Norman and the Gaelic inhabitants of ts county hinterland.

The fourteen families who controlled Galway were Athy, Blake, Bodkin, Browne, D'Arcy, Deane, Font, Ffrench, Joyce, Kirwan, Lynch, Martyn, Morris and Skerrett and their origins were a combination of Gaelic, Norman, Flemish, French and English. They took the Confederate side in the English Civil War, were punished by Cromwell and lost much of their political power to the Parliamentarians who had their property confiscated.

https://i.imgur.com/03GNmDp.png

*The Claddagh Ring - The symbols stand for love, loyalty & friendship which are represented by the heart, the crown, and the hands. The origins of the ring come from a humble Galway fishing village but it is now one of the most recognizable pieces of jewelry in the world as men and women from dozens of nations eagerly look for the ideal ring to suit their status. The Claddagh ring meaning is all about love, loyalty, and friendship. The two hands represent friendship, a heart symbolizes love and the crown on top is for loyalty. The ring can be worn on different fingers or hands, depending on status. Let's take a closer look at this traditional Irish ring:

- Two Hands: These are clasped around a heart, the heart hands are a representation of friendship.
- Heart: A representation of love.
- A Crown: A representation of loyalty/fidelity.

https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/claddaghring-1536x1152.jpg

*Home to the World's Smallest Museum - Nora Barnacle’s House. Housing a wealth of treasures, trinkets, photos, and memorabilia of James Joyce’s wife Nora Barnacle, the museum offers great insight into one of Ireland’s most world-renowned artists.

https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/12950183-1762747967292401-891634163-n.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

So let's try something like this (Spanish students), where you can see diverse phenotypes with dark hair to light hair, light skin to olive skin, also varying eye colours, and thus would invoke deep fucking debates as to where they can be placed and passed (ambiguity is beautiful):

https://www.soveratoweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Millennial2.jpg

A far cry from this, who look like siblings and cousins really from the same town, with same hair colour (dyed hair is not natural), skin tone and probably all have the same fucking eye colour:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7nC1MV4AEFel3.jpg

Very fun...:bored:

Hmm .... I think there is a bit of trolling going on.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpeedyAmazingIndianpalmsquirrel-max-1mb.gif

[Odelia]

You're a bit aggressive Odelia. Most of the threads on here are about the populations you have mentioned. Let us boring people have our day as well. :) As I say different strokes for different folks. People are usually interested in their own populations. I do not share your opinions of course and no one is going to influence me as to what I post. I don't understand your aggressive attitude? If you didn't care you would not have posted in this thread. There is something that is causing you some angst. What other populations do you not want people to post about?
Okay, I came across as angsty and I totally get that! Look, I have no problem with the Irish, to emphasize. Not at all. They're a unique people. And that's the point. They're too unique and homogenous that they don't fit elsewhere besides the British Isles and Ireland herself (and hell, that's a great thing).... Remember, your question was "Where do these students pass other than Ireland?". So I simply answered, if rather aggressively (which I take back now). I mean, honestly, people here, and I'm not saying you in particular, have this agenda or complex for their folks to be passed in countries that they favour and lean towards particularly "whiter" ones. And again, it's usually those from outlying European countries to MENA ones that ask such questions with subjects like "Sicilian students, Turkish crowd, Greek chefs, Portuguese soccer players, Hungarian politicians", etc and etc. It's gotten pretty repetitive here. So I saw an Irish post and I got rather hostile and I was like "really? even the Irish are now in this white-passing game". But I now totally get where you're coming from (I had no idea you were Irish at first tbh, just found out that later!). I just took the message and yourself the wrong way. But I do hope you know where I'm coming from. :)

Oh and by boring I mean such threads don't open and provoke much debates, especially when the people predominantly look like their ethnic group. Who would argue whether a person looks more Irish or Scottish? Nobody. But people will argue 14 pages about whether Spaniards looks like Moroccans or if Italians looks like Levantines. Again, I hope you get my gist. ;)

[Anglo-Celtic]

Some of them could pass in the American Midwest, and some of them could pass in the American South. Some of them have an "only-in-Ireland" vibe. There are some Irish girls who are twins of middle class Appalachian girls who are into beauty contests and dance teams. They must share Bronze Age cheerleader genes.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay, I came across as angsty and I totally get that! Look, I have no problem with the Irish, to emphasize. Not at all. They're a unique people. And that's the point. They're too unique and homogenous that they don't fit elsewhere besides the British Isles and Ireland herself (and hell, that's a great thing).... Remember, your question was "Where do these students pass other than Ireland?". So I simply answered, if rather aggressively (which I take back now). I mean, honestly, people here, and I'm not saying you in particular, have this agenda or complex for their folks to be passed in countries that they favour and lean towards, particularly "whiter" ones. And again, it's usually outlying European countries to MENA ones (Sicilian students, Turkish crowd, Greek chefs, Portuguese soccer players, Hungarian politicians, etc and etc). It's gotten pretty repetitive here. So I saw an Irish post and so I got rather hostile and I was like "really? even the Irish are now in this game". But I now totally get where you're coming from (I had no idea you were Irish at first tbh, just found out that later!). I just took the message and yourself the wrong way. But I do hope you know where I'm coming from. :)

It is difficult to gauge what point people are trying to make by posts. It is also difficult to not take people literally also if you aren't familiar with the person. I get a laugh sometimes by how some posters are taken so literally by others when it is obvious they are being "tongue in cheek". :)

If you have looked at my posts previously you would know I'm not a proponent of the "pan-European" thing that some people are always pushing. I know Irish are extreme Northwestern Europeans and generally only pass in the Isles. I agree that when group pictures are posted it is not difficult to make a good guess as to the ethnicity of the people posted.

Saying that though regarding your picture choice I don't think Spanish look ambiguous at all. I think they look like what they are and like the Irish in group pictures don't pass anywhere else other than Spain or Portugal. :p Spanish and Portuguese also form a bit of their own cluster in genetics unlike the Irish who are just an extension of Northwest European genetics.

[Anglo-Celtic]

We all have our biases. You do and I do also. Being Irish that is the population that I have my main interest in. Generally I would ignore threads on populations that I'm not particularly interested in. :)

I'll tell you this, Miss O'Malley. Your Irish threads are one of the main reasons that I visit this forum, and I don't think that I'm alone there. There are a ton of Eastern European and Latin American threads. Celts need attention too.

[Dick]

It is difficult to gauge what point people are trying to make by posts. It is also difficult to not take people literally also if you aren't familiar with the person. I get a laugh sometimes by how some posters are taken so literally by others when it is obvious they are being "tongue in cheek". :)

If you have looked at my posts previously you would know I'm not a proponent of the "pan-European" thing that some people are always pushing. I know Irish are extreme Northwestern Europeans and generally only pass in the Isles. I agree that when group pictures are posted it is not difficult to make a good guess as to the ethnicity of the people posted.

Saying that though regarding your picture choice I don't think Spanish look ambiguous at all. I think they look like what they are and like the Irish in group pictures don't pass anywhere else other than Spain or Portugal. :p Spanish and Portuguese also form a bit of their own cluster in genetics unlike the Irish who are just an extension of Northwest European genetics.

I made a calculator in the past with GAC co-ordinates when I was into this dna shiet heavily, what sets you extreme northwestern Euros from other Euros is the GAC admixture. Why is that? why so much GAC as opposed to other Euros?

[Grace O'Malley]

I'll tell you this, Miss O'Malley. Your Irish threads are one of the main reasons that I visit this forum, and I don't think that I'm alone there. There are a ton of Eastern European and Latin American threads. Celts need attention too.

Thank you my Appalachian cousin. :high5: A traditional Appalachian song with Irish roots. A bit dark but that's the Celt in us. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp_ivMnp0lM

[Odelia]

It is difficult to gauge what point people are trying to make by posts. It is also difficult to not take people literally also if you aren't familiar with the person. I get a laugh sometimes by how some posters are taken so literally by others when it is obvious they are being "tongue in cheek". :)
I'm a new user here (clearly Lol). So I'm familiarizing myself with the people here and gee, some have been terrible and clueless. So I haven't gotten the hang of it.


If you have looked at my posts previously you would know I'm not a proponent of the "pan-European" thing that some people are always pushing. I know Irish are extreme Northwestern Europeans and generally only pass in the Isles. I agree that when group pictures are posted it is not difficult to make a good guess as to the ethnicity of the people posted.
Again, I'm a newbie, but I'll try familiarizing myself with your posts. I mean, usually when I open a thread I barely notice its creator. I'm also not a fan of the whole "pan-European" thing. Funny thing is, the insecure ones are, those that get hard-pressed when they're likened to, you know, non-Europeans (North Africans and Levantines). It's usually them that drool over pan-Europeanism and it's very ironic, if you ask me. Because they're the ones that are not *cough cough* fully European.


Saying that though regarding your picture choice I don't think Spanish look ambiguous at all. I think they look like what they are and like the Irish in group pictures don't pass anywhere else other than Spain or Portugal. :p Spanish and Portuguese also form a bit of their own cluster in genetics unlike the Irish who are just an extension of Northwest European genetics.
In my view, the "Spanish classroom" students could easily be Italian or Greek and no one would notice. Southern Europeans, in my opinion, are pretty interchangeable and variable as their looks go. Whereas the Irish and Scots are more uniquely confined to their region. Very Northwest European, as you say. As a group, they'd even be off in Sweden or Norway. Whereas Spaniards in a group wouldn't be that off in Romania or Greece. Of course, that's just my perspective. I'm sure the nitpicky Greek or Spaniard would heavily disagree. Lmao...!

[Grace O'Malley]

I made a calculator in the past with GAC co-ordinates when I was into this dna shiet heavily, what sets you extreme northwestern Euros from other Euros is the GAC admixture. Why is that? why so much GAC as opposed to other Euros?

I don't think there is more GAC compared to other Euros. Why would that be the case? The Irish appear to have a high Bell Beaker component. But the "extreme Northwestern" is due to geography and where they place in the cluster.

https://greek-dna-sub-saharan-myth.org/images/genetics/novembre-fig1a.png

This is just using Early Corded Ware and GAC. Any other models would be welcome.

Target: French_Paris
Distance: 2.8565% / 0.02856479
52.2 Corded_Ware_POL
47.8 POL_Globular_Amphora

Target: Welsh
Distance: 2.4011% / 0.02401131
63.4 Corded_Ware_POL
36.6 POL_Globular_Amphora

Target: English
Distance: 2.5971% / 0.02597086
64.0 Corded_Ware_POL
36.0 POL_Globular_Amphora

Target: German
Distance: 2.0801% / 0.02080079
62.4 Corded_Ware_POL
37.6 POL_Globular_Amphora

Target: Irish
Distance: 2.9382% / 0.02938213
67.8 Corded_Ware_POL
32.2 POL_Globular_Amphora

[Dick]

I don't think there is more GAC compared to other Euros. Why would that be the case? The Irish appear to have a high Bell Beaker component. But the "extreme Northwestern" is due to geography and where they place in the cluster.



This is just using Early Corded Ware and GAC. Any other models would be welcome.



Lol "bell beakers"

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310915-NEW-ancient-euro-G25-calculator

[Anglo-Celtic]

Whereas the Irish and Scots are more uniquely confined to their region.

That may be true for Europe to a certain extent. It's not true for the diaspora.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm a new user here (clearly Lol). So I'm familiarizing myself with the people here and gee, some have been terrible and clueless. So I haven't gotten the hang of it.


Again, I'm a newbie, but I'll try familiarizing myself with your posts. I mean, usually when I open a thread I barely notice its creator. I'm also not a fan of the whole "pan-European" thing. Funny thing is, the insecure ones are, those that get hard-pressed when they're likened to, you know, non-Europeans (North Africans and Levantines). It's usually them and it's very ironic, if you ask me. Because they're usually not *cough cough* fully European.


In my view, the "Spanish classroom" students could easily be Italian or Greek and no one would notice. Southern Europeans, in my opinion, are pretty interchangeable and variable as their looks go. Whereas the Irish and Scots are more uniquely confined to their region. Very Northwest European, as you say. As a group, they'd even be off in Sweden or Norway. Whereas Spaniards in a group wouldn't be that off in Romania or Greece. Of course, that's just my perspective. I'm sure the nitpicky Greek or Spaniard would heavily disagree. Lmao...!

I don't expect you to be familiar with my posts but I was just pointing out in my many contributions you would see that I'm not one of those posters that push a "pan-European" identity at all. I'm very much the opposite but I will still ask people's opinions in my posts. I've mentioned frequently I quite like being from a peripheral European population. I don't have any complexes about my identity or "hang-ups" and I'm quite happy to discuss anything of interest even it is controversial. What I don't like is people putting their complexes on to me or putting their own slant on what I have said or accusing me of things which I have not said at all. I will ask for them to directly quote me if they go down that road. :)

Anyway no problems Odelia I also appreciate a frank discussion. Even if a subject is controversial people should be able to discuss it calmly. Some people will just answer back with a barrage of abuse if some topics are discussed and this makes it difficult to discuss some topics freely.

[Septentrion]

So let's try something like this (Spanish students), where you can see diverse phenotypes with dark hair to light hair, light skin to olive skin, also varying eye colours, and thus would invoke deep fucking debates as to where they can be placed and passed (ambiguity is beautiful):

https://www.soveratoweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Millennial2.jpg

A far cry from this, who look like siblings and cousins really from the same town, with same hair colour (dyed hair is not natural), skin tone and probably all have the same fucking eye colour:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7nC1MV4AEFel3.jpg

Very fun...:bored:

Calm down! The Irish are a very Northern European population, shows less diversity than a Spanish or an Italian population.

[Carpatz]

Not to be that sour bitch here, but honestly...what's the point of displaying NW Europeans, specifically Anglo-Celts? They would naturally look where they're from...They're the most purest, homogenous looking types that wouldn't pass elsewhere really but the British Isles and fucking Ireland! It is more understandable to make a thread on the more ambiguous and diverse looking European groups such as those in the south, central and east of Europe, who can look exotic, more outlandish and more outlying. Seriously, all these individuals, all only pass in their country and England! Boring if you'd ask me...:bored:

....Next make a list of Chinese people and tell us where they pass outside of China. That's how NW Europeans look to me. They all have the same look - Ruddy, blondish, light-eyed and pale, and repeat!

https://i.imgur.com/IK9Axew.png
https://img.emg-services.net/HtmlPages/HtmlPage12421/chinese-students.png

Seriously, they're all one phenotype! :picard2:


https://image.marriage.com/advice/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sex-memes-65.jpg

[Septentrion]

Where do these students pass other than Ireland? Most of them are Graduates. They are from NUI Galway.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7nC1MV4AEFel3.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/graduate-studies/staff/130626_200.jpg

https://nuiginternational.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/conferring_1.jpg

https://www.ul.ie/ee/uploads/images/made/ee/uploads/files/UL_Graduations_01_400_291_100.jpg

https://media.galwaydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/21145751/AMM-180612-0976-scaled.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/courses/research-postgraduate-programmes/d4805116.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/medicine-nursing-and-health-sciences/medicine/disciplines/pharmacology/students.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IK9Axew.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyAxaawWwAAFxqM.jpg

https://congress.usi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/IMG_0299.jpg

https://media.galwaydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/15221729/Dr-Emma-Callaghan-Gold-Medals-Virtual-Conferring-CMNHS-NUI-Galway-4-scaled.jpg

Iceland
West Norway
West Denmark
The Netherlands
NW Germany
Belgium
Northern France

[Septentrion]

Where do these students pass other than Ireland? Most of them are Graduates. They are from NUI Galway.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7nC1MV4AEFel3.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/graduate-studies/staff/130626_200.jpg

https://nuiginternational.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/conferring_1.jpg

https://www.ul.ie/ee/uploads/images/made/ee/uploads/files/UL_Graduations_01_400_291_100.jpg

https://media.galwaydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/21145751/AMM-180612-0976-scaled.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/courses/research-postgraduate-programmes/d4805116.jpg

https://www.nuigalway.ie/medicine-nursing-and-health-sciences/medicine/disciplines/pharmacology/students.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IK9Axew.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyAxaawWwAAFxqM.jpg

https://congress.usi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/IMG_0299.jpg

https://media.galwaydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/15221729/Dr-Emma-Callaghan-Gold-Medals-Virtual-Conferring-CMNHS-NUI-Galway-4-scaled.jpg

Irish people as a whole belong to the Northern European race. Their pale complexions is too obvious.

[Grace O'Malley]

Iceland
West Norway
West Denmark
The Netherlands
NW Germany
Belgium
Northern France

Thanks for commenting. You don't think they look too Isles to pass in those countries?