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His ancestors are chakavian-speaking Croats from Primorje region in northern Adriatic/western Croatia.
https://i.imgur.com/gswTW00.png
Location of his parents places of origin on the map:
https://i.imgur.com/qdYyu06.png
Maternal origin: https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veli_Brgud
Paternal origin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Lo%C5%A1inj
His Y-DNA is R1a-CTS1211 (a branch of Z280)
https://i.imgur.com/HNL6dpi.png
https://i.imgur.com/6ImF4s3.png
Here is his photo:
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Perunovsin
12-02-2021, 07:15 AM
Looks bosnian imo
Mortimer
12-02-2021, 07:30 AM
Pontid/Atlantid intermediate.
Looks bosnian imo
He is typical looking for his region.
Lucas
12-02-2021, 07:38 AM
Looks like some random Poles I've seen randomly here and there imo.
Is he programmer?
Perunovsin
12-02-2021, 07:43 AM
Looks like some random Poles I've seen randomly here and there imo.
Is he programmer?
Agreed, he looks Java-Script + C#, very OOP looking
Agreed, he looks Java-Script + C#, very OOP looking
Nah, more like a pythonian
>>> type(4.5)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(5.8)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(2342423424.3)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(4.0)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(0.0)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(-23.5)
<class 'float'>
He studied mediterranean agriculture :D
Perunovsin
12-02-2021, 07:50 AM
Nah, more like a pythonian
>>> type(4.5)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(5.8)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(2342423424.3)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(4.0)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(0.0)
<class 'float'>
>>> type(-23.5)
<class 'float'>
Nah, there is definitely some C residue in him, Python race is more progressive
Nah, there is definitely some C residue in him, Python race is more progressive
Is that a python in your pants or are you happy to C me
happycow
12-02-2021, 07:56 AM
Cool!! :) :)
reboun
12-02-2021, 10:46 AM
Congratulations.
Nice results, probably strongly Central European.
Hektor12
12-02-2021, 11:25 AM
Reminds me *****somebody*****
OMEGALUL
Nice results, probably strongly Central European.
Yeah, here are his gedmatch results :)
https://i.imgur.com/xLRXg5S.png
Distance to: Daki
3.38062124 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.54770348 Hungarian
3.58131261 Croat_North
3.58623758 Slovenian
4.10040242 Hungarian_Alföld
4.12889816 Hungarian_North
4.91925807 Croat
5.55677064 Croat_West
5.64707889 Slovak
5.76584773 Croat_East
6.49922303 Poland_Lemko
6.53209002 Czech
6.76053992 Bosniak_Bosnia
7.23047025 Csángó-Ceangău
7.27678500 Croat_South
7.47828857 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.62781096 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.71464840 Austrian
8.30865212 Bosniak
8.31888214 German_East
8.44655551 Moldova_North
8.63032444 Ukrainian_Galicia
8.86022009 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.01389483 Serb_Bosnia
9.22187616 Romania_Maramures
Target: Daki
Distance: 1.5657% / 1.56570080 | R3P
47.1 Polish_North_Wielkopolska
29.9 Greek_Northern-Thrace
23.0 North_German
https://i.imgur.com/x07ZQ0j.png
Distance to: Daki
2.72422466 Slovenian
3.04772046 Hungarian_North
3.09670793 Croat
3.73535808 Hungarian_Alföld
3.87165339 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
4.12760221 Hungarian
4.44127234 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.07048321 Czech
5.15783869 Slovak
5.22505502 Croat_South
6.69462471 Bosnian
7.16702867 Moldovan_North
8.10491209 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.87297019 Sorb_Lusatia
9.38839709 German
9.69385372 Moldovan_Central
10.26610929 Serb
10.81807746 Ukrainian
11.19179163 Polish
11.87980640 Bavarian_German
12.56943913 German_Northwest
12.75973746 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
12.77518297 Polish_Mazovia
12.90101159 Russian_Oryol
12.93610451 Dutch
Target: Daki
Distance: 1.8184% / 1.81840087 | R2P
77.6 Croat
22.4 Sorb_Lusatia
Reminds me *****somebody*****
OMEGALUL
Of yourself, you mean? :)
He is more northern shifted than what I expected. I did expect him to be central Euro like because natives of North Adriatic area are like that, but I expected some Italian influence too, and even some Istro-Romanian. In autosomal it isn't visible at all. Island where his father is from had very large Italian population (even some of his extended family are bilingual-however his father was ethnic Croat), but I guess most of them were just Italianized Slavs. Village from where his mother is from is purely Croat, but they border with three Istro-Romanian villages and I assumed they intermarried with them as Istro-Romanians are Catholics and heavily mixed with nearby Croats.
But he plots just as northern Croat/Slovenian/Hungarian. Y-DNA was expected, I predicted R1a for him because it's main haplo in Primorje and Island of Cres which is connected with Island of Lošinj where his father is from is like 60% R1a. I just expected him to be M458 instead of Z280. Most of R1a in north Adriatic Islands is M458 which is anomaly (perhaps founder effect) because vast majority of Croats who are R1a belong to Z280>CTS1211 as he does.
Hektor12
12-02-2021, 12:17 PM
Of yourself, you mean? :)
His nose is a little bit off though. Mine is narrower-bony you know. But pigmentation is still the same, fair skin medium brown hair even pinky lips. Im sure that he was blond at young age.
I cant see eye color but looks little bit greenish-or hazel? If green that would be the biggest omegalul ever. (:
His nose is a little bit off though. Mine is narrower-bony you know. But pigmentation is still the same, fair skin medium brown hair even pinky lips. Im sure that he was blond at young age.
I cant see eye color but looks little bit greenish-or hazel? If green that would be the biggest omegalul ever. (:
He was actually dark haired as kid, but he has freckles (not visible in this pic) and ginger beard. His eye color is blue.
When we were kids we always called him Harry Potter because we believed he resembles Daniel Radcliffe, especially when he had round glasses like Harry :o
Hektor12
12-02-2021, 12:25 PM
but he has frecklesI had them too, like tons of them from one cheeck to other, mostly concentrated on nose. Thankfully they disappeared around age 12-13. (:
I had them too, like tons of them from one cheeck to other, mostly concentrated on nose. Thankfully they disappeared around age 12-13. (:
Freckles are cute, imo.
Lucas
12-02-2021, 12:40 PM
He studied mediterranean agriculture :D
Still farmeroid of Med subtype mixed with programmoid.
Art23
12-02-2021, 12:41 PM
But he plots just as northern Croat/Slovenian/Hungarian.
Or alternatively Moldovan/Ukrainian. I have nearly the same % in Ancestry.
He is more northern shifted than what I expected. I did expect him to be central Euro like because natives of North Adriatic area are like that, but I expected some Italian influence too, and even some Istro-Romanian. In autosomal it isn't visible at all. Island where his father is from had very large Italian population (even some of his extended family are bilingual-however his father was ethnic Croat), but I guess most of them were just Italianized Slavs. Village from where his mother is from is purely Croat, but they border with three Istro-Romanian villages and I assumed they intermarried with them as Istro-Romanians are Catholics and heavily mixed with nearby Croats.
But he plots just as northern Croat/Slovenian/Hungarian. Y-DNA was expected, I predicted R1a for him because it's main haplo in Primorje and Island of Cres which is connected with Island of Lošinj where his father is from is like 60% R1a. I just expected him to be M458 instead of Z280. Most of R1a in north Adriatic Islands is M458 which is anomaly (perhaps founder effect) because vast majority of Croats who are R1a belong to Z280>CTS1211 as he does.
Are there any native people in Senj speaking Italian which is close to Istria? I remember hearing spoken Italian there but it could have been tourists or something. I was there a couple of time for more than a week.
Peterski
12-02-2021, 12:46 PM
Wikipedia says that Mali Loinj is 86% ethnic Croat according to 2011 census. Who are the other 14% ??? Italians?
Are there any native people in Senj speaking Italian which is close to Istria? I remember hearing spoken Italian there but it could have been tourists or something. I was there a couple of time for more than a week.
Many people on Adriatic coast can speak some Italian, especially those working in tourism. This friend of mine is completely fluent in Italian for example. Regarding Senj, it was always strongly Croat/Slavic fortress on north Adriatic coast and they were even centre of Uskoks (soldiers and pirates), who later rebelled against Venice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uskoks#Origin_of_Uskoks_from_Senj
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uskok_War
Uskok fortress Nehaj in Senj
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D6NJ81/senj-croatia-view-on-fort-nehaj-D6NJ81.jpg
Wikipedia says that Mali Lošinj is 86% ethnic Croat according to 2011 census. Who are the other 14% ??? Italians?
Must be, on this map you can see where Italian is spoken as native language:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Croatia-italian-language-2011.PNG/1024px-Croatia-italian-language-2011.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians_of_Croatia
Keep in mind many Italians left after WW2 and Mali Lošinj (the town) was likely Italian-majority at some point even. So that's why I expected Italian admix despite his father side are all Croats. It's an small island and thus such admixture should be visible even in ethnic Croats. But there seems to be none, Ancestry registers nothing as well. Thus this goes well in hand with my argument most of Italians in Croatia were italianized locals while genuine Italians were tiny minority.
Btw I discovered some genuine Venetian ancestry (settler from Verona) in my family from Hvar Island in Dalmatia. But that is only because my DNA match in Argentina is into genealogy for 30 years and menaged to build our tree until medieval times. Probably if went far enough deeply, there will be genuine Venetian settlers, especially on Islands like Lošinj. But all in all Italian genetic influence seem very weak to none.
rothaer
12-02-2021, 01:14 PM
Interesting results.
Or alternatively Moldovan/Ukrainian. I have nearly the same % in Ancestry.
I even wonder whether you could paint a belt with people that do get about 50:50% Balkan and EE in AncestryDNA from Kvarner Bay to Moldova.
Interesting results.
I even wonder whether you could paint a belt with people that do get about 50:50% Balkan and EE in AncestryDNA from Kvarner Bay to Moldova.
Yes, pretty interesting. However on gedmatch he is strongly different to Moldovans, his north Atlantic is very high. I assume it's from Celtic inhabitants of Primorje.
rothaer
12-02-2021, 01:30 PM
Yes, pretty interesting. However on gedmatch he is strongly different to Moldovans, his north Atlantic is very high. I assume it's from Celtic inhabitants of Primorje.
Yes, I also asked myself whether people in that belt then would be genetically equal. But while I think that the EE component is basically homogenous I imagine that AncestryDNA's Balkan component is more heterogenous. If so, the people with 50:50% with these components may nevertheless score different in other genetic calculators. But who knows? If there is any Moldovan with such an AncestryDNA result (like the testee here) a GEDmatch K13 comparison would be very interesting.
Yes, I also asked myself whether people in that belt then would be genetically equal. But while I think that the EE component is basically homogenous I imagine that AncestryDNA's Balkan component is more heterogenous. If so, the people with 50:50% with these components may nevertheless score different in other genetic calculators. But who knows? If there is any Moldovan with such an AncestryDNA result (like the testee here) a GEDmatch K13 comparison would be very interesting.
Ion Basescul scores somewhat similar breakdown on Ancestry IMO.
https://i.imgur.com/5sxgFO1.png
here is his K13 result compared to my friend:
Ion_Basecul,25.68,29.49,15.21,9.61,12.77,1.72,0.62 ,1.82,2.81,0,0.27,0,0
Daki(Croat),31.87,33.69,12.89,9.08,10.92,0.19,0,0. 42,0,0.4,0.53,0,0
Pretty different.
Btw I discovered some genuine Venetian ancestry (settler from Verona) in my family from Hvar Island in Dalmatia. But that is only because my DNA match in Argentina is into genealogy for 30 years and menaged to build our tree until medieval times. Probably if went far enough deeply, there will be genuine Venetian settlers, especially on Islands like Lošinj. But all in all Italian genetic influence seem very weak to none.
I clearly have some distant Ashkenazi ancestor after all but I can't identify which one could it be sadly despite knowing most of my genealogy up to ~1770. And 23andme tells me he / she probably lived in early 18th century. Maybe there was some non-paternity event somewhere down the line or even an adoption.
I clearly have some distant Ashkenazi ancestor but I can't identify which one could it be sadly. But 23andme tells me he / she probably lived in early 18th century.
Didn't your score zero Ashkenazi on 23andme?
Didn't your score zero Ashkenazi on 23andme?
I have a little. It used to be over 1% but now 23andme tells me it is 0.2% or 0.5% of Levantine.
I have a little. It used to be over 1% but now 23andme tells me it is 0.2%.
Aha, in that case you really have distant Ashkenazi for sure. 23andme is most reliable when it comes to that, if you score even 0.1% AJ there it is real and not noise.
Aha, in that case you really have distant Ashkenazi for sure. 23andme is most reliable when it comes to that, if you score even 0.1% AJ there it is real and not noise.
Yup. That is one of the reasons why I chose 23andme test because there was a story repeated in my mother's family about some distant Jewish ancestry.
rothaer
12-02-2021, 02:07 PM
As for the thought of a 50:50% belt: Sorry for somewhat poor overlay, but here I combined the official figures of AncestryDNA for EE and Balkan components and marked the respective 50%-line. So if you are not too picky, there could be thought of such a belt. Maybe in the range of 40:60% / 60:40%.
https://i.imgur.com/10s6rFV.jpg
rothaer
12-02-2021, 02:14 PM
I have a little. It used to be over 1% but now 23andme tells me it is 0.2% or 0.5% of Levantine.
Does 23andMe right now state 0.0% AJ, but 0.2% (or 0.5%) Levantine?
I find it very indicative how he is genetically similar to my stepfather (RIP :(), and both of them originate from Primorje-Gorski kotar county.
However, this county is made from 2 very different parts: in SW is coastal part + north Adriatic Islands with med climate while in the NE is mountanious landlocked part with continental climate.
People in Adriatic part of county like my best friend are Chakavian dialect speakers, while people in interior part of county are Kajkavian dialect speakers, like my stepdad used to be.
But both of them are strongly Central European in autosomal DNA and both are R1a. They would be even more similar if my stepdad tested with ancestry which provides much better quality raw data (Myheritage has eastern shift). This proves genetic differences in Croatia are regional, not dialectical.
Chakavian speakers in Dalmatia are genetically similar to stokavian speakers in same region, while chakavians in Primorje-gorski kotar appear to genetically similar to kajkavians in same region.
Btw, chakavian dialect which is most arhaic form of Croatian and language of medieval Croatia can't be reconstructed into proto-chakavian, unlike stokavian and kajkavian. It just seems like an arhaic coastal isolate without common root.
Some were trying to prove speakers of 3 main Croatian dialects are 3 different people, but that is not the case.
Does 23andMe right now state 0.0% AJ, but 0.2% (or 0.5%) Levantine?
0.2 % of Ashkenazi.
Peterski
12-02-2021, 03:04 PM
Maybe his family is not very native to this island but came there only few generations ago, after most of the Italians left.
This is also one of possible explanations of such NW-shifted results.
Maybe his family is not very native to this island but came there only few generations ago, after most of the Italians left.
This is also one of possible explanations of such NW-shifted results.
Italians left after 1945 and later (while quite a few remained). His family is on the Island for far longer than that. They are natives.
However his surname seems to have connections to nearby Krk Island as well, so maybe they came from Krk to Lošinj generations ago, who knows. Intermarriages between Adriatic Islanders were extremely common.
Krk always had much lower (or close to none) Italian influence than Lošinj does.
I think one of his uncles even identifies as Italian btw. He also speaks Italian at home as far as I know. I should show him my friend's DNA result. Luckily my friend is a very patriotic Croat.
rothaer
12-02-2021, 03:19 PM
0.2 % of Ashkenazi.
I watched abt. twenty 23andMe results of arbitrary (I hope) Poles and the clear majority of them had AJ contributuions ranging from 0.1% to 2.5%. It seems to me to be a general occurance that is caused by far back connections. And since I even found a rural German from Masuren (Southern East Prussia) with an etymological Polish surname and close to 90% EE that had 0.3% AJ (which is rare for Germans), I think there might have been a respective very old such contribution to Poles. Since that area got protestant in 1525 the Masovians that had settled in Masuria likely did not anymore intermarry with other (catholic) Poles.
But I'm open to new insights. Roy, could you check your 23andMe matches for these that do have 4 grandparents born in Poland (you can filter for that!) and look for such individuals that are obviously Poles (and no Germans or Jews) and have a look at their Ancestry Composition? I'm curious for your impression on this topic. Maybe you can tell. (Maybe just in brief or via PM for not derailing the topic of this thread.)
rothaer
12-02-2021, 03:32 PM
(...) This friend of mine is completely fluent in Italian for example. (...)
Where did he learn Italian, in school or in a family context?
Where did he learn Italian, in school or in a family context?
Both. We attended same elementary school and gymnasium and learned Italian since 1st grade. He than learned extra with his already mentioned uncle who lives in west Istria which is very bilingual area.
Plus he always watched Italian TV as a kid and followed football club Juventus.
Peterski
12-02-2021, 04:39 PM
And since I even found a rural German from Masuren (Southern East Prussia) with an etymological Polish surname and close to 90% EE that had 0.3% AJ (which is rare for Germans), I think there might have been a respective very old such contribution to Poles. Since that area got protestant in 1525 the Masovians that had settled in Masuria likely did not anymore intermarry with other (catholic) Poles.
Is this person one of the Masurians we talked about before, or someone else?
East Prussia had 2,389 Jews in year 1817, so they were not totally absent.
But most of them probably lived in big cities and far away from rural Masuria.
I guess Mazurs (Mazur = synonym of Masovian) from Masovia already had a small Jewish admixture in the 1400s/1500s when they settled in the area.
Gergő Marosvári
12-02-2021, 04:54 PM
His ancestors are chakavian-speaking Croats from Primorje region in northern Adriatic/western Croatia.
https://i.imgur.com/gswTW00.png
Location of his parents places of origin on the map:
https://i.imgur.com/qdYyu06.png
Maternal origin: https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veli_Brgud
Paternal origin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Lo%C5%A1inj
His Y-DNA is R1a-CTS1211 (a branch of Z280)
https://i.imgur.com/HNL6dpi.png
https://i.imgur.com/6ImF4s3.png
He looks exactly like one of my Hungarian friend from Southern Slovakia. (Kassa/Kosice)
He looks exactly like one of my Hungarian friend from Southern Slovakia. (Kassa/Kosice)
Interesting. I hope you'll get your results soon!
rothaer
12-02-2021, 04:57 PM
Is this person one of the Masurians we talked about before, or someone else?
East Prussia had 2,389 Jews in year 1817, so they were not totally absent.
But most of them probably lived in big cities and far away from rural Masuria.
I guess Mazurs (Mazur = synonym of Masovian) from Masovia already had a small Jewish admixture in the 1400s/1500s when they settled in the area.
Fully agreed. This is exactly what I concluded out of this as likely.
The person is our "W., the Mazurian".
rothaer
12-02-2021, 04:58 PM
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Maybe his family is not very native to this island but came there only few generations ago, after most of the Italians left.
This is also one of possible explanations of such NW-shifted results.
Looks like I found likely full Croat from Lošinj. It's his gedmatch match and has a surname which is specific for Lošinj only, and I checked it's matches, it matches other Croats.
autosomal looks fully Croatian as well
North_Atlantic 30.99 Pct
Baltic 29.35 Pct
West_Med 17 Pct
West_Asian 8.53 Pct
East_Med 8.46 Pct
Red_Sea 2.28 Pct
South_Asian 2.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.34 Pct
Pretty central European too, only bit more southern than him, but he is only half from Lošinj. Strong western shift overall (high north atlantic and west med)
Distance to: NN
5.15601590 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.46473238 Hungarian
5.75996528 Csángó-Ceangău
5.94869734 Hungarian_Alföld
6.30822479 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.49647597 Slovenian
6.55808661 Croat_North
6.59760563 Croat_West
6.77229651 Croat
7.10068307 Austrian
7.78467083 Croat_South
8.05502948 Hungarian_North
8.23437308 Romania_Maramures
8.70021264 Croat_East
8.70058044 Serb_Serbia_West
8.99759968 Serb_Bosnia
9.07439254 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.13440748 Bosniak
9.23472252 Serb_Croatia
9.28981162 Bosniak_Bosnia
9.34148810 Slovak
9.67623377 Serb
9.71143141 German_East
9.78188121 Poland_Lemko
9.99563905 Moldova_North
Target: NN
Distance: 1.6709% / 1.67093509 | R3P
79.2 Croat_North
14.9 French_Southwest
5.9 Kalash
Target: NN
Distance: 0.8074% / 0.80738587 | R4P
52.2 Russian_Smolensk
24.2 Italian_Tuscan
17.8 French_Basque
5.8 Balochi
Peterski
12-02-2021, 05:07 PM
Yes, it's our "W., the Mazurian".
There is a high probability that his ancestors did not come from Masovia but rather from what is now Kujawsko-Pomorskie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuyavian-Pomeranian_Voivodeship) - because Osterode is in Western Masuria. I read that settlers in this area did not come from Masovia. His western-shifted results compared to Masurs from Eastern Masuria also indicate it (or higher German admixture).
Of course the name of the region derived from Masovians was extended over entire region, regardless of where the Polish settlers came from.
This sample which is almost surely from Lošinj I posted again has SW French/Basque shift. Again an islander with SW Euro shift. Dalmatian Islander origin people have same SW shift as well (already commented that in another thread).Looks like Adriatic Islands have preserved more Illyrian ancestry than the mainland and that is reason for their high north Atlantic and high west Med. Meanwhile mainland has more Imperial Roman like ancestry, especially everything south of Pannonia. That would match with historical sources which mention Illyrians fleeing to the islands. But of course, later the Islands got strong Slavic input as well.
vbnetkhio
12-02-2021, 05:31 PM
Looks like I found likely full Croat from Lošinj. It's his gedmatch match and has a surname which is specific for Lošinj only, and I checked it's matches, it matches other Croats.
autosomal looks fully Croatian as well
North_Atlantic 30.99 Pct
Baltic 29.35 Pct
West_Med 17 Pct
West_Asian 8.53 Pct
East_Med 8.46 Pct
Red_Sea 2.28 Pct
South_Asian 2.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.34 Pct
Pretty central European too, only bit more southern than him, but he is only half from Lošinj. Strong western shift overall (high north atlantic and west med)
Distance to: NN
5.15601590 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.46473238 Hungarian
5.75996528 Csángó-Ceangău
5.94869734 Hungarian_Alföld
6.30822479 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.49647597 Slovenian
6.55808661 Croat_North
6.59760563 Croat_West
6.77229651 Croat
7.10068307 Austrian
7.78467083 Croat_South
8.05502948 Hungarian_North
8.23437308 Romania_Maramures
8.70021264 Croat_East
8.70058044 Serb_Serbia_West
8.99759968 Serb_Bosnia
9.07439254 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.13440748 Bosniak
9.23472252 Serb_Croatia
9.28981162 Bosniak_Bosnia
9.34148810 Slovak
9.67623377 Serb
9.71143141 German_East
9.78188121 Poland_Lemko
9.99563905 Moldova_North
Target: NN
Distance: 1.6709% / 1.67093509 | R3P
79.2 Croat_North
14.9 French_Southwest
5.9 Kalash
Target: NN
Distance: 0.8074% / 0.80738587 | R4P
52.2 Russian_Smolensk
24.2 Italian_Tuscan
17.8 French_Basque
5.8 Balochi
I posted this one from nearby:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342150-Croatian-results-thread&p=7215453&viewfull=1#post7215453
They all look Hungarian like. But it's possible that all these results include some low level Italian.
Some of those Slovenians you sent me have German or Italian grandparents or great grandparents, and their results don't even shift in that direction compared to the Slovenian average.
I posted this one from nearby:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342150-Croatian-results-thread&p=7215453&viewfull=1#post7215453
They all look Hungarian like. But it's possible that all these results include some low level Italian.
Some of those Slovenians you sent me have German or Italian grandparents or great grandparents, and their results don't even shift in that direction compared to the Slovenian average.
Did you notice any regional tendencies in Slovenian results? Btw, did we ever saw gedmatch results native to Nish?
It's third biggest city in Serbia and I never saw sample from there. Is southern Serbia undertested?
vbnetkhio
12-02-2021, 06:20 PM
Did you notice any regional tendencies in Slovenian results?
Only thing I noticed is those close to the Austrian border actually have the highest Baltic. One noricum's family member who is half Carinthian Slovene is more Baltic than any Slovenian (41%)
Btw, did we ever saw gedmatch results native to Nish?
It's third biggest city in Serbia and I never saw sample from there. Is southern Serbia undertested?
there was a user from Niš here, her nick was something like lilalila, she was around 31 Baltic I think.
It's not undertested, and I checked many unconfirmed results on gedmatch too, the average is stable.
There's no difference between the Shopluk ans South Morava regions (as defined on this map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Serbia#/media/File:Serbia022.png )
The outlying region among Torlakian speakers is possibly southern Kosovo and Metohija, I saw a couple results from there and they are actually close to the Montenegrin average (higher NA, lower Baltic)
Gergő Marosvári
12-02-2021, 07:56 PM
Looks like I found likely full Croat from Lošinj. It's his gedmatch match and has a surname which is specific for Lošinj only, and I checked it's matches, it matches other Croats.
autosomal looks fully Croatian as well
North_Atlantic 30.99 Pct
Baltic 29.35 Pct
West_Med 17 Pct
West_Asian 8.53 Pct
East_Med 8.46 Pct
Red_Sea 2.28 Pct
South_Asian 2.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.34 Pct
Pretty central European too, only bit more southern than him, but he is only half from Lošinj. Strong western shift overall (high north atlantic and west med)
Distance to: NN
5.15601590 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.46473238 Hungarian
5.75996528 Csángó-Ceangău
5.94869734 Hungarian_Alföld
6.30822479 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.49647597 Slovenian
6.55808661 Croat_North
6.59760563 Croat_West
6.77229651 Croat
7.10068307 Austrian
7.78467083 Croat_South
8.05502948 Hungarian_North
8.23437308 Romania_Maramures
8.70021264 Croat_East
8.70058044 Serb_Serbia_West
8.99759968 Serb_Bosnia
9.07439254 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.13440748 Bosniak
9.23472252 Serb_Croatia
9.28981162 Bosniak_Bosnia
9.34148810 Slovak
9.67623377 Serb
9.71143141 German_East
9.78188121 Poland_Lemko
9.99563905 Moldova_North
Target: NN
Distance: 1.6709% / 1.67093509 | R3P
79.2 Croat_North
14.9 French_Southwest
5.9 Kalash
Target: NN
Distance: 0.8074% / 0.80738587 | R4P
52.2 Russian_Smolensk
24.2 Italian_Tuscan
17.8 French_Basque
5.8 Balochi
He is way more Hungarian than many of the Hungarian TA members lol. :D Including me!
He is way more Hungarian than many of the Hungarian TA members lol. :D Including me!
Yeah, there's a big overlap with Magyars. Hungarian Alfold is closest region to me for example in K13.
Lucas
12-03-2021, 09:23 PM
I clearly have some distant Ashkenazi ancestor after all but I can't identify which one could it be sadly despite knowing most of my genealogy up to ~1770. And 23andme tells me he / she probably lived in early 18th century. Maybe there was some non-paternity event somewhere down the line or even an adoption.
If it is one ancestor from that century it is less then 0.5%. How many you have on 23me?
I recently checked more deeply my lines on Geneteka and at first find possible Jewish mother (surname Icek) of my greatgrategreat...grandfather born in 1766. But after checking more it was revealed she was second wife of his father (marriage in 1768) and his real mother (first wife of father) died in 1768 too. Even if it would be real probably would be erased from my genome completely after such time.
RogueState
12-03-2021, 09:47 PM
Just out of curiosity, where would rank the first Italian subgroup (I guess Northeast Italian from Friuli-Veneto-Trieste) in terms of closest genetical populations ?
It seems at first sight not even in the top 30 ! Shocking
This has always amazed me, such neighbouring populations within small Europe to be that much distant, like how would one guess that before human population studies, that an Istrian Croat would be closer to a Russian, German, Dutch, Pole than an Italian from Trieste
It blows my mind tbh
Peterski
12-03-2021, 09:54 PM
If it is one ancestor from that century it is less then 0.5%. How many you have on 23me?
I recently checked more deeply my lines on Geneteka and at first find possible Jewish mother (surname Icek) of my greatgrategreat...grandfather born in 1766. But after checking more it was revealed she was second wife of his father (marriage in 1768) and his real mother (first wife of father) died in 1768 too. Even if it would be real probably would be erased from my genome completely after such time.
And how much AJ do you score on 23andMe?
If it is one ancestor from that century it is less then 0.5%. How many you have on 23me?
I recently checked more deeply my lines on Geneteka and at first find possible Jewish mother (surname Icek) of my greatgrategreat...grandfather born in 1766. But after checking more it was revealed she was second wife of his father (marriage in 1768) and his real mother (first wife of father) died in 1768 too. Even if it would be real probably would be erased from my genome completely after such time.
What do you mean by how many? I have 0.2% Ashenazi or 0.5% of Lecantine per 23andme.
Just out of curiosity, where would rank the first Italian subgroup (I guess Northeast Italian from Friuli-Veneto-Trieste) in terms of closest genetical populations ?
It seems at first sight not even in the top 30 ! Shocking
This has always amazed me, such neighbouring populations within small Europe to be that much distant, like how would one guess that before human population studies, that an Istrian Croat would be closer to a Russian, German, Dutch, Pole than an Italian from Trieste
It blows my mind tbh
In K13 Italian Friuli-Venezia Giulia is his closest Italian population, and comes at 107th place xD
Distance to: Daki
3.38062124 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.54770348 Hungarian
3.58131261 Croat_North
3.58623758 Slovenian
4.10040242 Hungarian_Alföld
4.12889816 Hungarian_North
4.91925807 Croat
5.55677064 Croat_West
5.64707889 Slovak
5.76584773 Croat_East
6.49922303 Poland_Lemko
6.53209002 Czech
6.76053992 Bosniak_Bosnia
7.23047025 Csángó-Ceangău
7.27678500 Croat_South
7.47828857 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.62781096 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.71464840 Austrian
8.30865212 Bosniak
8.31888214 German_East
8.44655551 Moldova_North
8.63032444 Ukrainian_Galicia
8.86022009 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.01389483 Serb_Bosnia
9.22187616 Romania_Maramures
9.57278434 Serb_Croatia
9.82498855 Serb_Serbia_West
9.94526018 Moldova_Centre
10.14883737 Sorb_Lusatia
10.21976516 Moldova_Ukrainian
10.23643493 Moldova_average
10.24666287 South_Polish
10.48544706 Serb
10.69534011 Serb_Serbia_Central
11.01508057 Polish_Southeast
11.09176722 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
11.57318020 Polish_Silesia
11.68537548 Romania_Crisana
11.78161704 Polish_Lesser_Poland
11.84510447 Polish_North_Wielkopolska
11.99673706 Serb_Herzegovina
12.38814756 Serb_Serbia_South
12.44275693 Polish_Greater_Poland
12.51762358 Polish_GreaterPoland
12.89784090 Polish_Lower_Silesia
12.96997687 Romania_Moldavia_South
13.22383832 Romania_Transylvania
13.50030000 Polish_Silesia
13.55685435 Montenegrin
13.67837344 Romania_average
13.80446667 Polish_Kielce
13.80446667 Polish_Kielce
13.98699396 Romania_Banat
14.08514111 German
14.21725712 Polish_WarmiaMasuria
14.21725712 Polish_Masuria
14.47423919 Ukrainian
14.55215448 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
14.60042123 Polish_Staropolska
14.64019126 Moldova_South
14.66624355 Polish
14.92531407 Polish_Mazovia
14.95723571 French_Alsace
15.07412684 Polish_Kujawy
15.29308340 Romania_Oltenia
15.29588507 Swiss_German
15.33114477 Polish_Mazovia
15.41848890 Bosniak_Sandzak
15.44368803 German_South
15.72637275 Bulgaria_Northwestern
15.73642272 Polish_Podlaskie
15.94253117 Romania_Wallachia
15.98743256 Swiss_French
15.98943401 Romania_Dobruja
16.07594787 Polish_Podlaskie
16.14850457 Russian_Southwest
16.16611889 Romania_Muntenia
16.29305987 Swiss_German2
16.45179625 Bulgaria_Southwestern
16.49564488 German_West
17.24207354 Polish_Kuyavia
17.35098268 Pennsylvania_Dutch
17.40491884 Bulgaria_average
17.46803652 Russian_Ryazan
17.64613839 Bulgaria_Northcentral
17.73217979 Afrikaner
17.75661004 Russian_Smolensk
18.22328181 North_German
18.26030668 Pomak_Bulgaria
18.39493680 Belgian
18.40098367 French_Northeast
18.44935500 Flemish
18.44985908 Bulgaria_Southcentral
18.47166749 Bulgaria_Northeastern
18.52938477 Southwest_Finnish
18.54536600 Russian_average
18.62081631 Macedonian-East
18.65483851 Belorussian
18.74996800 Belarusian_Minsk
18.88370462 Dutch_South
19.05593608 Sweden_Svealand_East
19.06394503 Macedonian-North
19.19683568 North-Swedish
19.38122803 German_Northwest
19.44562933 Pomak_Greece
19.91133848 Swedish
20.30615916 Italian_Friuli_VG
20.33481743 Russian_Kostroma
20.42191225 Mordovian
20.47883542 Italian_Trentino
At Dodecad K12b Italian Friuli VG is his closest population at 65th place.
Distance to: Daki
2.72422466 Slovenian
3.04772046 Hungarian_North
3.09670793 Croat
3.73535808 Hungarian_Alföld
3.87165339 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
4.12760221 Hungarian
4.44127234 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.07048321 Czech
5.15783869 Slovak
5.22505502 Croat_South
6.69462471 Bosnian
7.16702867 Moldovan_North
8.10491209 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.87297019 Sorb_Lusatia
9.38839709 German
9.69385372 Moldovan_Central
10.26610929 Serb
10.81807746 Ukrainian
11.19179163 Polish
11.87980640 Bavarian_German
12.56943913 German_Northwest
12.75973746 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
12.77518297 Polish_Mazovia
12.90101159 Russian_Oryol
12.93610451 Dutch
13.29379931 Russian_Voronezh
13.44902227 Russian_Ryazan
13.51081049 Russian_Kursk
13.56508754 Belgian
13.64998901 Belorussian
14.01236597 Montenegrin
14.06059387 Austrian_Tyrol
14.15099643 Russian_Smolensk
14.18630678 Swedish
14.60707363 Danish
14.75790974 Swiss_German
14.88847205 Swiss_French
15.12817570 Norwegian
15.15503217 Belarusian_Minsk
15.35019544 English_South
15.40605400 Icelandic
15.57672944 English
15.59982692 Russian
15.63966112 Mordovian
15.72527265 English_North
16.06199552 Romanian
16.14175021 French_Northwest
16.18180769 French_Northeast
16.44427256 Russian_Tver
16.45558568 French_North
16.64926425 Scottish
16.73335292 Moldovan_South
16.85372659 Bulgarian_West
17.58304581 Tatar_Mishar
17.62364888 Irish
18.04192617 Pomak_Bulgaria
18.13811181 Russian_Kostroma
18.49665375 Bulgarian_Central
19.27964471 Russian_Ural
19.67116163 Macedonian_Polog
19.78973219 Pomak_Greece
19.91612663 North_Russian
20.39478855 Macedonian_East
20.54710442 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
20.64604563 Bulgarian_East
20.78848239 Italian_Friuli_VG
20.80904371 Moldovan_Gagauz
21.35181491 Italian_Trentino
21.47141821 Russian_Northern_Dvina
21.64843643 Estonian
But keep in mind Istrians can be much more southern shifted than people in Primorje/Kvarner Bay.
RogueState
12-03-2021, 11:07 PM
107 and 65, unbelievable wow
I even see Iceland before them...
Even if your friend is Northern shifted, I think the average or even more southern shifted would still rank after 25th position, no ?
107 and 65, unbelievable wow
I even see Iceland before them...
Even if your friend is Northern shifted, I think the average or even more southern shifted would still rank after 25th position, no ?
Yes. Croats (from any region) genetically far away from any kind of Italians.
But you can model them with Italians well. My friend for example:
Target: Daki
Distance: 2.2226% / 2.22256695 | R2P
64.9 Polish_Mazovia
35.1 Italian_Veneto
Lucas
12-03-2021, 11:18 PM
What do you mean by how many? I have 0.2% Ashenazi or 0.5% of Lecantine per 23andme.
Ok this. So I was right about percentages...
Peterski
12-03-2021, 11:21 PM
I have 0.2% Ashenazi or 0.5% of Lecantine per 23andme.
Or ???
You mean 0.2% AJ and 0.5% Levantine?
So in total 0.7%.
Lucas
12-03-2021, 11:21 PM
And how much AJ do you score on 23andMe?
I told you few times. I planned to do another test besides FTDNA but resigned. Because after seeing so many results of people which tested in few companies and their results in k36 or 13 was different by 0.1-0.5% (and it is universal rule and I don't care about specific Ancestry, 23me or FTDNA results). So I have better possibilities to spend spare money.
I told you few times. I planned to do another test besides FTDNA but resigned. Because atfer seeing so many results of people which tested in few companies and their results in k36 or 13 was different by 0.1-0.5%. So I have better possibilities to spend spare money.
I have huge difference in my results between lower and higher snp tests. Really huge. But I may be outlier.
Since you probably have old chip which has good raw data quality, newer tests don't really make sense unless you are searching for something specific like bigger database of potential matches or genetic groups etc.
Lucas
12-03-2021, 11:28 PM
I have huge difference in my results between lower and higher snp tests. Really huge. But I may be outlier.
Since you probably have old chip which has good raw data quality, newer tests don't really make sense unless you are searching for something specific like bigger database of potential matches or genetic groups etc.
Yes maybe if I buy 23me in 2017 when I did FTDNA those results would have some value. When they introduced v5 it was meaningless. And I don't care about their own results, the same for FTDNA which gives me nearly 100% West Slavic which is too high for sure.
My FTDNA is an old chip yes.
Yes maybe if I buy 23me in 2017 when I did FTDNA those results would have some value. When they introduced v5 it was meaningless.
My FTDNA is an old chip yes.
Only Ancestry has good raw data rn as they still use old chip. But their genetic communities are messed up (and they were highly reliable until latest update).
I end up scoring tons of Polish, Slovak and other EE regions and don't even have proper matches from there.
Lucas
12-03-2021, 11:34 PM
Only Ancestry has good raw data rn as they still use old chip. But their genetic groups are messed up (and they were highly reliable until latest update).
I end up scoring tons of Polish, Slovak and other EE regions and don't even have proper matches from there.
So their genetic groups for me would be useless probably, and their chip about 99% identical to my old chip FTDNA results in Gedmatch calcs. So waste of money still for me.
But if I would buy for first time DNA test today I would choose Ancestry of course.
So their genetic groups for me would be useless probably, and their chip about 99% identical to my old chip FTDNA results in Gedmatch calcs. So waste of money still for me.
But if I would buy for first time DNA test today I would choose Ancestry of course.
Agreed :)
For people who have family overseas, Ancestry is a real treasure. They have gigantic database of American testees. I think their database is in general by far the largest out of all genetic companies.
If I didn't get Ancestry I would never discover my grandpa's sister in US did a DNA test. She's not on gedmatch or anywhere else but on ancestry.
But in Europe Myheritage seems most popular by far. 99% of Croatian results I found on Youtube are from Myheritage.
Too bad their raw data is trash.
BTW: this friend of mine also got incredibly close matches from his maternal side on Ancestry (they have same surname as his mom, 1-2 cousins), and they live in US and he didn't even know of their existance.
Hopefully we get in touch with them and than we can get them to upload to gedmatch, to see some DNA results purely from his mom village.
Of course I am also hoping to get my grandpa sister to upload to gedmatch. She is old and her son who runs her account logs in rarely so I have to be patient.
Peterski
12-03-2021, 11:45 PM
I told you few times. I planned to do another test besides FTDNA but resigned. Because after seeing so many results of people which tested in few companies and their results in k36 or 13 was different by 0.1-0.5% (and it is universal rule and I don't care about specific Ancestry, 23me or FTDNA results). So I have better possibilities to spend spare money.
Okay. I thought you did that 23andMe in the end.
These are my K36 results when using raw data files from different companies I tested with (23andMe is v5). As you can see FTDNA (old chip) and Ancestry are similar to each other, and the other three are similar to each other:
<tbody>
Population
FTDNA
LivingDNA
23andMe
24Genetics
AncestryDNA
Amerindian
0
0
0
0
0
Arabian
0
0
0
0
0
Armenian
0
0
0
0
0
Basque
0.93
2.08
1.7
2.21
1.18
Central_African
0
0
0
0
0
Central_Euro
9.77
11.61
11.58
11.19
9.33
East_African
0
0
0
0
0
East_Asian
0
0
0
0
0
East_Balkan
8.55
6.81
6.71
7.24
8.75
East_Central_Asian
0
0
0
0
0
East_Central_Euro
22.84
20.22
20.87
20.44
22.79
East_Med
0
0
0
0
0
Eastern_Euro
14.03
19.74
20.42
19.53
13.62
Fennoscandian
9.35
4.47
4.28
4.9
9.76
French
4.97
2.18
2.06
2
4.9
Iberian
0.36
0
0
0
0.78
Indo-Chinese
0
0
0
0
0
Italian
5.96
6.81
7.67
7.46
4.28
Malayan
0
0
0
0
0
Near_Eastern
0
0
0
0
0
North_African
0
0
0
0
0
North_Atlantic
8.16
8.63
7.74
8.05
8.1
North_Caucasian
2.14
0.79
0.22
0.35
3.43
North_Sea
11.76
12.54
12.37
12.62
11.65
Northeast_African
0
0
0
0
0
Oceanian
0
0
0
0
0
Omotic
0
0
0
0
0
Pygmy
0
0
0
0
0
Siberian
0
0
0
0
0
South_Asian
0
0
0
0
0
South_Central_Asian
0
0
0
0
0
South_Chinese
0
0
0
0
0
Volga-Ural
0
0
0
0
0
West_African
0
0
0
0
0
West_Caucasian
0
0
0
0
0
West_Med
1.19
4.12
4.37
4.01
1.42
</tbody>
Lucas
12-03-2021, 11:49 PM
Okay. I thought you did that 23andMe in the end.
These are my K36 results when using raw data files from different companies I've tested with (23andMe is v5), you can see that FTDNA (old chip) and Ancestry are similar to each other, and the other three are similar to each other:
<tbody>
Population
FTDNA
LivingDNA
23andMe
24Genetics
AncestryDNA
Amerindian
0
0
0
0
0
Arabian
0
0
0
0
0
Armenian
0
0
0
0
0
Basque
0.93
2.08
1.7
2.21
1.18
Central_African
0
0
0
0
0
Central_Euro
9.77
11.61
11.58
11.19
9.33
East_African
0
0
0
0
0
East_Asian
0
0
0
0
0
East_Balkan
8.55
6.81
6.71
7.24
8.75
East_Central_Asian
0
0
0
0
0
East_Central_Euro
22.84
20.22
20.87
20.44
22.79
East_Med
0
0
0
0
0
Eastern_Euro
14.03
19.74
20.42
19.53
13.62
Fennoscandian
9.35
4.47
4.28
4.9
9.76
French
4.97
2.18
2.06
2
4.9
Iberian
0.36
0
0
0
0.78
Indo-Chinese
0
0
0
0
0
Italian
5.96
6.81
7.67
7.46
4.28
Malayan
0
0
0
0
0
Near_Eastern
0
0
0
0
0
North_African
0
0
0
0
0
North_Atlantic
8.16
8.63
7.74
8.05
8.1
North_Caucasian
2.14
0.79
0.22
0.35
3.43
North_Sea
11.76
12.54
12.37
12.62
11.65
Northeast_African
0
0
0
0
0
Oceanian
0
0
0
0
0
Omotic
0
0
0
0
0
Pygmy
0
0
0
0
0
Siberian
0
0
0
0
0
South_Asian
0
0
0
0
0
South_Central_Asian
0
0
0
0
0
South_Chinese
0
0
0
0
0
Volga-Ural
0
0
0
0
0
West_African
0
0
0
0
0
West_Caucasian
0
0
0
0
0
West_Med
1.19
4.12
4.37
4.01
1.42
</tbody>
So there two groups of results, old chips FTDNa and Ancestry, and new V5-like, the rest.
I prefer first group.
Peterski
12-04-2021, 12:08 AM
So there two groups of results, old chips FTDNa and Ancestry, and new V5-like, the rest.
I prefer first group.
But now FTDNA is also using GSA chip so new FTDNA would probably be in the second group of results. From these five only AncestryDNA is still using the old OmniExpress chip.
reboun
12-04-2021, 12:11 AM
(This post of mine does not have a meaning anymore)
Peterski
12-04-2021, 12:17 AM
And I don't care about their own results, the same for FTDNA which gives me nearly 100% West Slavic which is too high for sure.
My FTDNA is an old chip yes.
Besides West Slavic what else you should score (if you think 100% West Slavic is too high)? Balts?
Rob Athum
12-04-2021, 12:19 AM
I left AS long before 2018 and never used any avatar photos there. You stole Crazyboy photos and impersonate him terribly (I happen to know him and he was laughably different). Hopefuly Loki takes care of the Romanian troll.
Edit: thanks, Loki! Cheers!
C'mon ajsa :D
Don't lie. With time we change style, i somehow imprroved my english, remember how bad or was :D
You left in 2018 and posted your avatar before (image was taken in germany you said) and you left posting the image with stears.
Rob Athum
12-04-2021, 12:21 AM
Everything is saved by now anyway.
C'mon ajsa :D
Don't lie. With time we change style, i somehow imprroved my english, remember how bad or was :D
You left in 2018 and posted your avatar before (image was taken in germany you said) and you left posting the image with stears.
As I said, I am not interested in sexual relations with you. Sorry. Find another obsessions.
reboun
12-04-2021, 12:26 AM
Everything is saved by now anyway.
What does it mean?
Turul Karom
12-04-2021, 01:17 AM
He is way more Hungarian than many of the Hungarian TA members lol. :D Including me!
You need to try more of the yourDNAportal calculators. They just had an update not too long ago (they don't announce them all in email). I think it's very good for Hungarians.
Or ???
You mean 0.2% AJ and 0.5% Levantine?
So in total 0.7%.
I think 0.5% total. But it is quite confusing as Askenazi Jews themselves are only partly Levantine.
I watched abt. twenty 23andMe results of arbitrary (I hope) Poles and the clear majority of them had AJ contributuions ranging from 0.1% to 2.5%. It seems to me to be a general occurance that is caused by far back connections. And since I even found a rural German from Masuren (Southern East Prussia) with an etymological Polish surname and close to 90% EE that had 0.3% AJ (which is rare for Germans), I think there might have been a respective very old such contribution to Poles. Since that area got protestant in 1525 the Masovians that had settled in Masuria likely did not anymore intermarry with other (catholic) Poles.
But I'm open to new insights. Roy, could you check your 23andMe matches for these that do have 4 grandparents born in Poland (you can filter for that!) and look for such individuals that are obviously Poles (and no Germans or Jews) and have a look at their Ancestry Composition? I'm curious for your impression on this topic. Maybe you can tell. (Maybe just in brief or via PM for not derailing the topic of this thread.)
It's an intriguing suggestion. I haven't done it but I will. :)
rothaer
12-04-2021, 06:31 PM
It's an intriguing suggestion. I haven't done it but I will. :)
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Does your friend have any Eastern Slavic matches among the first 50?
Does your friend have any Eastern Slavic matches among the first 50?
From what I see no, but he has 1 Polish match in top 50.
Edit: I re-checked and there are 2 more north Slavic matches in his top 50. One has Czech surname and one could be east Slav I guess (Dmytro Syrotkin)
From what I see no, but he has 1 Polish match in top 50.
Edit: I re-checked and there are 2 more north Slavic matches in his top 50. One has Czech surname and one could be east Slav I guess (Dmytro Syrotkin)
Yeah, that's Russian written in a Ukrainian fashion (Dmytro - Dmitry).
Yeah, that's Russian written in a Ukrainian fashion (Dmytro - Dmitry).
Here are his results if you're interested:
Gedrosia 0.83 Pct
Siberian 1.73 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 23.31 Pct
North_European 54.94 Pct
South_Asian 2.53 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.11 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 13.53 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
his ydna is this subclade of R1a Z280
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S24902/
My friend latest updated Vahaduo (I manually updated AT/DE pops). He is closest to Austrians from Carinthia. I didn't expect that.
Distance to: Stearsolina_Best_Friend
3.28715683 Austrian_Carinthia
3.38062124 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.54770348 Hungarian
3.58131261 Croat_North
4.10040242 Hungarian_Alföld
4.11605394 Slovene
4.12889816 Hungarian_North
4.91925807 Croat
4.92483502 Austrian_Styria
5.55677064 Croat_West
5.64707889 Slovak
5.76584773 Croat_East
6.07065894 German_Lower_Silesia
6.18019417 German_County_Glatz
6.18506265 Czech
6.49922303 Lemko_Poland
6.76053992 Bosniak
7.23047025 Csángó-Ceangău
7.27678500 Croat_South
7.47828857 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.62781096 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.69245084 German_Thuringia_East
8.44655551 Moldovan_North
8.45492756 German_North_Bohemia
8.63032444 Ukrainian_Galicia
Target: Stearsolina_Best_Friend
Distance: 1.6542% / 1.65419713 | ADC: 0.25x RC
80.6 Austrian_Carinthia
8.7 Upper_Silesia
5.6 Lezgin
5.1 German_Lower_Silesia
Target: Stearsolina_Best_Friend
Distance: 1.7292% / 1.72915357 | R2P
83.7 German_Lower_Silesia
16.3 Greek_Istanbul
Marsa
01-17-2022, 11:22 PM
My friend latest updated Vahaduo (I manually updated AT/DE pops). He is closest to Austrians from Carinthia. I didn't expect that.
Distance to: Stearsolina_Best_Friend
3.28715683 Austrian_Carinthia
3.38062124 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.54770348 Hungarian
3.58131261 Croat_North
4.10040242 Hungarian_Alföld
4.11605394 Slovene
4.12889816 Hungarian_North
4.91925807 Croat
4.92483502 Austrian_Styria
5.55677064 Croat_West
5.64707889 Slovak
5.76584773 Croat_East
6.07065894 German_Lower_Silesia
6.18019417 German_County_Glatz
6.18506265 Czech
6.49922303 Lemko_Poland
6.76053992 Bosniak
7.23047025 Csángó-Ceangău
7.27678500 Croat_South
7.47828857 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.62781096 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.69245084 German_Thuringia_East
8.44655551 Moldovan_North
8.45492756 German_North_Bohemia
8.63032444 Ukrainian_Galicia
Target: Stearsolina_Best_Friend
Distance: 1.6542% / 1.65419713 | ADC: 0.25x RC
80.6 Austrian_Carinthia
8.7 Upper_Silesia
5.6 Lezgin
5.1 German_Lower_Silesia
Target: Stearsolina_Best_Friend
Distance: 1.7292% / 1.72915357 | R2P
83.7 German_Lower_Silesia
16.3 Greek_Istanbul
Does he have some Slovene ancestor from Veli Brgud area?
Does he have some Slovene ancestor from Veli Brgud area?
All Croats to his knowledge (he doesn't know further than grandparents tho), but he is certainly very Slovenian like genetically! So who knows....this village is close to Slovenia.
his mother is from Veli Brgud btw :P
his ancestrydna update
https://i.imgur.com/kCF9DI3.png
myheritage results
https://i.imgur.com/UUeUZH2.png
insane he got a genetic community from his exact Island town, really cool!
Marsa
02-17-2022, 03:58 PM
his ancestrydna update
https://i.imgur.com/kCF9DI3.png
myheritage results
https://i.imgur.com/UUeUZH2.png
insane he got a genetic community from his exact Island town, really cool!
It looks nice! This groups on MH seem to be better than ethnicities which are often a joke.
On Ancestry, how many communities they have for Croatia, and do you know what this "Central", "Western" is based on?
It looks nice! This groups on MH seem to be better than ethnicities which are often a joke.
On Ancestry, how many communities they have for Croatia, and do you know what this "Central", "Western" is based on?
Here are all 6 new genetic communities for Croatia. Central Croatia and Lika are basically overlapping, while Croatia Proper would correlate more with actual central Croatia (at least western part of it)
https://i.imgur.com/NZ0dGjt.png
Too bad we don't have Slavonian community yet. Maybe few Slavonians emigrated to the US? I have a feel their communities are based on old emigrees and their descendants.
Marsa
02-19-2022, 01:03 AM
Here are all 6 new genetic communities for Croatia. Central Croatia and Lika are basically overlapping, while Croatia Proper would correlate more with actual central Croatia (at least western part of it)
https://i.imgur.com/NZ0dGjt.png
Too bad we don't have Slavonian community yet. Maybe few Slavonians emigrated to the US? I have a feel their communities are based on old emigrees and their descendants.
Ok, I get it. It's a bit messy :p but I have to say it looks nice with all that presentation. I'm thinking of taking Ancestry next.
Yeah, no company really has something for Slavonia. Probably because they are all mostly basing groups/communities on family trees, and not many people are tested.
Hopefully it will change in the future.
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