Central Asian origin for IJ?

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Is it plausible?

[StonyArabia]

Is it plausible?

I think more Mesopotamian

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*according to wikipedia*

IJ's possible origin: Western asia

K's possible origin: South East asia

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It look rather northern middle eastern, where exactly i dunno.I guess somewher between the zagros, kurdistan and caucasus a location that would facilitate I clade dispersion to europe and explain why levantines where mostly E and G during neolithic.

[StonyArabia]

*according to wikipedia*

IJ's possible origin: Western asia

K's possible origin: South East asia

If K is T it most likely originated in Southern Asia yes. It peaks in the Chechnus of southern India

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I hear some say ANE has occupied Europe before the advent of WHG people (Gravettian), Villabruna guy could be one of the guys who have still retained the ANE lineage but be almost fully WHG. To theorize Gravettians may have come through from East European if that was the case, PIE folks have came with their own clades of I2 with them to Europe. Not to mention all EHG have WHG admixture that could be a trail from cough *Central Asia* cough. But besides that there was some J in EHG folk specifically J1* (with no admixture) that would have came up from the Caucasus making I and J's connection into Central Asia in a theoretically way, genetic evidence in CE I dunno, could be if there was more data from there.

[Tongio]

I hear some say ANE has occupied Europe before the advent of WHG people (Gravettian), Villabruna guy could be one of the guys who have still retained the ANE lineage but be almost fully WHG. To theorize Gravettians may have come through from East European if that was the case, PIE folks have came with their own clades of I2 with them to Europe. Not to mention all EHG have WHG admixture that could be a trail from cough *Central Asia* cough. But besides that there was some J in EHG folk specifically J1* (with no admixture) that would have came up from the Caucasus making I and J's connection into Central Asia in a theoretically way, genetic evidence in CE I dunno, could be if there was more data from there.

It seems to me ANE were pred C y DNA(maybe??) , I dont think y DNA I (western)Hunter gatherers migrated from the steppe , since east Hunter gatherers were massivly R1 , this lineage(R1) being also the one that likely originated in central Ásia/east Europe .All J folk found in the steppe had their distant paternal origin somewhere in modern kurdistan /armenia , Yamnayas had caucasian Hunter gatherer dna lets not forget, likely some male lineages survived among them ,this j1 being one example probably and another one being my haplo J l283(not yet found among Yamnayas althought found in bronze age kabardi o balkaria).
The I2a found among Yamnayas suposedly is because of a west tô east migration that happened migrations in that direction also happened wich explains western DNA in eastern Hunters.

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It seems to me ANE were pred C y DNA(maybe??) , I dont think y DNA I (western)Hunter gatherers migrated from the steppe , since east Hunter gatherers were massivly R1 , this lineage(R1) being also the one that likely originated in central Ásia/east Europe .All J folk found in the steppe had their distant paternal origin somewhere in modern kurdistan /armenia , Yamnayas had caucasian Hunter gatherer dna lets not forget, likely some male lineages survived among them ,this j1 being one example probably and another one being my haplo J l283(not yet found among Yamnayas althought found in bronze age kabardi o balkaria).
The I2a found among Yamnayas suposedly is because of a west tô east migration that happened migrations in that direction also happened wich explains western DNA in eastern Hunters.

C1a in Europe is from Early West Eurasian (EWE) folks like Sunghir, none has been examined in ANE afaik.

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C1a in Europe is from Early West Eurasian (EWE) folks like Sunghir, none has been examined in ANE afaik.

That is interesting i did not know that.
C y DNA is one the coolest still around.

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Thinking now the logical y DNA for ANE would then be P probably, given the amerindian connection.

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Thinking now the logical y DNA for ANE would then be P probably, given the amerindian connection.

It was already made out that ANEs possess R, Q and a minority of I, J (western contact).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian
MAL'TA boy of the Mal'ta-buret culture in Siberia carried R* he is sort of a reference tool for the ANE composition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%27ta%E2%80%93Buret%27_culture#Archaeogenetics
Ancient North Siberians aka Yana Rhs (ancestors of ANE) possesed basal P1* or QR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yana_Rhinoceros_Horn_Site#Archaeogenetics