My Updated Ancestry Results : 23% Irish

[Richmondbread]

@kat o'malley

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[Purple Panther]

Does your dad have any known Native Irish forebears? I'm trying to apply this to my own parents.

[Jana]

Time to stop denying your Jewish admixture. 6% is actually substantial.

[Perunovsin]

That jewish admixture explains your mommy issues, no offence

[Leto]

Time to stop denying your Jewish admixture. 6% is actually substantial.
Still white IMO. 6% Jewish is basically undetectable on Gedmatch. Only these commercial tests detect it because of the artificial Jewish component (in actuality it is a medieval mix of Middle Eastern and European).

[Grace O'Malley]

Who is Kat O'Malley? :) Good results that show you are a multi-ethnic American. :thumb001: Quite a typical American result. You have some Ashkenazi from that result.

[Benyzero]

Meade O'Malley

[Richmondbread]

Time to stop denying your Jewish admixture. 6% is actually substantial.

No , it's just a typo. Why is everyone focused on that and not my real ancestry?

[Purple Panther]

Does your dad have any known Native Irish forebears? I'm trying to apply this to my own parents.

I should have made my question about *you*. You might have answered it. SMH

[Turul Karom]

No , it's just a typo. Why is everyone focused on that and not my real ancestry?

If you are so worried about it, do J-Test with GEDmatch of yourDNAportal.com using your raw DNA data. It's clearly not a typo lol

[Richmondbread]

Who is Kat O'Malley? :) Good results that show you are a multi-ethnic American. :thumb001: Quite a typical American result. You have some Ashkenazi from that result.

I am not a mutt. I am mostly NW European. A mutt would be someone who is black, white, and Oriental or something.

[Richmondbread]

Does your dad have any known Native Irish forebears? I'm trying to apply this to my own parents.

No my mother had many Irish ancestors.

[Richmondbread]

If you are so worried about it, do J-Test with GEDmatch of yourDNAportal.com using your raw DNA data. It's clearly not a typo lol

I only get 2% on GEDMATCH

[Italicus]

I only get 2% on GEDMATCH

Did you do a test with 23andme? They're pretty good with Jewish admixture.

[Richmondbread]

Did you do a test with 23andme? They're pretty good with Jewish admixture.

No, because it's run by Jews. They throw in Jewish ancestry to curb "anti semitism" Did I mention I'm 23% Irish?

[Italicus]

No, because it's run by Jews. They throw in Jewish ancestry to curb "anti semitism" Did I mention I'm 23% Irish?

What do you think of your Lithuanian and Jewish ancestry?

[Figaro]

No, because it's run by Jews. They throw in Jewish ancestry to curb "anti semitism" Did I mention I'm 23% Irish?

If that was true, they’d be assigning Ashkenazi points way more often than what is the reality. It’s not like most everyone is scoring it on 23andme. In addition, the amounts of Ashkenazi people get on there are very close to literal amounts of what that person knows. How many of your cousin matches on there with NW euro blood are scoring AJ or at the least more than 0.1%?

I don’t know why despite All these tests you refuse to believe it....

[Leto]

What do you think of your Lithuanian and Jewish ancestry?
I'm not RB obviously but I think his grandmother was 75% Lithuanian and 25% Ashkenazi Jewish. Obviously he is not Jewish himself ethnically or culturally. But the distant ancestry is there.

[BakersfieldChimp]

I'm not RB obviously but I think his grandmother was 75% Lithuanian and 25% Ashkenazi Jewish. Obviously he is not Jewish himself ethnically or culturally. But the distant ancestry is there.

Meade puts a lot of emphasis on his Native American ancestry. As noted, the percentage is halved each generation. According to Meade's family tree, he is too far removed and has too little Native American left to show up on any DNA test. He really can't argue away the Jewish as meaningless and embrace the NA as significant.

[Richmondbread]

Meade puts a lot of emphasis on his Native American ancestry. As noted, the percentage is halved each generation. According to Meade's family tree, he is too far removed and has too little Native American left to show up on any DNA test. He really can't argue away the Jewish as meaningless and embrace the NA as significant.

I have DOCUMENTED lineage of Native American ancestors. No Jews are on my family tree.

[BakersfieldChimp]

I have DOCUMENTED lineage of Native American ancestors. No Jews are on my family tree.
Om your family tree, your Native American lineage is too many generations back to show up in anything more than trace amounts in your DNA.


Before WWII, having Jewish ancestry was often hidden by people even from their spouses. Paternity is not 100% since cheating wives kept secrets. and adoptions aren't always accurately documented on family trees. Family trees have lots of mistakes. DNA tests are more accurate.

[Smitty]

I have DOCUMENTED lineage of Native American ancestors. No Jews are on my family tree.

"Kaokee" is not documented. Documented means there are firsthand documents to back it up. I'd be happy to see them. Incidentally, I still think you could find your Jewish ancestor if you dug more deeply. It's a 2x great-grandparent. That really should be pretty easy to trace.

[Purple Panther]

Om your family tree, your Native American lineage is too many generations back to show up in anything more than trace amounts in your DNA.


Before WWII, having Jewish ancestry was often hidden by people even from their spouses. Paternity is not 100% since cheating wives kept secrets. and adoptions aren't always accurately documented on family trees. Family trees have lots of mistakes. DNA tests are more accurate.

The genealogy sites went down the tubes, and the LDS collection gets worse by the day. It must stand for "lacks documented sources". About three or four good sites left the scene over the years. Now, some places claim that mothers are younger than their daughters (no kidding), so it's like someone is sabotaging the genealogical records.

I found four or more lines in my family tree several years back. Now, it's like my ancestors were kicked out of those families because they're no longer in them, so those solid branches turned into brick walls. It's the strangest thing. It's like the Mandela Effect impacts ancestors now.

[BakersfieldChimp]

The genealogy sites went down the tubes, and the LDS collection gets worse by the day. It must stand for "lacks documented sources". About three or four good sites left the scene over the years. Now, some places claim that mothers are younger than their daughters (no kidding), so it's like someone is sabotaging the genealogical records.

I found four or more lines in my family tree several years back. Now, it's like my ancestors were kicked out of those families because they're no longer in them, so those solid branches turned into brick walls. It's the strangest thing. It's like the Mandela Effect impacts ancestors now.

The records are only as good as the record keepers. I focused on the discrepancies which occur in registering the original births. Maury Povich wasn't there to do verify DNA.

[BakersfieldChimp]

"Kaokee" is not documented. Documented means there are firsthand documents to back it up. I'd be happy to see them. Incidentally, I still think you could find your Jewish ancestor if you dug more deeply. It's a 2x great-grandparent. That really should be pretty easy to trace.

It does look like there was a native American Woman in that spot on Meade's family tree. Not much is known about her. Therefore, Bill "Tomahawk Juice" Deyo is the one who filled it in with a conjectured daughter of Pocahontas. That Bill Deyo story is a wonderous exercise in wishful thinking. Nonetheless, it doesn't change the unmeasurable about of NA DNA has left from that unknown Native American. Nor Meade's 6% Jewish DNA.

[Smitty]

The genealogy sites went down the tubes, and the LDS collection gets worse by the day. It must stand for "lacks documented sources". About three or four good sites left the scene over the years. Now, some places claim that mothers are younger than their daughters (no kidding), so it's like someone is sabotaging the genealogical records.

I found four or more lines in my family tree several years back. Now, it's like my ancestors were kicked out of those families because they're no longer in them, so those solid branches turned into brick walls. It's the strangest thing. It's like the Mandela Effect impacts ancestors now.

It's just user-generated information. You obviously can't trust unsourced family trees, whether they be on Ancestry, FamilySearch, geni.com, WikiTree, etc. You always have to check the sources or at least see if you can find a source that backs up what a user claims. Sometimes you can; sometimes you can't.

[Purple Panther]

The records are only as good as the record keepers. I focused on the discrepancies which occur in registering the original births. Maury Povich wasn't there to do verify DNA.

I get that. Some of my forebears were major players who populated whole towns.

[Purple Panther]

It's just user-generated information. You obviously can't trust unsourced family trees, whether they be on Ancestry, FamilySearch, geni.com, WikiTree, etc. You always have to check the sources or at least see if you can find a source that backs up what a user claims. Sometimes you can; sometimes you can't.

I know, but the sites were better in the past. You never saw male "wives", and you would think that people would be ashamed to post that kind of crap.

[Grace O'Malley]

I am not a mutt. I am mostly NW European. A mutt would be someone who is black, white, and Oriental or something.

I didn't use the term "mutt". I said you were multi-ethnic which you are. You have ancestry from a lot of countries. There's nothing wrong with that. I find my Ancestry results boring which is why I'm more interested in deep ancestry. At least Ancestry has Genetic Communities which are really accurate.

[Smitty]

I know, but the sites were better in the past. You never saw male "wives", and you would think that people would be ashamed to post that kind of crap.

Yeah, I agree it's amazing what people put up. There's some serious stupidity or, at the very least, carelessness out there. The copy/pasters (who I was one of early on in my genealogical career) are the most frustrating. One piece of false information gets copied ad nauseum to the point it becomes fact in people's minds. And guess what? Research on that line stops. No one's looking for the real parents because most people think they already know the real parents. But give it even a bit of scrutiny and the whole thing falls apart.

[Purple Panther]

Yeah, I agree it's amazing what people put up. There's some serious stupidity or, at the very least, carelessness out there. The copy/pasters (who I was one of early on in my genealogical career) are the most frustrating. One piece of false information gets copied ad nauseum to the point it becomes fact in people's minds. And guess what? Research on that line stops. No one's looking for the real parents because most people think they already know the real parents. But give it even a bit of scrutiny and the whole thing falls apart.

That's why I often stop when it reaches 1600. It's difficult to determine which of the four Rasputin Shishkabobs, with a wife named Ophelia and a son named Spitwattle in the *same* town, is your ancestor.

[Richmondbread]

It's just user-generated information. You obviously can't trust unsourced family trees, whether they be on Ancestry, FamilySearch, geni.com, WikiTree, etc. You always have to check the sources or at least see if you can find a source that backs up what a user claims. Sometimes you can; sometimes you can't.

I'm from VIRGINIA. We are the most historically accurate state in the country. The history here is well documented as are the original settlers and the families that came. There are church records as well. Tribal historians know the area for centuries. DNA tests are largely inaccurate and it's sad that people rely on those for accuracy.

[Smitty]

I'm from VIRGINIA. We are the most historically accurate state in the country. The history here is well documented as are the original settlers and the families that came. There are church records as well. Tribal historians know the area for centuries. DNA tests are largely inaccurate and it's sad that people rely on those for accuracy.

There may be a lot of available documents in the area (there are in New England as well, probably better), but that certainly doesn't mean your average amateur genealogist is using them when constructing their family trees. Completely irrelevant. And on the subject of DNA, completely unrelated DNA tests have agreed with each other about what you are. If you have any Native American ancestry, the which I doubt, it's washed out. And nothing in your tree even contradicts a Jewish 2x great-grandparent because, as far as I know, you haven't traced your dad's family that far back.

[Purple Panther]

There may be a lot of available documents in the area (there are in New England as well, probably better), but that certainly doesn't mean your average amateur genealogist is using them when constructing their family trees. Completely irrelevant. And on the subject of DNA, completely unrelated DNA tests have agreed with each other about what you are. If you have any Native American ancestry, the which I doubt, it's washed out. And nothing in your tree even contradicts a Jewish 2x great-grandparent because, as far as I know, you haven't traced your dad's family that far back.

He should embrace his Jewish side. He can celebrate two holidays in his songs.

[Richmondbread]

There may be a lot of available documents in the area (there are in New England as well, probably better), but that certainly doesn't mean your average amateur genealogist is using them when constructing their family trees. Completely irrelevant. And on the subject of DNA, completely unrelated DNA tests have agreed with each other about what you are. If you have any Native American ancestry, the which I doubt, it's washed out. And nothing in your tree even contradicts a Jewish 2x great-grandparent because, as far as I know, you haven't traced your dad's family that far back.

If you have a very straight and concentrated area and paper trail, it's pretty accurate. The only confusion comes with adoption or name changes. I do have confirmed native ancestry and lineage. Tribes do not accept DNA tests, so that tells you something.

[NSXD60]

And should any Mex/Jew hybrids whack-a-mole, musical traditions could merge and gift us with a new version of an old favorite morphing into "Have a tequila, have a..."

[Richmondbread]

He should embrace his Jewish side. He can celebrate two holidays in his songs.

Except, I have no Jewish ancestry. None.

[Smitty]

If you have a very straight and concentrated area and paper trail, it's pretty accurate. The only confusion comes with adoption or name changes. I do have confirmed native ancestry and lineage. Tribes do not accept DNA tests, so that tells you something.

The paper trail: That's what I'm looking for. Where are the documents? If they're on major genealogy sites like FamilySearch, link them. If you've done on-the-ground research and have them in your possession, post pictures. You could at least link to a sourced family tree that demonstrates these connections so people can do the research themselves if they're so inclined.

[Purple Panther]

Except, I have no Jewish ancestry. None.

I was in a Jewish fraternity in college. You would have fit right in there, and no one would have questioned your ethnicity, so you could have called yourself Richmond Berg. Irving Berlin and George Gershwin were both Jewish. You should take pride in your fellow Jews' great contributions to American music.

[J. Ketch]

It's good that you don't wish to identify with your minor Jewish ancestry (although it probably influences you), but you should also apply that to all your other minor ancestries.

[Leto]

Merry Christmas to you guys :santa2

Except, I have no Jewish ancestry. None.
Two independent tests show that you do. 5-6% cannot be an error in this case. Just say okay, it must be real but I don't have any of that culture in my family and therefore cannot identify with it. For example you also clearly have recent Roman Catholic ancestors but you aren't yourself.

It's good that you don't wish to identify with your minor Jewish ancestry (although it probably influences you), but you should also apply that to all your other minor ancestries.
He also downplays his Eastern European. I think it might be Polish and not Lithuanian by the way. Lithuania has a large Polish minority. Like I said my guess is that RB's grandmother was one quarter Jewish and 3/4th Lithuanian or Polish. None of that makes him any less American of course, throughout history plenty of continental Europeans and others have assimilated into American culture.

[J. Ketch]

Merry Christmas to you guys :santa2

Two independent tests show that you do. 5-6% cannot be an error in this case. Just say okay, it must be real but I don't have any of that culture in my family and therefore cannot identify with it. For example you also clearly have recent Roman Catholic ancestors but you aren't yourself.

He also downplays his Eastern European. I think it might be Polish and not Lithuanian by the way. Lithuania has a large Polish minority. Like I said my guess is that RB's grandmother was one quarter Jewish and 3/4th Lithuanian or Polish. None of that makes him any less American of course, throughout history plenty of continental Europeans and others have assimilated into American culture.
Well, it arguably makes him less American (founding stock being the purest 'Americans'), but that's not really for me to decide. He's probably related to Emma Lazarus :jew:

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Share your GEDmatch results

[Kerlovic]

From all your results you look very Jewish how 6% can create 100% appearance...

[JamesBond007]

From all your results you look very Jewish how 6% can create 100% appearance...

Because AncestryDNA and 23andme are a joke (being AmerKwan 'science' run by retarded Mormoms and religious Jews) and the former is only useful for raw dna while the latter is not even useful for raw DNA anymore due to low SNP coverage.

"I am American or Amerimutt or Australian rather than Ireland being a minor player geopolitically and historically I am going to blow it up in importance and think it is a super special place with major world influence and America's greatness substantially stems from this land of giants."

^ AncestryDNA knows it target audience is mostly American so rather than tell them the 'science' they tell Americans want they want to hear because that is how you make money. You don't make money telling people the truth because humans are some kind of cosmic joke ape-like creature that are mentally deficient in general.

[J. Ketch]

Richmondbagel is not Jewish but his genetic matches list is probably wall-to-wall Cohen, Goldberg, Rosenberg, Bernstein, Rubin etc :laugh:

[Italicus]

It's good that you don't wish to identify with your minor Jewish ancestry (although it probably influences you), but you should also apply that to all your other minor ancestries.

Lol how do you think Richmond's Jewish ancestry affects him? Serious question, I'd love to hear your hypotheses. Also slightly off topic, do you think my Chinese side has any influence on me? Because I feel like an Italian first and foremost, and I don't believe I act Chinese, I have wog personality traits.

[Figaro]

Richmondbagel is not Jewish but his genetic matches list is probably wall-to-wall Cohen, Goldberg, Rosenberg, Bernstein, Rubin etc :laugh:

Probably so. My mother scores similar AJ to Rich and the vast majority of her matches are half or full AJ’s. Top names are all Cohens, Levis, etc.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

His Jewish side doesn't show up on Eurogenes K13


Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 3.4336% / 3.43361144 | R2P
75.0 German_West
25.0 Polish_Lower_Silesia

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 2.2993% / 2.29930589 | R3P
63.7 French_Northwest
30.5 Polish_Lower_Silesia
5.8 North_Ossetian

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 1.7786% / 1.77858548 | R4P
41.4 Welsh
36.4 Polish
13.2 French_Basque
9.0 Ingush

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 1.0376% / 1.03762734 | R5P
36.8 Polish_Lesser_Poland
31.4 Norwegian
20.4 French_Basque
9.6 Dargin
1.8 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator

[Ayetooey]

His Jewish side doesn't show up on Eurogenes K13


Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 3.4336% / 3.43361144 | R2P
75.0 German_West
25.0 Polish_Lower_Silesia

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 2.2993% / 2.29930589 | R3P
63.7 French_Northwest
30.5 Polish_Lower_Silesia
5.8 North_Ossetian

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 1.7786% / 1.77858548 | R4P
41.4 Welsh
36.4 Polish
13.2 French_Basque
9.0 Ingush

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 1.0376% / 1.03762734 | R5P
36.8 Polish_Lesser_Poland
31.4 Norwegian
20.4 French_Basque
9.6 Dargin
1.8 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator

German west is significantly more southern shifted than his Irish/English. It just gets bundled in there.

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[J. Ketch]

Lol how do you think Richmond's Jewish ancestry affects him? Serious question, I'd love to hear your hypotheses. Also slightly off topic, do you think my Chinese side has any influence on me? Because I feel like an Italian first and foremost, and I don't believe I act Chinese, I have wog personality traits.
I don't have a hypothesis, maybe it doesn't in his case. I've just noticed that white people with minor non-white/Jewish ancestry tend to have a different outlook much of the time, often politically. In addition to whatever basic genetic/phenotypical/behavioural influences might come from it. He is a massive Israel shill so that's one thing, but probably not conclusive.

You admit you have 'OWD' because of your Chinese ancestry, so it seems that it does influence you. I don't know you so I won't judge your personality but you ask more questions than a typical Italian! They are usually more assertive.

[Italicus]

I don't have a hypothesis, maybe it doesn't in his case. I've just noticed that white people with minor non-white/Jewish ancestry tend to have a different outlook much of the time, often politically. In addition to whatever basic genetic/phenotypical/behavioural influences might come from it. He is a massive Israel shill so that's one thing, but probably not conclusive.

You admit you have 'OWD' because of your Chinese ancestry, so it seems that it does influence you. I don't know you so I won't judge your personality but you ask more questions than a typical Italian! They are usually more assertive.

That's true. My unmixed Italian side of the family are not really the question making type, they like regular life and living it as it is, if that makes sense. They are pretty based though, at least my uncle and cousin. My uncle worked for the Berlusconi government, and my cousin is just as far right as I am. I'm not really stereotypically assertive, I'm more of an analyst. I guess I have the analytical nature from my Chinese side. Interesting how genetics can change personality.

[Longbowman]

Well, it arguably makes him less American (founding stock being the purest 'Americans'), but that's not really for me to decide. He's probably related to Emma Lazarus :jew:

Lazarus was Sephardic, Meade is [part] Ashkenazi. Unlikely.

[Leto]

I don't have a hypothesis, maybe it doesn't in his case. I've just noticed that white people with minor non-white/Jewish ancestry tend to have a different outlook much of the time, often politically. In addition to whatever basic genetic/phenotypical/behavioural influences might come from it. He is a massive Israel shill so that's one thing, but probably not conclusive.

You admit you have 'OWD' because of your Chinese ancestry, so it seems that it does influence you. I don't know you so I won't judge your personality but you ask more questions than a typical Italian! They are usually more assertive.
The West is demonizing or ridiculing white identity, so maybe most white people that have at least some "POC" connection tend to overemphasize it in order to appear less white. That's my theory and it's really sad, even though white identity is fake and gay compared to genuine ethnic/national identities like English, German, Russian, Spanish, etc.

[Ayetooey]

I don't have a hypothesis, maybe it doesn't in his case. I've just noticed that white people with minor non-white/Jewish ancestry tend to have a different outlook much of the time, often politically. In addition to whatever basic genetic/phenotypical/behavioural influences might come from it. He is a massive Israel shill so that's one thing, but probably not conclusive.

You admit you have 'OWD' because of your Chinese ancestry, so it seems that it does influence you. I don't know you so I won't judge your personality but you ask more questions than a typical Italian! They are usually more assertive.

Being pro Israel is more to do with the fact that he's a brainwashed Ameriprotestant. Many American evangelicals tithe to Israel.

[Figaro]

I'm not RB obviously but I think his grandmother was 75% Lithuanian and 25% Ashkenazi Jewish. Obviously he is not Jewish himself ethnically or culturally. But the distant ancestry is there.

I think his German could likely be the source of the AJ. 23 has him at about literally 25% Eastern European, which lines up with the other paternal (Lithuanian) grandparent’s ancestry.

[Richmondbread]

Lazarus was Sephardic, Meade is [part] Ashkenazi. Unlikely.

I'm not Jewish in the least. Sorry, bro, we aren't mishpocheh !

[Richmondbread]

I think his German could likely be the source of the AJ. 23 has him at about literally 25% Eastern European, which lines up with the other paternal (Lithuanian) grandparent’s ancestry.

I don't think so. I think there is no Jew at all, and its more likely it's just admixture from Lithuanian that matches with Jewish because of Admixture. Most Jews are mixed.

[Figaro]

I don't think so. I think there is no Jew at all, and its more likely it's just admixture from Lithuanian that matches with Jewish because of Admixture. Most Jews are mixed.

A) By this logic most or all full-blooded Lithuanians will score substantial AJ on 23andme. We both know that this is a ridiculous notion.

B) Your eastern euro is about literally 25%. EE DNA has distinct enough drift from
NW’s to where 23andme doesn’t have a big problem differentiating.

You upload anything to MyHeritage? What groups did you get?

[Richmondbread]

A) By this logic most or all full-blooded Lithuanians will score substantial AJ on 23andme. We both know that this is a ridiculous notion.

B) Your eastern euro is about literally 25%. EE DNA has distinct enough drift from NW’s to where 23andme doesn’t have a big problem differentiating.

I only get 23% East Euro on 23and me- and that's most likely the Lithuanian. 5 % Jew is not substantial. Most real Jews score at least 80% or more.

[Ayetooey]

I think his German could likely be the source of the AJ. 23 has him at about literally 25% Eastern European, which lines up with the other paternal (Lithuanian) grandparent’s ancestry.

Some of his east European likely comes from his German side. His y dna (r1a) is east European and that’s from his German g pa.

[Figaro]

I only get 23% East Euro on 23and me- and that's most likely the Lithuanian. 5 % Jew is not substantial. Most real Jews score at least 80% or more.

Okay...23 vs 25%...there’s always gonna be slightly uneven ways you inherit DNA, and/or the way the algorithms might assign a bit of your Lithuanian into “Finnish” or other things they normally score points in...

[Luke35]

I think his German could likely be the source of the AJ. 23 has him at about literally 25% Eastern European, which lines up with the other paternal (Lithuanian) grandparent’s ancestry.

I was thinking the same. Particularly if, as Leto pointed out, the Lithuanian could be Polish minority, in Lithuania - surely that ancestry would resister as EE on 23andMe. I find 23andMe does a better job than AncestryDNA in regards to phasing and parsing ancestry.

[Figaro]

Some of his east European likely comes from his German side. His y dna (r1a) is east European and that’s from his German g pa.

Yes, but such cases do not always come neatly with expected amounts of EE autosomes. I don’t know where Rich’s deep paternal ancestry is from, it could simply be Germanic R1a (it does happen). I recall him only him mentioning Bavarian for his German ancestry. My paternal great grandfather comes from Meck-Pom on both sides, and my fathers 7% east euro seems to come from another part of his German side (Saxony) based off cousin matches. NE Germany has a lot of people with a lot of EE, while many lines are majorly from BW and the Rhineland.

[Richmondbread]

Some of his east European likely comes from his German side. His y dna (r1a) is east European and that’s from his German g pa.

Germans are not East European. I score almost 70% NW European alone and that is most likely German and Irish

[Ayetooey]

Germans are not East European. I score almost 70% NW European alone and that is most likely German and Irish

Never said they were, but Germans don’t score 100% NW euro on commercial tests aside from some north and north west Germans of which your grandfather wasn’t.

[Smitty]

Yes, but such cases do not always come neatly with expected amounts of EE autosomes. I don’t know where Rich’s deep paternal ancestry is from, it could simply be Germanic R1a (it does happen). I recall him only him mentioning Bavarian for his German ancestry. My paternal great grandfather comes from Meck-Pom on both sides, and my fathers 7% east euro seems to come from another part of his German side (Saxony) based off cousin matches. NE Germany has a lot of people with a lot of EE, while many lines are majorly from BW and the Rhineland.

He's mentioned Pfeddersheim (near Mannheim) and Leipzig as his other German origins. Both had or were near large Jewish communities. But Leipzig is in Saxony and could also have brought some EE. I don't know how Saxons score on 23andme.

[BakersfieldChimp]

He's mentioned Pfeddersheim (near Mannheim) and Leipzig as his other German origins. Both had or were near large Jewish communities. But Leipzig is in Saxony and could also have brought some EE. I don't know how Saxons score on 23andme.

In the nineteenth century, people and entire families hid their Jewish origins for obvious reasons. A great, great grandparent from that region may have been Jewish without that fact becoming part of a birth record or subsequent family tree.

[Richmondbread]

He's mentioned Pfeddersheim (near Mannheim) and Leipzig as his other German origins. Both had or were near large Jewish communities. But Leipzig is in Saxony and could also have brought some EE. I don't know how Saxons score on 23andme.

No. If I have any Jewish (which I do not) it would most likely come from the Lithuanian side. There were more Jews in Lithuania than Germany anyhow.

[Italicus]

Lmao you are now Heeb Kiketon :lol:

[Ezio Auditore]

Time to stop denying your Jewish admixture. 6% is actually substantial.

Jesus was jewish at one point. Richmond should be proud and accept this heritage.

[Richmondbread]

Jesus was jewish at one point. Richmond should be proud and accept this heritage.

Except , I have zero Jewish heritage.

[Italicus]

Except , I have zero Jewish heritage.

My dear Meade, you are still part Jewish. Stop denying it. :jew::jewish:

[Purple Panther]

I readily acknowledge my extremely scant Sicilian ancestry. It's more than obvious that Richmondbread is just another self-hating Jew who's in deep denial of his heritage, and it's a darn shame. SMH

[Jana]

Except , I have zero Jewish heritage.

Yes you have, and denial is simply pathetic. There is 0% chance that you are not part Jewish. It is most likely from your Lithuanian side. Lithuania had large Jewish population.
Deal with it and move on.

[Voskos]

I'd rather worry about that 23% Irish giving you that Germanic build.

[BakersfieldChimp]

I readily acknowledge my extremely scant Sicilian ancestry. It's more than obvious that Richmondbread is just another self-hating Jew who's in deep denial of his heritage, and it's a darn shame. SMH

Richy should look at his extended family tree. One of His paternal grandparents is likely to have a branch of cousins who didn't make it through WWII.

[Leto]

You can say 'kike' all you want at least.
6% shouldn't even matter 'cause they don't let anyone with less than 25% Jewish into Israel.

[Longbowman]

I readily acknowledge my extremely scant Sicilian ancestry. It's more than obvious that Richmondbread is just another self-hating Jew who's in deep denial of his heritage, and it's a darn shame. SMH

To be a self-hating Jew you have to be Jewish, he is no more a self-hating Jew than he'd be a self-hating black man if he scored 1/16 SSA.

[Richmondbread]

Yes you have, and denial is simply pathetic. There is 0% chance that you are not part Jewish. It is most likely from your Lithuanian side. Lithuania had large Jewish population.
Deal with it and move on.

Then where is my Jewish ancestor? None such can be traced.

[Richmondbread]

Richy should look at his extended family tree. One of His paternal grandparents is likely to have a branch of cousins who didn't make it through WWII.

This is a lie. On all my DNA tests I match 90% with people of British ancestry. I have very few if any Jews related to me. I even have some Negroes.

[BakersfieldChimp]

This is a lie. On all my DNA tests I match 90% with people of British ancestry. I have very few if any Jews related to me. I even have some Negroes.

Your six percent Jewish DNA didn't just appear from nowhere.

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”

― Philip K. Dick

[Leto]

In the nineteenth century, people and entire families hid their Jewish origins for obvious reasons. A great, great grandparent from that region may have been Jewish without that fact becoming part of a birth record or subsequent family tree.
The same is true for Romani/Gypsy people in Southeastern Europe. Many have of them have "quietly" assimilated.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Richmondbread's Jtest results


SOUTH_BALTIC 16.64
EAST_EURO 13.48
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.15
ATLANTIC 19.31
WEST_MED 12.12
ASHKENAZI 3.40
EAST_MED 0.19
WEST_ASIAN 6.91
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.81
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 1.00
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

You can see in this thread people who score much more than Richmondbread's and still do not have Jewish ancestry

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?70027-Post-your-EUtest-amp-Jtest-results

[Richmondbread]

I'm a Baptist. There is no Jewish in me. If I were Jewish, I'd be smart and successful.

[Figaro]

I'm a Baptist. There is no Jewish in me. If I were Jewish, I'd be smart and successful.

So you just had AJ ancestors who converted after marriages or whatnot. I’m similar AJ to you and I was raised Lutheran. People change.

Edit: My direct Y line is not the source of my AJ, but you get my point.....

[Richmondbread]

Your six percent Jewish DNA didn't just appear from nowhere.

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”

― Philip K. Dick

It's called Admixture. Almost all Jews have European admixture, especially with Lithuanians.

[Jana]

Richmondbread's Jtest results


SOUTH_BALTIC 16.64
EAST_EURO 13.48
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.15
ATLANTIC 19.31
WEST_MED 12.12
ASHKENAZI 3.40
EAST_MED 0.19
WEST_ASIAN 6.91
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.81
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 1.00
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

You can see in this thread people who score much more than Richmondbread's and still do not have Jewish ancestry

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?70027-Post-your-EUtest-amp-Jtest-results

It's not realiable. If you score Jewish on Ancestry and especially 23andme, it's real.

[Richmondbread]

It's not realiable. If you score Jewish on Ancestry and especially 23andme, it's real.

No, it's not because the DNA tests are bunk. They are for entertainment purposes only.

[Jana]

It's called Admixture. Almost all Jews have European admixture, especially with Lithuanians.

No. It is you who has Jewish admixture. Share your kit number, I guarantee I will find your Jewish matches easily.

[Jana]

No, it's not because the DNA tests are bunk. They are for entertainment purposes only.

Hahaha, cope.

[Richmondbread]

No. It is you who has Jewish admixture. Share your kit number, I guarantee I will find your Jewish matches easily.

On the DNA matches it's overwhelmingly non Jews. I score highest with people of British extraction.

[Jana]

On the DNA matches it's overwhelmingly non Jews. I score highest with people of British extraction.

Big surprise, you are mostly NW European. But I am 100% sure you have many concrete AJ matches, and if you share your kit number it can be checked easily.

[Richmondbread]

Big surprise, you are mostly NW European. But I am 100% sure you have many concrete AJ matches, and if you share your kit number it can be checked easily.

Almost all Europeans would because Jews have admixture.

[Jana]

Almost all Europeans would because Jews have admixture.

No, trough matching it is easily seen who has Jewish ancestry and who does not. Especially since Jews are highly related. You know that your Jewish is real, that's why you won't share your kit number.

[Ayetooey]

Big surprise, you are mostly NW European. But I am 100% sure you have many concrete AJ matches, and if you share your kit number it can be checked easily.

I used to connect with Meade on 23andme and he showed me that now deleted page which shows what percent of your matches have insert genetic component on 23andme, it was something around 30% of his matches having Ashkenazi Jewish dna, despite only being 6% himself. Endogamy.

[Richmondbread]

I used to connect with Meade on 23andme and he showed me that now deleted page which shows what percent of your matches have insert genetic component on 23andme, it was something around 30% of his matches having Ashkenazi Jewish dna, despite only being 6% himself. Endogamy.

Not at all. It was more like a under 5%

[Jana]

I used to connect with Meade on 23andme and he showed me that now deleted page which shows what percent of your matches have insert genetic component on 23andme, it was something around 30% of his matches having Ashkenazi Jewish dna, despite only being 6% himself. Endogamy.

Haha, that's something person with no Jewish ancestry would never get. Even if there is little Jewish ancestry one will get tons of AJ matches. He's ridiculous in his denial.

[BakersfieldChimp]

It's called Admixture. Almost all Jews have European admixture, especially with Lithuanians.

This still doesn't explain how you can have 6% Ashkenazi Jewish DNA with zero Ashkenazi ancestors.

[Richmondbread]

Haha, that's something person with no Jewish ancestry would never get. Even if there is little Jewish ancestry one will get tons of AJ matches. He's ridiculous in his denial.

Because it isn't true. My top matches are not Jewish at all. 23and me even says that I score overwhelmingly with British ancestry matches.

[Jana]

Before World War II, the Lithuanian Jewish population comprised some 160,000, about 7% of the total population. Vilnius had a Jewish community of nearly 100,000, about 45% of the city's total population. There were over 110 synagogues and 10 yeshivas in Vilnius alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Jews

[Jana]

Because it isn't true. My top matches are not Jewish at all. 23and me even says that I score overwhelmingly with British ancestry matches.

It's not about top matches, it's about the fact 30% of your matches had Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry which is impossible to get for somebody who isn't partly Jewish.
Yes, you are part Jewish.

Lying and denying won't erase that fact.

[Figaro]

I still think it could be from his German side....Meade, what percentage in French+German does 23 assign you? Also, how much broadly NW euro?

[Ayetooey]

Meade is offended by being part 1/16th AJ (when they plot with peripheral southerners like Cretans, Sicilians etc) because he doesn't want to be seen as "non white", yet he calls himself native American, and pays dues to some tribe. 0 logic.

[Mejgusu]

Meade is offended by being part 1/16th AJ (when they plot with peripheral southerners like Cretans, Sicilians etc) because he doesn't want to be seen as "non white", yet he calls himself native American, and pays dues to some tribe. 0 logic.

Maybe his Amerindian ancestry is belonging to one of the lost tribes of Israel, aren’t there theories which say Native Americans are one of the lost tribes.

https://i.ibb.co/jwtDzMc/4-C86-FACB-010-F-468-D-B036-251264-EAA8-A6.jpg

[Richmondbread]

Meade is offended by being part 1/16th AJ (when they plot with peripheral southerners like Cretans, Sicilians etc) because he doesn't want to be seen as "non white", yet he calls himself native American, and pays dues to some tribe. 0 logic.

Because I have documented Amerindian lineage. None such for any Jews.

[Richmondbread]

It's not about top matches, it's about the fact 30% of your matches had Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry which is impossible to get for somebody who isn't partly Jewish.
Yes, you are part Jewish.

Lying and denying won't erase that fact.

Nowhere close to 30%. I have an account there. He is lying about it.

[Smitty]

It's not about top matches, it's about the fact 30% of your matches had Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry which is impossible to get for somebody who isn't partly Jewish.
Yes, you are part Jewish.

Lying and denying won't erase that fact.

I did an analysis on my mom's Ancestry matches and found 8-9% of them (only about 80% made their results public) had Jewish ancestry. That dropped to 3% or so who had more than 4% Jewish. I have no known Jewish ancestry, but I don't know how that compares to others. A handful were fully Jewish, but they were 7 cM matches or under, and at that level she has matches from almost every ethnicity in Europe and some from beyond. It'd be interesting to see other statistics.

[Ayetooey]

Because I have documented Amerindian lineage. None such for any Jews.

Lol, your "documentation" comes from your "fourth cousin" who runs an unrecognized tribe, and who claims you and other gullible fools who pay him considerable amount of membership fees, are descended from Pocahontas lost daughter (of which there is absolutely no historical evidence of).

[BakersfieldChimp]

Meade is offended by being part 1/16th AJ (when they plot with peripheral southerners like Cretans, Sicilians etc) because he doesn't want to be seen as "non white", yet he calls himself native American, and pays dues to some tribe. 0 logic.

He claims his ancestor is his tenth or 11th great-grandmother. A tenth-generation and farther contribute a fraction of a percent.

After 10 generations, it is less than 0.1%
1/(2^10)< .001 Basic statistics is our friend.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?269607-My-Pocahontas-Family-Tree!&p=5634022&viewfull=1#post5634022


"I believe the reason it doesn't show in my DNA is because the closest Indian relative was over 400 years ago. It may show up in one of my siblings tests. Also, since my 4th great grandparents were 1st cousins, it may mean that Pocahontas would actually be my 10th great grandmother instead of my 11th."

[Ayetooey]

He claims his ancestor is his tenth or 11th great-grandmother. A tenth-generation and farther contribute a fraction of a percent.

After 10 generations, it is less than 0.1%
1/(2^10)< .001 Basic statistics is our friend.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?269607-My-Pocahontas-Family-Tree!&p=5634022&viewfull=1#post5634022


"I believe the reason it doesn't show in my DNA is because the closest Indian relative was over 400 years ago. It may show up in one of my siblings tests. Also, since my 4th great grandparents were 1st cousins, it may mean that Pocahontas would actually be my 10th great grandmother instead of my 11th."

The secret daughter he is supposedly descended from doesn't exist anyhow, no historical evidence of this secret daughter of Pocahontas. It's just a money making scheme concocted to take money from Meade and other dumb White trash who "thunk der Injun".

[Smitty]

The secret daughter he is supposedly descended from doesn't exist anyhow, no historical evidence of this secret daughter of Pocahontas. It's just a money making scheme concocted to take money from Meade and other dumb White trash who "thunk der Injun".

I really can't stand this junk genealogy. It's everywhere. For some people, reality is nothing more than what exists in their own heads, what they want to believe. They can't grapple with the fact that there is a reality that transcends them and is true, whether or not they like it.

[Voskos]

Do you have any african ancestry?Possible that East Euro+African could be interpreted as Jewish?

[Purple Panther]

Richy should look at his extended family tree. One of His paternal grandparents is likely to have a branch of cousins who didn't make it through WWII.

That could be. You could say the same thing about millions of people who *aren't* Jewish.

[Purple Panther]

To be a self-hating Jew you have to be Jewish, he is no more a self-hating Jew than he'd be a self-hating black man if he scored 1/16 SSA.

No kidding. I see that I should have used a sarcasm disclaimer.

[BakersfieldChimp]

The secret daughter he is supposedly descended from doesn't exist anyhow, no historical evidence of this secret daughter of Pocahontas. It's just a money making scheme concocted to take money from Meade and other dumb White trash who "thunk der Injun".

That Bill Deyo guy is a complete piece of work. A guess a "Native American Oral Historian" can make things up out of nothing and is to be believed. He just knew he was descended from Pochantus. He discovered he was descended from an unknown Native American maiden. Pocahontas had a conjectured child about the same time frame. So he inserted this child into his family tree. It doesn't seem to bother him that other "Oral Histories" call this child a boy. Or that there were dozens of other native American females running around at that time that could have been candidates.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Our_Patawomack_Ancestors

[Longbowman]

Do you have any african ancestry?Possible that East Euro+African could be interpreted as Jewish?

Jews are not East African + EEA. East African + EEA would not be misinterpreted as Jewish.

Besides, this is 23andme and Ancestry, not GEDmatch. Their atDNA paintings go by SNP IDB sharing, not a line-of-best-fit.

[Purple Panther]

For some people, reality is nothing more than what exists in their own heads, what they want to believe. They can't grapple with the fact that there is a reality that transcends them and is true, whether or not they like it.

I know. You could say the same thing about people who support Joe Biden.

[Longbowman]

That Bill Deyo guy is a complete piece of work. A guess a "Native American Oral Historian" can make things up out of nothing and is to be believed. He just knew he was descended from Pochantus. He discovered he was descended from an unknown Native American maiden. Pocahontas had a conjectured child about the same time frame. So he inserted this child into his family tree. It doesn't seem to bother him that other "Oral Histories" call this child a boy. Or that there were dozens of other native American females running around at that time that could have been candidates.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Our_Patawomack_Ancestors

Thanks for this resource. Deyo is a fraud. But the thing is, even if he were right about being 1/2048 Patawomeck (11 generations ago) - so what? 1/2048 is nothing. If 1/2048 is meaningful, we're all members of the Royal Family. These jokers have a state-recognised tribe in Virginia with 2,300 pasty-white members.

[BakersfieldChimp]

Thanks for this resource. Deyo is a fraud. But the thing is, even if he were right about being 1/2048 Patawomeck (11 generations ago) - so what? 1/2048 is nothing. If 1/2048 is meaningful, we're all members of the Royal Family. These jokers have a state-recognised tribe in Virginia with 2,300 pasty-white members.

1/2048 is significant enough to wear a Native American costume in public and lower his neighborhood's property values. However, 1/16 is due to measurement error or some other extraneous result. The most absurd part is none of that really matters since it is what we do with our own lives that define us.

[Purple Panther]

But the thing is, even if he were right about being 1/2048 Patawomeck (11 generations ago) - so what? 1/2048 is nothing.

I agree. Try telling that to Elizabeth Warren, though.

[Longbowman]

I agree. Try telling that to Elizabeth Warren, though.

Your country is full of jokers like this. 6 million people identify as Native American on the census, very few of whom are Hispanic. Excepting the Hispanics, I bet you're looking at 2 million actual Natives by race.

[Andullero]

I agree. Try telling that to Elizabeth Warren, though.

It's funny, and sad, how the OP wants to disassociate himself so much from a non-trivial part of his ancestry, though.

[Purple Panther]

It's funny, and sad, how the OP wants to disassociate himself so much from a non-trivial part of his ancestry, though.

Look on the bright side. He hasn't done a "James Bond" on his Irish genes.

[Richmondbread]

Your country is full of jokers like this. 6 million people identify as Native American on the census, very few of whom are Hispanic. Excepting the Hispanics, I bet you're looking at 2 million actual Natives by race.

She is a fraud . She has no lineage or proof of an ancestor. I do.

[Richmondbread]

It's funny, and sad, how the OP wants to disassociate himself so much from a non-trivial part of his ancestry, though.

Assuming the DNA test is "correct" (which it ain't) 6% is hardly a drip of sap on the family tree, and until I find an actual Jewish ancestor on my lineage papers, I declare it inconclusive.

[happycow]

mazel tov

[Richmondbread]

I'm 70% NW European , but everyone is focused on a little Hebrew?

[BakersfieldChimp]

I'm 70% NW European , but everyone is focused on a little Hebrew?

Because you are in denial of it entirely.

If your fraction of a percent of Native American DNA is important, so is your 6% Jew.

[Richmondbread]

Because you are in denial of it entirely.

If your fraction of a percent of Native American DNA is important, so is your 6% Jew.

Where is the Jewish ancestor?

[BakersfieldChimp]

Where is the Jewish ancestor?

Your 6% Jewish DNA had to come from somewhere. It sounds like you need to scrutinize your family tree a little closer.

[Longbowman]

Assuming the DNA test is "correct" (which it ain't) 6% is hardly a drip of sap on the family tree, and until I find an actual Jewish ancestor on my lineage papers, I declare it inconclusive.

If 6% is 'hardly a drip of sap,' what is 0.05%, apart from 'enough to put in my ethnicity bar and attend pow-wows?'

[Richmondbread]

If 6% is 'hardly a drip of sap,' what is 0.05%, apart from 'enough to put in my ethnicity bar and attend pow-wows?'

Combined with a documented lineage , it makes all the difference in the world.

[Longbowman]

Combined with a documented lineage , it makes all the difference in the world.

Mm, so you agree that if your 6% Jewish were 'documented' it would not, in fact, be 'hardly a drip of sap?'

You're very inconsistent and dishonest, Richmond.

[Richmondbread]

Mm, so you agree that if your 6% Jewish were 'documented' it would not, in fact, be 'hardly a drip of sap?'

You're very inconsistent and dishonest, Richmond.

Until I find an actual Jewish ancestor on my tree, I don't consider it legit. The other results check out.

[BakersfieldChimp]

Until I find an actual Jewish ancestor on my tree, I don't consider it legit. The other results check out.
This shows a major crack in your critical reasoning skills.
It explains why you are flummoxed by basic community college math.

[Jansob]

Until I find an actual Jewish ancestor on my tree, I don't consider it legit. The other results check out.
So you basically wasted your money on taking the tests at all, since you were only prepared to believe what you “knew” already.

In actual reality outside the Meadeverse, you have no native dna, although you have a family history connection to them. You have a Jewish ancestor who converted to Christianity and probably hid their origin because people like you would have killed or persecuted them. You have a normal mix of other European heritage. None of the dreaded Subsaharan African that probably would have had you throwing yourself off a building. You’re a pretty normal North American white person. Accept it.

[Jansob]

until I find an actual Jewish ancestor on my lineage papers, I declare it inconclusive.

And I'm sure you'll be looking REAL hard. (No danger of finding it if you don't look for it. But even if you found one, you'd just say (((someone))) snuck into your attic and planted it to mess with you.)

[Richmondbread]

So you basically wasted your money on taking the tests at all, since you were only prepared to believe what you “knew” already.

In actual reality outside the Meadeverse, you have no native dna, although you have a family history connection to them. You have a Jewish ancestor who converted to Christianity and probably hid their origin because people like you would have killed or persecuted them. You have a normal mix of other European heritage. None of the dreaded Subsaharan African that probably would have had you throwing yourself off a building. You’re a pretty normal North American white person. Accept it.

You're confusing DNA with lineage/ancestry. They aren't the same. I do have Native American ancestors and I have found them on my tree. They are real, not fabricated. They aren't "stories" . I have even been invited to Pow Wows. Yet many who have so called "native DNA" can't find any of that and the tribes do not accept the DNA tests for admission.

[Jansob]

Like I said, you have a family history connection.
But any true biological ancestry (ancestry that would affect your actual characteristics) is so far back that your percentage of NA dna is undetectable. You don't have NA blood, only a paper connection from centuries ago. The NA blood washed out over the generations.

If you can prove your connection so well, why haven't you applied for membership in the tribe? It comes with benefits that might help you financially.

On a related note, Native Americans aren't white. They are Siberian/Mongolian essentially. Why are you so desperate to convince everyone that you are less white than you appear?

[BakersfieldChimp]

Like I said, you have a family history connection.
But any true biological ancestry (ancestry that would affect your actual characteristics) is so far back that your percentage of NA dna is undetectable. You don't have NA blood, only a paper connection from centuries ago. The NA blood washed out over the generations.

If you can prove your connection so well, why haven't you applied for membership in the tribe? It comes with benefits that might help you financially.

On a related note, Native Americans aren't white. They are Siberian/Mongolian essentially. Why are you so desperate to convince everyone that you are less white than you appear?

Suppose a person has an ancestor ten generations back.
The bloodline is divided in two for each generation,

2^10=1024 so 1/1024 < 0.1% is due to that ancestor.
Keep dividing the number by two for every generation above ten.

How significant is it really?

Genetics is fun!
If a person's father is an "ethnic scum", that person is 50% "ethnic scum'.





"Science is built of facts the way a house is built of bricks: but an accumulation of facts is no more science than a pile of bricks is a house”-Henri Poincaré.

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing it, doesn't go away.” – Philip K. Dick.


"Reality is a sandwich I didn’t order"-Zippy the Pinhead

[Richmondbread]

Like I said, you have a family history connection.
But any true biological ancestry (ancestry that would affect your actual characteristics) is so far back that your percentage of NA dna is undetectable. You don't have NA blood, only a paper connection from centuries ago. The NA blood washed out over the generations.

If you can prove your connection so well, why haven't you applied for membership in the tribe? It comes with benefits that might help you financially.

On a related note, Native Americans aren't white. They are Siberian/Mongolian essentially. Why are you so desperate to convince everyone that you are less white than you appear?

I do on GedMatch