Are most non whites who think they can pass as white just coping?

[Borealis]

There is a minority of nonwhites(Mestizos, Middle Easterns, and Indians) who think they can genuinely pass as white. In the majority of cases these seem to be women using a lot of make up. We have discussed on many occasions how almost anyone can pass as white in the United States and Latin America because the bar for whiteness is very low in those regions, or be mistaken as white in much of the nonwhite world. But passing as white in places where actual white Europeans live is another story entirely. To demonstrate this, watch this video about Russian neo Nazis. They attack even Chechens and Armenians who are by far the most white passing of all ethnics and call them “black”. So if even they are identified and targeted, what chance do other minorities have?


https://youtu.be/GV4v31azgQM

I think Arabs, Indians, etc who think they can pass as white are just deluding themselves.

[Bred]

Being white so relative to some extinct . even Russians aren't considered pur white by German N*åzi's

[RogueState]

I feel that many Latin Americans have a kind of inverted one-drop rule : if you are not dark-skinned and not obviously looking African or Indian (Native American), that means you are White

And that can apply to someone who is just castizo or quarteroon, that same person in the US context, would be considered "ethnic/exotic" and non-White.

[PhenotypeMaster]

It depends on the country you are in and how light featured the white people are. A non-european could pass as white in certain areas of Europe, but not in pale/blonde countries like Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, UK, Netherlands etc.

[SilverKnight]

There is a minority of nonwhites(Mestizos, Middle Easterns, and Indians) who think they can genuinely pass as white. In the majority of cases these seem to be women using a lot of make up. We have discussed on many occasions how almost anyone can pass as white in the United States and Latin America because the bar for whiteness is very low in those regions, or be mistaken as white in much of the nonwhite world. But passing as white in places where actual white Europeans live is another story entirely. To demonstrate this, watch this video about Russian neo Nazis. They attack even Chechens and Armenians who are by far the most white passing of all ethnics and call them “black”. So if even they are identified and targeted, what chance do other minorities have?


https://youtu.be/GV4v31azgQM

I think Arabs, Indians, etc who think they can pass as white are just deluding themselves.

Do you believe in the one drop rule buddy?

[PhenotypeMaster]

Also by the way, Chechens are white. They are discriminated against because of their different culture and way of life, not the way they look.

[Borealis]

Also by the way, Chechens are white. They are discriminated against because of their different culture and way of life, not the way they look.

That's news to me.
Distance to: Chechen
0.01742263 Ingushian
0.02616313 Tabasaran
0.02824559 Adygei
0.03000707 Lak
0.03050721 Avar
0.03060531 Balkar
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0.03217306 Kumyk
0.03327607 Kubachinian
0.03414064 Kaitag
0.03430757 North_Ossetian
0.03455299 Karachay
0.03503453 Circassian
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0.03825453 Kabardin
0.03835157 Darginian
0.04124179 Abazin
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0.06176095 Ahiska
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0.06486857 Turkish_East
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0.06600929 Talysh_Azerbaijan
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0.07044897 Iranian_Zoroastrian
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0.07084906 Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.07249594 Tajik_Yagnobi
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0.07436022 Turkish_Central
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0.07867480 Turkish_North
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0.08064330 Iranian_Lor
0.08216979 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.08337549 Georgian_Meskheti
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0.08516401 Bukharian_Jew
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0.08598810 Greek_Trabzon
0.08808126 Turkish_Trabzon
0.08819484 Turkish_Balikesir
0.08831303 Turkish_Aydin
0.08851094 Turkish_Southwest
0.08930576 Armenian
0.09016567 Armenian_Erzurum
0.09305562 Georgian_Jew
0.09541323 Assyrian
0.09654817 Turkish_Rumeli
0.09662356 Tajik_Rushan
0.09734748 Mountain_Jew_o
0.09936961 Mountain_Jew
0.10015957 Turkish_Deliorman
0.10043263 Greek_Cappadocia
0.10083218 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.10471838 Parsi_Pakistan
0.10505180 Tajik_Shugnan
0.10720767 Iranian_Jew
0.10793403 Parsi_India
0.11002423 Greek_Crete
0.11074727 Roma_Madrid
0.11113420 Tajik

[Mortimer]

I dont know if they are coping, maybe someone tells them they can pass as white, so it is part of their experience, usually people grow up having a image of themselfes which others often told them. I was told by my family and the environment what I look like before I was able to realise what race is even. I grew up believing my eyes are black, my skin is brown, and my hair is black. Usually people comment on you as soon as you are born before you even can comment on yourself. I didnt grew up believing I can pass as white. But others might, if they have green eyes or fair skin, that someone says they can mistaken for white, so it is part of their experience it is not their fault.

[Borealis]

I dont know if they are coping, maybe someone tells them they can pass as white, so it is part of their experience, usually people grow up having a image of themselfes which others often told them. I was told by my family and the environment what I look like before I was able to realise what race is even. I grew up believing my eyes are black, my skin is brown, and my hair is black. Usually people comment on you as soon as you are born before you even can comment on yourself. I didnt grew up believing I can pass as white. But others might, if they have green eyes or fair skin, that someone says they can mistaken for white, so it is part of their experience it is not their fault.

Yea, ethnics often think they can pass as white because other ethnics think they are. Or they live in the United States where people are just ignorant as hell.

Case in point is that Cuban lady who was on here in the past. She thought that just because other hispanics thought she was white and because dumbass rednecks in the south thought she was "Italian" meant that she passed as white. In reality, rednecks also think Arabs/Persians are Greeks or Italians so it does not mean anything.

[Mortimer]

Yea, ethnics often think they can pass as white because other ethnics think they are. Or they live in the United States where people are just ignorant as hell.

Case in point is that Cuban lady who was on here in the past. She thought that just because other hispanics thought she was white and because dumbass rednecks in the south thought she was "Italian" meant that she passed as white. In reality, rednecks also think Arabs/Persians are Greeks or Italians so it does not mean anything.

If we think of the same person, she was 99% southern european she did a genetic test, so she was indeed white hispanic, cuban doesnt mean you are black or mixed always. but italians can be mistaken for non-white in russia too.

[Mixdguy17]

Who cares tbh

[Borealis]

Do you believe in the one drop rule buddy?

No.

[Flub]

Yes.

[Avicenna]

That's news to me.
Distance to: Chechen
0.01742263 Ingushian
0.02616313 Tabasaran
0.02824559 Adygei
0.03000707 Lak
0.03050721 Avar
0.03060531 Balkar
0.03117536 Georgian_Tush
0.03172066 Georgian_Khevs
0.03217306 Kumyk
0.03327607 Kubachinian
0.03414064 Kaitag
0.03430757 North_Ossetian
0.03455299 Karachay
0.03503453 Circassian
0.03567083 Cherkes
0.03620190 Ossetian
0.03825453 Kabardin
0.03835157 Darginian
0.04124179 Abazin
0.04435793 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.05050913 Abkhasian
0.05726982 Georgian_Svan
0.05762190 Georgian_Kart
0.06176095 Ahiska
0.06267320 Udi
0.06389843 Georgian_Kakh
0.06486857 Turkish_East
0.06563510 Georgian_Megr
0.06600929 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.06832709 Georgian_Imer
0.06979980 Azerbaijani
0.07044897 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.07080452 Georgian_Ajar
0.07084906 Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.07249594 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.07251451 Ezid
0.07299141 Iranian_Fars
0.07315666 Kurdish
0.07436022 Turkish_Central
0.07442023 Turkish_Adana
0.07468820 Turkish_Kayseri
0.07693659 Georgian_Laz
0.07867480 Turkish_North
0.07933875 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.08016323 Iranian_Persian_Shiraz
0.08064330 Iranian_Lor
0.08216979 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.08337549 Georgian_Meskheti
0.08428148 Turkish_South
0.08516401 Bukharian_Jew
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0.08598810 Greek_Trabzon
0.08808126 Turkish_Trabzon
0.08819484 Turkish_Balikesir
0.08831303 Turkish_Aydin
0.08851094 Turkish_Southwest
0.08930576 Armenian
0.09016567 Armenian_Erzurum
0.09305562 Georgian_Jew
0.09541323 Assyrian
0.09654817 Turkish_Rumeli
0.09662356 Tajik_Rushan
0.09734748 Mountain_Jew_o
0.09936961 Mountain_Jew
0.10015957 Turkish_Deliorman
0.10043263 Greek_Cappadocia
0.10083218 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.10471838 Parsi_Pakistan
0.10505180 Tajik_Shugnan
0.10720767 Iranian_Jew
0.10793403 Parsi_India
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0.11074727 Roma_Madrid
0.11113420 Tajik

Bro I think you have an issue regarding people who are obviously lighter than you and can pass in Europe . You envy them . Let's not beat around the bush . Chechens and north Caucasians are white . Showing a g25 oracle list which don't really mean much in the grand schemes of thing is pointless . I request a IBD analysis too and dstats while your at it .

Fyi don't know why you posted that oracle like it supported the point you are making . They are close to north Caucasians , Turks and Greeks . Are Sicilians and southern Italians white according to you? Because I can do the same thing and post a orcale list which shows them close to Jews and levantines . But we move on eh.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Yea, ethnics often think they can pass as white because other ethnics think they are. Or they live in the United States where people are just ignorant as hell.

Case in point is that Cuban lady who was on here in the past. She thought that just because other hispanics thought she was white and because dumbass rednecks in the south thought she was "Italian" meant that she passed as white. In reality, rednecks also think Arabs/Persians are Greeks or Italians so it does not mean anything.

"Dumbass rednecks in the South", he farts. Yet, leftists always whine about caricatures and stereotypes because they're the least self aware people on the freaking planet. SMH

[Alexandro]

Do you believe in the one drop rule buddy?

I mean, one drop rule is one thing. You have many drops. Like a whole liter of drops.

[Cristiano viejo]

It depends on the country you are in and how light featured the white people are. A non-european could pass as white in certain areas of Europe, but not in pale/blonde countries like Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, UK, Netherlands etc.
Many non Europeans specially from Asia could pass in Finland, Sweden etc and only there.


Chechens are white.

:picard1:

[brucewillis]

Many non Europeans specially from Asia could pass in Finland, Sweden etc and only there.



:picard1:


Definitely not

[Universe]

I once met a white looking indian guy. He told me he was Indian but didn't elaborate further. I could hardly believe him, he didn't look like those bollywoodoid, lighter than avarage Indians, he really looked like a European person. Maybe he was part British or something. Then again Freddie Mercury was also Indian (of Parsi origin though) and he was european passing.

[Andullero]

I mean, one drop rule is one thing. You have many drops. Like a whole liter of drops.

I wonder why he considers it wrong to acknowledge his pardoness.

[Alexandro]

I wonder why he considers it wrong to acknowledge his pardoness.

Complejos.

[Andullero]

Complejos.

Por ese tipo de cosas es que yo he decidido permanecer en mi isla no importa lo que pase. Nada es superior a vivir entre tu propia gente, ni todas las fortunas del universo.

[Italicus]

Do you believe in the one drop rule buddy?

Silverknight, there's a difference between a drop and a gallon. You are mulatto, and not white. Lots of people would probably think you are straight up black. And that's ok. Be happy with what you are, all of it.

[Cristiano viejo]

Definitely not

How not? lot of Mongoloids in Sweden.

[Alexandro]

Por ese tipo de cosas es que yo he decidido permanecer en mi isla no importa lo que pase. Nada es superior a vivir entre tu propia gente, ni todas las fortunas del universo.

Así es. Valoro el tener a la familia cerca por encima de todo. En cualquier caso, la situación económica global se va a la mierda a niveles nunca vistos desde los años 30....mejor que te pille cerca de los tuyos que no solo.

[brucewillis]

How not? lot of Mongoloids in Sweden.


are you sure? :rolleyes:
https://i.imgur.com/GLL0M9y.png

[Erronkari]

I don’t know, me and most people of my area don’t care about this.
Sometimes I am interested to know if I pass in certain areas of the world… just only that.

[Cristiano viejo]

are you sure? :rolleyes:
https://i.imgur.com/GLL0M9y.png
Yes

https://www.clarin.com/img/2019/03/30/greta-thunberg-falta-un-dia___8yefVse1d_1200x630__1.jpg

[SilverKnight]

Silverknight, there's a difference between a drop and a gallon. You are mulatto, and not white. Lots of people would probably think you are straight up black. And that's ok. Be happy with what you are, all of it.

Your "logic": Enough to be "black" but not to be "white", :rolleyes:.. see that statement doesn't make any sense and is one sided.

See my question was a trick question for you guys, and you felt for it just as I expected /predicted. :rolleyes:

[Smitty]

Your "logic": Enough to be "black" but not to be "white", :rolleyes:.. see that statement doesn't make any sense and is one sided.

See my question was a trick question for you guys, and you felt for it just as I expected /predicted. :rolleyes:

:picard1: How did anyone falt for this "trick"? They called you a mulatto, not black. And you are a mulatto.

[Smitty]

As for the question, I suspect most non-whites who think they look white are indeed imagining it and take some pleasure in the thought. That being said, there are undoubtedly some non-whites who do look white, and they're going to be called wannabes by people like you regardless.

I will also add, the bar for whiteness is not that low in America. People may be fooled into thinking Cubans, etc. are Italian or Greek or whatever, but they don't assume it to start with. If anything, a swarthy South European is likely to be assumed as non-white.

[SilverKnight]

:picard1: How did anyone falt for this "trick"? They called you a mulatto, not black. And you are a mulatto.

Are you able to fucking read? / comprehend


Silverknight, there's a difference between a drop and a gallon. You are mulatto, and not white. Lots of people would probably think you are straight up black.

This is the part I was referring too bloody hell.

[Smitty]

Are you able to fucking read? / comprehend



This is the part I was referring too bloody hell.

Lots of people would probably think you are straight-up black. A (true) statement about others, not a claim he himself made. Are you able to comprehend?

[SilverKnight]

Lots of people would probably think you are straight-up black. A (true) statement about others, not a claim he himself made. Are you able to comprehend?

Well by personal experience this is farther from the truth. And even if someone thought that they're either complete idiots or just ignorant about biology/ anthro.

[Alexandro]

Lots of people would probably think you are straight-up black. A (true) statement about others, not a claim he himself made. Are you able to comprehend?

People in Spain would consider SilverKnight black. A lot of people anyway.

[SilverKnight]

People in Spain would consider SilverKnight black. A lot of people anyway.

Just pure ignorance on the subject matter.

[Alexandro]

Just pure ignorance on the subject matter.

Yo solo informo, tio. No mates al mensajero....

[Comealongwithme]

Another thread where Silverknight has to be reminded that he is Black? Lol

https://c.tenor.com/a4yDwGZk4k4AAAAC/dj-khaled-another-one.gif

[Blondie]

Its simple white = native european, nothing else. The american racial classification is totally irrelevant in Europe, nobody cares. Also the europeans have ethnic identity not racial, so if you ask a random european who are you, they will say "im french, german, polish" etc, and not "im white".

[Alexandro]

Its simple white = native european, nothing else. The american racial classification is totally irrelevant in Europe, nobody cares. Also the europeans have ethnic identity not racial, so if you ask a random european who are you, they will say "im french, german, polish" etc, and not "im white".

Ya, exactly. Well said. :thumb001:

[Tongio]

Its simple white = native european, nothing else. The american racial classification is totally irrelevant in Europe, nobody cares. Also the europeans have ethnic identity not racial, so if you ask a random european who are you, they will say "im french, german, polish" etc, and not "im white".

Yes, white is a new world label, just like black.

[Italicus]

Are you able to fucking read? / comprehend



This is the part I was referring too bloody hell.

I don't consider you black, I consider you mixed. Which you are.

[SilverKnight]

Another thread where Silverknight has to be reminded that he is Black? Lol


The only thing black about me are a few rap songs in my Spotify playlist :rotfl::rotfl::lmao
.. Oh boy I had a good laugh right there,

[SilverKnight]

I don't consider you black, I consider you mixed. Which you are.
I didn't know mix was a race.

[Italicus]

I didn't know mix was a race.

I'm mixed race and you are mixed race. Accept it.

[SilverKnight]

I'm mixed race and you are mixed race. Accept it.

you do you , and I do me, how about that?
We are all free to identity as what ever the hell we want. End of story.

[Italicus]

you do you , and I do me, how about that?
We are all free to identity as what ever the hell we want. End of story.

Why do you hate being part black so much? It's an intrinsic part of who you are, just like me being Chinese is intrinsic to me whether I like it or not. There's no use in denying it, that's just self hatred.

[Cristiano viejo]

People in Spain would consider SilverKnight black. A lot of people anyway.

In Spain we dont use the terms mulato or mestizo. I mean not many times. If we see a mulato we think he is black, if we see a mestizo we think he is Indio.
Basic people :cool:

[Borealis]

Bro I think you have an issue regarding people who are obviously lighter than you and can pass in Europe . You envy them . Let's not beat around the bush . Chechens and north Caucasians are white . Showing a g25 oracle list which don't really mean much in the grand schemes of thing is pointless . I request a IBD analysis too and dstats while your at it .

Fyi don't know why you posted that oracle like it supported the point you are making . They are close to north Caucasians , Turks and Greeks . Are Sicilians and southern Italians white according to you? Because I can do the same thing and post a orcale list which shows them close to Jews and levantines . But we move on eh.

Lol, accusing me of having an ulterior motive when you are desperately trying each day to link Pashtuns with ethnicities far to the west and/or north of them and desperately disassociating with any groups each of them(Hindus/Indics). It’s the same bullshit with all the ethnonationalists on this forum, they have the same agenda. Claim a link to more western/northern groups and cry if someone links them to “swarthier” ones.

You’re lucky I haven’t brought up by now that you are the banned user The Barnacle from anthrogenica who manipulated his harappaworld scores to seem less south asian shifted. All of the descriptions exactly match you(Tajik, from eastern Afghanistan, claims ancestry from Iran, lives in England, etc) and it also explains why you never post your own genetic results on here despite your interest in anthrofora, and also why you latch onto Zoro/Kurd’s fraudulent calculator distances. Changing your own results to impress people online is pathetic. I'm shocked you didn't also try to lie about your maternal haplogroup(U2c, which is Indian).

And by the way, if you had any awareness of population genetics you would understand that Black Sea Greeks and Turks are effectively Caucasus populations while central Anatolian/Cappodocian Turks are very West Asian shifted. An IBS or any other calculator would show exactly what G25 shows with regard to this. By the way, if you think north Caucasians are “white”, how do you also accept that they are one of the closest groups to Pashtuns/Balochis as Zoro repeatedly claimed? They cannot be simultaneously European and Pashtun adjacent. In reality, they are neither.

[Borealis]

As for the question, I suspect most non-whites who think they look white are indeed imagining it and take some pleasure in the thought. That being said, there are undoubtedly some non-whites who do look white, and they're going to be called wannabes by people like you regardless.

I will also add, the bar for whiteness is not that low in America. People may be fooled into thinking Cubans, etc. are Italian or Greek or whatever, but they don't assume it to start with. If anything, a swarthy South European is likely to be assumed as non-white.

Hardly. I accept there’s a minority of white passing ethnics out there. But these people are generally not going around exclaiming how white they are or even care about the topic. It’s often the ones who are deeply complexed and only a tad bit lighter than others of their race that are desperate to think they’re white.

[brucewillis]

Yes

https://www.clarin.com/img/2019/03/30/greta-thunberg-falta-un-dia___8yefVse1d_1200x630__1.jpg

and what dude i have also seen a lot of dark iberians but its not the average.

[SilverKnight]

In Spain we dont use the terms mulato or mestizo. I mean not many times. If we see a mulato we think he is black, if we see a mestizo we think he is Indio.
Basic people :cool:

Whitest minded nigger out there :cool: :rolleyes:

[Anglo-Celtic]

The only thing black about me are a few rap songs in my Spotify playlist :rotfl::rotfl::lmao
.. Oh boy I had a good laugh right there,

Your race is irrelevant to me. The most important thing is that you're on the right (no pun) side of history.

[Hasien]

In Spain we dont use the terms mulato or mestizo. I mean not many times. If we see a mulato we think he is black, if we see a mestizo we think he is Indio.
Basic people :cool:

Thats because most so called mestizos In Spain are actually 3/4 Amerindian or more based from the latino immigrants i see on YouTube.

Im sure the most clueless village paleto race uneducated will tell i have European influence on my face.

[Italicus]

Thats because most so called mestizos In Spain are actually 3/4 Amerindian or more based from the latino immigrants i see on YouTube.

Im sure the most clueless village paleto race uneducated will tell i have European influence on my face.

I saw quite a few indigenous looking people while I was in Madrid and Barcelona, but I remember there were a few Argentines and a Cuban taxi driver. I also saw some Dominicans as well. Spain receives Hispanic immigrants of multiple racial backgrounds.

[Hasien]

I saw quite a few indigenous looking people while I was in Madrid and Barcelona, but I remember there were a few Argentines and a Cuban taxi driver. I also saw some Dominicans as well. Spain receives Hispanic immigrants of multiple racial backgrounds.

I know what I'm and I perfectly know I'm not white or look heck I'm not even consider white in Mexico (I'm on vacation atm) I don't think I look Indigenous some say I look harnizo others between harnizo and mestizo but never Amerindian.

[StonyArabia]

Lol, accusing me of having an ulterior motive when you are desperately trying each day to link Pashtuns with ethnicities far to the west and/or north of them and desperately disassociating with any groups each of them(Hindus/Indics). It’s the same bullshit with all the ethnonationalists on this forum, they have the same agenda. Claim a link to more western/northern groups and cry if someone links them to “swarthier” ones.

You’re lucky I haven’t brought up by now that you are the banned user The Barnacle from anthrogenica who manipulated his harappaworld scores to seem less south asian shifted. All of the descriptions exactly match you(Tajik, from eastern Afghanistan, claims ancestry from Iran, lives in England, etc) and it also explains why you never post your own genetic results on here despite your interest in anthrofora, and also why you latch onto Zoro/Kurd’s fraudulent calculator distances. Changing your own results to impress people online is pathetic. I'm shocked you didn't also try to lie about your maternal haplogroup(U2c, which is Indian).

And by the way, if you had any awareness of population genetics you would understand that Black Sea Greeks and Turks are effectively Caucasus populations while central Anatolian/Cappodocian Turks are very West Asian shifted. An IBS or any other calculator would show exactly what G25 shows with regard to this. By the way, if you think north Caucasians are “white”, how do you also accept that they are one of the closest groups to Pashtuns/Balochis as Zoro repeatedly claimed? They cannot be simultaneously European and Pashtun adjacent. In reality, they are neither.

Actually that’s not true. Some of us nationalists are more interested in people south of us. For example many Iraqi Arab nationalist especially Bedouins often relate themselves to Yemenites and Omanis. We just don’t like the imposed colonial monarch scum upon the region. There are of course exception such as King Fisal. Plus we want Kuwait, and all the Arabian peninsula united. We could care less about Whites or passing as White. To us Europeans are Europeans, nor we identify them by colour but by their race. We also see the northern groups to be barbaric to be honest and weak and frankly we have nothing to do with them. These northern group have been irrelevant historically, or they can’t create a functioning state, or they can’t be truly independent. Believe me many of us also trace our ancestry to the Yemenite tribes. Yes Mesopotamians had a great civilization but their descendants have nothing to do with us and have become irrelevant with no modern achievement, and the Iranic groups there have nothing to do with us. It’s the northern groups that wanted to assimilate and destroy our way of life, but they never succeed. We are our own unique race.

Look at these people they can easily fit in Yemen and Oman.


https://youtu.be/xsjmWAxqrLg

[Borealis]

Actually that’s not true. Some of us nationalists are more interested in people south of us. For example many Iraqi Arab nationalist especially Bedouins often relate themselves to Yemenites and Omanis. We just don’t like the imposed colonial monarch scum upon the region. There are of course exception such as King Fisal. Plus we want Kuwait, and all the Arabian peninsula united. We could care less about Whites or passing as White. To us Europeans are Europeans, nor we identify them by colour but by their race. We also see the northern groups to be barbaric to be honest and weak and frankly we have nothing to do with them. These northern group have been irrelevant historically, or they can’t create a functioning state, or they can’t be truly independent. Believe me many of us also trace our ancestry to the Yemenite tribes. Yes Mesopotamians had a great civilization but their descendants have nothing to do with us and have become irrelevant with no modern achievement, and the Iranic groups there have nothing to do with us. It’s the northern groups that wanted to assimilate and destroy our way of life, but they never succeed. We are our own unique race.

Look at these people they can easily fit in Yemen and Oman.


https://youtu.be/xsjmWAxqrLg

arab nationalists on here dont do this but the others do

[Cristiano viejo]

Thats because most so called mestizos In Spain are actually 3/4 Amerindian or more based from the latino immigrants i see on YouTube.

Im sure the most clueless village paleto race uneducated will tell i have European influence on my face.
That is not important for us. Mestizos have European influence (if not they would not be mestizos), yet for us they are just Indios.


I saw quite a few indigenous looking people while I was in Madrid and Barcelona, but I remember there were a few Argentines and a Cuban taxi driver. I also saw some Dominicans as well. Spain receives Hispanic immigrants of multiple racial backgrounds.

Madrid and Barcelona are multiethnic cities, and deserve Napalm to be purified.

[Mortimer]

That is not important for us. Mestizos have European influence (if not they would not be mestizos), yet for us they are just Indios.



Madrid and Barcelona are multiethnic cities, and deserve Napalm to be purified.

Hey Gypsy, Bahtalo Nevo Bersh, Romale.

[SilverKnight]

Your race is irrelevant to me. The most important thing is that you're on the right (no pun) side of history.

As American as Apple pie. As patriotic as the stripes, stars, and right wing af and proud about it.

[Alexandro]

As American as Apple pie. As patriotic as the stripes, stars, and right wing af and proud about it.

Nothing against you, but I don't even think super progre Americans see you like that.

[Ayetooey]

Silverknight isn't just white, he's red white and blue! What a patriot. Would buy the guy a beer.

Time to reject the comminazi conspiracy which divides White Americans pushed by the democucks and sleepy Joe! OP hates the west and hates freedom.

[SilverKnight]

Nothing against you, but I don't even think super progre Americans see you like that.

I could care less what others think. Even less what a retarded progre commie would think lol.
America citizen (legally) and to an extent culturally. That's pretty much all that matters ;)

[Alexandro]

I could care less what others think. Even less what a retarded progre commie would think lol.
America citizen (legally) and to an extent culturally. That's pretty much all that matters ;)

My point is that I don't think even zurdos would see you "as American as apple pie", so not sure about your beloved conservatives. I could identify myself as Japanese, but that doesn't make me Japanese. It is also important what your environment considers you....but I digress.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYjxR7a_2Gk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUOJ-Vq-WCQ

[SilverKnight]

My point is that I don't think even zurdos would see you "as American as apple pie", so not sure about your beloved conservatives. I could identify myself as Japanese, but that doesn't make me Japanese. It is also important what your environment considers you....but I digress.

You can't compare Japanese with American, to be Japanese it must be by blood I think, or atleast have one Japanese parent. Being American is more of a social thing, cultural and a form of economic nationalism.

And if we want to go with genetics, then I have ancestors whom stepped on this land way before my European and African ancestors.

[Alexandro]

You can't compare Japanese with American, to be Japanese it must be by blood I think, or atleast have one Japanese parent. Being American is more of a social thing, cultural and a form of economic nationalism.

The word you are looking for is civic nationalism. Although lets not forget that the US was founded with an Anglo culture and ethnic background.


And if we want to go with genetics, then I have ancestors whom stepped on this land way before my European and African ancestors.

Yes....but your ancestors were part of the ethnogenesis of DR, not the US. Your ethnicity was formed elsewhere and has nothing to do with the US.

[Borealis]

I could care less what others think. Even less what a retarded progre commie would think lol.
America citizen (legally) and to an extent culturally. That's pretty much all that matters ;)

Conservative whites will never accept you. You will always be black/hispanic to them.

[Incal]

I feel that many Latin Americans have a kind of inverted one-drop rule : if you are not dark-skinned and not obviously looking African or Indian (Native American), that means you are White

And that can apply to someone who is just castizo or quarteroon, that same person in the US context, would be considered "ethnic/exotic" and non-White.

As Protagoras said: «Man is the measure of all things.»

[Radimir]

As American as Apple pie. As patriotic as the stripes, stars, and right wing af and proud about it.

lol The Founding Fathers did not had a Dominican in mind when they founded the U.S., you don't even belong in the Anglosphere, forget the fact that you are not even of English heritage. You are Hispanic, there is nothing Anglo or American about you.

Being patriotic as "the stripes and stars" (lmfao) implies you are intrinsic to the United States, which for reasons stated above you are not. Conservatives see you as a minority, a POC and everything that's wrong with America today
And Democrats see you as a minority and a POC. There is a correlation to these two viewpoints. Both parties do not perceive you as "American as apple pie" to further break it down. It means You are an outsider, a non-American.

I cannot understand people like you, man lol hahaha this is so weird. Okay, you are a proud right winger/conservative but what traditional values are you preserving, exactly? Your very presence in America is a violation of what the Founding Fathers would've wanted.

[Incal]

Silverknight, there's a difference between a drop and a gallon.

LMAO

[SilverKnight]

Conservative whites will never accept you. You will always be black/hispanic to them.

Lol. Tell that to my white conservative neighbors here in the middle of Kansas :rolleyes:..the best folks I have ever known :cool:

[Italicus]

lol The Founding Fathers did not had a Dominican in mind when they founded the U.S., you don't even belong in the Anglosphere, forget the fact that you are not even of English heritage. You are Hispanic, there is nothing Anglo or American about you.

Being patriotic as "the stripes and stars" (lmfao) implies you are intrinsic to the United States, which for reasons stated above you are not. Conservatives see you as a minority, a POC and everything that's wrong with America today
And Democrats see you as a minority and a POC. There is a correlation to these two viewpoints. Both parties do not perceive you as "American as apple pie" to further break it down. It means You are an outsider, a non-American.

I cannot understand people like you, man lol hahaha this is so weird. Okay, you are a proud right winger/conservative but what traditional values are you preserving, exactly? Your very presence in America is a violation of what the Founding Fathers would've wanted.

Most conservative whites are not racist though. But they still think of him as a black or mixed guy, and not white.

[Italicus]

Lol. Tell that to my white conservative neighbors here in the middle of Kansas :rolleyes:..the best folks I have ever known :cool:

They are conservative in the 21st century definition, not the early to mid 19th century definition and earlier.

[StonyArabia]

arab nationalists on here dont do this but the others do

It’s because we have pride and dignity. We are not going to spit on our ancestors, just because they came from the South or they are dark, when most of us are dark anyways. Like I said we take pride in our Yemenite ancestry just like we do with our Ishmaelite ancestry. What’s happening in Yemen, is thanks to the imposed colonial clowns, once they got removed then real unity of the Arabian peninsula would happen. These monarchs don’t represent the people nor the interest of the people. We real nationalists don’t care about Russia, China, Iran, U.S, Britain or Europe, we oppose them and their interference in our region and we don’t need them either. We want true independence. We also want to impose a system without usurious capitalism, once we implant this, then we achieve our true independence. We also hope to get all the oil nationalized, and we will spend the money on our people, and invest in education. We could care less about outsiders who all have been negative upon us. However we need to get rid of the puppet clowns, and peace will be ushered in and prosperity in our region that’s our goal, not skin colour nonsense. However to gain true freedom it’s to destroy capitalist usury and have our oil and natural gas nationalized. All the foreign troops to be expelled from the Gulf as well.

[Tooting Carmen]

The word you are looking for is civic nationalism. Although lets not forget that the US was founded with an Anglo culture and ethnic background.



Yes....but your ancestors were part of the ethnogenesis of DR, not the US. Your ethnicity was formed elsewhere and has nothing to do with the US.

There seems to be confusion in our criticisms of SilverKnight. On the one hand, he is certainly American by birth, citizenship, culture and values. On the other hand, he is certainly NOT White either genetically or phenotypically. (I'd even hazard to say the average Saudi or Pashtun looks whiter than him). There is also the glaring hypocrisy and conflict of interest in his prior claims to be a Dominican nationalist and Hispanist, which hardly sits well with his supposed American nationalism.

[Tooting Carmen]

It’s because we have pride and dignity. We are not going to spit on our ancestors, just because they came from the South or they are dark, when most of us are dark anyways. Like I said we take pride in our Yemenite ancestry just like we do with our Ishmaelite ancestry. What’s happening in Yemen, is thanks to the imposed colonial clowns, once they got removed then real unity of the Arabian peninsula would happen. These monarchs don’t represent the people nor the interest of the people. We real nationalists don’t care about Russia, China, Iran, U.S, Britain or Europe, we oppose them and their interference in our region and we don’t need them either. We want true independence. We also want to impose a system without usurious capitalism, once we implant this, then we achieve our true independence. We also hope to get all the oil nationalized, and we will spend the money on our people, and invest in education. We could care less about outsiders who all have been negative upon us. However we need to get rid of the puppet clowns, and peace will be ushered in and prosperity in our region that’s our goal, not skin colour nonsense. However to gain true freedom it’s to destroy capitalist usury and have our oil and natural gas nationalized. All the foreign troops to be expelled from the Gulf as well.

Well I am not in any real position to comment on Arab nationalism or unity, but some of what you propose sounds actually quite reasonable to me.

[Hasien]

Well I am not in any real position to comment on Arab nationalism or unity, but some of what you propose sounds actually quite reasonable to me.

Not that I want to get into this nonsense debate of whether if silver knight is white or not, but who looks more European between me and him or the same you will say?

[Tooting Carmen]

you do you , and I do me, how about that?
We are all free to identity as what ever the hell we want. End of story.

A rather postmodernist attitude towards race for someone who claims to be "ultra right-wing". Do you also agree that "trans women are women" then? (Saying that "Black Whites are White" is, if anything, even more preposterous).

[Tooting Carmen]

Not that I want to get into this nonsense debate of whether if silver knight is white or not, but who looks more European between me and him or the same you will say?

Neither of you look European, but you are more Euro-leaning than him for sure.

[Alexandro]

There seems to be confusion in our criticisms of SilverKnight. On the one hand, he is certainly American by birth, citizenship, culture and values. On the other hand, he is certainly NOT White either genetically or phenotypically. (I'd even hazard to say the average Saudi or Pashtun looks whiter than him). There is also the glaring hypocrisy and conflict of interest in his prior claims to be a Dominican nationalist and Hispanist, which hardly sits well with his supposed American nationalism.

There is no problem with him identifying as American, but the irony is that his very presence in the US today in 2022 is not conservative if we look at the history of that country. Many white conservatives with his sorts of talking points view people like SilverKnight as a demographic threat.

[Tooting Carmen]

There is no problem with him identifying as American, but the irony is that his very presence in the US today in 2021 is not conservative if we look at the history of that country. Many white conservatives with his sorts of talking points view people like SilverKnight as a demographic threat.

Who in turn always talks about the Haitian threat re the DR. But you're right.

[Mejgusu]

I am brown sugar, not sugar cube. Who cares what you are or how you look, in the end you will melt in tea and will be drunk by a hot jovencita.

[Italicus]

I'm very white passing, I don't think I'm coping at all.

[FinalFlash]

It doesn't matter because most people outside of obscure genetics forums aren't preoccupied with this nonsense.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Nothing against you, but I don't even think super progre Americans see you like that.

It's like this. Nothing against *you*, but you don't speak for all or most Americans.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Lol. Tell that to my white conservative neighbors here in the middle of Kansas :rolleyes:..the best folks I have ever known :cool:

Forget it, brother. They hate the fact that White Americans aren't as racist as they need them to be.

[Tooting Carmen]

Forget it, brother. They hate the fact that White Americans aren't as racist as they need them to be.

Well given the USA is more a civic than an ethnic nation, it might well be true that, contrary to left-wing stereotypes, White Americans are more accepting of non-whites than most Europeans are. On the other hand, one person who certainly is racist is SilverKnight himself, who denigrates and denies his large Black admixture and anything Black in general.

[SilverKnight]

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[SilverKnight]

Silverknight isn't just white, he's red white and blue! What a patriot. Would buy the guy a beer.

Time to reject the comminazi conspiracy which divides White Americans pushed by the democucks and sleepy Joe! OP hates the west and hates freedom.

My fav is one is Maryland's Double Cannon :thumb001:

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[Anglo-Celtic]

Well given the USA is more a civic than an ethnic nation, it might well be true that, contrary to left-wing stereotypes, White Americans are more accepting of non-whites than most Europeans are. On the other hand, one person who certainly is racist is SilverKnight himself, who denigrates and denies his large Black admixture and anything Black in general.

I don't know much about his views on those subjects. I'll just let the man speak for himself in response to your comments, and I don't agree with him if he's racist against Black people since I prefer a hundred conservative Nigerian migrants over a hundred leftist Swedish migrants, which might make me a political ideologue, but most of us have our own flavor(s) of tribalism if we're honest with ourselves.

[Alexandro]

Well given the USA is more a civic than an ethnic nation, it might well be true that, contrary to left-wing stereotypes, White Americans are more accepting of non-whites than most Europeans are. On the other hand, one person who certainly is racist is SilverKnight himself, who denigrates and denies his large Black admixture and anything Black in general.

Well, he's Spaniard you know. Just an Extremaduran with lower than average SSA.

[Tooting Carmen]

Well, he's Spaniard you know. Just an Extremaduran with lower than average SSA.

If the DR were next door to Uruguay rather than Haiti, would he bitch about it in that way? Because Uruguay is at the very least an equally 'fake' nation as Haiti - essentially a British creation to act as a buffer between Brazil and Argentina and thus impeding the development and access to ports of the other two.

[chinshen]

It’s because we have pride and dignity. We are not going to spit on our ancestors, just because they came from the South or they are dark, when most of us are dark anyways. Like I said we take pride in our Yemenite ancestry just like we do with our Ishmaelite ancestry. What’s happening in Yemen, is thanks to the imposed colonial clowns, once they got removed then real unity of the Arabian peninsula would happen. These monarchs don’t represent the people nor the interest of the people. We real nationalists don’t care about Russia, China, Iran, U.S, Britain or Europe, we oppose them and their interference in our region and we don’t need them either. We want true independence. We also want to impose a system without usurious capitalism, once we implant this, then we achieve our true independence. We also hope to get all the oil nationalized, and we will spend the money on our people, and invest in education. We could care less about outsiders who all have been negative upon us. However we need to get rid of the puppet clowns, and peace will be ushered in and prosperity in our region that’s our goal, not skin colour nonsense. However to gain true freedom it’s to destroy capitalist usury and have our oil and natural gas nationalized. All the foreign troops to be expelled from the Gulf as well.

What a shame that a dignified proud Southerner Arabian nationalist can't find a proud dignified south Arabian desert country to live in proudly and call it home, but instead choses to live in an infidel corrupt colonial western land!!!!.

The dignified southern Bedouins had turned some of the most civilized & fertile northern lands into uncivilized empty deserts just like their original land while complaining about how colonial are others.
I am sure that the imperialist western countries did not kidnap and take you by force to the west. You are free to return to your ancestral southern deserts without hurting anyone's feelings.

[Alexandro]

If the DR were next door to Uruguay rather than Haiti, would he bitch about it in that way? Because Uruguay is at the very least an equally 'fake' nation as Haiti - essentially a British creation to act as a buffer between Brazil and Argentina and thus impeding the development and access to ports of the other two.

We both know the answer to that question.

[Borealis]

Lol. Tell that to my white conservative neighbors here in the middle of Kansas :rolleyes:..the best folks I have ever known :cool:

Ahh, so they see you as "one of the good ones". Hardly surprising.

I don't think that bunch of drunken rednecks at a bar would give you the same courtesy.

[SilverKnight]

Ahh, so they see you as "one of the good ones". Hardly surprising.

I don't think that bunch of drunken rednecks at a bar would give you the same courtesy.

Nope. Been to bars all over the US... keep trying buddy, you sound like the typical libtard that frames every white person as racist. :rolleyes:

[Anglo-Celtic]

Ahh, so they see you as "one of the good ones". Hardly surprising.

I don't think that bunch of drunken rednecks at a bar would give you the same courtesy.

I'll put it to you like this. Silver Knight would be much safer in a redneck bar than he would be in the inner city where I was born.

[SilverKnight]

I'll put it to you like this. Silver Knight would be much safer in a redneck bar than he would be in the inner city where I was born.

Exactly! ..

[Incal]

If the DR were next door to Uruguay rather than Haiti, would he bitch about it in that way? Because Uruguay is at the very least an equally 'fake' nation as Haiti - essentially a British creation to act as a buffer between Brazil and Argentina and thus impeding the development and access to ports of the other two.

All nations are fake to some degree.

[Tooting Carmen]

All nations are fake to some degree.

True, but the arguments many Dominicans use against Haiti are harsh, evasive and based on double standards.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Exactly! ..

I have to be fair, though. It's a great place for guilty leftists who like to be carjacked (my friend), robbed (my dad), or work behind bulletproof glass (me).

[SilverKnight]

True, but the arguments many Dominicans use against Haiti are harsh, evasive and based on double standards.

Sometimes double standards are justified, in Haiti's case it is. It's an utter shithole that needs to be nuked out of existence or France has to come and take responsibility for the mess they left us.


I have to be fair, though. It's a great place for guilty leftists who like to be carjacked (my friend), robbed (my dad), or work behind bulletproof glass (me).

Yes I've noticed a growing trend in TA, a lot of self hating lefties who like to label whites as "evil". The same people you just described.

[Incal]

True, but the arguments many Dominicans use against Haiti are harsh, evasive and based on double standards.

Oh yeah, DR is no better than Haiti, it's just less fucked up.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Yes I've noticed a growing trend in TA, a lot of self hating lefties who like to label whites as "evil". The same people you just described.

I've seen YouTube clips of White leftist worms who literally grovel at the feet of hateful Black supremacists. They turn my stomach as much as the most rabid Klansman.

[Tooting Carmen]

Oh yeah, DR is no better than Haiti, it's just less fucked up.

Haitians may emigrate en masse to DR, but Dominicans themselves migrate en masse to Puerto Rico, USA, Canada, Spain... Remittances are probably almost as big a part of the Dominican economy as in the Haitian one.

[Andullero]

True, but the arguments many Dominicans use against Haiti are harsh, evasive and based on double standards.

I'm not averse to a Greater Santo Domingo solution to this island's binational issue, but you and other progs wouldnt like aspects of that program, since it involves forbudding their ever being elected to public posts, given their incapacity to govern themselves they have showed time and again in two centuries of existence. Also, a very aggressive one child policy would need to be enacted to curb their 6.1 average rate of children per family.

[Andullero]

Oh yeah, DR is no better than Haiti, it's just less fucked up.

The economic distance separating Haiti from DR is greater than the one between México and the US. Con esto te digo todo.

[Tooting Carmen]

I'm not averse to a Greater Santo Domingo solution to this island's binational issue, but you and other progs wouldnt like aspects of that program, since it involves forbudding their ever being elected to public posts, given their incapacity to govern themselves they have showed time and again in two centuries of existence. Also, a very aggressive one child policy would need to be enacted to curb their 6.1 average rate of children per family.

As I said to IberianAlex, it should be treated as no more of an abomination or an 'issue' than the existence of Uruguay, which really is a phony colonial creation that has hindered the economic development of its two big neighbours by reducing access to the Rio Plata region. And while by LATAM standards it may be a relative success now, during the 70's it had the world's highest number of political prisoners per capita and, during periods of economic hardship, has exported its citizens across to Brazil and Argentina just like Haiti does with the DR.

[Incal]

Haitians may emigrate en masse to DR, but Dominicans themselves migrate en masse to Puerto Rico, USA, Canada, Spain... Remittances are probably almost as big a part of the Dominican economy as in the Haitian one.

Indeed. Both are failed countries.

[axel.aleman]

Oh yeah, DR is no better than Haiti, it's just less fucked up.

República Dominicana no solo es mejor que Haití. También es mejor que el Perú. En RD no ha elegido a la izquierda todavía

[axel.aleman]

Indeed. Both are failed countries.

Bueno si República Dominicana es un país fallido que podemos decir del Perú

[Tooting Carmen]

The economic distance separating Haiti from DR is greater than the one between México and the US. Con esto te digo todo.

I certainly wouldn't go that far, unless by Mexico you specifically mean Monterrey, Cancun and Puerto Vallarta...

[Incal]

The economic distance separating Haiti from DR is greater than the one between México and the US. Con esto te digo todo.

Mierda.

[Andullero]

As I said to IberianAlex, it should be treated as no more of an abomination or an 'issue' than the existence of Uruguay, which really is a phony colonial creation that has hindered the economic development of its two big neighbours by reducing access to the Rio Plata region. And while by LATAM standards it may be a relative success now, during the 70's it had the world's highest number of political prisoners per capita and, during periods of economic hardship, has exported its citizens across to Brazil and Argentina just like Haiti does with the DR.

If we are going to coldly assess the matter by efficiency and relative success, then the Haitian state is the one that needs to be smashed, not the Domi one.

[axel.aleman]

I'm not averse to a Greater Santo Domingo solution to this island's binational issue, but you and other progs wouldnt like aspects of that program, since it involves forbudding their ever being elected to public posts, given their incapacity to govern themselves they have showed time and again in two centuries of existence. Also, a very aggressive one child policy would need to be enacted to curb their 6.1 average rate of children per family.

Hay que hacer una muralla mucho más grande que la china en toda la frontera Dominicana

[Andullero]

Mierda.

Cuando me recupere de Covid te voy a mandar el paper donde se demuestra ese asunto, no es simple caballá o fabricación mía.

[Tooting Carmen]

If we are going to coldly assess the matter by efficiency and relative success, then the Haitian state is the one that needs to be smashed, not the Domi one.

As a devout Catholic yourself, you should very much realise there is more to life than just money.

[Andullero]

As a devout Catholic yourself, you should very much realise there is more to life than just money.

I may be a Catholic, but I dont allow my religiom to get in the way of lucid geopolitical calculations. As far as politics go, I let Machiavelli and The Prince to do the talking instead of St. Paul and the apostles.

[Tooting Carmen]

Bueno si República Dominicana es un país fallido que podemos decir del Perú

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

DR ranks below not only Peru but also Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Panama, Costa Rica, Cuba (!), Mexico, Colombia, Brazil and Ecuador.

[SilverKnight]

Oh yeah, DR is no better than Haiti, it's just less fucked up.

lol dude DR is set to become one of the most important economies in LATAM by 2030, can't even compare... I think in the top 5 economies.
Make a trip to Santiago o la Capital and you will smell prosperity/ growth in the air.

[Tooting Carmen]

I may be a Catholic, but I dont allow my religiom to get in the way of lucid geopolitical calculations. As far as politics go, I let Machiavelli and The Prince to do the talking instead of St. Paul and the apostles.

Well Machiavelli would have approved of the likes of Duvalier and Aristide, ironically. xD

[Andullero]

Well Machiavelli would have approved of the likes of Duvalier and Aristide, ironically. xD

His favorite prince was Ferdinand the Catholic, and I happen to agree with his reasons regardless of the fact that the Taino got the short end of it.

[SilverKnight]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

DR ranks below not only Peru but also Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Panama, Costa Rica, Cuba (!), Mexico, Colombia, Brazil and Ecuador.


This is much accurate. DR with a way smaller population is reaching Peru's GDP
https://i.ibb.co/vYG2y2k/download.jpg (https://ibb.co/2NQXVXd)

In 2022 DR will be the 7th largest economy in LATAM.

[axel.aleman]

This is much accurate. DR with a way smaller population is reaching Peru's GDP
https://i.ibb.co/vYG2y2k/download.jpg (https://ibb.co/2NQXVXd)

In 2022 DR will be the 7th largest economy in LATAM.

Además la sociedad dominicana no ha elegido a la extrema izquierda todavía. El Perú ya la eligió

[Tooting Carmen]

This is much accurate. DR with a way smaller population is reaching Peru's GDP
https://i.ibb.co/vYG2y2k/download.jpg (https://ibb.co/2NQXVXd)

In 2022 DR will be the 7th largest economy in LATAM.

Perhaps so, but the reason why we have the HDI is because GDP isn't the only way to measure a society's prosperity: aspects like health, education, housing, nutrition, access to clean water and electricity etc. also have to be measured, and the DR is no more than downright average for LATAM standards.

[Andullero]

Además la sociedad dominicana no ha elegido a la extrema izquierda todavía. El Perú ya la eligió

Y no creo que lo vaya a hacer en el futuro inmediato. El ethos de este pueblo simplemente no es ameno a esas ideas, como la gente del movimiento guerrillero 14 de Junio descubrió en carne propia al intentar reproducir el foquismo cubano aquí.

[SilverKnight]

Perhaps so, but the reason why we have the HDI is because GDP isn't the only way to measure a society's prosperity: aspects like health, education, housing, nutrition, access to clean water and electricity etc. also have to be measured, and the DR is no more than downright average for LATAM standards.

Education maybe not the best, but the rest of the elements you mentioned all of that DR has. Plus the distribution of wealth is much higher then average in DR....
But oh well I basically proved to you that DR is not behind, and it's one of the fastest growing economies in LATAM. Period

[axel.aleman]

Y no creo que lo vaya a hacer en el futuro inmediato. El ethos de este pueblo simplemente no es ameno a esas ideas, como la gente del movimiento guerrillero 14 de Junio descubrió en carne propia al intentar reproducir el foquismo cubano aquí.

Tampoco el panameño, votará siempre a los partidos tradicionales de centro populista pero nunca a la izquierda extrema.

[Tooting Carmen]

Education maybe not the best, but the rest of the elements you mentioned all of that DR has. Plus the distribution of wealth is much higher then average in DR....
But oh well I basically proved to you that DR is not behind, and it's one of the fastest growing economies in LATAM. Period

Would you thus consider moving (back) there and in the process contibute to the US recuperating its ever-declining Whiteness and Anglo-Saxonness then? xD
N.B. Also, are you saying that DR has low or high income inequality?

[StonyArabia]

Well I am not in any real position to comment on Arab nationalism or unity, but some of what you propose sounds actually quite reasonable to me.

Yes. I am a nationalist who cares about his people well being first and foremost. I believe in Arabian nationalism that is around the Arabian peninsula. My type of nationalism rejects usurious capitalism and foreign interference in the region. To achieve this, all the imposed monarchs have to be overthrown or expelled.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes. I am a nationalist who cares about his people well being first and foremost. I believe in Arabian nationalism that is around the Arabian peninsula. My type of nationalism rejects usurious capitalism and foreign interference in the region. To achieve this, all the imposed monarchs have to be overthrown or expelled.

Well like Gadaffi in his earliest years, I too would support the complete nationalisation of oil and using the proceeds of it for public works and welfare. The first people to benefit from a country's natural resources should be those living in it, not remote multinationals. I also would be deeply suspicious about having anything like the number of foreign troops that e.g. Saudi Arabia has had since the Gulf War.

[Incal]

República Dominicana no solo es mejor que Haití. También es mejor que el Perú. En RD no ha elegido a la izquierda todavía

Realmente competir por quién es mejor en América Latina es algo patético ya que todos en mayor o menor medida estamos en la mierda. Si ustedes no están tan jodidos es porque son un protectorado yanki. Deberías colgar un poster de George Washington en tu habitación y todos los días rezarle un padrenuestro y dos avemarías cuando te levantes. Si no lo haces ya deberías empezar porque en esta vida hay que ser agradecido.

[Tooting Carmen]

Realmente competir por quién es mejor en América Latina es algo patético ya que todos en mayor o menor medida estamos en la mierda. Si ustedes no están tan jodidos es porque son un protectorado yanki. Deberías colgar un poster de George Washington en tu habitación y todos los días rezarle un padrenuestro y dos avemarías cuando te levantes. Si no lo haces ya deberías empezar porque en esta vida hay que ser agradecido.

Si y no. Si fijas en Centroamerica por ejemplo, CR y Panama son bien distintos de los paises a su norte.

[Incal]

Cuando me recupere de Covid te voy a mandar el paper donde se demuestra ese asunto, no es simple caballá o fabricación mía.

Espero que no te haya agarrado fuerte. Recupérate pronto mi bro.

[Smitty]

It is inarguable that the vast majority of white Americans (and non-whites here, as well) would not see SilverKnight as quintessentially American. Whether or not they/we are racist, there is an all-American stereotype, and a "white" Dominican ain't it. You would have to be as consciously devoted to civic nationalism as many on TA are to ethnic/racial nationalism to look at the guy and say, "Gee, that guy's American as apple pie." And while most American conservatives live as civic nationalists and give lip service to that ideology, there is still an element of racial awareness that runs beneath the surface, albeit much more pronounced in the Baby Boomer generation and up. Conservatives don't like Hispanic areas and hearing/seeing Spanish everywhere, even if there is one Hispanic who loves Trump more than they do.

[Tooting Carmen]

It is inarguable that the vast majority of white Americans (and non-whites here, as well) would not see SilverKnight as quintessentially American. Whether or not they/we are racist, there is an all-American stereotype, and a "white" Dominican ain't it. You would have to be as consciously devoted to civic nationalism as many on TA are to ethnic/racial nationalism to look at the guy and say, "Gee, that guy's American as apple pie." And while most American conservatives live as civic nationalists and give lip service to that ideology, there is still an element of racial awareness that runs beneath the surface, albeit much more pronounced in the Baby Boomer generation and up. Conservatives don't like Hispanic areas and hearing/seeing Spanish everywhere, even if there is one Hispanic who loves Trump more than they do.

Just as a side note: even most Dominicans themselves wouldn't see him as White. Like I said to him, he takes an ironically very postmodernist attitude towards race for a self-confessed extreme right-winger.

[axel.aleman]

Realmente competir por quién es mejor en América Latina es algo patético ya que todos en mayor o menor medida estamos en la mierda. Si ustedes no están tan jodidos es porque son un protectorado yanki. Deberías colgar un poster de George Washington en tu habitación y todos los días rezarle un padrenuestro y dos avemarías cuando te levantes. Si no lo haces ya deberías empezar porque en esta vida hay que ser agradecido.

Te toque una fibra sensible peruca, cuanto lo siento. Beberé tus lágrimas al estilo de Eric Cartman. Solo le rezo a Jesuscristo. Si dejaras de tener complejo por ser peruca y latino me tomaría la molestia de explicarte porque la influencia anglo tuvo luces y sombras. Pero de seguro deseas que EEUU tomo Perú como protectorado y tienes envidia

[Andullero]

Espero que no te haya agarrado fuerte. Recupérate pronto mi bro.

Gracias, camarada. De hecho, el año nuevo me entró ardiendo en fiebre, y ahora mismo estoy en un estado intermedio entre fiebre o no, algo así como lo que los Anglos llaman "consumption", caracterizado por una congestión en los pulmones. Pienso que esta es la variante Omicron.

[Incal]

Si y no. Si fijas en Centroamerica por ejemplo, CR y Panama son bien distintos de los paises a su norte.

Panamá es todo lo que es única y exclusivamente por su canal. Sin eso sería una Nicaragua más. El único caso notable es Costa Rica que es lo que es por su gente. Un caso muy interesante es el de El Salvador, cuyo presidente está realmente decidido a sacar ese país del subdesarrollo pero los gringos no lo quieren dejar. Espero que no se lo vayan a bajar.

[Tooting Carmen]

Panamá es todo lo que es única y exclusivamente por su canal. Sin eso sería una Nicaragua más. El único caso notable es Costa Rica que es lo que es por su gente. Un caso muy interesante es el de El Salvador, cuyo presidente está realmente decidido a sacar ese país del subdesarrollo pero los gringos no lo quieren dejar. Espero que no se lo vayan a bajar.

La unica manera para solucionar El Salvador - donde estoy seguro que, per capita, ha tenido mas emigracion durante la ultima decada que incluso Venezuela - es matar/incarcerar a todos los maristas una vez por todos.

[axel.aleman]

Just as a side note: even most Dominicans themselves wouldn't see him as White. Like I said to him, he takes an ironically very postmodernist attitude towards race for a self-confessed extreme right-winger.

Yo no lo considero blanco, obviamente tampoco negro. Sino lo que es: mulato

[Incal]

Gracias, camarada. De hecho, el año nuevo me entró ardiendo en fiebre, y ahora mismo estoy en un estado intermedio entre fiebre o no, algo así como lo que los Anglos llaman "consumption", caracterizado por una congestión en los pulmones. Pienso que esta es la variante Omicron.

Mierkina! O sea que ha sido ahorita! Dicen que lo bueno de la Omicron es que no te pega tan fuerte. Mejórate pronto.

[axel.aleman]

La unica manera para solucionar El Salvador - donde estoy seguro que, per capita, ha tenido mas emigracion durante la ultima decada que incluso Venezuela - es matar/incarcerar a todos los maristas una vez por todos.

Al fin estoy de acuerdo totalmente contigo

[Andullero]

It is inarguable that the vast majority of white Americans (and non-whites here, as well) would not see SilverKnight as quintessentially American. Whether or not they/we are racist, there is an all-American stereotype, and a "white" Dominican ain't it. You would have to be as consciously devoted to civic nationalism as many on TA are to ethnic/racial nationalism to look at the guy and say, "Gee, that guy's American as apple pie." And while most American conservatives live as civic nationalists and give lip service to that ideology, there is still an element of racial awareness that runs beneath the surface, albeit much more pronounced in the Baby Boomer generation and up. Conservatives don't like Hispanic areas and hearing/seeing Spanish everywhere, even if there is one Hispanic who loves Trump more than they do.

Civic nationalism is hard to avoid when one is young and naive, but one eventually gets over it as soon as one realizes the intractable problems that come with different nations living under the same roof. Inevitably, one of them would need to impose itself over the others and rule with an rion fist in order for the building not to come crashing down otherwise.

[Incal]

Te toque una fibra sensible peruca, cuanto lo siento. Beberé tus lágrimas al estilo de Eric Cartman. Solo le rezo a Jesuscristo. Si dejaras de tener complejo por ser peruca y latino me tomaría la molestia de explicarte porque la influencia anglo tuvo luces y sombras. Pero de seguro deseas que EEUU tomo Perú como protectorado y tienes envidia

Pues deberías rezarle al tío Sam porque ese ha hecho más por ti de lo que Jesucristo hará en toda tu vida. La verdad preferiría ser protectorado de una nación Europea o un tigre asiático: Holanda o Singapur por ejemplo.

[axel.aleman]

Panamá es todo lo que es única y exclusivamente por su canal. Sin eso sería una Nicaragua más. El único caso notable es Costa Rica que es lo que es por su gente. Un caso muy interesante es el de El Salvador, cuyo presidente está realmente decidido a sacar ese país del subdesarrollo pero los gringos no lo quieren dejar. Espero que no se lo vayan a bajar.

Al menos no votamos masivamente por la extrema izquierda, si el electorado de Perú fuera panameño Fujimori gana en primera vuelta como buena populista pero no izquierdista

[Andullero]

Panamá es todo lo que es única y exclusivamente por su canal. Sin eso sería una Nicaragua más. El único caso notable es Costa Rica que es lo que es por su gente. Un caso muy interesante es el de El Salvador, cuyo presidente está realmente decidido a sacar ese país del subdesarrollo pero los gringos no lo quieren dejar. Espero que no se lo vayan a bajar.

Bukele eventualmente tendrá que abrogarse poderes dictatoriales y hacer un "chapeo bajito" del criollaje allí. De otra manera veo un golpe de estado contra él en ciernes.

[PhenotypeMaster]

Man turned this thread into a 'The Apricity - Regional' Latin America thread. :lol::lol::lol:

[Incal]

La unica manera para solucionar El Salvador - donde estoy seguro que, per capita, ha tenido mas emigracion durante la ultima decada que incluso Venezuela - es matar/incarcerar a todos los maristas una vez por todos.

Sí, ese sería el paso más importante. Pero si lo hacen seguramente USA invade.



Al menos no votamos masivamente por la extrema izquierda, si el electorado de Perú fuera panameño Fujimori gana en primera vuelta como buena populista pero no izquierdista

Obvio porque sino los gringos los invaden como pasó con el gran Noriega.

[StonyArabia]

What a shame that a dignified proud Southerner Arabian nationalist can't find a proud dignified south Arabian desert country to live in proudly and call it home, but instead choses to live in an infidel corrupt colonial western land!!!!.

The dignified southern Bedouins had turned some of the most civilized & fertile northern lands into uncivilized empty deserts just like their original land while complaining about how colonial are others.
I am sure that the imperialist western countries did not kidnap and take you by force to the west. You are free to return to your ancestral southern deserts without hurting anyone's feelings.

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[axel.aleman]

El Perú tiene recursos naturales más valiosos y más fáciles que explotar que el canal de Panamá y es más pobre. Ya quisiera que Panamá tuviera las reservas de Oro y de Plata del Perú.

Además mi país si puede mejorar, importando dos millones de mulatos dominicanos y cubanos. Subiendo un poco el euro y diluyendo el nativo. El Perú siempre será indígena

[Incal]

Bukele eventualmente tendrá que abrogarse poderes dictatoriales y hacer un "chapeo bajito" del criollaje allí. De otra manera veo un golpe de estado contra él en ciernes.

Tal cual. Sino los delincuentes de la oposición se lo van a comer, aparte que están respaldados por los gringos.

[Incal]

Man turned this thread into a 'The Apricity - Regional' Latin America thread. :lol::lol::lol:

That's the good thing about us TA spics, our off-topics turn troll threads into something decent.

[Incal]

El Perú tiene recursos naturales más valiosos y más fáciles que explotar que el canal de Panamá y es más pobre. Ya quisiera que Panamá tuviera las reservas de Oro y de Plata del Perú.

Es porque un país lo hace su gente, no los recursos. A ustedes les va bien porque los gringos se encargan de todo, el día que se inventen otro canal ustedes se convierten en una Nicaragua negra.




Además mi país si puede mejorar, importando dos millones de mulatos dominicanos y cubanos. Subiendo un poco el euro y diluyendo el nativo. El Perú siempre será indígena

Mientras los gringos no se vayan todo bien.

[axel.aleman]

Que rica saben las lágrimas de Incal

[Andullero]

El Perú tiene recursos naturales más valiosos y más fáciles que explotar que el canal de Panamá y es más pobre. Ya quisiera que Panamá tuviera las reservas de Oro y de Plata del Perú.



Y tierra, mucha tierra. Los mapas engañan en la escala visual, pero una buena parte de los paises suramericanos pasa del 1,000,000 de kms., y con una densidad de pobladores por km2 más que ideal. Lo único que todos estos países al sur del Río Grande esperan es un liderazgo que realmente les duela sus patrias, en vez de aspirar a ser elegido para robar lo suficiente para irse a un exilio dorado Yanqui o Euro.

[Tooting Carmen]

Y tierra, mucha tierra. Los mapas engañan en la escala visual, pero una buena parte de los paises suramericanos pasa del 1,000,000 de kms., y con una densidad de pobladores por km2 más que ideal. Lo único que todos estos países al sur del Río Grande esperan es un liderazgo que realmente les duela sus patrias, en vez de aspirar a ser elegido para robar lo suficiente para irse a un exilio dorado Yanqui o Euro.

Jose Figueres, Jorge Gaitan y Jacobo Arbenz te suenan? :D

[Andullero]

Jose Figueres, Jorge Gaitan y Jacobo Arbenz te suenan? :D

Si, así como el peruano Víctor Raúl Haya de la Torre. Una pena que el APRA que fundó no haya estado a la altura de las circunstancias.

[axel.aleman]

Y tierra, mucha tierra. Los mapas engañan en la escala visual, pero una buena parte de los paises suramericanos pasa del 1,000,000 de kms., y con una densidad de pobladores por km2 más que ideal. Lo único que todos estos países al sur del Río Grande esperan es un liderazgo que realmente les duela sus patrias, en vez de aspirar a ser elegido para robar lo suficiente para irse a un exilio dorado Yanqui o Euro.

Lo digo porque Incal cree que la única fuente de riqueza es el canal de Panamá y no se fija en la red logística, comercial y el centro financiero más los impuestos relativamente bajos que permiten crear riqueza y buenas condiciones de vida.
Si el bootlicker de los ticos por ser bastante euro le tengo una mala noticia: Panamá a pesar de todo es más euro que Perú y tendría que ser bootlicker mio

[Tooting Carmen]

Lo digo porque Incal cree que la única fuente de riqueza es el canal de Panamá y no se fija en la red logística, comercial y el centro financiero más los impuestos relativamente bajos que permiten crear riqueza y buenas condiciones de vida.
Si el bootlicker de los ticos por ser bastante euro le tengo una mala noticia: Panamá a pesar de todo es más euro que Perú y tendría que ser bootlicker mio

CR es predominadamente Mestizo, no Euro - es mucho mas Bogota que Buenos Aires. Pero ha tenido una historia muy particular, sobretodo desde que Figueres tomo poder, abolio el ejercito y llevo reformas sociales muy importantes, y su legado sigue de cierta manera.

[Andullero]

Jose Figueres, Jorge Gaitan y Jacobo Arbenz te suenan? :D

By the way, curious tidbit. Joaquín Balaguer and Fidel Castro were both in Bogotá when the assassination against Gaitan happened, and the subsequent rioting and general violence. Bala as Domi ambassador to Colombia, and Fidel as an exchange student, who also partook in the rioting.

[Incal]

Y tierra, mucha tierra. Los mapas engañan en la escala visual, pero una buena parte de los paises suramericanos pasa del 1,000,000 de kms., y con una densidad de pobladores por km2 más que ideal. Lo único que todos estos países al sur del Río Grande esperan es un liderazgo que realmente les duela sus patrias, en vez de aspirar a ser elegido para robar lo suficiente para irse a un exilio dorado Yanqui o Euro.

El problema del territorio peruano es su geografía accidentada. La ganadería o el cultivo no son fáciles con los andes metidos en el medio.

[Tooting Carmen]

By the way, curious tidbit. Joaquín Balaguer and Fidel Castro were both in Bogotá when the assassination against Gaitan happened, and the subsequent rioting and general violence. Bala as Domi ambassador to Colombia, and Fidel as an exchange student, who also partook in the rioting.

I have visited Gaitan's house in Bogota - rarely have I been so moved to tears. He was no communist, he just wanted to carry out perfectly legitimate (and in many parts of the world normal) social programmes. As far as I am concerned, his killing led not only to his own death and those who died in the riots and La Violencia, but essentially the death of the Colombian nation itself.

[Incal]

Lo digo porque Incal cree que la única fuente de riqueza es el canal de Panamá y no se fija en la red logística, comercial y el centro financiero más los impuestos relativamente bajos que permiten crear riqueza y buenas condiciones de vida.
Si el bootlicker de los ticos por ser bastante euro le tengo una mala noticia: Panamá a pesar de todo es más euro que Perú y tendría que ser bootlicker mio

Todo gracias a los gringos y subordinado al canal. Se van los gringos y sonaste. Y en el fondo lo sabes. No sé porque estás desperdiciando ancho de banda para refutar lo irrefutable.

[Tooting Carmen]

El problema del territorio peruano es su geografía accidentada. La ganadería o el cultivo no son fáciles con los andes metidos en el medio.

Same problem we have even here in Wales - it is too mountainous for the sort of large-scale commercial arable farming found in East Anglia. Sheep and cow farming are ultimately nowhere near as lucrative or productive.

[StonyArabia]

Well like Gadaffi in his earliest years, I too would support the complete nationalisation of oil and using the proceeds of it for public works and welfare. The first people to benefit from a country's natural resources should be those living in it, not remote multinationals. I also would be deeply suspicious about having anything like the number of foreign troops that e.g. Saudi Arabia has had since the Gulf War.

Exactly. I believe that Arabian oil is for Arabian nationals. The profits of the oil and other materials are for the people. Yep these foreign troops don’t belong there, and I believe they should be expelled. They are there to prevent unity abd our strength in the guise of protection but they are only protecting the clowns they imposed upon us. Saudi Arabia monarchs are puppets there are exceptions, and the rest of the gulf region. Once they are overthrown or expelled things will improve. I believe in also sizing the property and financial assets of the puppet monarchs, and giving it to the people. I think they should go to London or Washington. It will be on our terms not the Iranian, Chinese, British, Russian or Europeans. I want true independence and prosperity for my people. Anything that has to do with usury will be out right banned. This will assure the Renaissance many of us want.

[Andullero]

Same problem we have even here in Wales - it is too mountainous for the sort of large-scale commercial arable farming found in East Anglia. Sheep and cow farming are ultimately nowhere near as lucrative or productive.

Somehow the French got around that problem in their 1/4th of island here. Thing is, it took a lot of expensive (governmental) investment in irrigation works. A similar matter would have been impossible to implement in Jamaica due to how laissez fairist was the economic arrangement there.

[SilverKnight]

That's the good thing about us TA spics, our off-topics turn troll threads into something decent.

:lol::lol::lol:

[chinshen]

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[Hasien]

República Dominicana no solo es mejor que Haití. También es mejor que el Perú. En RD no ha elegido a la izquierda todavía

Speak English! this isn't the latin American section, you obviously know English you inporpuse do this and I'm sure people get annoyed by this.

[SilverKnight]

I agree with him on that point. We need to respect the non spanish speakers over here.

[StonyArabia]

111778

The Western regions kept their head high and fought the American and coalition forces and made it clear unwelcome. That’s what true nationalism is. We kept our independence, even with these puppet imposed clowns who are far more prostitutes than even the gulf monarchs. No one really care about the post 2003 clowns in Iraq. Plus we real nationalists are not only concerned with Iraq but rather all of the Arabian peninsula. Not to mention many of us see Kuwait more valuable than northern Iraq. I would gladly trade northern Iraq for Kuwait, the only issue we have some historical footprints via the kingdom of Araba, Tayy, Banu Aqulye, Taghlib.

[Borealis]

The Western regions kept their head high and fought the American and coalition forces and made it clear unwelcome. That’s what true nationalism is. We kept our independence, even with these puppet imposed clowns who are far more prostitutes than even the gulf monarchs. No one really care about the post 2003 clowns in Iraq. Plus we real nationalists are not only concerned with Iraq but rather all of the Arabian peninsula. Not to mention many of us see Kuwait more valuable than northern Iraq. I would gladly trade northern Iraq for Kuwait, the only issue we have some historical footprints via the kingdom of Araba, Tayy, Banu Aqulye, Taghlib.

That Kuwait even exists is a disgrace to the world, it should be part of Iraq or Saudi Arabia. Ahwaz should be part of Iraq too.

[chinshen]

The Western regions kept their head high and fought the American and coalition forces and made it clear unwelcome. That’s what true nationalism is. We kept our independence, even with these puppet imposed clowns who are far more prostitutes than even the gulf monarchs. No one really care about the post 2003 clowns in Iraq. Plus we real nationalists are not only concerned with Iraq but rather all of the Arabian peninsula. Not to mention many of us see Kuwait more valuable than northern Iraq. I would gladly trade northern Iraq for Kuwait, the only issue we have some historical footprints via the kingdom of Araba, Tayy, Banu Aqulye, Taghlib.

The problem is that even your brethren in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arabian Peninsular don't even like you and don't want anything to have to do with you.
Northern Iraq is just a small part of historical Northern Mesopotamia and is not yours to give away, if anything you are just unwanted intruders there.

[StonyArabia]

The problem is that even your brethren in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arabian Peninsular don't even like you and don't want anything to have to do with you.
Northern Iraq is just a small part of historical Northern Mesopotamia and is not yours to give away, if anything you are just unwanted intruders there.

Assyrian please? One time you are Aramaics and Syriacs ect identity crisis. Not the people but the colonial imposed clowns sure. It’s because they don’t want to lose their power nothing more and nothing less. I am showing you, that I don’t really care for northern Iraq, yes I would trade it for Kuwait which is more valuable. Kuwait is a port which is very important for trade, is richer in oil than northern Iraq. Northern Iraq has many ethnic groups, and yours are minority, as Turkmens and Kurds are the largest groups. I honestly don’t care if Assyrians, Kurds or Turkmens duke it out. Though I would protect the Arab and Bedouin groups.

[Babak]

It is inarguable that the vast majority of white Americans (and non-whites here, as well) would not see SilverKnight as quintessentially American. Whether or not they/we are racist, there is an all-American stereotype, and a "white" Dominican ain't it. You would have to be as consciously devoted to civic nationalism as many on TA are to ethnic/racial nationalism to look at the guy and say, "Gee, that guy's American as apple pie." And while most American conservatives live as civic nationalists and give lip service to that ideology, there is still an element of racial awareness that runs beneath the surface, albeit much more pronounced in the Baby Boomer generation and up. Conservatives don't like Hispanic areas and hearing/seeing Spanish everywhere, even if there is one Hispanic who loves Trump more than they do.

Are you sure about that bro? It seems to me that southern states, such as Texas for example, seem to be unifying despite ethnic identity. Its probably due to the rise in patriotism and mutual hatred for vaccine mandates. In fact, im starting to see it here in WA too, which I personally support. No unity=disenigration of the U.S+weakening of national identity. I also support English being the official language with spanish being a recognized language.

[Ezio Auditore]

I think the term white is far too speculative to have any validity... what I mean is it's too much subjective terminology to be taken seriously. Some use it to mean anyone of the full identified European heritage without even looking face-value at phenotype etc, others don't give a fuck about heritage, or genetics and just look face-value at phenotype to categorize. Mostly it relates to skin color which is funny and ironic bc indigenous Europeans were quite dark, dark (very dark) naturally and we know from SNP data from WHG and other past groups before other groups came in and killed those people off. Hell lol, even relatively modern northern euros had significantly higher rates of black, brown hair than today and slightly darker skin, but that's a whole other discussion to be had! And we won't even get started on facial features bc that's complexity beyond comprehension. We know there are genealogical typical people of certain ethnicities that look completely exotic by societal standards so this is pointless. So to put it simply, two opposite pictures for a term used to describe a large variety of people of different heritages. This is exactly why it gets thrown into the pseudoscience bs pile for me.

Now, let's look a bit deeper. So we identified white is a subjective terminology bc of the polarity of meaning and usage between people. Now, let's delve into ancient genetics. We know most Europeans are composed of EEF, Yamanaya, WHG, and some other large-wave migratory groups. Now before going ahead, answer this question; are Anatolians white to you? If you answered no (which probably many of you did), then congratulations you've just debunked the argument of white purity. Every European group has some level of EEF, early European farmer ancestry coming straight outta Anatolia. These peoples are strongly associated with black/brown hair, and brown eyes and displaced the WHG population, they were also responsible for stone henge in what is now Britain. They were lighter than WHG but lacked much of the former's blue eye alleles which many subconsciously, or consciously associate with purity when it comes to "white" genetics lol, and that group was replaced eventually by Yamnaya from the steppe (mainly r1b, but also had r1a, and even solemnly assimilated i1). These people definitely were far lighter and are responsible for the light appearance of most European people, especially north, because that's where the concentration reaches very high levels compared to the south. Then we got other small categories like Iran neolithic and deeper middle eastern farmer groups outside of the anatolians, and then also more asiatic groups as well, not even to mention taforalt (found in Portugal, and mostly central-western spain north to south), and small levels of SSA in some (which would be found in everyone just it depends how far back you look) which is more equivocally non-white by modern standards by most people on this site, and this is found in most individuals all throughout Europe as well. The point is we are all mixed bags of many traveling, assimilating, or invading groups and to classify white is to classify those groups as well, and many of those weren't close to indigenous to europe's modern landscape at all.

-so to answer your question OP, they aren't only coping... they are focusing on an irrelevant made up categorization to feel part of a community they perceive as high-status. Little do they know it's a complete waste of time to be trying to feel white when white isn't even a real thing.

[Babak]

Assyrian please? One time you are Aramaics and Syriacs ect identity crisis. Not the people but the colonial imposed clowns sure. It’s because they don’t want to lose their power nothing more and nothing less. I am showing you, that I don’t really care for northern Iraq, yes I would trade it for Kuwait which is more valuable. Kuwait is a port which is very important for trade, is richer in oil than northern Iraq. Northern Iraq has many ethnic groups, and yours are minority, as Turkmens and Kurds are the largest groups. I honestly don’t care if Assyrians, Kurds or Turkmens duke it out. Though I would protect the Arab and Bedouin groups.

Why would you want them to "duke it out"? The Iraqi arab population is already interwined with the rest of the existing Iraqi populace. You are literally calling for the complete destruction of Iraq and its core national identity ffs. So yes, you should care about northern iraq, otherwise, Iraqi arabs(Sunni and shia) would turn against themselves, which has already happened before. You want history to repeat itself or keep the national identity intact? I really dont understand your nationalism. What you are promoting is war, selfishness, arrogance, and genocide. Iraq would turn into ashes if it tries take land and hurt its own citizens, especially the state that it currently is in.

As for kuwait and ahwaz, forget it.

[Italicus]

I think the term white is far too speculative to have any validity... what I mean is it's too much subjective terminology to be taken seriously anymore. Some use it to mean anyone of the full identified European heritage without even looking face-value at phenotype etc, others don't give a fuck about heritage, or genetics and just look face-value at phenotype to categorize. Mostly it relates to skin color which is funny and ironic bc indigenous Europeans were quite dark, dark (very dark) naturally and we know from SNP data from WHG and other past groups before other groups came in and killed those people off. Hell lol, even relatively modern northern euros had significantly higher rates of black, brown hair than today and slightly darker skin, but that's a whole other discussion to be had! And we won't even get started on facial features bc that's complexity beyond comprehension. We know there are genealogical typical people of certain ethnicities that look completely exotic by societal standards so this is pointless. So to put it simply, two opposite pictures for a term used to describe a large variety of people of different heritages. This is exactly why it gets thrown into the pseudoscience bs pile for me.

Now, let's look a bit deeper. So we identified white is a subjective terminology bc of the polarity of meaning and usage between people. Now, let's delve into ancient genetics. We know most Europeans are composed of EEF, Yamanaya, WHG, and some other large-wave migratory groups. Now before going ahead, answer this question; are Anatolians white to you? If you answered no (which probably many of you did), then congratulations you've just debunked the argument of white purity. Every European group has some level of EEF, early European farmer ancestry coming straight outta Anatolia. These peoples are strongly associated with black/brown hair, and brown eyes and displaced the WHG population, they were also responsible for stone henge in what is now Britain. They were lighter than WHG but lacked much of the former's blue eye alleles which many subconsciously, or consciously associate with purity when it comes to "white" genetics lol, and that group was replaced eventually by Yamnaya from the steppe (mainly r1b, but also had r1a, and even solemnly assimilated i1). These people definitely were far lighter and are responsible for the light appearance of most European people, especially north, because that's where the concentration reaches very high levels compared to the south. Then we got other small categories like Iran neolithic and deeper middle eastern farmer groups outside of the anatolians, and then also more asiatic groups as well, not even to mention taforalt (found in Portugal, and mostly central-western spain north to south), and small levels of SSA in some (which would be found in everyone just it depends how far back you look) which is more equivocally non-white by modern standards by most people on this site, and this is found in most individuals all throughout Europe as well. The point is we are all mixed bags of many traveling, assimilating, or invading groups and to classify white is to classify those groups as well, and many of those weren't close to indigenous to europe's modern landscape at all.

Ancient Anatolians were different from modern Anatolians though. Sardinians, the purest EEF people there are today, are white. Hell, many Anatolian Turks look straight up Euro.

[Ezio Auditore]

Ancient Anatolians were different from modern Anatolians though. Sardinians, the purest EEF people there are today, are white. Hell, many Anatolian Turks look straight up Euro.

There are many exotic Sardinians who wouldn't be considered white by the Anglo-biased terminology of white which is present in the US. I use this particular standard because lets be honest many people on this site, know it or not, heavily see through this lens. And the "exoticness" to the standard is way more than most other European countries actually... they tended to have lighter skin than whg... but whg were practically black in skin color with a high incidents of blue eyes, so we are talking olive, beige tones, with the occasional lighter pale... But this is all speculative, moreso proving my point further because how do we define "white" there are so many different subjective definitions for certain people. Now, ancient anatolians being different from modern is inevitable, but that group had deeper middle eastern farming groups going all the way farther down away from Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent and I'm sure these mfs don't look like modern southern euros lol, they defo were swarthier.. modern southern euros have sizeable blood from indo-euro invasions by steppe people which probably skewed everything significantly. Even in sardinia studies show they get around 14.3% northern European components relative to modern groups... which can easily affect phenotype on a large-scale. And so probably the reason u see some exotic people in a lot of Europe, (and i say exotic with a very free-hand), is probably bc of EEF, not from steppe, or whg influences. And this is because the bulk of Europe has a lot of steppe ancestry and that is what changed europe's phenotype drastically in the modern era... and I guess to this day white is mostly talking about these ancient people present in all of us to varying degrees. THis is my own speculation tho. Overall, the point I'm making is that even these ancient Anatolians were mixes of other previous ancient admixtures from other groups, so I find it incredibly hard to believe they were "white" by many standards people have today.

[Italicus]

There are many exotic Sardinians who wouldn't be considered white by the Anglo-biased terminology of white which is present in the US. I use this particular standard because lets be honest many people on this site, know it or not, heavily see through this lens. And the "exoticness" to the standard is way more than most other European countries actually... they tended to have lighter skin than whg... but whg were practically black, so we are talking olive, beige tones, with the occasional lighter pale... But this is all speculative, moreso proving my point further because how do we define "white" there are so many different subjective definitions for certain people. Now, ancient anatolians being different from modern is inevitable, but that group had deeper middle eastern farming groups going all the way farther down away from Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent and I'm sure these mfs don't look like modern southern euros lol, they defo were swarthier.. modern southern euros have sizeable indo-euro invasions by steppe people which probably skewed everything significantly. The point I'm making is that even these ancient anatolians were mixes of other previous ancient admixtures from other groups, so I find it incredibly hard to believe they were "white" by standards people have.

Sardinians are pure Early European Farmer, a mix of Natufian and WHG. WHG was not black, they had tanned skin most likely, that skin color reconstruction was complete propaganda. All three components of EEF, WHG and ANE were essentially white European. I don't have much steppe ancestry or WHG at all, but I have a crap ton of EEF and I still look white. Not Nordic white, but Mediterranean white. This whole Nordicism thing is just a bunch of bullshit, native European means EEF+WHG+ANE.

[Ezio Auditore]

Sardinians are pure Early European Farmer, a mix of Natufian and WHG. WHG was not black, they had tanned skin most likely, that skin color reconstruction was complete propaganda. All three components of EEF, WHG and ANE were essentially white European. I don't have much steppe ancestry or WHG at all, but I have a crap ton of EEF and I still look white. Not Nordic white, but Mediterranean white. This whole Nordicism thing is just a bunch of bullshit, native European means EEF+WHG+ANE.

And see dude? We are barely arguing at all i actually agree with you in fact. The thing is you are white by your standard of what you consider white. But someone else might have a standard that doesn't include you... and this is what nazis did with racial classifications with anthropological pseudostudies. They saw groups below them as non-pure and not as white etc. it's all speculative and quite frankly many keep the anglo-nazi(Esque)- lens of white as being of anglo, germanic, nordic heritage for the most part. Now my issue is that there are people with your exact heritage, with very little steppe, and loads of eef, some whg, and will be dark olive, even possibly darker, and there are plenty of examples in which others (people already in the white group, probably highly "white"- germanic, etc.) may throw some others out of the white category. Why tho??? Perhaps they are the same genetic composition as you but you're considered white and they are not? See, this is why I can't stand the term "White" bc in essence it's used to categorize people into boxes based on color, but some people who fit the mold in heritage and history get left out and that's not right. Phenotype is far too complex beyond autosomal DNA, and this is why I think the term white which assumes a talk about a pseudo-topic is pointless. It just leads into a never-ending black hole arguing something that is far too subjective without an objective, universal definition

[Italicus]

And see dude? We are barely arguing at all i actually agree with you in fact. The thing is you are white by your standard of what you consider white. But someone else might have a standard that doesn't include you... and this is what nazi's did with racial classifications with anthropological pseudostudies. They saw groups below them as non-pure and not as white etc. it's all speculative and quite frankly many keep the anglo-nazi(esque)- lens of white as being of anglo, germanic, nordic heritage for the most part. Now my issue is that there are people with your exact heritage, with very little steppe, and loads of eef, some whg, and will be dark olive, even possibly darker, and there are plenty of examples. Phenotype is complex and this is why I think the term white which assumes a talk about a pseudo-topic is pointless. It just leads into a never ending black hole arguing something that is far too subjective without an objective, universal definition

I'm curious, are you Italian and Spanish? Do you speak either languages? Because we could converse in Italian or Spanish if you do speak either or for shits and giggles :) And I understand what you mean. Nordicists have quite some nerve when they were gifted civilization by people of Mediterranean descent, a lot of them act uppity.

[Ezio Auditore]

I'm curious, are you Italian and Spanish? Do you speak either languages? Because we could converse in Italian or Spanish if you do speak either or for shits and giggles :)

well I'm going to bed now, but i can speak a good amount of Spanish, i am going to start to learn Italian soon tho. Good night for now.

[StonyArabia]

Why would you want them to "duke it out"?

If they want to fight among themselves that is. Since all of them claim to be the rightful heirs of the northern regions. They say way worse stuff about us especially the ASS-Aryans.


The Iraqi arab population is already interwined with the rest of the existing Iraqi populace. You are literally calling for the complete destruction of Iraq and its core national identity ffs. So yes, you should care about northern iraq, otherwise, Iraqi arabs(Sunni and shia) would turn against themselves, which has already happened before.

Yes and no, this due to the regions that the Iraqi Arabs are in. I was just stating to the ASS-Aryan how I feel about northern Iraq, and how it’s useless and no benefit to us. Kuwait is more valuable due to being a port and oil rich area, plus the people are more related to us than northern Iraqi groups. Since he keeps whining and showing hostility to us. Though it’s not ASS-Aryans but the other groups who are hostile to us but less so because they are Muslim. As for the sectarian division it’s complex process and the people that participated in them are bunch of low dung animals, they know it. If Iraq survives but it does not then, it will be reborn a knew. Though I advocate unification of all the Arabian peninsula.


You want history to repeat itself or keep the national identity intact? I really dont understand your nationalism.

I definitely don’t want history to repeat itself. My brand of nationalism is loving your people first and foremost and honoring your ancestors. My nationalism is more ethno-nationalist rather than a civic nationalist. I don’t care about sectarian differences, this should be banned and many agree with me. It means we see all Arabian tribes as one blood and this transcends the borders and the crowned clowns imposed by the colonial rulers such as the British and Americans. We reject any foreign intervention be it Chinese, Russian, Iranian or European. Basically looking for real and true independence. This why many of us don’t feel a commonality with an Assyrian, Kurd or Turkmen despite being from Iraq. Many of us feel closer to Jordanians and people of the Arabian peninsula.


What you are promoting is war, selfishness, arrogance, and genocide.

Definitely not. As nationalists we respect other ethnic groups and races, my particular type of nationalism is about liberation and freedom. It advocates the removal of the colonial imposed monarchs from the Arabian peninsula, and the removal of foreign troops from the gulf. As well unity with Arabian blooded people regardless of borders. We respect the brotherhood of mankind, and we oppose genocide of anyone. We also respect other religions and sects. Since we are ethnic nationalists first and foremost. Though did I mean the comments to the Ass-Aryan not really. I don’t oppose minorities in the region as long as they respect our culture and ways no problem. However our type of nationalism is very ethnic and Arabian based and centred on the Arabian peninsula, and we also oppose usurious capitalism. Hence some regions of Iraq might break away, this does not mean we don’t care about it, but we are a minority there actually especially us Bedouins. Thus we have no political power. I also believe once the Gulf monarchs are overthrown they are to be deposed in humane and peaceful way to Washington and London.


Iraq would turn into ashes if it tries take land and hurt its own citizens, especially the state that it currently is in.

Of course it would. Though any country in the Arabian peninsula should start the unification process but the clowns need to be removed first. Iraq is a very destroyed nation and I will be honest and dare say it longer has a national identity. Each region of Iraq wants to be its own state. In the North Assyrians want an independent state, the Kurds want an independent state, and even the Turkmens independent state with their names Assyria, Kurdistan, Turkmenali. Even us the western Iraqi Bedouins at one point wanted independent state but this was the tribal leaders thought in gaining more power. Though they have stepped aside this, and many have more of unofficial ethnonationalist stance with a focus on the Arabian peninsula. Iraqi Shia Arabs are divided into those who are religious nationalists often advocating pan-Shiaism and significant and growing portion among them are becoming ethnobationalist again focusing on Arabian unity. This differs from the traditional pan-Arabism that includes the Levant, Egypt or North Africa.



As for kuwait and ahwaz, forget it.

Kuwait is ours, the British nor the Americans had a right to severe it from us. As the other poster said it’s a disgrace and ruled by puppet clowns. It will be united one of these days. Ahwaz is a different story completely and complex. Plus we want to have good relationship with our neighbours.

[Smitty]

Are you sure about that bro? It seems to me that southern states, such as Texas for example, seem to be unifying despite ethnic identity. Its probably due to the rise in patriotism and mutual hatred for vaccine mandates. In fact, im starting to see it here in WA too, which I personally support. No unity=disenigration of the U.S+weakening of national identity. I also support English being the official language with spanish being a recognized language.

I'm sure of what I wrote. Whether there is a broader multiethnic coalition that prefers freedom is another discussion. I don't know what you're referring to in Texas. If it's the alleged uptick in Hispanics voting for Trump, I've addressed that before. It was slight and, at any rate, unsurprising, given that Trump was a very practical but not terribly conservative candidate and Biden was a patently terrible one. Texas has remained red for as long as it has, not because its Hispanics are particularly more conservative than Hispanics elsewhere, but because it's whites are strikingly more conservative than whites elsewhere. Also not surprising, because whites in Texas are true blue Southerners.

Naturally, I agree with you that unity brings strength. But I do not believe we're seeing a rise in that. We're seeing a division into two groups as it concerns the vaccine, which seem to correlate roughly with Right and Left. And if the virus remains the defining issue, other disagreements may ultimately become irrelevant. But I have yet to see any strong showing of minority groups among conservative circles. To the extent minorities agree with conservative whites that the vaccine and its accompanying mandates are a problem, we seem to be dealing with that problem in our own ways, from our own camps - allies maybe, but not comrades. And that is what I would expect.

I also strongly disagree with recognizing Spanish as a national language. It isn't even recognized in those states where it might be legitimate, to wit, states with longstanding (pre-Mexican Cession) Spanish-speaking communities. For the rest of the country, it is starkly disunifying and an insult to our history and national identity.

[Babak]

If they want to fight among themselves that is. Since all of them claim to be the rightful heirs of the northern regions. They say way worse stuff about us especially the ASS-Aryans.



Yes and no, this due to the regions that the Iraqi Arabs are in. I was just stating to the ASS-Aryan how I feel about northern Iraq, and how it’s useless and no benefit to us. Kuwait is more valuable due to being a port and oil rich area, plus the people are more related to us than northern Iraqi groups. Since he keeps whining and showing hostility to us. Though it’s not ASS-Aryans but the other groups who are hostile to us but less so because they are Muslim. As for the sectarian division it’s complex process and the people that participated in them are bunch of low dung animals, they know it. If Iraq survives but it does not then, it will be reborn a knew. Though I advocate unification of all the Arabian peninsula.



I definitely don’t want history to repeat itself. My brand of nationalism is loving your people first and foremost and honoring your ancestors. My nationalism is more ethno-nationalist rather than a civic nationalist. I don’t care about sectarian differences, this should be banned and many agree with me. It means we see all Arabian tribes as one blood and this transcends the borders and the crowned clowns imposed by the colonial rulers such as the British and Americans. We reject any foreign intervention be it Chinese, Russian, Iranian or European. Basically looking for real and true independence. This why many of us don’t feel a commonality with an Assyrian, Kurd or Turkmen despite being from Iraq. Many of us feel closer to Jordanians and people of the Arabian peninsula.



Definitely not. As nationalists we respect other ethnic groups and races, my particular type of nationalism is about liberation and freedom. It advocates the removal of the colonial imposed monarchs from the Arabian peninsula, and the removal of foreign troops from the gulf. As well unity with Arabian blooded people regardless of borders. We respect the brotherhood of mankind, and we oppose genocide of anyone. We also respect other religions and sects. Since we are ethnic nationalists first and foremost. Though did I mean the comments to the Ass-Aryan not really. I don’t oppose minorities in the region as long as they respect our culture and ways no problem. However our type of nationalism is very ethnic and Arabian based and centred on the Arabian peninsula, and we also oppose usurious capitalism. Hence some regions of Iraq might break away, this does not mean we don’t care about it, but we are a minority there actually especially us Bedouins. Thus we have no political power. I also believe once the Gulf monarchs are overthrown they are to be deposed in humane and peaceful way to Washington and London.



Of course it would. Though any country in the Arabian peninsula should start the unification process but the clowns need to be removed first. Iraq is a very destroyed nation and I will be honest and dare say it longer has a national identity. Each region of Iraq wants to be its own state. In the North Assyrians want an independent state, the Kurds want an independent state, and even the Turkmens independent state with their names Assyria, Kurdistan, Turkmenali. Even us the western Iraqi Bedouins at one point wanted independent state but this was the tribal leaders thought in gaining more power. Though they have stepped aside this, and many have more of unofficial ethnonationalist stance with a focus on the Arabian peninsula. Iraqi Shia Arabs are divided into those who are religious nationalists often advocating pan-Shiaism and significant and growing portion among them are becoming ethnobationalist again focusing on Arabian unity. This differs from the traditional pan-Arabism that includes the Levant, Egypt or North Africa.




Kuwait is ours, the British nor the Americans had a right to severe it from us. As the other poster said it’s a disgrace and ruled by puppet clowns. It will be united one of these days. Ahwaz is a different story completely and complex. Plus we want to have good relationship with our neighbours.

Well, those clowns wont be removed anytime soon due to the immense geographical and socio-political influence Israel has in those regions. I find it funny that you oppose globalism, yet you are supporting the idea of dividing the Near-east into glass pieces. This "unification" of arab states would ultimately lead to more globalist control and thats exactly what the elites want. You are playing right into their hands and they love it. Bush 2.0 Divide and conquer at its finest.

[Babak]

I'm sure of what I wrote. Whether there is a broader multiethnic coalition that prefers freedom is another discussion. I don't know what you're referring to in Texas. If it's the alleged uptick in Hispanics voting for Trump, I've addressed that before. It was slight and, at any rate, unsurprising, given that Trump was a very practical but not terribly conservative candidate and Biden was a patently terrible one. Texas has remained red for as long as it has, not because its Hispanics are particularly more conservative than Hispanics elsewhere, but because it's whites are strikingly more conservative than whites elsewhere. Also not surprising, because whites in Texas are true blue Southerners.

Naturally, I agree with you that unity brings strength. But I do not believe we're seeing a rise in that. We're seeing a division into two groups as it concerns the vaccine, which seem to correlate roughly with Right and Left. And if the virus remains the defining issue, other disagreements may ultimately become irrelevant. But I have yet to see any strong showing of minority groups among conservative circles. To the extent minorities agree with conservative whites that the vaccine and its accompanying mandates are a problem, we seem to be dealing with that problem in our own ways, from our own camps - allies maybe, but not comrades. And that is what I would expect.

I also strongly disagree with recognizing Spanish as a national language. It isn't even recognized in those states where it might be legitimate, to wit, states with longstanding (pre-Mexican Cession) Spanish-speaking communities. For the rest of the country, it is starkly disunifying and an insult to our history and national identity.

Well I wasnt specifically referring to trump, but the overall state of Texas seems to be on the verge of unifying, as well as other swing states. With that said though, i also support the assimilation of all minority groups. I can see spanish being an issue. Could be just a language that you can learn in school, but english definitely needs to be mandatory.

[chinshen]

Assyrian please? One time you are Aramaics and Syriacs ect identity crisis. Not the people but the colonial imposed clowns sure. It’s because they don’t want to lose their power nothing more and nothing less. I am showing you, that I don’t really care for northern Iraq, yes I would trade it for Kuwait which is more valuable. Kuwait is a port which is very important for trade, is richer in oil than northern Iraq. Northern Iraq has many ethnic groups, and yours are minority, as Turkmens and Kurds are the largest groups. I honestly don’t care if Assyrians, Kurds or Turkmens duke it out. Though I would protect the Arab and Bedouin groups.

Bedouin listen, Assyrians do not have identity crises, we know exactly who we are for the last five thousand years. We also know that we are are one of the most indigenous and ancient people of West Asia regardless what some dishonest people like you who keeps spreading disinformation about Assyrians and falsifying the entire region's history.

Actually it is you who has identity crises, one day you are an Iraqi Nationalist, the next day you are Arab Bedouin trans-border globalist trying very hard to fake history and pass your Arab tribes names as historical kingdoms and dynasties.

Again Northern Iraq is not yours to give away, actually all of Iraq & Levant is not yours to decide who gets what. You seem to give yourself a lot of importance that you actually don't have.

Let me make it clear, currently us Assyrians don't have the geopolitical clout or the military strength to fight anyone whether it is the Kurds, Turkmen or Arab Bedouins, but not because we are weak people. It is because all odds are stacked up against us including what your western colonial masters that have always backed our regional enemies even though you like to bad mouth them all the times.
Instead of badmouthing your colonial masters, you should be thanking them because they are the one who gave you control of 22 countries not because you deserve it, but because you serve their purpose very well.

Yes, we are a minority which just got much smaller in the last twenty years thanks to genocidal tendencies of your kind, but we have undisputed historical rights to these lands that you can't even dream of having without you lying and trying to falsify history.

[Italicus]

Bedouin listen, Assyrians do not have identity crises, we know exactly who we are for the last five thousand years. We also know that we are are one of the most indigenous and ancient people of West Asia regardless what some dishonest people like you who keeps spreading disinformation about Assyrians and falsifying the entire region's history.

Actually it is you who has identity crises, one day you are an Iraqi Nationalist, the next day you are Arab Bedouin trans-border globalist trying very hard to fake history and pass your Arab tribes names as historical kingdoms and dynasties.

Again Northern Iraq is not yours to give away, actually all of Iraq & Levant is not yours to decide who gets what. You seem to give yourself a lot of importance that you actually don't have.

Let me make it clear, currently us Assyrians don't have the geopolitical clout or the military strength to fight anyone whether it is the Kurds, Turkmen or Arab Bedouins, but not because we are weak people. It is because all odds are stacked up against us including what your western colonial masters that have always backed our regional enemies even though you like to bad mouth them all the times.
Instead of badmouthing your colonial masters, you should be thanking them because they are the one who gave you control of 22 countries not because you deserve it, but because you serve their purpose very well.

Yes, we are a minority which just got much smaller in the last twenty years thanks to genocidal tendencies of your kind, but we have undisputed historical rights to these lands that you can't even dream of having without you lying and trying to falsify history.

This. The Arab invasion destroyed the Middle East with their Mohammedan barbarism.

[Ezio Auditore]

Bedouin listen, Assyrians do not have identity crises, we know exactly who we are for the last five thousand years. We also know that we are are one of the most indigenous and ancient people of West Asia regardless what some dishonest people like you who keeps spreading disinformation about Assyrians and falsifying the entire region's history.

Actually it is you who has identity crises, one day you are an Iraqi Nationalist, the next day you are Arab Bedouin trans-border globalist trying very hard to fake history and pass your Arab tribes names as historical kingdoms and dynasties.

Again Northern Iraq is not yours to give away, actually all of Iraq & Levant is not yours to decide who gets what. You seem to give yourself a lot of importance that you actually don't have.

Let me make it clear, currently us Assyrians don't have the geopolitical clout or the military strength to fight anyone whether it is the Kurds, Turkmen or Arab Bedouins, but not because we are weak people. It is because all odds are stacked up against us including what your western colonial masters that have always backed our regional enemies even though you like to bad mouth them all the times.
Instead of badmouthing your colonial masters, you should be thanking them because they are the one who gave you control of 22 countries not because you deserve it, but because you serve their purpose very well.

Yes, we are a minority which just got much smaller in the last twenty years thanks to genocidal tendencies of your kind, but we have undisputed historical rights to these lands that you can't even dream of having without you lying and trying to falsify history.

Similar to amazigh... natives of north Africa who got arabized and to this day have to fight for their own language to survive... sad.

[Italicus]

Bedouin listen, Assyrians do not have identity crises, we know exactly who we are for the last five thousand years. We also know that we are are one of the most indigenous and ancient people of West Asia regardless what some dishonest people like you who keeps spreading disinformation about Assyrians and falsifying the entire region's history.

Actually it is you who has identity crises, one day you are an Iraqi Nationalist, the next day you are Arab Bedouin trans-border globalist trying very hard to fake history and pass your Arab tribes names as historical kingdoms and dynasties.

Again Northern Iraq is not yours to give away, actually all of Iraq & Levant is not yours to decide who gets what. You seem to give yourself a lot of importance that you actually don't have.

Let me make it clear, currently us Assyrians don't have the geopolitical clout or the military strength to fight anyone whether it is the Kurds, Turkmen or Arab Bedouins, but not because we are weak people. It is because all odds are stacked up against us including what your western colonial masters that have always backed our regional enemies even though you like to bad mouth them all the times.
Instead of badmouthing your colonial masters, you should be thanking them because they are the one who gave you control of 22 countries not because you deserve it, but because you serve their purpose very well.

Yes, we are a minority which just got much smaller in the last twenty years thanks to genocidal tendencies of your kind, but we have undisputed historical rights to these lands that you can't even dream of having without you lying and trying to falsify history.

Do you speak Syriac? That's such a cool language. Thousands of years of history, only to be violently assaulted by Arabian durka durka barbarians. Very sad.

[chinshen]

Do you speak Syriac? That's such a cool language. Thousands of years of history, only to be violently assaulted by Arabian durka durka barbarians. Very sad.

Thank you, yes I do speak Syriac, but I prefer to call it Assyrian which is the same. I can also read and write a little bit.

[Italicus]

Thank you, yes I do speak Syriac, but I prefer to call it Assyrian which is the same. I can also read and write a little bit.

That's awesome, keep the language, faith and culture alive! Make sure that the Arabians don't destroy your heritage.

[chinshen]

Similar to amazigh... natives of north Africa who got arabized and to this day have to fight for their own language to survive... sad.

Yes, that is a shame, Amazigh should also keep their language and culture.

[happycow]

Sardinians are pure Early European Farmer, a mix of Natufian and WHG.

Is this actually true? :confused: Natufians were genetically arabian like. I've seen the gedmatch results of Sardinians and Anatolian farmers, and if they were natufian/whg their red sea and southwest asian would be fairly high, and it isn't. They may have had some minor natufian but I don't think it was significant.

[chinshen]

That's awesome, keep the language, faith and culture alive! Make sure that the Arabians don't destroy your heritage.

Fortunately I do not live among them. Plus we are not like them, they flee to the west, but do not lose any opportunity to backstab their host countries.
Unlike them, we do not betray the countries and societies that help us.

[Italicus]

Is this actually true? :confused: Natufians were genetically arabian like. I've seen the gedmatch results of Sardinians and Anatolian farmers, and if they were natufian/whg their red sea and southwest asian would be fairly high, and it isn't. They may have had some minor natufian but I don't think it was significant.

I guess more Basal Eurasian, but that's the same thing. I just remember it from a survive the jive video

[Italicus]

Fortunately I do not live among them.

It's so gross how Arabians destroyed the Levant, Mesopotamia and North Africa. Sickening.

[nee4speed111]

Is this actually true? :confused: Natufians were genetically arabian like. I've seen the gedmatch results of Sardinians and Anatolian farmers, and if they were natufian/whg their red sea and southwest asian would be fairly high, and it isn't. They may have had some minor natufian but I don't think it was significant.

Sardinians are predominately Neolithic Anatolian like + WHG like, they have basically no direct Natufian ancestry. Of course the story is a bit more complicated because Natufian itself is probably a mixed component, but for all intents and purposes Sardinians don't have any southwest asian ancestry.

[happycow]

I guess more Basal Eurasian, but that's the same thing. I just remember it from a survive the jive video

I remember that video. If you read the current description of the video he says that it is not correct.

[happycow]

Sardinians are predominately Neolithic Anatolian like + WHG like, they have basically no direct Natufian ancestry. Of course the story is a bit more complicated because Natufian itself is probably a mixed component, but for all intents and purposes Sardinians don't have any southwest asian ancestry.

That's what I figured. Thanks. :)

[Borealis]

I guess more Basal Eurasian, but that's the same thing. I just remember it from a survive the jive video

Nah, Natufian itself is a mix of ANF and Iberomaurisian.

[StonyArabia]

Bedouin listen, Assyrians do not have identity crises, we know exactly who we are for the last five thousand years. We also know that we are are one of the most indigenous and ancient people of West Asia regardless what some dishonest people like you who keeps spreading disinformation about Assyrians and falsifying the entire region's history.

Yes you do one time your Assyrian and one time you are Syriacs one time you are Aramaic. I never have spread misinformation about Assyrians nor falsifying the regions entire history. The kettle calling the pot black here.


Actually it is you who has identity crises, one day you are an Iraqi Nationalist, the next day you are Arab Bedouin trans-border globalist trying very hard to fake history and pass your Arab tribes names as historical kingdoms and dynasties.

I never claimed to be an Iraqi nationalist, because like I said I don’t feel commonality with Assyrians, Kurds, or Turkmens. I feel more commonality with Jordanians and the people of the Gulf. Well sorry but history, archeology, and even genetics on my side. The sad truth that stings you is that the Arabians were not only nomadic desert barbarians but did create a sophisticated societies and states both pre-Islamic and after. So the Kedarites, Midianites, Nabateans, Ghassanids, Lakhmids, Ummyads, Abbassids, Fatamids, Idrised, Alghabid did not exist.

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Again Northern Iraq is not yours to give away, actually all of Iraq & Levant is not yours to decide who gets what. You seem to give yourself a lot of importance that you actually don't have.

It’s my opinion and how I see it nothing more than that.


Let me make it clear, currently us Assyrians don't have the geopolitical clout or the military strength to fight anyone whether it is the Kurds, Turkmen or Arab Bedouins, but not because we are weak people.

Arab Bedouins don’t care about your feud with Kurds or Turkmens. Nor are there many of us in northern Iraq. We live more in the Western regions and the south. Never said you are weak.


It is because all odds are stacked up against us including what your western colonial masters that have always backed our regional enemies even though you like to bad mouth them all the times.

We have no masters. They are simply playing chess in the region. Though again it’s not my concern. Westerners have only supported Kurds but they never supported Arabs or even Turkmens.



Instead of badmouthing your colonial masters, you should be thanking them because they are the one who gave you control of 22 countries not because you deserve it, but because you serve their purpose very well.

You mean the imposed puppets, definitely. I don’t care about the other regions. I only care about the Arabian peninsula. The Arabian peninsula is our land and the home of our race.


Yes, we are a minority which just got much smaller in the last twenty years thanks to genocidal tendencies of your kind, but we have undisputed historical rights to these lands that you can't even dream of having without you lying and trying to falsify history.

My kind ? I have no relationship to Kurds or Turkmens, who are more genetically and culturally similar to you. Bedouins have a clear genetic and distinct profile. Yeah Assyrian, whatever. I have told you many times I have peer reviewed historical and genetics.

Cry and weep

Arab tribes begin to appear in the south Syrian deserts and southern Jordan around 200 CE, but spread from the central Arabian Peninsula after the rise of Islam in the 630s CE.

The Qedarite Kingdom, or Qedar (Arabic: مملكة قيدار, romanized: Mamlakat Qaydar, also known as Qedarites), was a largely nomadic, ancient Arab tribal confederation. Described as "the most organized of the Northern Arabian tribes", at the peak of its power in the 6th century BCE it had a kingdom and controlled a vast region in Arabia

The Lakhmids (Arabic: اللخميون) referred to in Arabic as al-Manādhirah (المناذرة) or Banu Lakhm (بنو لخم) was an Arab kingdom in Southern Iraq and Eastern Arabia, with al-Hirah as their capital, from about 300 to 602 CE. They were generally but intermittently the allies and clients of the Sasanian Empire, and participant in the Roman–Persian Wars. While the term "Lakhmids" has also been applied to the ruling dynasty, more recent scholarship prefers to refer to the latter as the Naṣrids.

The first mention of Arabs appeared in the mid-9th century BCE, as a tribal people in Eastern and Southern Syria and the northern Arabian Peninsula.[72] The Arabs appear to have been under the vassalage of the Neo-Assyrian Empire (911–612 BCE), as well as the succeeding Neo-Babylonian (626–539 BCE), Achaemenid (539–332 BCE), Seleucid and Parthian empires

Before the expansion of the Rashidun Caliphate (632–661 C.E.), "Arab" referred to any of the largely nomadic and settled Arabic-speaking people from the Arabian Peninsula, Syrian Desert and Lower Mesopotamia, with some even reaching what is now northern Iraq.[75]

"Arab". Encyclopædia Britannica. 2019 [1998].
Grant, Christina Phelps (2003). The Syrian desert : caravans, travel and exploration. Hoboken: Taylor and Francis. ISBN 978-1-136-19271-5.
"The Nomadic Tribes of Arabia". Boundless. 2 October 2016. Archived from the original on 21 December 2016. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
"ʿArab i. Arabs and Iran (pre-Islamic) – Encyclopaedia Iranica". Iranicaonline.org. Retrieved 7 August 2017.

[chinshen]

Yes you do one time your Assyrian and one time you are Syriacs one time you are Aramaic. I never have spread misinformation about Assyrians nor falsifying the regions entire history. The kettle calling the pot black here.

>>>> No we don't, you are lying up to your teeth as usual, Syriac and Assyrian is interchangeable and the same thing. Some user letters are interchangeable for different language groups like T, TH, SH and S so the same name is pronounced different depending who what language or language family the person belongs to.
Plus we can't control what other people call us. Many other people get called different names by others, but that does not make them distinct ethnicities.
Aramaic is not what we call ourselves, we actually call ourselves Suraye (Plural) that is the same as Assyrian which is the English version of the same name.
Persians call us Asorie., Greeks & Roman called us differently because of their different languages.

I never claimed to be an Iraqi nationalist, because like I said I don’t feel commonality with Assyrians, Kurds, or Turkmens. I feel more commonality with Jordanians and the people of the Gulf. Well sorry but history, archeology, and even genetics on my side. The sad truth that stings you is that the Arabians were not only nomadic desert barbarians but did create a sophisticated societies and states both pre-Islamic and after. So the Kedarites, Midianites, Nabateans, Ghassanids, Lakhmids, Ummyads, Abbassids, Fatamids, Idrised, Alghabid did not exist.

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>>>>You actually did claim that.
Good, we are in agreement here, we do not really have any commonality or affinity with you (Arabs), Kurds, Turkmen or Iraqis.
Not all Assyrians originate from Northern Iraq, some originate from Iranian Azerbaijan, a lot others from Turkey like my family and some others from originate from Syria.
Like I stated before, Northern Iraq is just a small part of historical Northern Mesopotamia, all the above countries are made up by your colonial powers in the early 20th century.

Ummyads, Abbassids, Fatamids, Idrised, Alghabid did exist, but the other ones are made up.


It’s my opinion and how I see it nothing more than that.

>>>>You definitely are entitled to your opinion, you know what they say about opinions (Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one).


Arab Bedouins don’t care about your feud with Kurds or Turkmens. Nor are there many of us in northern Iraq. We live more in the Western regions and the south. Never said you are weak.

And we Assyrians also don't care about your feuds with Persians, Israelis, Kurds, Turks and your western colonial masters too.

We have no masters. They are simply playing chess in the region. Though again it’s not my concern. Westerners have only supported Kurds but they never supported Arabs or even Turkmens.

>>>>That is also another lie of yours, they actually supported you by destroying the corrupt decaying Ottoman empire and creating all those 22 entities then they handed them to you to rule over their native populations knowing how easily you can be manipulated.



You mean the imposed puppets, definitely. I don’t care about the other regions. I only care about the Arabian peninsula. The Arabian peninsula is our land and the home of our race.

>>>>I mean your heroes.
Here I have to do agree with you that Arabian peninsular is your undisputed land and the original home of your wicked race.

My kind ? I have no relationship to Kurds or Turkmens, who are more genetically and culturally similar to you. Bedouins have a clear genetic and distinct profile. Yeah Assyrian, whatever. I have told you many times I have peer reviewed historical and genetics.

Cry and weep

>>>>You have hell a lot of more relationship to both Kurds & Turkmen than Assyrians do.



Arab tribes begin to appear in the south Syrian deserts and southern Jordan around 200 CE, but spread from the central Arabian Peninsula after the rise of Islam in the 630s CE.

>>>>Half lie, Arab tribes started to spread like cancer after the rise of Islam in the 650 CE.

The Qedarite Kingdom, or Qedar (Arabic: مملكة قيدار, romanized: Mamlakat Qaydar, also known as Qedarites), was a largely nomadic, ancient Arab tribal confederation. Described as "the most organized of the Northern Arabian tribes", at the peak of its power in the 6th century BCE it had a kingdom and controlled a vast region in Arabia

>>>>Obscure Bedouin tribe not significant.


The Lakhmids (Arabic: اللخميون) referred to in Arabic as al-Manādhirah (المناذرة) or Banu Lakhm (بنو لخم) was an Arab kingdom in Southern Iraq and Eastern Arabia, with al-Hirah as their capital, from about 300 to 602 CE. They were generally but intermittently the allies and clients of the Sasanian Empire, and participant in the Roman–Persian Wars. While the term "Lakhmids" has also been applied to the ruling dynasty, more recent scholarship prefers to refer to the latter as the Naṣrids.

>>>>Another made up lie.



The first mention of Arabs appeared in the mid-9th century BCE, as a tribal people in Eastern and Southern Syria and the northern Arabian Peninsula.[72] The Arabs appear to have been under the vassalage of the Neo-Assyrian Empire (911–612 BCE), as well as the succeeding Neo-Babylonian (626–539 BCE), Achaemenid (539–332 BCE), Seleucid and Parthian empires

>>>>Another lie.

Before the expansion of the Rashidun Caliphate (632–661 C.E.), "Arab" referred to any of the largely nomadic and settled Arabic-speaking people from the Arabian Peninsula, Syrian Desert and Lower Mesopotamia, with some even reaching what is now northern Iraq.[75]

>>>>A big lie.

"Arab". Encyclopædia Britannica. 2019 [1998].
Grant, Christina Phelps (2003). The Syrian desert : caravans, travel and exploration. Hoboken: Taylor and Francis. ISBN 978-1-136-19271-5.
"The Nomadic Tribes of Arabia". Boundless. 2 October 2016. Archived from the original on 21 December 2016. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
"ʿArab i. Arabs and Iran (pre-Islamic) – Encyclopaedia Iranica". Iranicaonline.org. Retrieved 7 August 2017.

>>>>I see you are referencing your western colonial masters when it is convenient for you, but they are lying, because they have to give some credence to their puppet creation.

[Italicus]

Fortunately I do not live among them. Plus we are not like them, they flee to the west, but do not lose any opportunity to backstab their host countries.
Unlike them, we do not betray the countries and societies that help us.

You're preaching to the choir bro. Assyrians and Maronites are good in my book. Islam really fucked up the Middle East. Mohammed should have been swallowed by his mother.

[Chocolatepug37]

There is a minority of nonwhites(Mestizos, Middle Easterns, and Indians) who think they can genuinely pass as white. In the majority of cases these seem to be women using a lot of make up. We have discussed on many occasions how almost anyone can pass as white in the United States and Latin America because the bar for whiteness is very low in those regions, or be mistaken as white in much of the nonwhite world. But passing as white in places where actual white Europeans live is another story entirely. To demonstrate this, watch this video about Russian neo Nazis. They attack even Chechens and Armenians who are by far the most white passing of all ethnics and call them “black”. So if even they are identified and targeted, what chance do other minorities have?


https://youtu.be/GV4v31azgQM

I think Arabs, Indians, etc who think they can pass as white are just deluding themselves.

Interesting video. I have heard that racism stems from fear. A lot of things stem from fear. Fear of the unknown?

[renaissance12]

There is a minority of nonwhites(Mestizos, Middle Easterns, and Indians) who think they can genuinely pass as white. In the majority of cases these seem to be women using a lot of make up. We have discussed on many occasions how almost anyone can pass as white in the United States and Latin America because the bar for whiteness is very low in those regions, or be mistaken as white in much of the nonwhite world. But passing as white in places where actual white Europeans live is another story entirely. To demonstrate this, watch this video about Russian neo Nazis. They attack even Chechens and Armenians who are by far the most white passing of all ethnics and call them “black”. So if even they are identified and targeted, what chance do other minorities have?


https://youtu.be/GV4v31azgQM

I think Arabs, Indians, etc who think they can pass as white are just deluding themselves.


Nazi slavic russians ? It is an oxymoron..

Russians -Tzar- ( Cesare in Italiano and Caesar in English ) and kings centuries ago were so proud of Viking culture ( i'm joking because Viking culture is insignificant and till XIX nobody in Europe knew something about them .. 0,0001 literature and 0,0001 archaeological artifacts.) that they changed theirs family name to ROMA-NOV. ( new Rome )

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