DNA ancestry tests, Do you believe them?. Watch this.

[B01AB20]

A little summary.

Two twins with identical DNA.

Their family hails back to Sicily, with polish and ukranian roots too.

They are testing 5 companies. Results are quite different from expected and even one says 3,4% italian... min. 5:10.

Statistical guess, comparing with, databases, figure out most likely, it's never 100% sure thing.

I think they're selling something that is not really suppoted by science.

DNA test can tell you your percentage ancestry only at continental level.

23andme: default select confidence level : 50%.
With 90% confidence level results change dramatically.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5c1p6aC0&t=913s

[Ezio Auditore]

yes I believe them, why shouldn't WE? It is scientifically supported that phenotype doesn't = genotype. Many examples of exotic people relative to their genetic makeup brotha... we all come from Africa at some point anyway... surely ancient north African elites came in and had sex with whatever native ancient population was in your lands! I have relatives of pure castellano descendants who look more exotic!

[princeton90]

Direct results from commercial tests are bullshit, but if you download the raw data and upload it to gedmatch then you'll get reliable results.

[Ezio Auditore]

Direct results from commercial tests are bullshit, but if you download the raw data and upload it to gedmatch then you'll get reliable results.

it's not that bs for most Europeans. Gedmatch isn't that great as people say it is... the people OP posted are clearly just southern european mutts with a bit of an exotic phenotype which happens. People just have issues understand phenotype isn't always stereotypical of typical genomic results.

[princeton90]

I don't think a fully native German would score Russian, I don't think a fully native Levantine Arab would score Turkish, I don't think a fully native Han Chinese would score Korean on gedmatch calculators as their closest populations. Gedmatch is pretty reliable and accurate.

[princeton90]

it's not that bs for most Europeans. Gedmatch isn't that great as people say it is... the people OP posted are clearly just southern european mutts with a bit of an exotic phenotype which happens. People just have issues understand phenotype isn't always stereotypical of typical genomic results.

If Gedmatch database is up-to-date, I think it would be very reliable because unlike commercial tests, Gedmatch gives ethnicity names instead of drawing maps.

[mitalit]

It is not perfect, and less the mainstream companies. But there is a lot of truth behind dna testing.
With time it will improve, it is still a science in diapers

[B01AB20]

yes I believe them, why shouldn't WE? It is scientifically supported that phenotype doesn't = genotype. Many examples of exotic people relative to their genetic makeup brotha... we all come from Africa at some point anyway... surely ancient north African elites came in and had sex with whatever native ancient population was in your lands! I have relatives of pure castellano descendants who look more exotic!

what are you talking about? :confused:

This's not about your manias and complexes regarding Iberia and the amazighs nor your exotic castellano relatives man.

In fact it has nothing to do with that, but no matter the topic you always bring out that subject.

Calm down, and if you want to give your opinion it's OK, but say something coherent and related to the topic in cuestion.

( ostia, no serás el Axios aquel no?)

[B01AB20]

I don't think a fully native German would score Russian, I don't think a fully native Levantine Arab would score Turkish, I don't think a fully native Han Chinese would score Korean on gedmatch calculators as their closest populations. Gedmatch is pretty reliable and accurate.

Those twins are mostly italian and one company says they're only 3.4% italian...

[Scandal]

I don't like the ancestry break down of commercial dna tests. However when you compare gedmatch results based on raw data coming from two different companies the results will be very similar, if not the same.

[princeton90]

Those twins are mostly italian and one company says they're only 3.4% italian...

Commercial test results are deceptive. Gedmatch Oracle is much better. If they upload their raw data to Gedmatch, I'm sure they will score predominantly Italian on Oracle.

[Scandal]

Those twins are mostly italian and one company says they're only 3.4% italian...
If they're mostly Italian then gedmatch will show that.

[B01AB20]

It is not perfect, and less the mainstream companies. But there is a lot of truth behind dna testing.
With time it will improve, it is still a science in diapers

23andme's own executives say it is not scientifically reliable

[B01AB20]

Commercial test results are deceptive. Gedmatch Oracle is much better. If they upload their raw data to Gedmatch, I'm sure they will score predominantly Italian on Oracle.

I confess, I don't know what Gedmatch Oracle is, but if it is so good I will look into it.

[princeton90]

I confess, I don't know what Gedmatch Oracle is, but if it is so good I will look into it.

It is pretty interesting. :thumb001:

[Ezio Auditore]

what are you talking about? :confused:

This's not about your manias and complexes regarding Iberia and the amazighs nor your exotic castellano relatives man.

In fact it has nothing to do with that, but no matter the topic you always bring out that subject.

Calm down, and if you want to give your opinion it's OK, but say something coherent and related to the topic in cuestion.

( ostia, no serás el Axios aquel no?)

1.) I have no amazigh relatives that i know of, but just the average amount most western celtic-germanic-italic-iberico mix has due to ancient links in trade and intermingling in Andalusia and the algarve, and then from the moorish conquest.

2.) It isn't a complex, it is just the truth... it's not too important but i am proud of it in us so i want to express it along with our Celtic,germanic,italic roots.

3.) Axios? Who is that? I am new here got recommended here from my Leonese friend Ard 2.0 and Alex who is spaniard.

[mitalit]

Yes, he is a nice guy.

[mitalit]

23andme's own executives say it is not scientifically reliable

23andme is fine. they have made updates to their estimates since this video was uploaded

[gixajo]

1.) I have no amazigh relatives that i know of, but just the average amount most western celtic-germanic-italic-iberico mix has due to ancient links in trade and intermingling in Andalusia and the algarve, and then from the moorish conquest.

2.) It isn't a complex, it is just the truth... it's not too important but i am proud of it in us so i want to express it along with our Celtic,germanic,italic roots.

3.) Axios? Who is that? I am new here got recommended here from my Leonese friend Ard 2.0 and Alex who is spaniard.

Ard 2.0 is a fake Spanish, he is actually Irish.

[mitalit]

Ard 2.0 is a fake Spanish, he is actually Irish.

I'm not, stop telling false rumors about me. I'm Latino, aka Spaniard.

[Ezio Auditore]

I'm not, stop telling false rumors about me. I'm Latino, aka Spaniard.

Irish dont have amazigh blood so you cannot be Irish dude.... Latino have a lot bc of Spanish, which makes sense. Even gallego celts had sex with amazigh's, and castellanos like urself hence why u got the blood in u bro.

ANyway, i don't wnt to derail the thread anymore... i think we all agree that DNA testing is in it's infancy and we need more data sources to get good autosomal verifiable results. Right now the best feature on DNA testing sites are the matching tool to triangulate matches and find common heritage locations.

[Luke35]

If you are predominantly from a single ethnicity, all 4 grandparents are English lets say, then 23andMe and AncestryDNA are gonna do just fine with you, most of the time. And GEDmatch too.

Issues arise with mixed ancestry, particularly European mixes. These girls are mixed. And if they were adopted, and you did not know about how to model them, then GEDmatch would be a mess too. They would be modeled in various ways, and you would have no idea which is close. If you are mixed GEDmatch requires that you know something about your ancestry, to be able to interpret the results. The commercial tests attempt to skip this and go right to prediction.

As it turns out, if I was adopted, and I only had my 23andMe test to go on, I would indeed have accurate information. They predicted I was about 1/2 German and 1/2 Polish/Hungarian, minor English. You can't make that shit up, it's correct. Well, not the Polish but you can't expect a perfect prediction.

Also, 23andMe and Ancestry have improved since the twins took those tests.

[B01AB20]

1.) I have no amazigh relatives that i know of, but just the average amount most western celtic-germanic-italic-iberico mix has due to ancient links in trade and intermingling in Andalusia and the algarve, and then from the moorish conquest.

2.) It isn't a complex, it is just the truth... it's not too important but i am proud of it in us so i want to express it along with our Celtic,germanic,italic roots.

3.) Axios? Who is that? I am new here got recommended here from my Leonese friend Ard 2.0 and Alex who is spaniard.

OK. Why don't you open a thread where you explain who you are, your identity, ancestry, your truths, your likes and dislikes about spanish user's racial POV and whatever you want?. Then you, and we, would have a point of reference, a idea of who are we dealing with.
And maybe you will not have the need of bringing out the same topics in every thread you post, and more if the thread has nothing to do with it.

Axios was a member half moroccan half spaniard. The relation between him and spaniards users was very harsh and even traumatic (for him).

I hope it will not be the same with you.


Yes, he is a nice guy.


Ard 2.0 is a fake Spanish, he is actually Irish.


I'm not, stop telling false rumors about me. I'm Latino, aka Spaniard.

You know, sometimes I feel I don't know what to believe and what not...:mad:

[gixajo]

You know, sometimes I feel I don't know what to believe and what not...:mad:

Just do as the vast majority of people do, believe what you like or that gives you some kind of benefit, to you or your group.:thumb001:

Because if you follow what my signture says, they will hit you from all sides.

Edit:And Axios was quite nicer than that horrible Spaniard 2.0, but also it´s true that Spaniard 2.0 was quite better than Defcon2, who was a very bad person.

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

Direct results from commercial tests are bullshit, but if you download the raw data and upload it to gedmatch then you'll get reliable results.

Except for the fact that GEDmatch's databases are horribly out of date.

[Rædwald]

Stop blaming tests, and just say you're mad about your results :coffee:

[Annie999]

Yes, Im a new worlder with recent ancestry from different places and my results were spot on, especially AncestryDNA, but 23andme results were pretty good too.

[B01AB20]

Stop blaming tests, and just say you're mad about your results :coffee:

lol, I haven't done any test, and I will not.

The mirror, and a look to my close family, is enough to satisfy my curiosity about the matter.

But I suspect my results would be 100% iberian.