Spain, Portugal have italian-- roman genetics.

[Ezio Auditore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86AQRkeLzwM&t=2s

[Alexandro]

Espagueti lyfe

[Ezio Auditore]

Espagueti lyfe

we gotta be proud of being not only part amazigh, but also part Italian. They are our brothers.

[Alexandro]

we gotta be proud of being not only part amazigh, but also part Italian. They are our brothers.

Ok, but not Terrones plz

[Ezio Auditore]

Ok, but not Terrones plz

why not? They are Greko-roman, very italic peoples... the farther north u go the more barbaric they are.

[mitalit]

Could we say that the current Iberians are more "Roman" than the current Italians?

[Ezio Auditore]

Could we say that the current Iberians are more "Roman" than the current Italians?

I think some of this downshift definitely is due to amazigh blood contributions... but the drop close to Italy shows roman effects definitely. According to my calculator, I would say we have more than some parts of north Italy, yes.

[Ayetooey]

Iberians are celts, west Europeans, sun tanned Irish. Nothing to do with Italians, Greeks and other southerners.

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

there is never "30-40%" northern italian admix in Iberia

The Roman genetic input into Iberia is much less than that

[Ezio Auditore]

there is never "30-40%" northern italian admix in Iberia

The Roman genetic input into Iberia is much less than that

and what does your calculator show? I don't think it's roman north Italy, i think it's greko roman blood in reality and this is why we got some eastern med coming in.

[Alexandro]

Iberians are celts, west Europeans, sun tanned Irish. Nothing to do with Italians, Greeks and other southerners.

God bless the atlantic facade

[mitalit]

Iberians are celts, west Europeans, sun tanned Irish. Nothing to do with Italians, Greeks and other southerners.
I agree with everything except the tanned thing.

[gixajo]

Could we say that the current Iberians are more "Roman" than the current Italians?

Check the Italian IA samples with Iberian IA samples in a model...:picard1:

[Ayetooey]

God bless the atlantic facade

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/697/650/bd5.png

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/flags-spain-ireland-countries-partnership-friendship-handshake-concept-cooperation-sports-team-competition-isolated-white-89960873.jpg

[Defcon2]

Could we say that the current Iberians are more "Roman" than the current Italians?

The italics IA were similar to the current Iberians, so in part yes.

[gixajo]

The mistery of Etruscans has been finally solved: Etruscans were Spanish.

Probably modern North Spanish did a time travel to the past and helped to found Roman civilization.:)

[Colan]

Iberians are celts, west Europeans, sun tanned Irish. Nothing to do with Italians, Greeks and other southerners.

You forgot to mention the Scandinavian heritage

[Mejgusu]

Iberians are celts, west Europeans, sun tanned Irish. Nothing to do with Italians, Greeks and other southerners.

That explains why Meade isn’t ashamed of his Spaniard ancestry. A Celt who spent too much time in a solarium is just a Spaniard who can’t cook something nice.

[Arūnas]

I always knew it, always

[Damião de Góis]

You could have just bumped your old thread:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339960-Spain-Portugal-(Iberia)-have-Roman-Italian-DNA-Video

[Ezio Auditore]

You could have just bumped your old thread:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339960-Spain-Portugal-(Iberia)-have-Roman-Italian-DNA-Video
huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1aXxW_hulA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwlaaFvubas&t=10s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3ygKMYQyg

[gixajo]

Could we say that the current Iberians are more "Roman" than the current Italians?

I am not the author of this calculator.

This is an original calculator made for SE Europeans, and then the author added some extra references for "Italians" (Prenestini, Etruscans etc..).

Imagine our results.:rolleyes:


Paleo_Balkan:I3313,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
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Slavic:Sunghir6,0.129758,0.116786,0.070899,0.06007 8,0.041238,0.018965,0.009165,0.011307,0.001432,-0.017859,0.000487,-0.008093,0.014271,0.023809,-0.014658,-0.005834,0.00013,-0.002154,0.000628,-0.001251,-0.007986,-0.005812,0.012695,-0.010724,-0.005868
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Turkic:DA101,0.087644,-0.040621,0.024513,0.046835,-0.043393,0.017849,0,-0.000462,-0.022293,-0.022415,-0.013965,-0.007493,0.000743,-0.021332,0.011536,0.014452,0.002738,-0.003674,0.002263,5e-04,-0.007612,0.004081,0.000493,0.008073,0.006945
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Extra references for "Italians".


Italic:RMPR473,0.127482,0.158423,0.035072,-0.020672,0.046778,-0.005299,0.00094,-0.000923,0.024952,0.03991,-0.002598,0.013188,-0.018434,-0.006606,-0.00665,-0.018828,-0.011865,0.003294,0.01081,0.00025,-0.001747,-0.000495,-0.000986,-0.000361,-0.003592
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Italic:RMPR435b,0.12862,0.145221,0.04714,0.005491, 0.046162,0.00251,-0.00282,0.002769,0.021475,0.039727,-0.002923,0.012289,-0.021407,-0.016239,0.012622,0.000398,-0.003129,0.003421,0.00176,-0.001251,0.004492,0.003586,-0.00456,-0.003976,0.000239
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Calculator made by CommonSense, link: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?344145-Try-out-my-new-5-way-Balkan-ancestry-model-for-vahaduo-Eurogenes-K13-and-G25

[Ezio Auditore]

without italic:

Target: Ezio_scaled
Distance: 4.4312% / 0.04431183
59.4 Paleo_Balkan
39.6 Germanic
1.0 Eastern_Mediterranean

with italic:

Target: Ezio_scaled
Distance: 3.6412% / 0.03641211
63.0 Italic
14.6 Germanic
10.6 Paleo_Balkan
6.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
2.6 Slavic
2.6 Turkic

[mitalit]

I am not the author of this calculator.

This is an original calculator made for SE Europeans, and then the author added some extra references for "Italians" (Prenestini, Etruscans etc..).

Imagine our results.:rolleyes:


Paleo_Balkan:I3313,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
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Paleo_Balkan:I4332,0.120652,0.147252,0.034318,-0.012274,0.038469,0.002231,-0.00423,0.001154,0.009613,0.032074,-0.006008,0.01094,-0.012487,-0.014726,-0.005972,0.01074,0.02047,-0.00114,0.000754,-0.011005,-0.001248,0.008656,-0.00419,0.002048,-0.002395
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Slavic:Sunghir6,0.129758,0.116786,0.070899,0.06007 8,0.041238,0.018965,0.009165,0.011307,0.001432,-0.017859,0.000487,-0.008093,0.014271,0.023809,-0.014658,-0.005834,0.00013,-0.002154,0.000628,-0.001251,-0.007986,-0.005812,0.012695,-0.010724,-0.005868
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Slavic:VK287,0.127482,0.128972,0.068259,0.059755,0 .040623,0.023148,0.013866,0.013615,-0.004909,-0.02041,-0.003897,-0.006894,0.014717,0.023946,-0.0038,-0.007292,-0.008866,0.005954,0.00176,0.015758,0.004742,-0.014591,0.007025,-0.011688,-0.009819
Slavic:VK212,0.124067,0.135065,0.075424,0.072029,0 .038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.020538,0.00634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
Slavic:VK159,0.121791,0.135065,0.077687,0.079135,0 .040931,0.0251,0.0047,0.01523,0.00225,-0.0277,-0.006333,-0.007943,0.015609,0.017616,-0.013029,0.020949,0.021253,-0.008615,-0.007165,0.011255,-0.006239,-0.00915,0.007641,-0.002771,0.003712
Slavic:VK454,0.125205,0.120848,0.055814,0.054587,0 .046778,0.021475,0.00235,0.008307,0.008795,-0.01549,-0.009256,-0.014687,0.002973,0.025047,-0.018458,0.007823,0.019949,-0.004434,0.001885,-0.002001,-0.008735,-0.000989,0.007765,-0.001807,-0.001676
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Slavic:VK542,0.118376,0.125926,0.062225,0.04845,0. 028621,0.012271,0.00705,0.011769,-0.007363,-0.020775,-0.000162,-0.001499,0.013082,0.025873,-0.012622,-0.004906,-0.014342,-0.002027,-0.000377,0.002626,-0.002371,0.000989,0.003697,-0.006025,0.005149
Slavic:VK272,0.125205,0.121864,0.069013,0.049096,0 .021542,0.01757,0.015511,0.009,-0.001841,-0.01057,0.005034,-0.006145,0.018583,0.034268,-0.008415,-0.003182,-0.002086,-0.002154,-0.002388,0.003877,-0.00287,-0.006554,0.003328,0.00482,0.001796
Slavic:VK340,0.126344,0.129988,0.072784,0.060724,0 .032929,0.030957,0.012691,0.015922,0.005522,-0.01713,-0.006333,-0.007943,0.010555,0.025873,-0.003529,-0.003182,0.015776,0.002914,0.006788,0.004377,-0.007237,-0.003462,0.012202,-0.001205,-0.004191
Germanic:DA119,0.124067,0.135065,0.059585,0.043282 ,0.041238,0.017291,-0.001175,0.002769,0.002659,-0.00328,-0.003248,0.007044,-0.012487,-0.006606,0.0057,0.020154,0.002217,0.000127,-0.000377,-0.00075,-0.00287,0.004081,0.000986,0.021328,0.000599
Germanic:RISE174,0.122929,0.123895,0.067127,0.0584 63,0.041238,0.02008,0.005875,0.007615,0.002863,-0.009659,0.003735,0.001948,-0.006987,0.003853,0.020358,-0.006762,-0.015385,0.006461,0.009427,0.00025,0.00025,0.00284 4,0.002465,0.011447,0.000359
Germanic:ALH_1,0.118376,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034, 0.048009,0.023148,0.014101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:ALH_10,0.12862,0.132019,0.065242,0.047481 ,0.045239,0.023985,0.006345,-0.002308,0.002863,0.004009,0.001461,0.003447,-0.011298,0.004679,0.019137,-0.002254,-0.02386,0.010135,0.005279,-0.009254,0.003868,0.012736,-0.003328,0.012291,-0.000239
Germanic:SZ12,0.135449,0.135065,0.060339,0.048127, 0.047393,0.015339,0.0047,0.005307,-0.001227,-0.002916,-0.007632,0.002398,0.000149,-0.006468,0.019272,0.002387,-0.000522,-0.003801,0.003017,0.007754,0.010606,0.005564,-0.00456,-0.001928,-0.001437
Germanic:SZ15,0.138864,0.116786,0.058454,0.042959, 0.036314,0.024821,0.00235,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Turkic:DA101,0.087644,-0.040621,0.024513,0.046835,-0.043393,0.017849,0,-0.000462,-0.022293,-0.022415,-0.013965,-0.007493,0.000743,-0.021332,0.011536,0.014452,0.002738,-0.003674,0.002263,5e-04,-0.007612,0.004081,0.000493,0.008073,0.006945
Turkic:DA104,0.087644,-0.098506,0.046763,0.041344,-0.048317,0.001673,0.004465,-0.002077,-0.012476,-0.023873,-0.011042,0,-0.001933,-0.029589,0.013843,0.011138,0.00665,-0.000127,0.002011,0.003752,-0.017594,0.00779,-0.001232,0.012411,-0.001676
Turkic:DA385,0.087644,-0.105615,0.046763,0.043928,-0.046162,0.010877,0.00658,0.007615,-0.017385,-0.018588,-0.01429,0.001948,0.001784,-0.018717,0.014522,0.000928,-0.010561,0.00076,0.003897,0.002376,-0.017844,0.003215,0.005176,-0.00241,0.007544
Turkic:DA65,0.079676,-0.087336,0.043369,0.034884,-0.024928,0.00753,-0.010575,-0.001615,-0.005113,-0.012028,-0.005359,-0.008842,0.000892,-0.014588,0.02443,0.022275,-0.004042,0.020777,-0.00088,0.008504,-0.035437,0.001978,-0.000246,0,-0.003592
Turkic:DA66,0.078538,-0.09546,0.044123,0.05814,-0.040315,0.001116,0.0094,0.005077,-0.011249,-0.017312,-0.015265,-0.003147,0.015015,-0.024497,0.014522,-0.000796,-0.007823,0.006588,-0.004399,-0.010005,-0.014474,0.000618,-0.006286,0.007471,-0.003113
Turkic:DA69,0.09675,-0.048745,0.024136,0.040698,-0.047701,0.006414,0.00705,0.004615,-0.022498,-0.01877,-0.010068,-0.005845,0.004757,-0.018992,0.012893,0.023866,-0.004042,0.001014,-0.003017,0.008254,-0.012353,-0.00507,-0.001849,0.005904,0.001317

Extra references for "Italians".


Italic:RMPR473,0.127482,0.158423,0.035072,-0.020672,0.046778,-0.005299,0.00094,-0.000923,0.024952,0.03991,-0.002598,0.013188,-0.018434,-0.006606,-0.00665,-0.018828,-0.011865,0.003294,0.01081,0.00025,-0.001747,-0.000495,-0.000986,-0.000361,-0.003592
Italic:RMPR474b,0.126344,0.149283,0.034318,-0.007752,0.036622,-0.005299,0.003995,-0.004615,0.014726,0.028793,-0.002111,0.015286,-0.01115,-0.002064,-0.00285,0.003182,0.006258,0.007221,0.012318,-0.002626,-0.003369,0.008037,0.000863,-0.000482,-0.001796
Italic:RMPR435b,0.12862,0.145221,0.04714,0.005491, 0.046162,0.00251,-0.00282,0.002769,0.021475,0.039727,-0.002923,0.012289,-0.021407,-0.016239,0.012622,0.000398,-0.003129,0.003421,0.00176,-0.001251,0.004492,0.003586,-0.00456,-0.003976,0.000239
Italic:RMPR1015,0.12862,0.156392,0.042238,-0.024225,0.052933,-0.008367,-0.001645,-0.005307,0.023725,0.040274,0.006008,0.006894,-0.018285,-0.019405,-0.003529,0.008751,0.025686,0.002914,0.004651,0.004 252,0.00574,0.006059,-0.006286,-0.010604,-0.002515
Italic:RMPR1016,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Italic:RMPR1021,0.126344,0.152329,0.034318,-0.014535,0.054164,-0.01506,-0.001175,0.005307,0.019634,0.041914,0.005196,0.010 79,-0.011001,-0.005643,0.004479,-0.016441,-0.010822,-0.001394,0.006662,-0.01113,0.007736,0.007172,-0.007641,-0.00241,0.008981
Italic:RMPR851,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796


Calculator made by CommonSense, link: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?344145-Try-out-my-new-5-way-Balkan-ancestry-model-for-vahaduo-Eurogenes-K13-and-G25

We should go back to these times
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314746-Gen%E9tica-de-espa%F1oles-e-hispanoamericanos&highlight=genetica+espa%F1oles

[gixajo]

Without Italic samples:


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7115% / 0.03711488
63.4 Paleo_Balkan
36.6 Germanic

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.7260% / 0.03726021
79.0 Paleo_Balkan
21.0 Germanic

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.0179% / 0.04017861
56.2 Paleo_Balkan
43.8 Germanic


With Italic samples:


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9657% / 0.01965714
87.2 Italic
7.6 Slavic
5.2 Eastern_Mediterranean

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.4830% / 0.02482959
80.8 Italic
7.8 Paleo_Balkan
7.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
3.8 Slavic

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.1717% / 0.02171700
84.2 Italic
11.6 Germanic
4.2 Slavic


I like to use this pic:

https://i.imgur.com/ppuRnUl.png

[Ezio Auditore]

Iberians are celts, west Europeans, sun tanned Irish. Nothing to do with Italians, Greeks and other southerners.

you wish.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Could we say that the current Iberians are more "Roman" than the current Italians?
They are not more Roman(as in having more direct descent from Romans), but have a more similar very ancient population ancestry % to the original Romans than do modern Italians.

[Gallop]

Etruscan rather, if many Etruscans became Romans there would be a great correspondence of ancient Romans with modern Spaniards, more so than with modern Italians hehe.

[山有扶苏]

Uh huh... The Romans in the Republic are closer to the French and Iberians in northern and southern Italy, so your post can be ended because there is no need to talk about the useless topic of Italian Roman genetics in Spain and Portugal. The genes of the ancient Roman Republic are more similar to yours. What else do you want

[Deusex99]

Uh huh... The Romans in the Republic are closer to the French and Iberians in northern and southern Italy, so your post can be ended because there is no need to talk about the useless topic of Italian Roman genetics in Spain and Portugal. The genes of the ancient Roman Republic are more similar to yours. What else do you want

Filthy spics have zero link with ancient Romans.

125967

[JerryS.]

For shits and giggles

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.7195% / 0.01719506
84.2 Germanic
11.8 Italic
2.0 Eastern_Mediterranean
2.0 Paleo_Balkan

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.7645% / 0.02764486
74.4 Italic
10.8 Eastern_Mediterranean
9.8 Germanic
3.4 Slavic
1.6 Paleo_Balkan

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.3006% / 0.03300567
69.8 Italic
13.8 Slavic
8.8 Paleo_Balkan
7.6 Eastern_Mediterranean

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 3.2630% / 0.03263040
77.0 Italic
9.0 Eastern_Mediterranean
8.8 Slavic
5.2 Paleo_Balkan

[Jingle Bell]

The video its just wrong, Iberians do have "Roman" ancestry but it had a "Eastern Mediterran Profile" not a "Pre-Roman one", its true that modern Iberians in a PCA are btw North Italians and IA Iberia, but its just that Levant-Anatolian/NA plots they South while their Central Euro plots more North:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982221003493
In this article, most Iberians could easily be modeled as 3-way model: IA Iberia + Imperial Roman + North Africa, and most regions scored abt 50% Iberian/ 45% Roman/ 5% NA, with Roman peaking (not a surprise) in Eivissa at around 50% and at lower level (again not a surprise) in Bizkaia, at 0%, and more importantly these are EASTERN MEDITERRAN profile Romans, the conquerer of Iberia acheived his peak at IMPERIAL Era, not republical, and keep in mind that some Carthage/Phoenician/Greek/Or even Serfadic can be readed as "Roman", but we know for sure that most part of that DNA is indeed Roman, and by Roman i mean Roman citzens/legeonaries/settlers or even slaves with mostly "Greek" ancestry, as 30% of Imperial Rome samples were or fully Greek and up to 60% had substancial Greek, from Mainland, Aegean, Greek Anatolia or Greek speaking populations in Levant, but do not change the fact that they were all part of the born center of Greco-Roman culture.

[Eurafricanid]

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 1.3576% / 0.01357603
67.6 Italic
16.8 Eastern_Mediterranean
15.6 Germanic

[Damião de Góis]

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.8377% / 0.02837701
51.4 Italic
25.2 Germanic
13.2 Paleo_Balkan
9.4 Eastern_Mediterranean
0.8 Slavic

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.8867% / 0.03886715
41.8 Italic
30.4 Germanic
14.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
11.4 Paleo_Balkan
1.8 Turkic

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 4.6763% / 0.04676334
48.2 Italic
18.8 Germanic
16.8 Paleo_Balkan
7.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
5.4 Turkic
3.2 Slavic

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 3.4158% / 0.03415802
60.8 Italic
18.2 Germanic
10.4 Paleo_Balkan
10.2 Eastern_Mediterranean
0.4 Turkic