Modern Copts are the closest descendants of the ancient Egyptians

[Borealis]

With the kind help of one of our own members, Nee4speed111, who was used in this analysis.

Distance to: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.03155340 Sudanese_Copt:442
0.03289121 Nee4speed111_scaled(Egyptian copt)
0.03448262 Sudanese_Copt:451
0.03507260 Egyptian_Copt
0.04010188 Sudanese_Copt:441
0.04116685 Sudanese_Copt:485
0.04163231 Sudanese_Copt:452
0.04164214 Sudanese_Copt:318
0.04210297 Sudanese_Copt:443
0.04234753 Sudanese_Copt:316
0.04347427 Sudanese_Copt:450
0.04408351 BedouinA
0.04426782 Yemenite_Amran
0.04519735 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.04668252 Sudanese_Copt:315
0.04776069 Copt5
0.04937293 Palestinian
0.05198160 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.05497866 Jordanian
0.05518238 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.05568192 Yemenite_Jew
0.05917946 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.06152937 Samaritan
0.06217784 Sudanese_Copt:319
0.06490696 BedouinB

Distance to: EGY_Late_Period
0.03644006 Nee4speed111_scaled(Egyptian copt)
0.03839901 Sudanese_Copt:451
0.04001085 Sudanese_Copt:442
0.04176076 Egyptian_Copt
0.04236435 Sudanese_Copt:318
0.04439093 Sudanese_Copt:441
0.04449068 Sudanese_Copt:316
0.04687677 Sudanese_Copt:452
0.04730425 Sudanese_Copt:315
0.04819656 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.04820049 Sudanese_Copt:443
0.04848742 Sudanese_Copt:450
0.04939434 Yemenite_Amran
0.05008651 Sudanese_Copt:485
0.05073016 Copt5
0.05178746 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.05512937 Yemenite_Jew
0.05694519 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.05723044 BedouinA
0.05875959 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.06219038 Palestinian
0.06348335 BedouinB
0.06664471 Saudi
0.06669452 Samaritan
0.06757374 Jordanian


I then made a Coptic average and modeled it next to Egyptian and the two ancient Egyptian samples.

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 2.5200% / 0.02520031
65.4 Levant_PPNB
15.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.2 Dinka
5.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 3.1332% / 0.03133219
67.4 Levant_PPNB
13.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.2 Levant_Natufian
7.8 Dinka
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
Distance: 3.6404% / 0.03640412
72.0 Levant_PPNB
15.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Dinka
4.0 Levant_Natufian

Target: EGY_Late_Period
Distance: 3.5931% / 0.03593060
72.2 Levant_PPNB
13.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.8 Levant_Natufian
3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.6 Dinka

[Zanzibar]

With the kind help of one of our own members, Nee4speed111, who was used in this analysis.

Distance to: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.03155340 Sudanese_Copt:442
0.03289121 Nee4speed111_scaled(Egyptian copt)
0.03448262 Sudanese_Copt:451
0.03507260 Egyptian_Copt
0.04010188 Sudanese_Copt:441
0.04116685 Sudanese_Copt:485
0.04163231 Sudanese_Copt:452
0.04164214 Sudanese_Copt:318
0.04210297 Sudanese_Copt:443
0.04234753 Sudanese_Copt:316
0.04347427 Sudanese_Copt:450
0.04408351 BedouinA
0.04426782 Yemenite_Amran
0.04519735 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.04668252 Sudanese_Copt:315
0.04776069 Copt5
0.04937293 Palestinian
0.05198160 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.05497866 Jordanian
0.05518238 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.05568192 Yemenite_Jew
0.05917946 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.06152937 Samaritan
0.06217784 Sudanese_Copt:319
0.06490696 BedouinB

Distance to: EGY_Late_Period
0.03644006 Nee4speed111_scaled(Egyptian copt)
0.03839901 Sudanese_Copt:451
0.04001085 Sudanese_Copt:442
0.04176076 Egyptian_Copt
0.04236435 Sudanese_Copt:318
0.04439093 Sudanese_Copt:441
0.04449068 Sudanese_Copt:316
0.04687677 Sudanese_Copt:452
0.04730425 Sudanese_Copt:315
0.04819656 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.04820049 Sudanese_Copt:443
0.04848742 Sudanese_Copt:450
0.04939434 Yemenite_Amran
0.05008651 Sudanese_Copt:485
0.05073016 Copt5
0.05178746 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.05512937 Yemenite_Jew
0.05694519 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.05723044 BedouinA
0.05875959 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.06219038 Palestinian
0.06348335 BedouinB
0.06664471 Saudi
0.06669452 Samaritan
0.06757374 Jordanian


I then made a Coptic average and modeled it next to Egyptian and the two ancient Egyptian samples.

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 2.5200% / 0.02520031
65.4 Levant_PPNB
15.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.2 Dinka
5.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 3.1332% / 0.03133219
67.4 Levant_PPNB
13.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.2 Levant_Natufian
7.8 Dinka
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
Distance: 3.6404% / 0.03640412
72.0 Levant_PPNB
15.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Dinka
4.0 Levant_Natufian

Target: EGY_Late_Period
Distance: 3.5931% / 0.03593060
72.2 Levant_PPNB
13.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.8 Levant_Natufian
3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.6 Dinka

Looks like Egyptians do have minor Steppe as I thought. They probably got it from Greeks or Asiatic groups like Hyksos.

[StonyArabia]

What about Muslim Egyptians? Now the Afrocentrics are going to cry cry LOL

[nee4speed111]

Its due to the lack of CHG reference pop, once a CHG reference is included the steppe disappears.

[XenophobicPrussian]

These are late ancient Egyptians. Earlier ancient Egyptians were closest to Levantine Bedouins and closer to Levantines than modern Copts.

[Zanzibar]

These are late ancient Egyptians. Earlier ancient Egyptians were closest to Levantine Bedouins and closer to Levantines than modern Copts.

Wouldn't that be for Lower Ancient Egyptians? I think ancient Upper Egyptians would be genetically different?

[Leto]

What about Muslim Egyptians? Now the Afrocentrics are going to cry cry LOL
You go cry 'cause it was the Muzzies of which you are one who changed the demographics of Egypt, among other places.

[StonyArabia]

You go cry 'cause it was the Muzzies of which you are one who changed the demographics of Egypt, among other places.

Religiously and culturally but genetically not really the Arabian impact is very small in North Africa.

[Zanzibar]

These are late ancient Egyptians. Earlier ancient Egyptians were closest to Levantine Bedouins and closer to Levantines than modern Copts.

Can this be imply that Levantines were the founders or progenitors of ancient Egypt?

[nee4speed111]

Target: Nee4speed111_scaled
Distance: 2.2357% / 0.02235737
55.6 EGY_Late_Period
35.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
8.8 Sudan_MA_Kulubnarti

This is my ancestry modelled with Ancient Nile valley populations, Sudan_MA_Kulubnarti is a Nubian medieval christian sample, which implies that either coptic ancestry is more Upper Egyptian than our current ancient egyptian samples or Copts have actual medieval Nubian christian ancestry.

Here is another model.

Target: Nee4speed111_scaled
Distance: 1.5753% / 0.01575263 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.4 EGY_Late_Period
24.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
23.2 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
16.6 EGY_Hellenistic_contam
9.2 SDN_MA_Kulubnarti

Roman Near eastern outlier was a confirmed Egyptian gladiator according to the supp material, so the model seems pretty robust.

[samario]

Christians in the Middle East and Egypt are the ones who preserved genetic heritage the best.

[Borealis]

Its due to the lack of CHG reference pop, once a CHG reference is included the steppe disappears.
CHG+no levant_ppnb

Target: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
Distance: 4.3212% / 0.04321202
49.2 Levant_Natufian
29.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 GEO_CHG
8.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.4 Dinka

Target: EGY_Late_Period
Distance: 4.3321% / 0.04332086
54.0 Levant_Natufian
29.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.0 GEO_CHG
6.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 Dinka

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 3.3408% / 0.03340756
38.8 Levant_Natufian
29.8 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.8 Dinka
6.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 4.1052% / 0.04105223
50.0 Levant_Natufian
27.8 TUR_Barcin_N
9.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.4 GEO_CHG
6.2 Dinka

Target: Egyptian_Copt
Distance: 3.8103% / 0.03810300
50.6 Levant_Natufian
26.6 TUR_Barcin_N
10.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
7.2 GEO_CHG
5.6 Dinka

Target: Copt5
Distance: 4.1770% / 0.04177008
50.4 Levant_Natufian
28.0 TUR_Barcin_N
9.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.6 GEO_CHG
6.0 Dinka

Target: Nee4speed111_scaled
Distance: 5.0449% / 0.05044924
52.6 Levant_Natufian
27.6 TUR_Barcin_N
8.8 GEO_CHG
6.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.0 Dinka

[Zanzibar]

CHG+no levant_ppnb

Target: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
Distance: 4.3212% / 0.04321202
49.2 Levant_Natufian
29.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 GEO_CHG
8.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.4 Dinka

Target: EGY_Late_Period
Distance: 4.3321% / 0.04332086
54.0 Levant_Natufian
29.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.0 GEO_CHG
6.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 Dinka

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 3.3408% / 0.03340756
38.8 Levant_Natufian
29.8 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.8 Dinka
6.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 4.1052% / 0.04105223
50.0 Levant_Natufian
27.8 TUR_Barcin_N
9.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.4 GEO_CHG
6.2 Dinka

Target: Egyptian_Copt
Distance: 3.8103% / 0.03810300
50.6 Levant_Natufian
26.6 TUR_Barcin_N
10.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
7.2 GEO_CHG
5.6 Dinka

Target: Copt5
Distance: 4.1770% / 0.04177008
50.4 Levant_Natufian
28.0 TUR_Barcin_N
9.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.6 GEO_CHG
6.0 Dinka

Target: Nee4speed111_scaled
Distance: 5.0449% / 0.05044924
52.6 Levant_Natufian
27.6 TUR_Barcin_N
8.8 GEO_CHG
6.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.0 Dinka

I think the Natufian could be absorbing minor SSA or ANA for Egyptians?

You should also add Sudanese_Copt to the run. It seems the Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian and EGY_Late Period samples are from Lower Egypt. I wonder if ancient Upper Egyptian samples would score much more SSA?

[Borealis]

I think the Natufian could be absorbing minor SSA or ANA for Egyptians?

You should also add Sudanese_Copt to the run. It seems the Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian and EGY_Late Period samples are from Lower Egypt. I wonder if ancient Upper Egyptian samples would score much more SSA?

It is inevitable.

[Zanzibar]

It is inevitable.

Hmm what are you referring to?

[Borealis]

Hmm what are you referring to?

I dont think we should obsess over the exact amount of SSA or how much is hidden. My goal in this is not to determine that but model these samples in a way that illustrates their similarities.

[Zanzibar]

I dont think we should obsess over the exact amount of SSA or how much is hidden. My goal in this is not to determine that but model these samples in a way that illustrates their similarities.

Fair point. You were trying to model them to display the similarities between the ancients and moderns then.

[Borealis]

Another analysis, it seems that the distances we see between the Copts and the ancient Egyptians are practically due entirely to SSA admixture. Without it, they are effectively identical. Muslim Egyptians seem to have extra ancestry on top of their SSA.

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 2.2122% / 0.02212178
90.4 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
9.6 Dinka

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.6716% / 0.01671602
59.4 EGY_Late_Period
35.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
5.0 Dinka

While copts still come out as 94% ancient Egyptian when Lebanese is added, the Egyptians score a LOT of it and their fit improves a lot too.

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.5233% / 0.01523294
41.2 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
26.4 Lebanese_Christian
21.0 EGY_Late_Period
11.4 Dinka

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.6689% / 0.01668892
59.6 EGY_Late_Period
34.2 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
5.0 Dinka
1.2 Lebanese_Christian

[Leto]

Another analysis, it seems that the distances we see between the Copts and the ancient Egyptians are practically due entirely to SSA admixture. Without it, they are effectively identical. Muslim Egyptians seem to have extra ancestry on top of their SSA.

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 2.2122% / 0.02212178
90.4 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
9.6 Dinka

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.6716% / 0.01671602
59.4 EGY_Late_Period
35.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
5.0 Dinka

While copts still come out as 94% ancient Egyptian when Lebanese is added, the Egyptians score a LOT of it and their fit improves a lot too.

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.5233% / 0.01523294
41.2 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
26.4 Lebanese_Christian
21.0 EGY_Late_Period
11.4 Dinka

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.6689% / 0.01668892
59.6 EGY_Late_Period
34.2 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
5.0 Dinka
1.2 Lebanese_Christian
You'd better use a Canaanite or Levant Beirut sample instead of the modern Lebanese.

[Borealis]

You'd better use a Canaanite or Levant Beirut sample instead of the modern Lebanese.

I didnt know there were Canaanite samples, Levant Beirut is barely different to modern Lebs.

Levant Abel

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8359% / 0.01835875
48.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
21.2 EGY_Late_Period
19.6 Levant_Abel_IA
10.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP


Levant Ashkelon

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8573% / 0.01857331
59.4 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
14.2 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
13.2 EGY_Late_Period
10.2 UGA_Munsa_500BP
3.0 Levant_Ashkelon_IA1

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Levant_Beirut:
Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8031% / 0.01803057
51.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
17.2 EGY_Late_Period
14.0 Levant_Beirut_IAII
10.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP
6.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8695% / 0.01869502
63.8 EGY_Late_Period
28.2 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.8 UGA_Munsa_500BP
3.2 Levant_Beirut_IAII


It changes a little depending on which is used but the point is that Egyptian Copts don't score any, or very little as in the case of the very last run.

[Leto]

I didnt know there were Canaanite samples, Levant Beirut is barely different to modern Lebs.

Levant Abel

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8359% / 0.01835875
48.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
21.2 EGY_Late_Period
19.6 Levant_Abel_IA
10.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP


Levant Ashkelon

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8573% / 0.01857331
59.4 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
14.2 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
13.2 EGY_Late_Period
10.2 UGA_Munsa_500BP
3.0 Levant_Ashkelon_IA1

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Levant_Beirut:
Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8031% / 0.01803057
51.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
17.2 EGY_Late_Period
14.0 Levant_Beirut_IAII
10.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP
6.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8695% / 0.01869502
63.8 EGY_Late_Period
28.2 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.8 UGA_Munsa_500BP
3.2 Levant_Beirut_IAII


It changes a little depending on which is used but the point is that Egyptian Copts don't score any, or very little as in the case of the very last run.
Quite the difference. The Muslims aren't just Islamicized Copts with minor black.

[Borealis]

Quite the difference. The Muslims aren't just Islamicized Copts with minor black.

It's crazy how much Islam changed the genetics of entire regions. We see a similar pattern in the Levant with regard to Arabian ancestry(in the south) and Turkish ancestry(in the north) and in Mesopotamia with Iranic and Arabian ancestry.

What's interesting is that this ancestry in Muslim Egyptians is Levantine and not Arabian. We know it's not Arabian because they would score a lot more ancient Egyptian than they currently do.

[Leto]

It's crazy how much Islam changed the genetics of entire regions. We see a similar pattern in the Levant with regard to Arabian ancestry(in the south) and Turkish ancestry(in the north) and in Mesopotamia with Iranic and Arabian ancestry.

Turkish in the Levant? Maybe it's rather a Mesopotamian/Iranian thing? The Altaic signal in Eastern Turkey is laughably weak, some would feel like Tengri if it's 6-7% Mongoloid.


What's interesting is that this ancestry in Muslim Egyptians is Levantine and not Arabian. We know it's not Arabian because they would score a lot more ancient Egyptian than they currently do.
Interesting, I didn't expect that. I think many Palestinians in turn have Egyptian admixture. Being a Sunni Arabic speaker basically erases any borders for intermixing.

[Borealis]

Turkish in the Levant? Maybe it's rather a Mesopotamian/Iranian thing? The Altaic signal in Eastern Turkey is laughably weak, some would feel like Tengri if it's 6-7% Mongoloid.

Interesting, I didn't expect that. I think many Palestinians in turn have Egyptian admixture. Being a Sunni Arabic speaker basically erases any borders for intermixing.

A study showed that the northern ancestry present in the Syrian/Leb Muslims was mostly of Turkish and Caucasian origins. Mesopotamian influence certainly exists in eastern Syria which is a transition zone between the Levant and Mesopotamia proper(Iraq).

[Leto]

A study showed that the northern ancestry present in the Syrian/Leb Muslims was mostly of Turkish and Caucasian origins. Mesopotamian influence certainly exists in eastern Syria which is a transition zone between the Levant and Mesopotamia proper(Iraq).
Interesting how those Turks got assimilated as Arabs. Iraqi Turkmen I guess (already mostly Western Asiatics).

[Borealis]

Interesting how those Turks got assimilated as Arabs. Iraqi Turkmen I guess (already mostly Western Asiatics).

Yea, combined with the fact that there are still large Turkmen communities remaining in those nations. I wonder what allowed them to retain their identity while the other Turks were absorbed into the general populace, so thoroughly that most Arabs there have no idea of their partial Turkish ancestry.

[Zanzibar]

I didnt know there were Canaanite samples, Levant Beirut is barely different to modern Lebs.

Levant Abel

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8359% / 0.01835875
48.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
21.2 EGY_Late_Period
19.6 Levant_Abel_IA
10.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP


Levant Ashkelon

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8573% / 0.01857331
59.4 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
14.2 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
13.2 EGY_Late_Period
10.2 UGA_Munsa_500BP
3.0 Levant_Ashkelon_IA1

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Levant_Beirut:
Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8031% / 0.01803057
51.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
17.2 EGY_Late_Period
14.0 Levant_Beirut_IAII
10.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP
6.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8695% / 0.01869502
63.8 EGY_Late_Period
28.2 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.8 UGA_Munsa_500BP
3.2 Levant_Beirut_IAII


It changes a little depending on which is used but the point is that Egyptian Copts don't score any, or very little as in the case of the very last run.

Can you try Levant_Sidon_MBA, Levant_Hazor_MLBA or Levant_Megiddo_MLBA in the run?

Ashkelon_IA1 seems to be Philistines. One individual sample was even literally South Euro:

Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_IA1:ASH068
0.06537559 Italian_Campania
0.06543049 Italian_Basilicata
0.06617362 Greek_Kos
0.06679401 Italian_Calabria
0.06688970 Italian_Apulia
0.06899958 Greek_Laconia
0.06922775 Italian_Lazio
0.06947669 Italian_Molise
0.06991192 Greek_Izmir
0.07015019 Greek_Dodecanese
0.07023108 Italian_Abruzzo
0.07165732 Italian_Umbria
0.07174106 Sicilian_East
0.07196414 Greek_Crete
0.07367755 Maltese
0.07374210 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.07415329 Italian_Jew
0.07544803 Italian_Marche
0.07599122 Greek_Peloponnese
0.07635523 Sicilian_West
0.07653959 Romaniote_Jew
0.07687525 French_Corsica
0.07848014 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.07858603 Italian_Tuscany
0.07903588 Ashkenazi_Belarussia

Average for Ashkelon_IA1:


Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_IA1
0.03644389 Cypriot
0.03690516 Romaniote_Jew
0.03913442 Greek_Dodecanese
0.04225579 Greek_Kos
0.04279692 Sephardic_Jew
0.04320000 Italian_Jew
0.04853499 Syrian_Jew
0.04875422 Lebanese_Christian
0.04929416 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04936420 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.05018483 Italian_Calabria
0.05073939 Druze
0.05157089 Greek_Crete
0.05173292 Italian_Campania
0.05212617 Tunisian_Jew
0.05217253 Greek_Cappadocia
0.05270786 Lebanese_Druze
0.05349975 Libyan_Jew
0.05514816 Sicilian_East
0.05568827 Karaite_Egypt
0.05659295 Italian_Basilicata
0.05662226 Sephardic_Jew_o
0.05738275 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.05753005 Maltese
0.05764423 Italian_Apulia

Compared to Ashkelon_IA2 which is clearly a lot more Levantine:

Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.03524076 Samaritan
0.03877085 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.04184089 Lebanese_Christian
0.05071293 Lebanese_Druze
0.05081090 Druze
0.05324964 Palestinian
0.05343790 Lebanese_Muslim
0.05361747 Karaite_Egypt
0.05363618 Jordanian
0.05509988 Iraqi_Jew
0.05720852 Kurdish_Jew
0.06040828 Cypriot
0.06161843 Syrian_Jew
0.06321668 Syrian
0.06387706 Tunisian_Jew
0.06442567 BedouinA
0.06486240 Libyan_Jew
0.06665766 Yemenite_Amran
0.06853448 Iranian_Jew
0.06914708 Romaniote_Jew
0.07218726 Iraqi
0.07321368 Mountain_Jew
0.07419973 Georgian_Jew
0.07532704 Assyrian
0.07734775 Sephardic_Jew

[Zanzibar]

It's crazy how much Islam changed the genetics of entire regions. We see a similar pattern in the Levant with regard to Arabian ancestry(in the south) and Turkish ancestry(in the north) and in Mesopotamia with Iranic and Arabian ancestry.

What's interesting is that this ancestry in Muslim Egyptians is Levantine and not Arabian. We know it's not Arabian because they would score a lot more ancient Egyptian than they currently do.

Hmm would that imply that ancient Egyptians are very close and related to Arabians/Peninsular Arabs genetically?

[gixajo]

I´ve misread the title of the thread as" Modern Cops are the closest descendants of the ancient Egyptians".:picard1:

[Borealis]

Hmm would that imply that ancient Egyptians are very close and related to Arabians/Peninsular Arabs genetically?

Well, the Arabians score even MORE Natufian than ancient Egyptians do

Target: Saudi
Distance: 6.4539% / 0.06453878
69.6 Levant_Natufian
16.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.8 TUR_Barcin_N
2.0 GEO_CHG

Target: Yemenite_Amran
Distance: 4.5879% / 0.04587932
58.6 Levant_Natufian
20.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
17.8 TUR_Barcin_N
2.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
Distance: 4.4332% / 0.04433161
47.8 Levant_Natufian
28.8 TUR_Barcin_N
11.0 GEO_CHG
9.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: EGY_Late_Period
Distance: 4.3243% / 0.04324254
52.4 Levant_Natufian
29.2 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 GEO_CHG
6.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.0 MAR_Taforalt

So when you have a model that is Ancient Egyptian+some sort of Levantine+SSA, they will be getting very high ancient Egyptian and practically no Levantine, because levantines are way too ANF rich, let alone just Levant_N rich, let alone Natufian rich.

From what it looks like both the Arabians and ancient Egyptians+the copts are descendant from people who managed to preserve their Natufian vary well in the face of the ANF intrusion which the Levantines did not, and Arabians maintained it better for obvious reasons stemming from geography.

[Borealis]

Can you try Levant_Sidon_MBA, Levant_Hazor_MLBA or Levant_Megiddo_MLBA in the run?

Ashkelon_IA1 seems to be Philistines. One individual sample was even literally South Euro:

Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_IA1:ASH068
0.06537559 Italian_Campania
0.06543049 Italian_Basilicata
0.06617362 Greek_Kos
0.06679401 Italian_Calabria
0.06688970 Italian_Apulia
0.06899958 Greek_Laconia
0.06922775 Italian_Lazio
0.06947669 Italian_Molise
0.06991192 Greek_Izmir
0.07015019 Greek_Dodecanese
0.07023108 Italian_Abruzzo
0.07165732 Italian_Umbria
0.07174106 Sicilian_East
0.07196414 Greek_Crete
0.07367755 Maltese
0.07374210 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.07415329 Italian_Jew
0.07544803 Italian_Marche
0.07599122 Greek_Peloponnese
0.07635523 Sicilian_West
0.07653959 Romaniote_Jew
0.07687525 French_Corsica
0.07848014 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.07858603 Italian_Tuscany
0.07903588 Ashkenazi_Belarussia

Average for Ashkelon_IA1:


Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_IA1
0.03644389 Cypriot
0.03690516 Romaniote_Jew
0.03913442 Greek_Dodecanese
0.04225579 Greek_Kos
0.04279692 Sephardic_Jew
0.04320000 Italian_Jew
0.04853499 Syrian_Jew
0.04875422 Lebanese_Christian
0.04929416 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04936420 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.05018483 Italian_Calabria
0.05073939 Druze
0.05157089 Greek_Crete
0.05173292 Italian_Campania
0.05212617 Tunisian_Jew
0.05217253 Greek_Cappadocia
0.05270786 Lebanese_Druze
0.05349975 Libyan_Jew
0.05514816 Sicilian_East
0.05568827 Karaite_Egypt
0.05659295 Italian_Basilicata
0.05662226 Sephardic_Jew_o
0.05738275 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.05753005 Maltese
0.05764423 Italian_Apulia

Compared to Ashkelon_IA2 which is clearly a lot more Levantine:

Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.03524076 Samaritan
0.03877085 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.04184089 Lebanese_Christian
0.05071293 Lebanese_Druze
0.05081090 Druze
0.05324964 Palestinian
0.05343790 Lebanese_Muslim
0.05361747 Karaite_Egypt
0.05363618 Jordanian
0.05509988 Iraqi_Jew
0.05720852 Kurdish_Jew
0.06040828 Cypriot
0.06161843 Syrian_Jew
0.06321668 Syrian
0.06387706 Tunisian_Jew
0.06442567 BedouinA
0.06486240 Libyan_Jew
0.06665766 Yemenite_Amran
0.06853448 Iranian_Jew
0.06914708 Romaniote_Jew
0.07218726 Iraqi
0.07321368 Mountain_Jew
0.07419973 Georgian_Jew
0.07532704 Assyrian
0.07734775 Sephardic_Jew

You're right, that's why I tried to keep it simple and just use a modern for that purpose. The Levantine samples from those time periods are unsurprisingly all over the place. As you requested:

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8818% / 0.01881840
55.0 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
18.2 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
16.4 EGY_Late_Period
10.4 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8771% / 0.01877052
50.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
19.6 Levant_Sidon_MBA
19.4 EGY_Late_Period
10.4 UGA_Munsa_500BP


Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.9568% / 0.01956775
61.8 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
14.8 Levant_Hazor_MLBA
13.2 EGY_Late_Period
10.2 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.9304% / 0.01930413
58.0 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
17.0 Levant_Baqah_BA
14.6 EGY_Late_Period
10.4 UGA_Munsa_500BP

[Zanzibar]

You're right, that's why I tried to keep it simple and just use a modern for that purpose. The Levantine samples from those time periods are unsurprisingly all over the place. As you requested:

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8818% / 0.01881840
55.0 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
18.2 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
16.4 EGY_Late_Period
10.4 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.8771% / 0.01877052
50.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
19.6 Levant_Sidon_MBA
19.4 EGY_Late_Period
10.4 UGA_Munsa_500BP


Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.9568% / 0.01956775
61.8 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
14.8 Levant_Hazor_MLBA
13.2 EGY_Late_Period
10.2 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Copt_average
Distance: 1.8741% / 0.01874105
62.8 EGY_Late_Period
32.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
4.6 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Target: Egyptian
Distance: 1.9304% / 0.01930413
58.0 Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
17.0 Levant_Baqah_BA
14.6 EGY_Late_Period
10.4 UGA_Munsa_500BP

Thanks. Muslim Egyptians seem to have additional Levantine ancestry unlike Copts who seem to lack it. Samaritans are very close genetically to Sidon_MBA, Hazor_MLBA, Baqah_BA, Megiddo_MLBA, Abel_IA and cluster with them followed by Lebanese Christians and Palestinian Beit Sahour who seem to have more non-Levantine admixture than Samaritans.

[Alazair]

These are late ancient Egyptians. Earlier ancient Egyptians were closest to Levantine Bedouins and closer to Levantines than modern Copts.

Where did you get that from ? You don't even have "earlier ancient egyptian" samples

[Borealis]

Thanks. Muslim Egyptians seem to have additional Levantine ancestry unlike Copts who seem to lack it. Samaritans are very close genetically to Sidon_MBA, Hazor_MLBA, Baqah_BA, Megiddo_MLBA, Abel_IA and cluster with them followed by Lebanese Christians and Palestinian Beit Sahour who seem to have more non-Levantine admixture than Samaritans.

Yes, there seems to have been a wave of Mesopotamian ancestry that influenced the Levant which the Samaritans were excluded from, no idea why. It's part of the reason why people say that the Levant is just on a cline between the Arabian peninsula and Mesopotamia, which is kind of an oversimplification but has a lot of basis anyway.

[Kenshiro]

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High ancient Egyptian dna but less than Copt and more Subsaharan and Phoenicians