Poll Finns genetic similarity

[Zoro]

Which choice do you think depicts the correct choice of genetic similarity with Finns. Kurds are from Iraq. Feel free to post reason for your choice.

I’ll post results in a couple of days based on IBD chunks

[Lemminkäinen]

In which visual angle? Ask from Harkonnen if skull dimensions.

[Zoro]

In which visual angle? Ask from Harkonnen if skull dimensions.

Just genetic relatedness within the last 5000 to 10000 years

[Lemminkäinen]

Just genetic relatedness within the last 5000 to 10000 years

I suppose that in a single distance Kurds and Iranians are closest. My estimate is based only on a visual perception in streets though.

[Zanzibar]

Its either French>Sardinian>Kurd>Georgian or French>Kurd>Sardinian>Georgian.

[placebo]

I'm sure last Georgian. Phenotypically they're not last but genetically last.

I am still very surprised by the genetic results of the Georgians/Lazs.

[placebo]

I'm sure last Georgian. Phenotypically they're not last but genetically last.

I am still very surprised by the genetic results of the Georgians/Lazs.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/929423189157744650/unknown.png

i laughed so much

[Zanzibar]

I'm sure last Georgian. Phenotypically they're not last but genetically last.

I am still very surprised by the genetic results of the Georgians/Lazs.

Its very strange indeed. They have like negligible to literally 0% Steppe genetically especially Western ones like Laz, Mingrelian, Imereti, Adjara. Even their Anatolian Farmer ancestry seem to be almost entirely to totally indigenous to the area and not from European admixture.

But strangely, many are very light skin, eyes, hair and can even pass as "White" despite being genetically less Euro-shifted than their
Turkish, Armenian, Iranian and Azerbaijani neighbors. Their looks doesn't seem to correlate to their DNA and probably result of adaptation to chilly, wet and cloudy or foggy mountainous environment with a lot of rainfall.

Or it could be good Indicator that CHG were pretty light skin and "white/western looking" themselves as Georgians largely descended from them.

[Leto]

Let's post some G25 distances, shall we? Just to fucking piss the asshole Zoro off! xD

[Leto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/929423189157744650/unknown.png

i laughed so much
This is impossible. The other two are different races, not Caucasoid/West Eurasian. The French and Georgians are basically fully Cauc.

[Leto]

Dodecad:

Distance to: Finnish_East
34.35380328 French_Northwest
53.72979248 French_Southwest
74.32909390 Sardinian
75.79980805 Kurd_Kurmanji
76.94761660 Kurd_Sorani
80.17027255 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
84.56647917 Georgian_West

Distance to: Finnish_West
27.47571655 French_Northwest
47.09862206 French_Southwest
68.41869043 Sardinian
72.48061603 Kurd_Kurmanji
73.70852529 Kurd_Sorani
77.28469965 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
81.99862560 Georgian_West

[Sora]

Lol! None of them. The closest people to Finns more like;

1) Estonians
2) Baltic Finn peoples of NW Russia(Karelians, Ingrians & Vepsians) & Northwest Russians(since most of them are Russized Finnics)
3) Latvians & Lithuanians
4) Other Uralic peoples(mostly Mordovians & Komis and then Udmurts, Maris & Khanty-Mansi)

[Zoro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/929423189157744650/unknown.png

i laughed so much

Can’t be. If that’s G25 it’s alot worst than I thought

[Zoro]

Dodecad:

Distance to: Finnish_East
34.35380328 French_Northwest
53.72979248 French_Southwest
74.32909390 Sardinian
75.79980805 Kurd_Kurmanji
76.94761660 Kurd_Sorani
80.17027255 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
84.56647917 Georgian_West

Distance to: Finnish_West
27.47571655 French_Northwest
47.09862206 French_Southwest
68.41869043 Sardinian
72.48061603 Kurd_Kurmanji
73.70852529 Kurd_Sorani
77.28469965 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
81.99862560 Georgian_West

Not bad for an Admixture calculator. Almost correct with the E Finns.

[Zoro]

Lol! None of them. The closest people to Finns more like;

1) Estonians
2) Baltic Finn peoples of NW Russia(Karelians, Ingrians & Vepsians) & Northwest Russians(since most of them are Russized Finnics)
3) Latvians & Lithuanians
4) Other Uralic peoples(mostly Mordovians & Komis and then Udmurts, Maris & Khanty-Mansi)

Yeah but that’s not what’s the poll is about.

I’ll Post the closest on the furthest populations from Finns later

[Lemminkäinen]

Lol! None of them. The closest people to Finns more like;

1) Estonians
2) Baltic Finn peoples of NW Russia(Karelians, Ingrians & Vepsians) & Northwest Russians(since most of them are Russized Finnics)
3) Latvians & Lithuanians
4) Other Uralic peoples(mostly Mordovians & Komis and then Udmurts, Maris & Khanty-Mansi)

Pretty much right, but Udmurts, Maris, Mansis etc are more distant than South Europeans. Fst distance/std error:

West-Finland East-Finland
UK-Kent 0.005/0.0002 0.009/0.0003
West-Finland 0.002/0.0002
East-Finland 0.002/0.0002
CEU 0.004/0.0002 0.009/0.0002
Italy-Tuscan 0.010/0.0002 0.015/0.0003
Mordva 0.005/0.0002 0.008/0.0003
Mari 0.020/0.0004 0.021/0.0004
Estonia 0.002/0.0002 0.005/0.0002
Chuvash 0.012/0.0003 0.014/0.0003
Belarussia 0.005/0.0002 0.009/0.0003
Russia-Vologda 0.004/0.0003 0.006/0.0003
France 0.006/0.0003 0.011/0.0003
Norway 0.004/0.0002 0.008/0.0003
Poland 0.004/0.0002 0.008/0.0002
Spain 0.008/0.0004 0.013/0.0004
West-Russia 0.004/0.0002 0.008/0.0002
Hungary 0.004/0.0003 0.009/0.0003
Romania 0.007/0.0003 0.012/0.0004
Ukraine 0.004/0.0002 0.008/0.0002
Bulgaria 0.007/0.0003 0.011/0.0003
Sweden 0.003/0.0002 0.007/0.0003
Tatar 0.007/0.0003 0.010/0.0003
Croatia 0.006/0.0002 0.010/0.0003
Italy-Abruzzo 0.012/0.0003 0.017/0.0004
Italy-Sicily 0.013/0.0003 0.017/0.0004

People don't like it, neither Finnish scientists. Shame on them, sooner or later they have to admit. The Finns are like Poles with Siberian admixture. The Siberian is dominating factor making distances.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Let's post some G25 distances, shall we? Just to fucking piss the asshole Zoro off! xD

https://c.tenor.com/PjbjHnhQ7HEAAAAM/vladimir-putin-laugh.gif


Distance to: Finnish_Southwest
0.08170188 French_Brittany
0.08595449 French_Seine-Maritime
0.09038063 French_Nord
0.09058509 French_Alsace
0.09175472 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.09760494 French_Paris
0.10543202 French_Occitanie
0.10833062 French_Auvergne
0.11547157 French_Provence
0.12326260 French_South
0.19426643 Georgian_Tush
0.19732359 Georgian_Khevs
0.20646279 Sardinian
0.21242929 Kurdish
0.21386670 Georgian_Kart
0.21961734 Georgian_Kakh
0.22000926 Georgian_Svan
0.22184434 Georgian_Meskheti
0.22635456 Georgian_Laz
0.22816707 Georgian_Megr
0.22894520 Georgian_Imer
0.22930874 Georgian_Ajar


Distance to: Finnish_Southeast
0.08836148 French_Brittany
0.09450553 French_Seine-Maritime
0.09500032 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.09723739 French_Nord
0.09779794 French_Alsace
0.10257587 French_Paris
0.11199035 French_Occitanie
0.11431477 French_Auvergne
0.12047710 French_Provence
0.12963748 French_South
0.19819177 Georgian_Tush
0.20043186 Georgian_Khevs
0.21128041 Sardinian
0.21519095 Kurdish
0.21904748 Georgian_Kart
0.22200069 Georgian_Kakh
0.22390089 Georgian_Meskheti
0.22416649 Georgian_Svan
0.23037344 Georgian_Laz
0.23245447 Georgian_Megr
0.23292951 Georgian_Ajar
0.23364318 Georgian_Imer


Distance to: Finnish_North
0.10225408 French_Brittany
0.10682886 French_Seine-Maritime
0.11076586 French_Nord
0.11094837 French_Alsace
0.11136362 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.11763902 French_Paris
0.12557506 French_Occitanie
0.12813091 French_Auvergne
0.13443970 French_Provence
0.14250245 French_South
0.20414142 Georgian_Tush
0.20684554 Georgian_Khevs
0.22151609 Kurdish
0.22419714 Sardinian
0.22447785 Georgian_Kart
0.22881819 Georgian_Svan
0.23004202 Georgian_Kakh
0.23314569 Georgian_Meskheti
0.23782137 Georgian_Laz
0.23807055 Georgian_Megr
0.23954063 Georgian_Imer
0.23998435 Georgian_Ajar


Distance to: Finnish_East
0.10597466 French_Brittany
0.11174922 French_Seine-Maritime
0.11277857 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.11421599 French_Nord
0.11463805 French_Alsace
0.12008191 French_Paris
0.12886721 French_Occitanie
0.13085406 French_Auvergne
0.13655477 French_Provence
0.14615916 French_South
0.20683538 Georgian_Tush
0.20875604 Georgian_Khevs
0.22278493 Kurdish
0.22612162 Sardinian
0.22773816 Georgian_Kart
0.23094165 Georgian_Kakh
0.23183476 Georgian_Svan
0.23353381 Georgian_Meskheti
0.24001393 Georgian_Laz
0.24095416 Georgian_Megr
0.24199155 Georgian_Ajar
0.24263876 Georgian_Imer


Distance to: Finnish_Central
0.09116043 French_Brittany
0.09662965 French_Seine-Maritime
0.10016172 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.10037075 French_Nord
0.10071879 French_Alsace
0.10682099 French_Paris
0.11568815 French_Occitanie
0.11834251 French_Auvergne
0.12462249 French_Provence
0.13344553 French_South
0.19869719 Georgian_Tush
0.20127376 Georgian_Khevs
0.21614662 Kurdish
0.21617962 Sardinian
0.21944826 Georgian_Kart
0.22415492 Georgian_Kakh
0.22453488 Georgian_Svan
0.22663378 Georgian_Meskheti
0.23211110 Georgian_Laz
0.23325999 Georgian_Megr
0.23444225 Georgian_Imer
0.23453334 Georgian_Ajar

[Leto]

Phenotypically and culturally Georgians are definitely whiter than Kurds. The latter often resemble Gypsies.

[Leto]

[img]https://c.tenor.com/PjbjHnhQ7HEAAAAM/vladimir-putin-laugh.gif
Shockingly they are a bit closer to Georgians than to Sardinians! Even though Finns score very little Caucasus. It's the least Caucasian country in Europe.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Shockingly they are a bit closer to Georgians than to Sardinians! Even though Finns score very little Caucasus. It's the least Caucasian country in Europe.

They are closer to some Georgians than to Sards and Kurds.

[Lemminkäinen]

They are closer to some Georgians than to Sards and Kurds.

Finns have steppe, Sardinians are inbred early farmers. No need for explanation.

[Östsvensk]

Shockingly they are a bit closer to Georgians than to Sardinians! Even though Finns score very little Caucasus. It's the least Caucasian country in Europe.

At first, before re-reading your post, I thought you meant to say that Finland was the least Caucasoid country in Europe. Although that is perhaps true as well. :p

[Lemminkäinen]

At first, before re-reading your post, I thought you meant to say that Finland was the least Caucasoid country in Europe. Although that is perhaps true as well. :p

Many things can be perhaps true. I beg your pardon. You started a couple years ago well, but have later shown your negative feelings towards Finns. Have I hurted your Swedish self-importance?

[Östsvensk]

Many things can be perhaps true. I beg your pardon. You started a couple years ago well, but have later shown your negative feelings towards Finns. Have I hurted your Swedish self-importance?

I am only joking, sorry if it doesn't show through. I suppose that I play the devil's advocate too much sometimes.

[Zoro]

Its either French>Sardinian>Kurd>Georgian or French>Kurd>Sardinian>Georgian.

Well done. These results are by IBD chunks which indicates more recent relationship than simple IBS SNP to SNP. Also I filtered out the very ancient SNPs


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POPULATION
AVG IBD NORMALIZED


Finnish
100.0%


Russian
73.4%


Estonian
67.7%


Hungarian
66.7%


English
65.3%


Basque
61.3%


French
61.1%


Spanish
54.3%


Bulgarian
50.9%


Chechen
49.2%


Lezgin
47.9%


Abkhasian
47.1%


Adygei
45.4%


Saami
45.0%


KURDS-IRAQ
43.9%


Sardinian
40.8%


Crete
39.9%


Armenian
39.6%


Georgian
36.5%


Turks-Kayseri
35.9%


Ossetian
33.3%


Tajik
32.4%


Iranians-South
31.4%


Mansi
26.8%


Pashtun-Pak
25.7%


Brahui
22.3%


Burusho
21.8%


Uygur
14.7%


Sindhi
13.9%


Kalash
5.3%


Punjabi
3.8%


Makrani
3.7%


BedouinB
3.5%


Jordanian
3.0%


Saharawi
-1.5%


Kyrgyz
-2.5%


Tubular
-6.3%


Mala
-10.2%


Balochi
-11.8%


Altaian
-13.2%


Relli
-26.2%


Mozabite
-28.6%


Burmese
-36.0%


Even
-37.8%


Yakut
-47.3%


Tu
-49.7%


Han
-61.5%


Dai
-67.3%


Mayan
-76.9%


Ami
-77.5%


Pima
-81.9%


Karitiana
-111.7%


Surui
-115.2%


Masai
-129.9%


Papuan
-143.4%


Esan
-204.4%


Mbuti
-204.4%



Khomani
-204.4%

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[Lemminkäinen]

I am only joking, sorry if it doesn't show through. I suppose that I play the devil's advocate too much sometimes.

I see shit enough. Making jokes of it sound irrelevant.

[Zoro]

Some of the relationships with Finns are due to shared ENF, some WHG, some Steppe, some E. Eurasian and most due to a combination of these

[Östsvensk]

I see shit enough. Making jokes of it sound irrelevant.

I have Finnmark put as my region, which is to show that I have some Finnic admixture.

[Lemminkäinen]

I have Finnmark put as my region, which is to show that I have some Finnic admixture.

I assumed it. You said a while ago that you have ancestry in Vasa. It is disgusting how some Turks and Russians spread continuously rubbish here.

[Finnish Swede]

In which visual angle? Ask from Harkonnen if skull dimensions.


Yes, we definitely will need to hear the opinion of Black Finn now ...

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8954652dccd2f7a3a91d8b25127e6257/tumblr_p0lp0s9oTM1vtqp54o1_250.gifv

[Östsvensk]

I assumed it. You said a while ago that you have ancestry in Vasa. It is disgusting how some Turks and Russians spread continuously rubbish here.

Do you mean that Turks and Russians call Finns Mongoloids? TBH, I think Poles do that more than Russians. As for Turks, they do it because of the Uralic-Altaic (which is largely considered debunked in academia, but whatever) connection and because they are Turan nationalists.

[Leto]

I assumed it. You said a while ago that you have ancestry in Vasa. It is disgusting how some Turks and Russians spread continuously rubbish here.
What are you talking about? Do you still dislike me for no reason? I'm one of the few Russians here that regularly post about genetics. And I don't post shit about Finns either. Look through my threads for example, very few if any are about Finns.

[Leto]

Do you mean that Turks and Russians call Finns Mongoloids? TBH, I think Poles do that more than Russians. As for Turks, they do it because of the Uralic-Altaic (which is largely considered debunked in academia, but whatever) connection and because they are Turan nationalists.
Russians are called all sorts of things, Mongoloid wouldn't be the most offensive. That said, I do not associate with anyone who claims he/she is from Russia or has a Russian flag (I don't have it for my own reasons). Lemmin dislikes me because of my background and because he must have misunderstood something I once said.

[Finnish Swede]

Do you mean that Turks and Russians call Finns Mongoloids? TBH, I think Poles do that more than Russians. As for Turks, they do it because of the Uralic-Altaic (which is largely considered debunked in academia, but whatever) connection and because they are Turan nationalists.

Are you shame of your tiny amount of Finns blood? Do not be, there could be lots of worse option ... like Poles blood, Russian blood or Turk blood (just for example :)).

Meaning: Value people via what they are and what they do ... not based on some PCA plots of Europeans. Finns can be odd, but there are much worse features than that.

[Lemminkäinen]

Do you mean that Turks and Russians call Finns Mongoloids? TBH, I think Poles do that more than Russians. As for Turks, they do it because of the Uralic-Altaic (which is largely considered debunked in academia, but whatever) connection and because they are Turan nationalists.

Don't play stupid. No one cares of Mongoloids. Twisting history by fictitious claims and statistics. I have never done it with their history.

[Harkonnen]

Do you mean that Turks and Russians call Finns Mongoloids? TBH, I think Poles do that more than Russians. As for Turks, they do it because of the Uralic-Altaic (which is largely considered debunked in academia, but whatever) connection and because they are Turan nationalists.

Lemminkäinen is racist against anything eastern, especially mongoloids. So if somebody says something he sees as negative his brain automatically interprets it was said by Russian, Turk, or Karelian, even if it was actually said by Irish or whatever. Lemminkäinen also has that ability that is typical of modern leftists -- it is obvious he holds subconscious deeply racist values which he himself is incapable to notice of himself, and rather falsely sees himself as totally non-racist person.

[Aila]

Asperger's for example doesn’t discriminate, but sun does.
Got no problem with my (eastern) yellowy skin tone. Much better in Straya where so many people with light or pink complexion are battling with skin cancers.

I think there was a reason, why after the White Australia policy, when South Sea Islanders were deported, the sugarcane farms were taken over by Italians and Finns.
I just cannot see Irish working in the blazing hot sun all day.

[Finnish Swede]

Lemminkäinen is racist against anything eastern, especially mongoloids. So if somebody says something he sees as negative his brain automatically interprets it was said by Russian, Turk, or Karelian, even if it was actually said by Irish or whatever. Lemminkäinen also has that ability that is typical of modern leftists -- it is obvious he holds subconscious deeply racist values which he himself is incapable to notice of himself, and rather falsely sees himself as totally non-racist person.

With all respect now Harkonnen, at least 90% of TA members sees mongoloids someway negative. If you do not, then you're exception here.

Now partly that is even ''natural''. This is (or should be) European forum and secondly all events what Europeans have faced together with mongoloids have not been nice or positive. Lastly Europeans tends to keep themselves ''better'' than other races. As Europeans do that, and if they go to say that some other Europeans are not as pure Europeans as they are ... the negative context is crystal clear.

[Harkonnen]

With all respect now Harkonnen, at least 90% of TA members sees mongoloids someway negative. If you do not, then you're exception here.

Now partly that is even ''natural''. This is (or should be) European forum and secondly all events what Europeans have faced together with mongoloids have not been nice or positive. Lastly Europeans tends to keep themselves ''better'' than other races. As Europeans do that, and if they go to say that some other Europeans are not as pure Europeans as they are ... the negative context is crystal clear.

90% of TA members are complete utter morons. I'm disgusted by the maggot-level brain functions. Cows, lambs and other cookie-cutter heard animals. Be edge-lord or go home.

[Lemminkäinen]

Lemminkäinen is racist against anything eastern, especially mongoloids. So if somebody says something he sees as negative his brain automatically interprets it was said by Russian, Turk, or Karelian, even if it was actually said by Irish or whatever. Lemminkäinen also has that ability that is typical of modern leftists -- it is obvious he holds subconscious deeply racist values which he himself is incapable to notice of himself, and rather falsely sees himself as totally non-racist person.

Feel better now? I only wrote that some Russians and Turks twist our history.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Asperger's for example doesn’t discriminate, but sun does.
Got no problem with my (eastern) yellowy skin tone. Much better in Straya where so many people with light or pink complexion are battling with skin cancers.

I think there was a reason, why after the White Australia policy, when South Sea Islanders were deported, the sugarcane farms were taken over by Italians and Finns.
I just cannot see Irish working in the blazing hot sun all day.

There were thousands (the exact number isn't known but most likely a few thousand) that were sent to work in Jamaica by the English. Didn't go well for them because of diseases.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

90% of TA members are complete utter morons. I'm disgusted by the maggot-level brain functions. Cows, lambs and other cookie-cutter heard animals. Be edge-lord or go home.

This is the greatest post I've ever read.

[Lemminkäinen]

Funny how Finnish persons in this thread reveal their poor self-esteem. The question was about Caucasoid in the Finnish population. Then a Swede derailed and wrote something about Mongoloids and immediately Finns started to defend themselves and obviously attack me 🙂

[Lemminkäinen]

Russians are called all sorts of things, Mongoloid wouldn't be the most offensive. That said, I do not associate with anyone who claims he/she is from Russia or has a Russian flag (I don't have it for my own reasons). Lemmin dislikes me because of my background and because he must have misunderstood something I once said.

Let it be, I don't want to elevate Harkonnen's BP. I suppose that you are poorly informed about our history. Maybe your history books tiny mentions about our history or Russian forums explain things.

[Grace O'Malley]

Asperger's for example doesn’t discriminate, but sun does.
Got no problem with my (eastern) yellowy skin tone. Much better in Straya where so many people with light or pink complexion are battling with skin cancers.

I think there was a reason, why after the White Australia policy, when South Sea Islanders were deported, the sugarcane farms were taken over by Italians and Finns.
I just cannot see Irish working in the blazing hot sun all day.

I know this is most probably meant as a joke but the Irish of course were not adverse to working in the hot Australian sun. Many of the pioneer families in Australia were Irish.

One example below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Durack

[Harkonnen]

Feel better now? I only wrote that some Russians and Turks twist our history.

What the hell is your problem with Turks? What I can tell Turks see Finns and Mongoloids in positive light, and their positions on history don't really differ much from rest of the world -- be it right or wrong. On the other hand fex Spaniards throw the mongoloid on autofire and obviously meant in demeaning way. Yet you have no problems with noble Spaniard. And obviously that how the game works here, they throw the mong, and we throw the wog or whatever, unless be political ignomaruse like Lemminkäinen, and play the game with enemies rules, paint himself in corner with very little power. I'm just saying you are kinda little person who's rather the fool in a gang that is considered "cool" in a population of sheep, than a broski in a gang of brothers in blood and spirit.

[Finnish Swede]

90% of TA members are complete utter morons. I'm disgusted by the maggot-level brain functions. Cows, lambs and other cookie-cutter heard animals. Be edge-lord or go home.

Oh that is very true, but I also wrote my comments here (no doubt; the same statements could fit few other forums as well).

The only positive comment (with very big: just MAYBE) ... which I have seen have been in some discussions about IQ and/or PISA results of Finns. As Finns results used to be good vs many other (''purer''?) Europeans, some have simply explained Finns results via Finns ''mongoloid'' genes. Ok, no idea have even those been positive comments (as such) or more like neutral comments (what comes to Mongoloids), but in real again BS. The reasons are fully somewhere else.

[Lemminkäinen]

What the hell is your problem with Turks? What I can tell Turks see Finns and Mongoloids in positive light, and their positions on history don't really differ much from rest of the world -- be it right or wrong. On the other hand fex Spaniards throw the mongoloid on autofire and obviously meant in demeaning way. Yet you have no problems with noble Spaniard. And obviously that how the game works here, they throw the mong, and we throw the wog or whatever, unless be political ignomaruse like Lemminkäinen, and play the game with enemies rules, paint himself in corner with very little power. I'm just saying you are kinda little person who's rather the fool in a gang that is considered "cool" in a population of sheep, than a broski in a gang of brothers in blood and spirit.

Have anyone any song about Mongoloid wars to calm down Harkonnen?

[Lemminkäinen]

Oh BS. The reasons are fully somewhere else.

Mostly in Finland. Trying to blame other people sounds weird.

[Östsvensk]

Are you shame of your tiny amount of Finns blood? Do not be, there could be lots of worse option ... like Poles blood, Russian blood or Turk blood (just for example :)).

Meaning: Value people via what they are and what they do ... not based on some PCA plots of Europeans. Finns can be odd, but there are much worse features than that.

I have nothing against Finns. I do not hate a whole people and think that every individual who belongs to race X is beautiful and intelligent, while every individual who belongs to race Y is ugly and stupid.


Lemminkäinen is racist against anything eastern, especially mongoloids. So if somebody says something he sees as negative his brain automatically interprets it was said by Russian, Turk, or Karelian, even if it was actually said by Irish or whatever. Lemminkäinen also has that ability that is typical of modern leftists -- it is obvious he holds subconscious deeply racist values which he himself is incapable to notice of himself, and rather falsely sees himself as totally non-racist person.

Yeah, well, I get that some Slavs, Germanics and Meds use the Siberian component against Finns in a demeaning way and to place them lower on their racial ladders. If they want to hate Finns and get better sleep over that, what can I say?

[Lemminkäinen]

I have nothing against Finns. I do not hate a whole people and think that every individual who belongs to race X is beautiful and intelligent, while every individual who belongs to race Y is ugly and stupid.


😄





Yeah, well, I get that some Slavs, Germanics and Meds use the Siberian component against Finns in a demeaning way and to place them lower on their racial ladders. If they want to hate Finns and get better sleep over that, what can I say?

Likely no one hates Finns. Finns themselves act ridiculously. For example during the Sojvet era it was not enough to some Finns to say "I don't care". They had to say "Breznev is an absolute and always right". Even though he was not a Finn. Some of us have the same mentality about the Mongoloid topic. They can't just say they don't care, creating an atmosphere of dishonesty. Maybe the dishonesty is real.

[Harkonnen]

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Likely no one hates Finns. Finns themselves act ridiculously. For example during the Sojvet era it was not enough to some Finns to say "I don't care". They had to say "Breznev is an absolute and always right". Even though he was not a Finn. Some of us have the same mentality about the Mongoloid topic. They can't just say they don't care, creating an atmosphere of dishonesty. Maybe the dishonesty is real.

Finns fault oy vey We don't deserve these neighbours oy vey Non-Finn is an absolute and always right and fair and kind oy vey

[Aila]

I know this is most probably meant as a joke but the Irish of course were not adverse to working in the hot Australian sun. Many of the pioneer families in Australia were Irish.

One example below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Durack

No joke. Never heard of Irish sugarcane farmers, only Italians, Maltese and Finns and I thought it was because we all tan and do not burn so easily.
But I stand corrected :shocked:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2014-03-17/innisfail-irish-influence-runs-deep-for-the-towns-sugar-pioneers/5326518?nw=0

[Lemminkäinen]

Finns fault oy vey We don't deserve these neighbours oy vey Non-Finn is an absolute and always right and fair and kind oy vey

If no one would have told you about Mongoloids would you still insist about them? But because Meds, Yankees etc. gave us this idea let's cherish it. Very contradictory. Are you for or against those non-Finns?

Pretty much same dilemma than was with Finlandisierung. When some Germans started to blame us, many of us became even more Moscow-minded to prove being right.

[Finnish Swede]

I have nothing against Finns. I do not hate a whole people and think that every individual who belongs to race X is beautiful and intelligent, while every individual who belongs to race Y is ugly and stupid.

Yeah, well, I get that some Slavs, Germanics and Meds use the Siberian component against Finns in a demeaning way and to place them lower on their racial ladders. If they want to hate Finns and get better sleep over that, what can I say?
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Easy now ''Luleå'' I used word ''shame'' and you moved it to ''hate''. LOL. Seriously; there are some differences between those words in this context; or you should need to ''shame'' that part of yourself (tiny Finnish blood) very deeply if that causes hates against Finns.

Honestly Swedes via (lucky) history are one of the few people in Europe who should not ''hate'' anybody. Maybe that is part of the problem the country faces right now. And if I stick verbal knife even more deep into the flesh .... I say if Swedes should hate somebodies ... then it is Swedes themselves. How Swedes let their country become destroyed. And secondly? Those immigrants who do that at the moment in Sweden. But Finns? They have no roles neither of two.

[Finnish Swede]

If no one would have told you about Mongoloids would you still insist about them? But because Meds, Yankees etc. gave us this idea let's cherish it. Very contradictory. Are you for or against those non-Finns?

Pretty much same dilemma than was with Finlandisierung. When some Germans started to blame us, many of us became even more Moscow-minded to prove being right.

You are old and wise man Lemmi ... but if you really honest, you just can not overpass this like nothing. As it will influence many ways. Not saying that you could do much for it or even all Finns, but still.

Why you think Sweden had (was lucky to get) security quarantees from USA (Cold war time, even as Sweden was not being NATO member) and Finns surely did not.
Why USA, UK, France etc. left Finland alone at Winter War? Why they left Finland in the hands of Russians after WWII? Now ask would all those countries behaved similar ways if Sweden would have been in case? You know the answer. And where this difference comes from? Surely not via society structures or how democratic those countries are. Yes, this mongoloid part is one reason behind of that.

[Lemminkäinen]

Swedes have succeeded because they have had a Swedish consensus. Today some promlems exist. Finns have always been quarrelling people. We have 30 times more strikes on labour markets. Our national health care system is expensive and ineffective. In the past we could be proud of it, now queuing to doctor us about 30 days. You have to be half-dead to get it sooner. All this because we are all the time quarrelling. Maybe I can blame our Mongoloid past 😅

[Östsvensk]

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Easy now ''Luleå'' I used word ''shame'' and you moved it to ''hate''. LOL. Seriously; there are some differences between those words in this context; or you should need to ''shame'' that part of yourself (tiny Finnish blood) very deeply if that causes hates against Finns.

Honestly Swedes via (lucky) history are one of the few people in Europe who should not ''hate'' anybody. Maybe that is part of the problem the country faces right now. And if I stick verbal knife even more deep into the flesh .... I say if Swedes should hate somebodies ... then it is Swedes themselves. How Swedes let their country become destroyed. And secondly? Those immigrants who do that at the moment in Sweden. But Finns? They have no roles neither of two.

I am not ashamed of having Finnish blood (I highlight it in my profile) and Swedes who find Finnish ancestors when doing genealogy usually aren't, as far as I know. Some have a bit more than a tiny amount of Finnic admixture.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TFFaawV3n0I/AAAAAAAAChI/GulnWQazmV8/s1600/leunordicdb.jpg

[Finnish Swede]

Swedes have succeeded because they have had a Swedish consensus. Today some promlems exist. Finns have always been quarrelling people. We have 30 times more strikes on labour markets. Our NH system is expensive and ineffective. In the past we could be proud of it, now queuing to doctor us about 30 days. You have to be half-dead to get it sooner. All this because we are all the time quarrelling. Maybe I can blame our Mongoloid past 

Wrong. Swedes have at least partly succeed as they have be seen 1.) Germanic and 2.) Western. Not mongoloids!

Mongoloids opposite have been seen part of East. And East (in here Europe?) ... is Russians homeland, play field (or their ''business'').
Honestly this more a less will determinate whole existence of Finland (as a independent country). How mongoloid it is. Laugh if you want but someway true.
If it is enough, then next question goes .... why it is not part of Russian Emipire (as fitting there then pretty well ...)

[Aila]

Finns have always been quarrelling people.

Lol.

Well, cheers to us then :D

[Lemminkäinen]

I am not ashamed of having Finnish blood (I highlight it in my profile) and Swedes who find Finnish ancestors when doing genealogy usually aren't, as far as I know. Some have a bit more than a tiny amount of Finnic admixture.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TFFaawV3n0I/AAAAAAAAChI/GulnWQazmV8/s1600/leunordicdb.jpg

From the blog you probably got this picture. Totally rubbish



is that the "Finnish signal" (look at the line from the Swedes to Kuusamo) is due to the successive dilution of the unique genetic profile of an ancient indigenous Baltic population which has slowly been overwhelmed by people who brought agriculture from the South.

[Lemminkäinen]

Wrong. Swedes have at least partly succeed as they have be seen 1.) Germanic and 2.) Western. Not mongoloids!

Mongoloids opposite have been seen part of East. And East (in here Europe?) ... is Russians homeland, play field (or their ''business'').
Honestly this more a less will determinate whole existence of Finland (as a independent country). How mongoloid it is. Laugh if you want but someway true.
If it is enough, then next question goes .... why it is not part of Russian Emipire (as fitting there then pretty well ...)

I already blamed Mongols to keep Harkonnen calm :). You can be right. I only listed reasons in practice. All the time quarrelling, not capable to handle facts.

[Harkonnen]

If no one would have told you about Mongoloids would you still insist about them? But because Meds, Yankees etc. gave us this idea let's cherish it. Very contradictory. Are you for or against those non-Finns?

Pretty much same dilemma than was with Finlandisierung. When some Germans started to blame us, many of us became even more Moscow-minded to prove being right.

something something something and something and last supper and something something and something and what would Jesus say about sharing the bread among the condemned

https://youtu.be/7lrF1rkxAtI?t=381

[Lemminkäinen]

Lol.

Well, cheers to us then :D

Well, no one quarrell alone. Maybe you 🙂.

[Lemminkäinen]

something something something and something and last supper and something something and something and what would Jesus say about sharing the bread among the condemned

https://youtu.be/7lrF1rkxAtI?t=381

Just pathetic in this context.

[Harkonnen]

Just pathetic in this context.

Context is absolutely perfect and beautiful. It is not my problemo you absolutely fail at subcontext


Have anyone any song about Mongoloid wars to calm down Harkonnen?

[Finnish Swede]

Have anyone any song about Mongoloid wars to calm down Harkonnen?

Will this work?


https://youtu.be/eTU6FYQ_f4w

[Östsvensk]

From the blog you probably got this picture. Totally rubbish

It wasn't a blog that conducted the study, lol. It used few SNPs (45k), though.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131008164126/http://www.nordicdb.org/database/Map.html

[Lemminkäinen]

It wasn't a blog that conducted the study, lol. It used few SNPs (45k), though.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131008164126/http://www.nordicdb.org/database/Map.html

Alright. Here are always those bloggers and forumites who deny the known history if it contradicts with her/his favorite interpretations. This was one of these quoting this plot.

[Harkonnen]

Alright. Here are always those bloggers and forumites who deny the known history if it contradicts with her/his favorite interpretations. This was one of these quoting this plot.

Have teh Turks kept bullying you in your head

[Lemminkäinen]

Have teh Turks kept bullying you in your head

Not at this time. It was now Razib Khan who has had something against me for a long tume. He even bullied me more putting this picture to his blog

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/whats-the-matter-with-finland

I was very scared. Razib Khan, as far as I know, is a geneticist who doesn't care about anything else but his prejudices, but it probably gives only credit in certain circles.

[Harkonnen]

Not at this time. It was now Razib Khan who has had something against me for a long tume. He even bullied me more putting this picture to his blog

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/whats-the-matter-with-finland

I was very scared. Razib Khan, as far as I know, is a geneticist who don't care about anything else but his prejudices, but it probably gives only credit in certain circles.

Yet you worship these wogs. But I agree about this Razib guy, he is obvious dangerous wog supremacist. He is in same bucket with Spaniards for me.

[Finnish Swede]

Volga needs to deep inside of so called mongoloids lands (bit like Mordor in Lotr), right?


https://youtu.be/D0AIfmoDwFc

[Aila]

Many of the pioneer families in Australia were Irish.
One example below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Durack

Ok. This is off topic, but I just remembered I had seen the miniseries of the family many years ago:
“Kings in Grass Castles”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql6bo0VQaAI

Thanks. Must see it again since most of it is on YouTube.

[Russki]

Wrong. Swedes have at least partly succeed as they have be seen 1.) Germanic and 2.) Western. Not mongoloids!

Mongoloids opposite have been seen part of East. And East (in here Europe?) ... is Russians homeland, play field (or their ''business'').
Honestly this more a less will determinate whole existence of Finland (as a independent country). How mongoloid it is. Laugh if you want but someway true.
If it is enough, then next question goes .... why it is not part of Russian Emipire (as fitting there then pretty well ...)

Russians differ from Finns in the same direction as Germanic countries differ from Finns.

https://images.ctfassets.net/cnu0m8re1exe/cF22QTGYjRxzhL0MXb1s4/6e8d5ad1bff7583288bf9f324d68d4a7/journal.pone_.0016747.s003-.png?fm=jpg&fl=progressive&w=660&h=433&fit=pad

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/swedes-not-so-homogeneous

It contradicts your confused Fenno-Swedish identity, but it's none of my business.


Mongoloids opposite have been seen part of East.

East = Corded Ware and Sintashta.

West = Lapps and ancestors of Greta Thunberg.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Indo-European_expansions.jpg

[Petalpusher]

Swedes have succeeded because they have had a Swedish consensus. Today some promlems exist. Finns have always been quarrelling people. We have 30 times more strikes on labour markets. Our national health care system is expensive and ineffective. In the past we could be proud of it, now queuing to doctor us about 30 days. You have to be half-dead to get it sooner. All this because we are all the time quarrelling. Maybe I can blame our Mongoloid past ��

That's one similarity with France then.


Im surprised Basque is that high in Zoro's stats, and higher than even Saami, since they have almost no IE and eastern elements. I guess the high WHG type of stuff trumps everything else on both sides.

[Lemminkäinen]

Yet you worship these wogs. But I agree about this Razib guy, he is obvious dangerous wog supremacist. He is in same bucket with Spaniards for me.

Razib is a moron who got fired from (correction not Washington Post) NYT and, if rumors were true also from FtDna (idk for sure), but he is not alone making genetics as a personal fantasy. It is not worth to study genetics in word's best universities if you make your agenda based on anthro forum logic. I don't mean that people on anthro forums are imbeciles (of course not), but if you are making your genetic research still after your doctor graduation using inferior logic as Razib does, your time in the university was meaningless.

Here is what he wrote about his time at FtDna. Obviously there was some contradictions. I don't believe that "consumers" were able to throw him away. He uses term consumer of generic services instead of customer. There had to be something between him and FtDna.

I didn't know about his work at 23andMe. This explains much.


For about three years I consulted for Family Tree DNA. It was a great experience, and I met a lot of cool people through that connection. But perhaps the most interesting aspect was the fact that I can understand the various pressures that direct-to-consumer genomics firms face from the demand side. The science is one thing, but when you are working on a consumer facing product, other variables come into play which are you not cognizant of when you are thinking of it from a point of pure analysis. I’m pretty sure that my insights working with Family Tree DNA can generalize to the other firms as well (23andMe, Ancestry, and Genographic*).

[Roy]

Pretty much right, but Udmurts, Maris, Mansis etc are more distant than South Europeans. Fst distance/std error:

West-Finland East-Finland
UK-Kent 0.005/0.0002 0.009/0.0003
West-Finland 0.002/0.0002
East-Finland 0.002/0.0002
CEU 0.004/0.0002 0.009/0.0002
Italy-Tuscan 0.010/0.0002 0.015/0.0003
Mordva 0.005/0.0002 0.008/0.0003
Mari 0.020/0.0004 0.021/0.0004
Estonia 0.002/0.0002 0.005/0.0002
Chuvash 0.012/0.0003 0.014/0.0003
Belarussia 0.005/0.0002 0.009/0.0003
Russia-Vologda 0.004/0.0003 0.006/0.0003
France 0.006/0.0003 0.011/0.0003
Norway 0.004/0.0002 0.008/0.0003
Poland 0.004/0.0002 0.008/0.0002
Spain 0.008/0.0004 0.013/0.0004
West-Russia 0.004/0.0002 0.008/0.0002
Hungary 0.004/0.0003 0.009/0.0003
Romania 0.007/0.0003 0.012/0.0004
Ukraine 0.004/0.0002 0.008/0.0002
Bulgaria 0.007/0.0003 0.011/0.0003
Sweden 0.003/0.0002 0.007/0.0003
Tatar 0.007/0.0003 0.010/0.0003
Croatia 0.006/0.0002 0.010/0.0003
Italy-Abruzzo 0.012/0.0003 0.017/0.0004
Italy-Sicily 0.013/0.0003 0.017/0.0004

People don't like it, neither Finnish scientists. Shame on them, sooner or later they have to admit. The Finns are like Poles with Siberian admixture. The Siberian is dominating factor making distances.

I don't think Finns would be like Poles without their Siberian admixture, certainly not. They would be closer though.