Did Turkic invasions of Anatolia really made Anatolian population northern shifted?

[princeton90]

For sure, those invasions made Anatolian population made more eastern shifted because of Mongoloid admixture. However, doesn't Caucasoid part of Central Asian Turkics come from Iranians? Pre-Turkic Anatolians were genetically Anatolian Greeks and I am sure that they are not southern shifted than Iranians.

[Tellmewhy]

Yes. Caucasoid part of Medieval Turkics were like half Iranian and half North European, not fully Iranian like. A half North European and half Iranian person would surely be northern shifted than Anatolian Greeks.

[Kaspias]

Caucasid admixture of medieval Turks is not Iranian-like, not close at all.

Ignore the distances, I tried to isolate each component to see a meta-breakdown.


Target: TUR_Ottoman:MA2195
Distance: 4.0095% / 0.04009482
51.8 RUS_Baikal_N --> Asian/Siberian
30.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA --> Euro-like influence
18.2 TKM_Geoksyur_N --> BMAC-like influence

Target: KAZ_Kimak
Distance: 4.4291% / 0.04429063
50.0 RUS_Baikal_N
33.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
17.0 TKM_Geoksyur_N

Target: KAZ_Karluk
Distance: 4.8061% / 0.04806124
52.0 RUS_Baikal_N
25.4 TKM_Geoksyur_N
22.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA

Target: RUS_Nomad_MA
Distance: 3.1642% / 0.03164227
49.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
41.4 RUS_Baikal_N
9.4 TKM_Geoksyur_N

Target: KGZ_Turk
Distance: 4.3109% / 0.04310948
64.2 RUS_Baikal_N
30.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
5.8 TKM_Geoksyur_N

Target: KAZ_Kipchak
Distance: 4.5642% / 0.04564170
48.0 RUS_Baikal_N
33.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
18.6 TKM_Geoksyur_N

Target: KAZ_Karakaba_MA
Distance: 3.3499% / 0.03349917
57.0 RUS_Baikal_N
34.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
8.8 TKM_Geoksyur_N

[Leto]

Someone who is half Buryat, 1/4 Polish and 1/4 Balochi would strongly resemble some of the medieval Turkics.

[catgeorge]

No way - Turks look like a mix of Iranics and people of Turkmenistan

[Tellmewhy]

No way - Turks look like a mix of Iranics and people of Turkmenistan

Genetics disagree with your statement. Anatolian Turks are intermediate between Anatolian Greeks (Pre-Turkic Anatolians) and Medieval Turkics. Medieval Turkics have Iranian-like admixture but they are have siginificant North European component, which pulls them to the north of Anatolian Greeks. Turkic invasions made Anatolian population genetically northern.

[catgeorge]

Genetics disagree with your statement. Anatolian Turks are intermediate between Anatolian Greeks (Pre-Turkic Anatolians) and Medieval Turkics. Medieval Turkics have Iranian-like admixture but they are have siginificant North European component, which pulls them to the north of Anatolian Greeks. Turkic invasions made Anatolian population genetically northern.

Huh?

Whatever you say buddy. You are mutts - live with it. And look like Arabs mixed with Chinese

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png

[Tellmewhy]

Huh?

Whatever you say buddy. You are mutts - live with it. And look like Arabs mixed with Chinese

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png

I think you don't know much about population genetics.

[catgeorge]

I think you don't know much about population genetics.

What does it matter your Y Dna s largely Arab - Asiatic- Gypsoid.

[Tellmewhy]

What does it matter your Y Dna s largely Arab - Asiatic- Gypsoid.

K.

[princeton90]

Yes. Caucasoid part of Medieval Turkics were like half Iranian and half North European, not fully Iranian like. A half North European and half Iranian person would surely be northern shifted than Anatolian Greeks.

So, do you mean Medieval Turkics and North Europeans are closer to each other than Anatolian Greeks and North Europeans? It doesn’t sound correct at all.

[Tellmewhy]

So, do you mean Medieval Turkics and North Europeans are closer to each other than Anatolian Greeks and North Europeans? It doesn’t sound correct at all.

Being northern shifted doesn’t mean being closer to modern day North Europeans. Being northern shifted means having higher ANE + WHG. Modern day North Europeans are not 100% ANE + WHG. Medieval Turkics had higher ANE + WHG and therefore northern shifted than Anatolian Greeks.

[princeton90]

Being northern shifted doesn’t mean being closer to modern day North Europeans. Being northern shifted means having higher ANE + WHG. Modern day North Europeans are not 100% ANE + WHG. Medieval Turkics had higher ANE + WHG and therefore northern shifted than Anatolian Greeks.

Why not just WHG but ANE + WHG?

[Hektor12]

Whatever you say buddy. You are mutts - live with it. And look like Arabs mixed with Chinese

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png

%8,9 J1 and % 0,19 O is "Arabs mixed with Chinese" in Greek world?

Ok bro. :cool:

[Tellmewhy]

Why not just WHG but ANE + WHG?

Because it peaks in Siberia and Siberia is in the North.

[altai]

Personally i think that our ancestors mixed with iranian-like people like the saka which also lived in central asia, before they entered persia. These people were also nomads btw.

[princeton90]

Because it peaks in Siberia and Siberia is in the North.

Okay, but I still cannot consider ANE as a northern component. It is rather an eastern component. I mean, ANE might be northern shifted, but it is just as northern as EEF.

[altai]

Its quite funny that you call us mutts although it is known that according to Peter Andrews there are currently 51 ethnic groups living in anatolia and not all of them are turks. So your comment makes no sense. It's the same when you say that everyone from the usa looks mixed although you know that different ethnic groups live in this country.

[Peterski]

Caucasoid part of Central Asian Turkics comes from Northern Iranics.

Northern Iranics were not like modern Persians or Kurds.