What ethnicity am I? Please help

[lenzhka]

Hello, I did a DNA test from ADNTRO because it was recommended to me by friends. However, I don't know how to interpret the results :

Central Europe 59.9%
59.9% Austria, Hungary, Czech, Slovakia

North Europe 22.1%
14.8% Finland
7.2% British

East Europe 11.9%
11.9% Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Romania

Central and South Asia 6.0%
6.0% Indian


I also tried Gedmatch. This is my Kit PZ8626657

MDLP K16

Population
Amerindian -
Ancestor -
Steppe 19.65 Pct
Indian 2.11 Pct
Arctic 0.67 Pct
Australian 0.28 Pct
Caucasian 21.8 Pct
EastAfrican 0.35 Pct
NorthEastEuropean 26.5 Pct
NearEast 1.73 Pct
Neolithic 23.37 Pct
NorthAfrican 0.59 Pct
Oceanic 1.39 Pct
Siberian 1.49 Pct
SouthEastAsian -
Subsaharian 0.08 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 3.71
2 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 3.72
3 German (Germany) 3.89
4 Slovak (Slovakia) 3.91
5 Dane (Denmark) 4.09
6 Pole (Wroclaw) 4.16
7 Hungarian (Hungary) 4.17
8 Czech (Czechia) 4.19
9 Pole (EastPoland) 4.27
10 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.39
11 Croat (Croatia) 4.53
12 Dutch (Netherlands) 4.8
13 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 4.91
14 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.1
15 Pole (WestPoland) 5.17
16 German (NorthGermany) 5.18
17 Welsh (Wales) 5.2
18 Sorb (Lusatia) 5.29
19 Hungarian (Budapest) 5.3
20 Austrian (Austria) 5.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.2% Hungarian (WestUkraine) + 37.8% Cossack (Zaporozhie) @ 1.72
2 84.9% Swede (Sweden) + 15.1% Assyrian (Iran) @ 1.8
3 86.4% Swede (Sweden) + 13.6% Azerbaijani (Baku) @ 1.89
4 87.1% Swede (Sweden) + 12.9% Jew (Iran) @ 1.91
5 90.8% Hungarian (WestUkraine) + 9.2% Yaghnobi (Zarafshan ) @ 2.04


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_England +25% Gagauz_Gagauzia +25% Russian_Russia @ 1.590488


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belarusian_Kobryn_Brest + English_England + Greek_Peloponnes + Ingrians_Ingermanland @ 1.266020
2 Greek_Peloponnes + Ingrians_Ingermanland + Irish_Munster + Ukrainians_north_NorthUkraine @ 1.329265
3 Hungarian_WestUkraine + Irish_Munster + Romanian_Romania + Russians-West_WestRussian @ 1.341777
4 Greek_Peloponnes + Ingrians_Ingermanland + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Ukrainians_north_NorthUkraine @ 1.355678
5 Cossack_Kuban + Irish_Munster + Romanian_Romania + Ukrainians_west_WestUkraine @ 1.368093


Eurogenes K13

Population
North_Atlantic 35.2 Pct
Baltic 36.2 Pct
West_Med 7.44 Pct
West_Asian 3.82 Pct
East_Med 9.42 Pct
Red_Sea 2.3 Pct
South_Asian 1.24 Pct
East_Asian 0.7 Pct
Siberian 1.5 Pct
Amerindian 0.52 Pct
Oceanian 0.95 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.7 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 7.66
2 South_Polish 8.43
3 East_German 8.6
4 Austrian 9.53
5 Croatian 10.25
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.46
7 Southwest_Finnish 10.85
8 North_Swedish 10.93
9 Ukrainian 11
10 Polish 11.04
11 Moldavian 12.91
12 Southwest_Russian 13.36
13 Belorussian 13.37
14 Russian_Smolensk 13.59
15 Estonian_Polish 13.87
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.01
17 Finnish 14.15
18 North_German 14.45
19 Swedish 14.47
20 Serbian 14.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.4% Southwest_Finnish + 15.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.81
2 82.4% Southwest_Finnish + 17.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.83
3 81.4% Southwest_Finnish + 18.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.88
4 81.5% Southwest_Finnish + 18.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.88
5 78.8% Southwest_Finnish + 21.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.92

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Finnish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Swedish @ 4.537736


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazi + Estonian + La_Brana-1 + Swedish @ 4.015976
2 Ashkenazi + Estonian + La_Brana-1 + North_Swedish @ 4.046968
3 Belorussian + La_Brana-1 + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.058064
4 Ashkenazi + Estonian + North_Swedish + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.132333
5 Italian_Abruzzo + La_Brana-1 + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.152081




Can you help me to find out which ethnicity I could have?

[Blondie]

Can you help me to find out which ethnicity I could have?

Depends on what is your native language and identity, german? Then you are german. But your genetic is pretty eastern shifted.

[Leto]

Hi,
You seem to be some kind of Central European. Are you of mixed ethnicity or adopted?

[Kyp]

I don't know.. Where are you from?
Could be some Central European Slavic nation or Slav-German mix

Eastern shifted German also a possibility (with some distant Slavic ancestry)

Distance to: lenzhka
6.53821076 Czech
6.58279576 Austrian_Carinthia
7.40892030 Sorb
7.86594559 Slovak
8.05556950 German_West_Prussia
8.23575133 Hungarian_North
8.26635349 German_Saxony
8.93021276 Slovenian
8.98463132 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
9.02820580 German_Farther_Pomerania
9.03276812 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
9.27614144 German_North_Bohemia
9.35116570 Upper_Silesia
9.40383964 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
9.52519291 Polish_South
9.62553895 Croat_North
9.80280572 Hungarian
10.12159572 Polish_Lesser_Poland
10.20636566 Polish_Greater_Poland
10.49914282 German_County_Glatz
10.52102657 Polish_Subcarpathia
10.52938270 Hungarian_Alföld
10.55114686 Ukrainian_Galicia
10.60400868 Austrian
10.94284241 German_East_Prussia_Masuria

[lenzhka]

Depends on what is your native language and identity, german? Then you are german. But your genetic is pretty eastern shifted.

Well I don't mean nationality. My native languages are slovak / german. :/

[lenzhka]

I would say mixed, because my father is adopted (& My mother don't want anything to do with heritage)
Honestly I don't know

[Blondie]

Well I don't mean nationality. My native languages are slovak / german. :/

Are your parents slovaks or zipser germans?

[lenzhka]

I don't know.. Where are you from?
Could be some Central European Slavic nation or Slav-German mix

I was born in Germany, but my parents don't have a German surname. I don't know if I'm a mix, but I assume so. That's why I turn to this forum, because I don't know how to interpret the results. Especially 6% India or Semitic populations in "Mixed Mode Population Sharing" :confused:

[mariusz99]

You should buy 23andme or Ancestry dna test and after that you will have the most detailed information about your ancestry.

[PaulieVanZant]

Adntro is far from reliable, especially for non Southern Europeans. (It showed me African heritage and a pretty high percentage at that, even though no other calculator, including Gedmatch showed me any at all)
As mentioned before, try 23andme, Ancestry or even MyHeritage.

Deinen GedMatch Ergebnissen nach zu urteilen bist du östlich geneigte Zentraleuopäerin (könnte durchaus Slowakei oder Ungarn sein), welche irgendwann wohl mal einen Ashkenazischen Vorfahren hatte.

[TheMaestro]

I was born in Germany, but my parents don't have a German surname. I don't know if I'm a mix, but I assume so. That's why I turn to this forum, because I don't know how to interpret the results. Especially 6% India or Semitic populations in "Mixed Mode Population Sharing" :confused:

What's your surname if I may ask, you can rep it to me. You also have minor Indian admixtures, could be partly gypsy. Based of those results I think you would plot probably around Eastern Germany /SW Poland? If we exclude the Indian component.

[lenzhka]

Adntro is far from reliable, especially for non Southern Europeans. (It showed me African heritage and a pretty high percentage at that, even though no other calculator, including Gedmatch showed me any at all)
As mentioned before, try 23andme, Ancestry or even MyHeritage.

Deinen GedMatch Ergebnissen nach zu urteilen bist du östlich geneigte Zentraleuopäerin (könnte durchaus Slowakei oder Ungarn sein), welche irgendwann wohl mal einen Ashkenazischen Vorfahren hatte.

Weißt du zufällig wie lange 23AndMe braucht, bis die Ergebnisse generiert sind?

Ja, ich gehe auch davon aus. Bin mir jedoch nicht voll und ganz sicher. Werde mich demnächst mit meiner Familiengeschichte auseinandersetzen.

[lenzhka]

What's your surname if I may ask, you can rep it to me. You also have minor Indian admixtures, could be partly gypsy. Based of those results I think you would plot probably around Eastern Germany /SW Poland? If we exclude the Indian component.

Ofc, it's okay. My surname is Robić.
I think so, should I try the Eurogenes K36 map?

[Ljubic]

23andMe braucht meiner Erfahrung nach 2 Monate, allerdings ist der Versand nach Deutschland sehr teuer. Robic ist übrigens ein Kroatischer Nachname. Da dein Vater allerdings adoptiert wurde bedeutet das ja leider nichts.

[TheMaestro]

Ofc, it's okay. My surname is Robić.
I think so, should I try the Eurogenes K36 map?

That is probably South-Slavic surname, but you've said you father was adopted? Therefore it would be irellevant. Maybe a N + NE Shifted Slovenian.
Could you post me your puntDNAL K13 global oracle-4 results please? Gedmatch essentially predicts your ethnicity. But if you would be half Irish half Greek it would predict you to be German if you know what I mean.

[Loki]

Always funny when non-native English speakers use "have" in sentences, like "I have 28 years", or "I have 6 feet". This is all incorrect English.

The correct grammar for this thread is:

"What ethnicity am I?"

Or, "I am 28 years old". Or simply "I am 28".

[lenzhka]

That is probably South-Slavic surname, but you've said you father was adopted? Therefore it would be irellevant. Maybe a N + NE Shifted Slovenian.
Could you post me your puntDNAL K13 global oracle-4 results please? Gedmatch essentially predicts your ethnicity. But if you would be half Irish half Greek it would predict you to be German if you know what I mean.

Here we go

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 50.42
2 SW_Europe 26.88
3 West_Asia 9.58
4 SW_Asia 5.76
5 NE_Asia 1.43
6 Americas 1.31
7 South_Asia 1.16
8 Oceania 1.09


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Finnish + Romanian + Slovak + Utahn_European @ 3.399828
2 Finnish + Moldavian + Serbian + Utahn_European @ 3.471700
3 Finnish + Romanian + Slovene + Utahn_European @ 3.488104
4 English + Finnish + Romanian + Slovak @ 3.513301
5 Belgian + Finnish + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.519356
6 English + Finnish + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.528189
7 Estonian + Finnish + Italian_Sicilian + Utahn_European @ 3.539081
8 Finnish + German_South + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.577572
9 Finnish + Irish + Romanian + Slovak @ 3.590240
10 Ashkenazy_Jew + Estonian + Finnish + Utahn_European @ 3.593119
11 Belarusian + Estonian + Estonian + Italian_Sicilian @ 3.593521
12 Finnish + Orcadian + Romanian + Slovak @ 3.596070
13 Finnish + Hungarian + Romanian + Utahn_European @ 3.604830
14 Finnish + Moldavian + Romanian + Utahn_European @ 3.610094
15 Belarusian + Estonian + Italian_Sicilian + Russian @ 3.611071
16 Finnish + Moldavian + Moldavian + Utahn_European @ 3.615495
17 Estonian + Finnish + Irish + Italian_Sicilian @ 3.615675
18 Finnish + Italian_Sicilian + Lithuanian + Utahn_European @ 3.623888
19 Estonian + Finnish + Italian_Sicilian + Orcadian @ 3.625777
20 Bosnian + Finnish + Moldavian + Utahn_European @ 3.626312

[lenzhka]

Always funny when non-native English speakers use "have" in sentences, like "I have 28 years", or "I have 6 feet". This is all incorrect English.

The correct grammar for this thread is:

"What ethnicity am I?"

Or, "I am 28 years old". Or simply "I am 28".

Thank you! I corrected the thread)

[TheMaestro]

Here we go

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 50.42
2 SW_Europe 26.88
3 West_Asia 9.58
4 SW_Asia 5.76
5 NE_Asia 1.43
6 Americas 1.31
7 South_Asia 1.16
8 Oceania 1.09


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Finnish + Romanian + Slovak + Utahn_European @ 3.399828
2 Finnish + Moldavian + Serbian + Utahn_European @ 3.471700
3 Finnish + Romanian + Slovene + Utahn_European @ 3.488104
4 English + Finnish + Romanian + Slovak @ 3.513301
5 Belgian + Finnish + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.519356
6 English + Finnish + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.528189
7 Estonian + Finnish + Italian_Sicilian + Utahn_European @ 3.539081
8 Finnish + German_South + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.577572
9 Finnish + Irish + Romanian + Slovak @ 3.590240
10 Ashkenazy_Jew + Estonian + Finnish + Utahn_European @ 3.593119
11 Belarusian + Estonian + Estonian + Italian_Sicilian @ 3.593521
12 Finnish + Orcadian + Romanian + Slovak @ 3.596070
13 Finnish + Hungarian + Romanian + Utahn_European @ 3.604830
14 Finnish + Moldavian + Romanian + Utahn_European @ 3.610094
15 Belarusian + Estonian + Italian_Sicilian + Russian @ 3.611071
16 Finnish + Moldavian + Moldavian + Utahn_European @ 3.615495
17 Estonian + Finnish + Irish + Italian_Sicilian @ 3.615675
18 Finnish + Italian_Sicilian + Lithuanian + Utahn_European @ 3.623888
19 Estonian + Finnish + Italian_Sicilian + Orcadian @ 3.625777
20 Bosnian + Finnish + Moldavian + Utahn_European @ 3.626312

I would like to see the :

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:

[lenzhka]

I would like to see the :

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian @ 5.554291
2 Slovak @ 5.774674
3 German_North @ 6.957169
4 Slovene @ 7.447819
5 Hungarian @ 9.001626
6 Utahn_European @ 9.281688
7 Belarusian @ 9.294938
8 Norwegian @ 9.373788
9 Moldavian @ 9.737874
10 Irish @ 9.987081
11 Swedish @ 10.064339
12 English @ 10.337108
13 Orcadian @ 10.454212
14 Scottish @ 10.738628
15 Croatian @ 11.352043
16 Bosnian @ 12.286316
17 Mordovian @ 12.536816
18 German_South @ 12.561243
19 Belgian @ 12.562678
20 Russian @ 13.598026

[TheMaestro]

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian @ 5.554291
2 Slovak @ 5.774674
3 German_North @ 6.957169
4 Slovene @ 7.447819
5 Hungarian @ 9.001626
6 Utahn_European @ 9.281688
7 Belarusian @ 9.294938
8 Norwegian @ 9.373788
9 Moldavian @ 9.737874
10 Irish @ 9.987081
11 Swedish @ 10.064339
12 English @ 10.337108
13 Orcadian @ 10.454212
14 Scottish @ 10.738628
15 Croatian @ 11.352043
16 Bosnian @ 12.286316
17 Mordovian @ 12.536816
18 German_South @ 12.561243
19 Belgian @ 12.562678
20 Russian @ 13.598026

So you plot around Slovakia and Ukraine, which I actually guessed because of the minor Indian admixture which shifts your results to SE towards Asia.

[Loki]

Thank you! I corrected the thread)

You're very welcome :)

As for your ethnicity, my guess is that you are Roma. Maybe not full Roma, but with one Roma parent, and the rest a mix of Eastern European and Germanic.

[Roy]

Adntro is far from reliable, especially for non Southern Europeans. (It showed me African heritage and a pretty high percentage at that, even though no other calculator, including Gedmatch showed me any at all)
As mentioned before, try 23andme, Ancestry or even MyHeritage.

Deinen GedMatch Ergebnissen nach zu urteilen bist du östlich geneigte Zentraleuopäerin (könnte durchaus Slowakei oder Ungarn sein), welche irgendwann wohl mal einen Ashkenazischen Vorfahren hatte.


Yeah, it is quite unlikely for her to have Indian or Roma ancestry.

[Jana]

Ofc, it's okay. My surname is Robić.
I think so, should I try the Eurogenes K36 map?

Robić is a ethnic Croatian surname (peaking around central Croatia). Is it his birth surname or one given when he was adopted?

[SouthDutch7991]

Hello, I did a DNA test from ADNTRO because it was recommended to me by friends. However, I don't know how to interpret the results :

Central Europe 59.9%
59.9% Austria, Hungary, Czech, Slovakia

North Europe 22.1%
14.8% Finland
7.2% British

East Europe 11.9%
11.9% Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Romania

Central and South Asia 6.0%
6.0% Indian


I also tried Gedmatch. This is my Kit PZ8626657

MDLP K16

Population
Amerindian -
Ancestor -
Steppe 19.65 Pct
Indian 2.11 Pct
Arctic 0.67 Pct
Australian 0.28 Pct
Caucasian 21.8 Pct
EastAfrican 0.35 Pct
NorthEastEuropean 26.5 Pct
NearEast 1.73 Pct
Neolithic 23.37 Pct
NorthAfrican 0.59 Pct
Oceanic 1.39 Pct
Siberian 1.49 Pct
SouthEastAsian -
Subsaharian 0.08 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 3.71
2 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 3.72
3 German (Germany) 3.89
4 Slovak (Slovakia) 3.91
5 Dane (Denmark) 4.09
6 Pole (Wroclaw) 4.16
7 Hungarian (Hungary) 4.17
8 Czech (Czechia) 4.19
9 Pole (EastPoland) 4.27
10 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.39
11 Croat (Croatia) 4.53
12 Dutch (Netherlands) 4.8
13 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 4.91
14 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.1
15 Pole (WestPoland) 5.17
16 German (NorthGermany) 5.18
17 Welsh (Wales) 5.2
18 Sorb (Lusatia) 5.29
19 Hungarian (Budapest) 5.3
20 Austrian (Austria) 5.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.2% Hungarian (WestUkraine) + 37.8% Cossack (Zaporozhie) @ 1.72
2 84.9% Swede (Sweden) + 15.1% Assyrian (Iran) @ 1.8
3 86.4% Swede (Sweden) + 13.6% Azerbaijani (Baku) @ 1.89
4 87.1% Swede (Sweden) + 12.9% Jew (Iran) @ 1.91
5 90.8% Hungarian (WestUkraine) + 9.2% Yaghnobi (Zarafshan ) @ 2.04


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_England +25% Gagauz_Gagauzia +25% Russian_Russia @ 1.590488


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belarusian_Kobryn_Brest + English_England + Greek_Peloponnes + Ingrians_Ingermanland @ 1.266020
2 Greek_Peloponnes + Ingrians_Ingermanland + Irish_Munster + Ukrainians_north_NorthUkraine @ 1.329265
3 Hungarian_WestUkraine + Irish_Munster + Romanian_Romania + Russians-West_WestRussian @ 1.341777
4 Greek_Peloponnes + Ingrians_Ingermanland + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Ukrainians_north_NorthUkraine @ 1.355678
5 Cossack_Kuban + Irish_Munster + Romanian_Romania + Ukrainians_west_WestUkraine @ 1.368093


Eurogenes K13

Population
North_Atlantic 35.2 Pct
Baltic 36.2 Pct
West_Med 7.44 Pct
West_Asian 3.82 Pct
East_Med 9.42 Pct
Red_Sea 2.3 Pct
South_Asian 1.24 Pct
East_Asian 0.7 Pct
Siberian 1.5 Pct
Amerindian 0.52 Pct
Oceanian 0.95 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.7 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 7.66
2 South_Polish 8.43
3 East_German 8.6
4 Austrian 9.53
5 Croatian 10.25
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.46
7 Southwest_Finnish 10.85
8 North_Swedish 10.93
9 Ukrainian 11
10 Polish 11.04
11 Moldavian 12.91
12 Southwest_Russian 13.36
13 Belorussian 13.37
14 Russian_Smolensk 13.59
15 Estonian_Polish 13.87
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.01
17 Finnish 14.15
18 North_German 14.45
19 Swedish 14.47
20 Serbian 14.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.4% Southwest_Finnish + 15.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.81
2 82.4% Southwest_Finnish + 17.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.83
3 81.4% Southwest_Finnish + 18.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.88
4 81.5% Southwest_Finnish + 18.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.88
5 78.8% Southwest_Finnish + 21.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.92

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Finnish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Swedish @ 4.537736


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazi + Estonian + La_Brana-1 + Swedish @ 4.015976
2 Ashkenazi + Estonian + La_Brana-1 + North_Swedish @ 4.046968
3 Belorussian + La_Brana-1 + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.058064
4 Ashkenazi + Estonian + North_Swedish + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.132333
5 Italian_Abruzzo + La_Brana-1 + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.152081




Can you help me to find out which ethnicity I could have?

Just eyeballing it, I would say you're East German with some probable Austro-Hungarian ancestry

[rothaer]

Hello, I did a DNA test from ADNTRO because (...)

I also tried Gedmatch. This is my Kit PZ8626657


Btw. a stunning good kit with abt. 1.2 million SNPs (instead of usually abt. 0.7 million SNPs).

[Petalpusher]

My guess would be Baltic/Scandinavian + an Ashkenazi grand parent. K13 is by far the most reliable here, this is also what your position suggests on a PCA.

[rothaer]

You look to have results like an Eastern German. That can be true or artificially, i. e. by a mixture that resembles Eastern German.

[lenzhka]

So you plot around Slovakia and Ukraine, which I actually guessed because of the minor Indian admixture which shifts your results to SE towards Asia.

So might the puntDNAL K13 Global oracle be kinda accurate?

[lenzhka]

As for your ethnicity, my guess is that you are Roma. Maybe not full Roma, but with one Roma parent, and the rest a mix of Eastern European and Germanic.

But aren't Roma living (with their people isolated) their own culture? Idk if this is possible, even I score 6% Indian. But would be interesting ;)

[lenzhka]

You look to have results like an Eastern German. That can be true or artificially, i. e. by a mixture that resembles Eastern German.

Perhaps because East Germany, or at that time East Prussia, had a great influence with German settlers in Central Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case that the results are similar :)

[lenzhka]

Robić is a ethnic Croatian surname (peaking around central Croatia). Is it his birth surname or one given when he was adopted?

Well, the only thing I know is that his adoptive mother has another surname (but it's unclear whether this is her maiden name or the surname of her husband).
Unfortunately, I don't have access to his birth certificate

[Luke35]

Maybe 1/2 East German and 1/2 Croatian (based on your surname)?

On K13 you have a distance of about 8 from the East German average, and 10 from the Croatian average, so you are balanced between those two with a lean to East German.

*Edit, using the updated Croatian average and the old East German/German average:


Lenzhka,35.2,36.2,7.44,3.82,9.42,2.3,1.24,0.7,1.5, 0.52,0.95,0,0.7

Target: Lenzhka
Distance: 8.9937% / 8.99368226
71.1 East_German
28.9 Croat

Let's try the overall German average + Croat:

Target: Lenzhka
Distance: 9.7271% / 9.72710344
59.5 Croat
40.5 German

Second one looks okay as a parental split, assuming recombination resulted in you leaning to one parent. But that distance (9.7) is pretty high.

[Leto]

But aren't Roma living (with their people isolated) their own culture? Idk if this is possible, even I score 6% Indian. But would be interesting ;)
You may or may not be one eighth Tzigane as the initial test suggests. :)

[Petalpusher]

I don't get why everybody talks about Roma when she scores 1% South Asian in K13 and DNAntro breakdown is usually wrong. The true puzzling part is the high east med and low west Asian combination. So the European side must be very low to zero west Asian, this is why in mix mode Finns pop up a lot.

[TheMaestro]

But aren't Roma living (with their people isolated) their own culture? Idk if this is possible, even I score 6% Indian. But would be interesting ;)

Yes but they are in Europe for hundreds of years and they intermarried with white people. Its maybe your grandfather who could be roma.

[TheMaestro]

So might the puntDNAL K13 Global oracle be kinda accurate?

Well the key is to get the closest match. Without the Indian admixture you would imo plot somewhere in eastern Germany or western Poland, now you plot around Slovakia/western UA radius.

[Loki]

But aren't Roma living (with their people isolated) their own culture? Idk if this is possible, even I score 6% Indian. But would be interesting ;)

Well, not exclusively, they have intermarried also. Do you know all your ancestors for the last 3 generations or so?

[lenzhka]

My guess would be Baltic/Scandinavian + an Ashkenazi grand parent. K13 is by far the most reliable here, this is also what your position suggests on a PCA.

Where can I view the position on a PCA?

[lenzhka]

Yes but they are in Europe for hundreds of years and they intermarried with white people. Its maybe your grandfather who could be roma.

Maybe, but wouldn't that be displayed in the oracle mix mode (Roma, or even Gypsy)? Because, strangely enough, I tend to match Semitic populations there.
I shared 2 photos of my great-grandma in another post because (according to my cousin) she looks similar to the Ashkenazi phenotype. Maybe there's a connection?

[lenzhka]

Well, not exclusively, they have intermarried also. Do you know all your ancestors for the last 3 generations or so?

No, unfortunately not. I only know a few maternal ancestors from photos.
On my father's side, I know absolutely nothing about his ancestors.

[lenzhka]

Maybe 1/2 East German and 1/2 Croatian (based on your surname)?

On K13 you have a distance of about 8 from the East German average, and 10 from the Croatian average, so you are balanced between those two with a lean to East German.

*Edit, using the updated Croatian average and the old East German/German average:


Lenzhka,35.2,36.2,7.44,3.82,9.42,2.3,1.24,0.7,1.5, 0.52,0.95,0,0.7

Target: Lenzhka
Distance: 8.9937% / 8.99368226
71.1 East_German
28.9 Croat

Let's try the overall German average + Croat:

Target: Lenzhka
Distance: 9.7271% / 9.72710344
59.5 Croat
40.5 German

Second one looks okay as a parental split, assuming recombination resulted in you leaning to one parent. But that distance (9.7) is pretty high.

How do you calculate that? Maybe my parents are not both a specific ethnicity, if the distance is still so high?

[PaulieVanZant]

Alles in allem schätze ich mal, dass in deiner Familie in jüngerer Vergangenheit jemand mit Ashkenazischem Hintergrund in einer Liaison zu jemandem aus Ostpreußen stand. Ashkenazi = hoch Ostmediterran und Ostpreußen = oftmals niedrig West Asiatisch (durch den hohen baltischen Influx). Das würde auch die relativ hohen Distanzen im Orakel erklären, da Ashkenazi in der Regel einen ziemlich starken genetischen Kontrast bilden zu den Menschen um sie herum. Man darf aber auch nicht vergessen, dass Eurogenes K13 dafür bekannt ist ziemlich hohe Distanzen bei den meisten Leuten anzuzeigen.

[Loki]

No, unfortunately not. I only know a few maternal ancestors from photos.
On my father's side, I know absolutely nothing about his ancestors.

I think you have your answer there. Your father is of Roma background, in all likelihood.

[lenzhka]

I think you have your answer there. Your father is of Roma background, in all likelihood.

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Here are 2 photos of my father
Well, would you classify him as Roma by appearance? In my eyes he looks more balto-slavic, idk.

[lenzhka]

Alles in allem schätze ich mal, dass in deiner Familie in jüngerer Vergangenheit jemand mit Ashkenazischem Hintergrund in einer Liaison zu jemandem aus Ostpreußen stand. Ashkenazi = hoch Ostmediterran und Ostpreußen = oftmals niedrig West Asiatisch (durch den hohen baltischen Influx). Das würde auch die relativ hohen Distanzen im Orakel erklären, da Ashkenazi in der Regel einen ziemlich starken genetischen Kontrast bilden zu den Menschen um sie herum. Man darf aber auch nicht vergessen, dass Eurogenes K13 dafür bekannt ist ziemlich hohe Distanzen bei den meisten Leuten anzuzeigen.

Das vermute ich auch. Zumindest aus der Region Schlesien / Posen, da ich zu wenig baltischen Einfluss habe im Vergleich zu den Nachkommen aus dem Gebiet Ostpreußen. Schließlich weisen sie eine nähere Distanz zu Südbalten; Litauern bzw ehemaligen Prussen auf.
Wir glauben, dass meine Uroma vermutlich den aschkenasichen Einfluss aus Regionen von Siebenbürgen miteingebracht hat. Ihre Eltern haben im Kreis Kronstadt / Brasov gelebt.

[Kyp]

Here are 2 photos of my father
Well, would you classify him as Roma by appearance? In my eyes he looks more balto-slavic, idk.

No doesnt look Roma influenced, also your Gedmatch results don't indicate any Roma background. I would try to look for a 2nd company to test.

[lenzhka]

No doesnt look Roma influenced, also your Gedmatch results don't indicate any Roma background. I would try to look for a 2nd company to test.

Yes, I've ordered a dna test from 23andme and hope that the results will give better answers

[Kyp]

Yes, I've ordered a dna test from 23andme and hope that the results will give better answers

Aufjedenfall!

[Luke35]

How do you calculate that? Maybe my parents are not both a specific ethnicity, if the distance is still so high?

I did the calculations utilizing https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

The distance can be high simply because you are from at least 2 distinct ethnic groups, but yes I agree that your background may be more complicated than the model I made.

23andMe handles mixed ancestry best imo, and they should be able to identify if you have Jewish ancestry.

[Petalpusher]

23andme has some specific Jewish references, as long as particular SNPs for Ashkenazi i believe, so you will know if it's that for sure or something else.

[TheMaestro]

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Here are 2 photos of my father
Well, would you classify him as Roma by appearance? In my eyes he looks more balto-slavic, idk.

He looks Czech.

[Luke35]

Yes, I've ordered a dna test from 23andme and hope that the results will give better answers

Hi lenzhka,

I would be interested in seeing your 23andMe results, if you feel like sharing them. Thanks

[rothaer]

(...)

Can you briefly tell about your 23andMe results? Would be interesting to get all the made speculations verified or discarded.

A gypsy contribution would show inevitably by South Asian (a full Gypsy would score some 30% South Asian and some 40% Middle Eastern) and an Ashkenazi contribution would show one-to-one in the component Ashkenazi Jewish.

The thread shows who guessed what.

[lenzhka]

Can you briefly tell about your 23andMe results? Would be interesting to get all the made speculations verified or discarded.

A gypsy contribution would show inevitably by South Asian (a full Gypsy would score some 30% South Asian and some 40% Middle Eastern) and an Ashkenazi contribution would show one-to-one in the component Ashkenazi Jewish.

The thread shows who guessed what.

I would like to share the result from 23andme, but since months no shipping has taken the package from me in Germany and it was even sent back once from NL. :sad:
I have alternatively done a test of AncestryDNA

Here are the results:
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Eastern Europe & Russia 38%
Germanic Europe 29%
Sweden & Denmark 21%
Baltics 10%
Wales 2%

Apparently it was just a glitch and there are no close Gypsy / Ashkenazi ancestors

[Lplius]

So your father was adopted and your mother is Slovak? Then you already know half of it and need to test your father but it looks like he's German.

[rothaer]

I would like to share the result from 23andme, but since months no shipping has taken the package from me in Germany and it was even sent back once from NL. :sad:
I have alternatively done a test of AncestryDNA

Here are the results:
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Eastern Europe & Russia 38%
Germanic Europe 29%
Sweden & Denmark 21%
Baltics 10%
Wales 2%

Apparently it was just a glitch and there are no close Gypsy / Ashkenazi ancestors

Except for ADNTRO that is known as bad in interpretations it's not even a glitch but a misinterpretation of how GEDmatch calculators and oracles work. After you shared the GEDmatch# I stated (farther up):

"You look to have results like an Eastern German. That can be true or artificially, i. e. by a mixture that resembles Eastern German."

And your AncestryDNA result resembles mine pretty much:


https://i.imgur.com/AL2tAoe.jpg


If I got it right your paternal ancestry is unknown as your father was adopted. But you seem to know for some of your mother's ancestry. How can that be described/summarized?

As for your G25 coords, are they real coords or simulated?

[lenzhka]

So your father was adopted and your mother is Slovak? Then you already know half of it and need to test your father but it looks like he's German.

Kinda. I did some research with my mother and now we're know more exactly about my maternal origin: Magyars, Saxons, Slovaks & distant Scandinavian

We assume that my father is mostly Bohemian German and even little part Magyar (But we're just guessing)

[lenzhka]

Except for ADNTRO that is known as bad in interpretations not even a glitch but a misinterpretation of how GEDmatch calculators and oracles work. After you shared the GEDmatch# I stated (farther up):

"You look to have results like an Eastern German. That can be true or artificially, i. e. by a mixture that resembles Eastern German."

And your AncestryDNA result resembles mine pretty much:


https://i.imgur.com/AL2tAoe.jpg


If I got it right your paternal ancestry is unknown as your father was adopted. But you seem to know for some of your mother's ancestry. How can that be described/summarized?

As for your G25 coords, are they real coords or simulated?

Cool results! Yes, very similar^^

Well that's what I know from my maternal side: Magyars, Saxons, Slovaks and distant Scandinavian.
But paternal I can only guess and I think Bohemian German ancestry would fit him. But it's just a guess.

The G25 is simulated because I'm waiting for illustrativeDNA to accept PayPal. And I don't know where else I can get some.

[rothaer]

Cool results! Yes, very similar^^

Well that's what I know from my maternal side: Magyars, Saxons, Slovaks and distant Scandinavian.
But paternal I can only guess and I think Bohemian German ancestry would fit him. But it's just a guess.

The G25 is simulated because I'm waiting for illustrativeDNA to accept PayPal. And I don't know where else I can get some.

At David Wesolowski = Davidski = Eurogenes, eurogenesblog@gmail.com
But he also does not accept PayPal, just a payment via Wise. So I had to open a free account there.

[Luke35]

Kinda. I did some research with my mother and now we're know more exactly about my maternal origin: Magyars, Saxons, Slovaks & distant Scandinavian

We assume that my father is mostly Bohemian German and even little part Magyar (But we're just guessing)

Really cool to get some resolution to this mystery, your AncestryDNA result certainly answers a lot of questions. If possible, could you also post your Parental Ethnicity Inheritance report. It's the one that looks like this, this one happens to be mine:

https://i.imgur.com/cCGIf8Y.png

[lenzhka]

Really cool to get some resolution to this mystery, your AncestryDNA result certainly answers a lot of questions. If possible, could you also post your Parental Ethnicity Inheritance report. It's the one that looks like this, this one happens to be mine:

https://i.imgur.com/cCGIf8Y.png

Yes of course! Your results are interesting. Is it accurate?

Here's mine
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[Luke35]

Yes of course! Your results are interesting. Is it accurate?

Here's mine
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Mine happens to be very accurate. My father was of Hungarian descent, and my mother is of German descent, with some British Isles. I can see that my relative matches split to my paternal/maternal sides appropriately, which is an indication of good phasing. But the SideView technology works best the more close relations you have tested - I have my mother, uncle, two first cousins, some second cousins, etc. People with less close relations may lose some accuracy in the phasing, although this deficit could theoretically be made up if one has a high number of matches.

It looks to me that your parents were likely pretty similar. Rothaer's original guess of East German is looking pretty good right now. But as you say, you have found Hungarian and Slovak ancestors so your background is a little more complicated.

Do you get assigned to any Communities?

[lenzhka]

Mine happens to be very accurate. My father was of Hungarian descent, and my mother is of German descent, with some British Isles. I can see that my relative matches split to my paternal/maternal sides appropriately, which is an indication of good phasing. But the SideView technology works best the more close relations you have tested - I have my mother, uncle, two first cousins, some second cousins, etc. People with less close relations may lose some accuracy in the phasing, although this deficit could theoretically be made up if one has a high number of matches.

It looks to me that your parents were likely pretty similar. Rothaer's original guess of East German is looking pretty good right now. But as you say, you have found Hungarian and Slovak ancestors so your background is a little more complicated.

Do you get assigned to any Communities?

Oh that's awesome.
So it becomes more precise if your family members are tested too. Well makes sense somehow because then more samples are available to the laboratory and estimate / region analysis.

Yeah the communities:
Parent 1: Southern Midwestern Settlers
West Virginia, Kentucky & Tennessee Settlers
Early Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana & East Texas Settlers
Early Upper South Settlers

Parent 2: Southeast Poland, Slovakia & Hungary

But it's strange to match US Settlers and not the European communities / regions with parent 1.

[Luke35]

Oh that's awesome.
So it becomes more precise if your family members are tested too. Well makes sense somehow because then more samples are available to the laboratory and estimate / region analysis.

Yeah the communities:
Parent 1: Southern Midwestern Settlers
West Virginia, Kentucky & Tennessee Settlers
Early Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana & East Texas Settlers
Early Upper South Settlers

Parent 2: Southeast Poland, Slovakia & Hungary

But it's strange to match US Settlers and not the European communities / regions with parent 1.

Yes, the parental inheritance (phasing) works because all your matches only match either your paternal side or your maternal side. They can then rebuild your genome with shared segments that only match one side or the other, hence parent 1 and parent 2.

Hmmm, very interesting. Your parent #2 may be your mother, as that is the side you have Magyar ancestry, if I follow you correctly.

Do you personally get any communities in your own ethnicity report?

[lenzhka]

Yes, the parental inheritance (phasing) works because all your matches only match either your paternal side or your maternal side. They can then rebuild your genome with shared segments that only match one side or the other, hence parent 1 and parent 2.

Hmmm, very interesting. Your parent #2 may be your mother, as that is the side you have Magyar ancestry, if I follow you correctly.

Do you personally get any communities in your own ethnicity report?

May I ask which communities you have been assigned to each parent?

Yes, it can only be the maternal side.
Unfortunately, no community or connection appeared in the ethnic report directly. How about you?

[rothaer]

(...) But the SideView technology works best the more close relations you have tested - I have my mother, uncle, two first cousins, some second cousins (...)

How do you conclude that?

I just read where they do describe their SideView technology and did not find anything on that. Also, I got my mother tested after I had my SideView results and to my impression nothing changed. But I did not save the earlier result, so I can not really check that.
My mother is connected with the same tree as me and with the correct individual. In the SideView the halfs are labelled paternal and maternal, but this happened when I was asked to do that manually, if I could and I so did.

Afaik uniquely 23andMe is making a parental phasing in favor of the ancestry composition.

[Luke35]

May I ask which communities you have been assigned to each parent?

Yes, it can only be the maternal side.
Unfortunately, no community or connection appeared in the ethnic report directly. How about you?

Here are my parental "common communities":

These are the most common communities of your closest paternal matches.

Northeastern Hungary & Eastern Slovakia
Southern Poland & Eastern Slovakia
Slovakia & Hungary

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These are the most common communities of your closest maternal matches.

Early Connecticut & New York Settlers
Munster, Ireland
New Jersey & Eastern Pennsylvania Settlers

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As far as my personal communities, I only get Cornwall, England. And I do in fact have ancestry from there, so it is correct. My mom scores it too.

Hopefully you will get communities in the future, they can be quite accurate and informative, from what I've seen.

[Luke35]

How do you conclude that?

I just read where they do describe their SideView technology and did not find anything on that. Also, I got my mother tested after I had my SideView results and to my impression nothing changed. But I did not save the earlier result, so I can not really check that.
My mother is connected with the same tree as me and with the correct individual. In the SideView the halfs are labelled paternal and maternal, but this happened when I was asked to do that manually, if I could and I so did.

Afaik uniquely 23andMe is making a parental phasing in favor of the ancestry composition.

I'll link you the paper and the specifics later, unfortunately I'm indisposed with work at the moment.

It seems that they will only re-phase the customer database at some kind of interval (once a year?), hence much of the unassigned matches that we all have since the last phase (April? August?):

"Why are some matches unassigned?
If a match appears in this category, it could be because their test was processed after our last update or because we don't have enough information to assign them to one parent or the other. You may see updates in the future, in which case some unassigned matches may be assigned to a side."

So, maybe with the next phase/update, your mom will be incorporated. If you were in fact phased again after your mother was tested, then it could be that all of your segments were correctly split and assigned, parentally, and adding your mother changed nothing.

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*UPDATE*

Here is the full paper that describes the method behind SideView: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.11.487932v1.full

"IBDphase performs better when the genomic database is large, when many IBD segments are discovered in it, when a large proportion of sites overlap at least a few IBD segments, and when there are close genetic relationships to provide long IBD segments and help phase across multiple chromosomes."

I would say that there are no better close relationships than parent-child. So I can't imagine that they would discard a parent-child relationship when they have it at their disposal, to be used for phasing. Nowhere in the paper does it say parents are excluded in the process, although siblings in fact are, because they share dna with both sides of the family and can't be used. Still, it would not totally shock me if parents are not utilized, but goodness that really would be asinine if they're not.

[rothaer]

I'll link you the paper and the specifics later, I'm indisposed with work at the moment.

It seems that they only re-phase on intervals, hence all of the unassigned matches since the last phase. So, maybe with the next phase/update, your mom will be incorporated. It also could be that all of your segments were correctly assigned, parentally, and adding your mother changed nothing.

Yes, please.

And intervals, yes, SideView phases by matching segments with matches and then by overlaping such segments they put it together as hailing from one parent. All this is done without a tested parent.

[rothaer]

(...)
I would say that there are no better close relationships than parent-child. So I can't imagine that they would discard a parent-child relationship when they have it at their disposal, to be used for phasing. Nowhere in the paper does it say parents are excluded in the process, although siblings in fact are, because they share dna with both sides of the family and can't be used. Still, it would not totally shock me if parents are not utilized, but goodness that really would be asinine if they're not.

True!

[Luke35]

Yes, please.

And intervals, yes, SideView phases by matching segments with matches and then by overlaping such segments they put it together as hailing from one parent. All this is done without a tested parent.

Ahh, so what I mean by intervals is a speculation on my part that they will theoretically re-phase everybody in the database periodically (because many more customers are being continuously added) and the completeness and quality of the phasing should theoretically get better for all. This kind of wide-scale re-phase could occur at intervals of 6 months or 12 months, etc.

In a case like yours, where your genome was originally phased in the absence of your mother, at the next re-phase, and now with the inclusion of your mother (if they in fact utilize parents), your result could possibly be improved.

[rothaer]

Ahh, so what I mean by intervals is a speculation on my part that they will theoretically re-phase everybody in the database periodically (because many more customers are being continuously added) and the completeness and quality of the phasing should theoretically get better for all. This kind of wide-scale re-phase could occur at intervals of 6 months or 12 months, etc.

In a case like yours, where your genome was originally phased in the absence of your mother, at the next re-phase, and now with the inclusion of your mother (if they in fact utilize parents), your result could possibly be improved.

Okay, now I got what you meant. And indeed they can hardly re-phase every day...