Was R1b really in the Altai just 5000 years ago?

[strike978]

It doesn't seem that long ago. I think it's even after the rise of Egyptian Civilization?

DNA Genics says this about my haplogroup R1b1a2a1a (R-P311)

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My paternal ancestor was Siberian??

How did these people look like?

[Onlyi2aIsEuropean]

Yes, its actually younger than that. Still waiting for the thanks my ancestors deserve for giving your ass blonde hair and blue eyes

[strike978]

My friend I am not Western European. I don't have blonde hair or blue eyes. I am Latin American.

My paternal ancestors had sex with all different kinds of women from all over the world and I'm the result of that. Whether or not my paternal ancestors had blonde hair or blue eyes at one point I dont doubt it I know Corded Ware were very light haired light eyed people but I'm sorry that you feel so highly about blonde hair and blue eyes. It's not really that special. It's just some genetic mutations that we acquired along the way.

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[Onlyi2aIsEuropean]

Corded ware was mostly dark hair and dark eyes -
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63138-w

They mixed with my i2a blonde haired/blue eyed ancestors and i1 people (who were less numerous) to receive lighter features. Mixed is putting it "nicely" by the way

[shuzam87]

Check out this article “The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies” https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04052-7

L5213 Xiaohe Xiaohe culture 4000BP https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/

L5209 Xiaohe Xiaohe culture 4000BP https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/

G218M5-2 Nileke Afanasievo culture 5000 BP https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M12149/

[Petalpusher]

R1b was in Europe as early as Villabruna (14Ky BP), Maltaverne Iboussiere was R1b too in the mesolithic (12ky BP), in the Iron gates (Balkan hunters), most were R1b and as east as Ukraine. People generally have different clades of R1b today in Europe (IEs) but bottom line is that R1's were in Europe already way before the Bronze Age.

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/r1b-v2219-v88.png


More importantly the mesolithic R1's cluster with the "Villabrunian WHGs" that had l haplos like Rochedane, or Loschbour. The others were either older Goyet like, or Afontovagora intermediates, so they might have lived together for a long time or came from the same ancestral area.

https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126/sciadv.aaz5344/asset/5ef24566-efed-4328-9d01-232e806a6948/assets/graphic/aaz5344-f3.jpeg