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Absinthe

11-03-2011, 10:58 AM

The Ripper

11-03-2011, 11:04 AM

So apparently the Greek PM's call for a referendum has caused such a commotion that the government is losing majority in the parliament.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15568915

Seems that after the urgent meeting taking place this afternoon, there will be a call for elections. God knows what will happen from there on.... But I guess it can't get any worse, can it? :confused:

I was just thinking about this last night. I was sure the referendum was going to force events one way or the other..

"EU leaders" will no doubt try to maintain a semblance of control, but I think from this point on the crisis can only spread. The euro might well be finished.

Anyway, to all the Greeks, hold on!

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 11:12 AM

I was just thinking about this last night. I was sure the referendum was going to force events one way or the other..

Yes, what the ****!! This was the single most schizophrenic thing that Papandreou has done ever since he assumed his position.

One minute he tries to convince everyone that we must all comply to the EU and IMF rules because the haircut is a matter of life and death, next he is off to a conference to ensure that we do get the haircut, and after he has done so, he announces a referendum! :eek:

The result of the referendum, we all presume, would be more than 60% "NO", for a variety of reasons....

Either because people are tired and cannot stand any more austerity and cutbacks, or because of anti-EU sentiments or simply because they want to show their disapproval to the government or because they feel that national sovereignty has been lost, etc....

So I don't know what the hell he has been thinking. One minute he does everything possible to ensure we get foreign help and the next minute he digs his own grave by calling for a referendum that will reverse this decision...

Either he is entirely schizophrenic or he knows something we don't (most likely the latter)... :confused:

"EU leaders" will no doubt to try to maintain a semblance of control, but I think from this point on the crisis can only spread. The euro might well be finished.

Well I don't know what is worse, for the euro to be sustained in the expense of the European people (both the richer ones who are paying for the crisis, and the poorer ones who are plunging into poverty and unemployment), or for the euro to collapse and then the markets will go berserk... God help us! :confused:

Anyway, to all the Greeks, hold on!

Thanks...

Queen B

11-03-2011, 11:30 AM

GAP thought that with the refenderum he will avoid elections (in his stupid logic '' I am asking for your opinion, I am not deciding on my own. See? I value your opinion'') , but with that, he achieve the opposite.

I recently read somewhere, that the reason that we haven't seen a gallop about ''who you will vote in next elections'' is because Pasok is coming 3rd , and press is hiding it.
I don't know if that is true, but it makes sense.

Anyway,the thing is , that NO party will ever get self-reliance anymore, so the next goverment would be a coalition from parties, so , I guess and I hope that this time that can't choose what favors THEM, they will choose what favors the people.

Thank you the Ripper.

Flintlocke

11-03-2011, 11:40 AM

Just try to remember that the Greek people has NO control over its elites, same as the American people or the English people etc etc...

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 12:01 PM

I recently read somewhere, that the reason that we haven't seen a gallop about ''who you will vote in next elections'' is because Pasok is coming 3rd , and press is hiding it.

Someone told me that the KKE percentage has risen up to a 7%:eek: So 7% of Greeks think Stalin is going to take us out of this? I'll be damned!

Queen B

11-03-2011, 12:04 PM

Someone told me that the KKE percentage has risen up to a 7%:eek: So 7% of Greeks think Stalin is going to take us out of this? I'll be damned!

Actually, I have heard that its almost 2nd in the row! :S
Think is that both ND's and Pasok's rates have gone down, and all the ''small'' parties will rise.

I won't be suprised to see Hrusi Avgi in the parliament.. :coffee:

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 12:07 PM

I won't be suprised to see Hrusi Avgi in the parliament.. :coffee:

I hope not. Among the lot of European nationalists, those aren't the sanest of people... :....

Queen B

11-03-2011, 12:11 PM

I hope not. Among the lot of European nationalists, those aren't the sanest of people... :....

I prefer them from communists and siriza...

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 12:14 PM

I prefer them from communists and siriza...
That goes without saying --

but they are also lunatics. They are all lunatics. God help us!

Queen B

11-03-2011, 12:31 PM

That goes without saying --

but they are also lunatics. They are all lunatics. God help us!

True.
But I prefer someone who wants to have stronger borders, kick out the illegals, and open more working opportunities, than supporting every violent illegal, for the shake of ''being democratic'' and shit like that.

I remember those losers supporting a black who punched a woman from a ''dimotiki astunomia '' (english? ) ! Seriously?

More and more people these days believe that Junta was better than what Greece is right now.

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 12:53 PM

True.
But I prefer someone who wants to have stronger borders, kick out the illegals, and open more working opportunities, than supporting every violent illegal, for the shake of ''being democratic'' and shit like that.
True -- but that is not exactly what they are into, if they know what they are into at all... So far all they have shown is scare tactics, blind violence and hooliganism instead of real politics. "Laos" is doing a better job at politics but I am not too fond of them and their backward mentality either.

So let's sum it up:

In Greece there are

PASOK and ND (the two big family-run parties that managed to bring Greece to the current situation)

KKE (the hardcore stalinist group that still lives in the early 1900s)

Siriza (the ultra-schizophrenic 'euroleft' party that epitomizes on political correctness, the benefits of illegal immigration for society, the significance of open borders and the abolition of national differences, etc)

Laos (the far-right party that bases their popularity on delusions of grandeur -such as the reclaiming of Constantinople-, hardcore christianity,etc... -not to say that they don't have a few sensible ideas)

Chrissi Avgi (confused Balkan Hitler admirers who change their affiliations and ideology every couple of years)

and a few smaller and insignificant parties.

Being caught between a rock and a hard place, or what? :(

More and more people these days believe that Junta was better than what Greece is right now.

I believe that is why Papandreou took down all the heads of the military in one blow.

Queen B

11-03-2011, 12:56 PM

Municipal police
Οh thanx.

Well, this is probably the reason he changed the Greek military leadership two days ago. Apparently he got some info and he wasn't particularly amused. As for the syriza and the kke.. I really want them dead. Tsipras, this bloody bastard is a real joke.
I believe it as well. The military leaders weren't ''Pasoktsides'', and he was afraid that they ll take the lead.
But he ''got'' it from his own people. Not even Pasok's parliament members are supporting him anymore.
Tsipras is the most disgusting ''Politician'' out there.

Papandreou should have listened 'his' people about 1,5 year ago. It's too late now. Being the superficial, incapable utter fool he is, he should have accepted cooperation with the other political parties. Anyway, his father must be spinning in his grave.
What do you expect from a person that changed the chain of the bike, while... riding it?

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 01:02 PM

Tsipras is not a politician, he got elected by chicks and fags only because of his youth, looks and trendy personality. He is nothing more than a TV persona, he might as well be the host of an entertainment show and everyone would be happier.
I am sure that *if* ever he was elected as Prime Minister, he would not have the faintest idea as to what to do.
The same goes for Boutaris (which I don't dislike as much as Tsipras), I have heard from people who know him that he run the campaign basically for fun and out of reaction and that he never anticipated that he would actually be elected.

Siberyak

11-03-2011, 01:04 PM

Did Papandreou just resign? What would this mean?

Siberyak

11-03-2011, 01:05 PM

I am hearing he just resigned?

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 01:14 PM

It is rumoured that he will resign within the next hour...

Queen B

11-03-2011, 01:16 PM

Siberyak

11-03-2011, 01:28 PM

What would this mean for Greece if he resigns right now?

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 01:31 PM

What would this mean for Greece if he resigns right now?
Good question....

In the short run, it would mean the referendum will not take place and elections will take place within the next months. In the long run, no idea...

Queen B

11-03-2011, 01:36 PM

What would this mean for Greece if he resigns right now?

Resign -> Elections -> new -coalition this time - goverment.

Until now , used to be like this

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56443000/gif/_56443502_greece_vote304x250.gif

That means that whatever the non-goverment parties think, Pasok was the one to decide anyway.
Now, if we go into elections, then they have to collaborate and find the best solution .

Siberyak

11-03-2011, 01:50 PM

Wonder what will happen between now and the elections? So the referendum doesn't take place so it will stay on the Eu path with more austerity cuts? So many scenarios :)

Treffie

11-03-2011, 01:59 PM

Papandreou should have listened 'his' people about 1,5 year ago. It's too late now. Being the superficial, incapable utter fool he is, he should have accepted cooperation with the other political parties. Anyway, his father must be spinning in his grave.

When I saw him arrive at Cannes last night, it looked like as if he was thinking to himself `What the hell am I doing here, ah forget it!` :D

Absinthe

11-03-2011, 02:51 PM

GAP thought that with the refenderum he will avoid elections (in his stupid logic '' I am asking for your opinion, I am not deciding on my own. See? I value your opinion'') , but with that, he achieve the opposite.

OMG. He is EVEN stupider than that!

http://www.tsantiri.gr/politiki/papandreou-apilisa-me-dimopsifisma-gia-na-dechti-o-samaras-sigkivernisi.html

(sorry for the others who can't read it, it basically said the referendum was a trick to extort the second largest party into accepting a coalition)

Queen B

11-03-2011, 02:58 PM

OMG. He is EVEN stupider than that!

http://www.tsantiri.gr/politiki/papandreou-apilisa-me-dimopsifisma-gia-na-dechti-o-samaras-sigkivernisi.html

(sorry for the others who can't read it, it basically said the referendum was a trick to extort the second largest party into accepting a coalition)

If this is true, its really more stupid than everyone thinks

Turkophagos

11-03-2011, 03:01 PM

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/389919_280178935356003_216772935029937_874735_2102 284358_n.jpg

Leliana

11-03-2011, 09:20 PM

European blood

11-03-2011, 10:53 PM

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/01499/fas_merkel_DW_Baye_1499257p.jpg

The photo tells everything: Papandreou stands there like a shy schoolboy and is awaiting new orders from his boss Angela Merkel.

I feel sorry for Greece today. :( Merkel and Sarkozy put the gun on Papandreou's chest and threatened him to discard the idea of a democratic referendum.

The Greek people should decide what they want! But it's not going to happen now.

Some say that democrazy is the government of the people, by the people, for the people ... :rolleyes:

Greece backs away from bailout referendum

LONDON (MarketWatch) — Greek leader George Papandreou on Thursday withdrew plans to put the nation’s latest bailout plan to a popular vote, pulling back in the face of a rebellion by members of his Socialist ruling party.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/greek-officials-disagree-over-referendum-2011-11-03?dist=afterbell

Absinthe

11-04-2011, 07:47 AM

So Papandreou admitted that the idea of a referendum was not an actual intention but a political trick in an attempt to extort the opposition into giving a vote of confidence to the government "vote of confidence, or else"... :eek:
He hadn't foreseen (how could he not?) the shit storm of negative reactions from the EU, IMF, markets, etc....

It's official, we got a troll for Prime Minister.

http://wikicedia.net/images/f/f3/Troll.png

Problem, Greece?

Queen B

11-04-2011, 11:56 AM

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgufa9MCIZ1qejo7g.jpg

U mad Angela and Nikola?

Leliana

11-04-2011, 01:52 PM

Greeks are famous for Greek comedies and Greek tragedies. They make a good show on state level now. :rolleyes: If it wasn't about our money going down the abyss, I wouldn't care a lot.

The Lawspeaker

11-04-2011, 01:57 PM

Suppose there will be elections. Who'se got a good chance of winning them ?

Absinthe

11-04-2011, 02:05 PM

Either Samaras (ND) or a coalition between Samaras and some other party, most likely LAOS (the Christian Orthodox Far Right).

Samaras is a weasel and has proven to be so in his days as MP and I don't trust him the least bit. However, I assume anything would be better than the current government.

Queen B

11-04-2011, 02:07 PM

Samaras is a weasel and has proven to be so in his days as MP and I don't trust him the least bit. However, I assume anything would be better than the current government.
Samaras is a ''traitor'' for ND. He was responsible for the collapse of a goverment back then.

I believe a coalition will happen for sure. And ND and Laos are not enough to get the majority of sits. I think that would also be another one party

The Lawspeaker

11-04-2011, 02:08 PM

Absinthe

11-04-2011, 02:13 PM

So they would turn to the right.. and to a man you described as a weasel. Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

My experience with right-wing parties is that they don't solve problems. They create them.

Or between the Scylla and Charybdis as we say here :p

I can't say about right wing parties in general, but this particular one (ND) has proven to be equally corrupt, unreliable, unclear about their agendas, and also produced their fair share of scandals when they were in power. I guess there is no easy way out. Sometimes I wonder if a dictatorship would do the trick - but then I doubt it as it would be foreign-imposed and dictated (as if the current governmental system isn't :rolleyes:)... :(

Queen B

11-04-2011, 02:20 PM

I guess there is no easy way out. Sometimes I wonder if a dictatorship would do the trick - but then I doubt it as it would be foreign-imposed and dictated (as if the current governmental system isn't :rolleyes:)... :(

A dictatorship most likely will solve economy and immigrant problems.
But will cause others such as bad diplomatic relations, kicking out of EU (as a non-democratic goverment), etc... etc...

I am not sure that Right-wing parties don't solve but create problems. I mean , whichever party will be ruling, the same will happen. They will create problems.

The good with the coalition is one. That none can benefit his own interests. Because they all have different opinions , will have to accept and decide what is best for the people/country and not for their pockets or interests.

The Lawspeaker

11-04-2011, 02:25 PM

"Kicked out of the EU for having a non-democratic government" Haha.. that would be hypocrisy of the worst kind given that EU-countries are anything but democratic.

Absinthe

11-04-2011, 02:30 PM

A dictatorship most likely will solve economy and immigrant problems.
But will cause others such as bad diplomatic relations, kicking out of EU (as a non-democratic goverment), etc... etc...

Do we really care, at this point? I mean we have created such a bad reputation let alone they are going to let us out of the EU anyway, as it seems...

I am not sure that Right-wing parties don't solve but create problems. I mean , whichever party will be ruling, the same will happen. They will create problems.

Especially when it applies to Greece, the thing is: problems are not solely the responsibility of politicians. Problematic mentalities exist in all levels and start from the people themselves.

So even if the BEST government with the most enlightened politicians took over, groups of people would still object to the new policies, riot and create problems. I mean groups with specific interests and privileges, they would not accept the changes even if they were for the better.

The good with the coalition is one. That none can benefit his own interests. Because they all have different opinions , will have to accept and decide what is best for the people/country and not for their pockets or interests.

No one can serve their own interests but that would also mean that no one would agree with anyone too. I am not sure these people can even communicate with attacking each other let alone cooperate...

Queen B

11-04-2011, 02:39 PM

"Kicked out of the EU for having a non-democratic government" Haha.. that would be hypocrisy of the worst kind given that EU-countries are anything but democratic.

The main Copenchagen criteria in order to enter/be a part of EU a country has to have: '' stable institutions guaranteeing democracy''

Especially when it applies to Greece, the thing is: problems are not solely the responsibility of politicians. Problematic mentalities exist in all levels and start from the people themselves.

So even if the BEST government with the most enlightened politicians took over, groups of people would still object to the new policies, riot and create problems. I mean groups with specific interests and privileges, they would not accept the changes even if they were for the better.
Its true, but from time to time, they have to accept it. Not only in Greece, but everywhere, they are always people who disagree.

No one can serve their own interests but that would also mean that no one would agree with anyone too. I am not sure these people can even communicate with attacking each other let alone cooperate...
They ll have to agree, eventually. If they don't, most likely goverment will collapse and then what? Lose THEIR position in the goverment?

The Lawspeaker

11-04-2011, 02:42 PM

The main Copenchagen criteria in order to enter/be a part of EU a country has to have: '' stable institutions guaranteeing democracy''

Well. A lot of governments are stable but they are no democracies. Switzerland is a democracy. How many countries do you know that have the same system Switzerland has ?

Turkophagos

11-04-2011, 03:48 PM

DQSnX-knp4Y

The Lawspeaker

11-04-2011, 04:51 PM

DQSnX-knp4Y
That's the Dutch press for you. Lucky TV is not well-liked here btw.

antonio

11-04-2011, 05:00 PM

So they would turn to the right.. and to a man you described as a weasel. Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

My experience with right-wing parties is that they don't solve problems. They create them.

Indeed modern right-wingers have an unproven reputation of problem solvers very profitable when things turn bad. That's the Spanish case, where the pseudoliberal pseudochristiandemocrat party (PP) who ignite the inmobiliary and inmigratory bubble are to come back to power currently at the hands of the pseudosocialist PSOE. And, at Greek case, one thing is for sure: was not PASOK who deliverately cheated EU fools.

antonio

11-04-2011, 08:49 PM

Probably that reputation became stronger than ever after the total failure of their supposedly opposite: real Communism. But it still not clear how Capitalist would perform at the end as more and more power aggregates is less and less people. That's not like 30 or 40 years ago where intelligence and innovation counts, current days when everyone knows everything it's all about size and scale, let's make up as much as you want, but that's the real thing.

Turkophagos

11-05-2011, 10:20 AM

Τραγέλαφος...

Absinthe

11-05-2011, 12:41 PM

It is appalling that those disgusting sons of bitches cannot put their personal petty differences aside for one second, so as to figure out some solution or at least some strategy towards improvement of the situation...

I feel like I am a passenger on the Titanic, and all the staff instead of doing something, they are actually fighting about who knows better and who has done better in the bast and so on...

Absinthe

11-05-2011, 12:43 PM

One other thing that has always nauseated me:

in Greece we have invented politics but still the notion of policies is totally unknown to us.

Talks over talks and meetings over meetings and arguments over arguments and discussions over discussions, but nothing gets done, ever.... 2500 years and we still haven't figured out how to apply our politics...

Siberyak

11-05-2011, 01:10 PM

What the Hell is going on in Greece right now? Are the people in Athens sad, Mad, hopeless or what?

Turkophagos

11-05-2011, 01:44 PM

What the Hell is going on in Greece right now? Are the people in Athens sad, Mad, hopeless or what?

Shocked.

Siberyak

11-05-2011, 01:45 PM

What's next? Any idea?

Turkophagos

11-05-2011, 01:48 PM

http://www.gb93.com/site_images/2011-05-29/twbbtitle.jpg

Siberyak

11-05-2011, 02:15 PM

Mass fighting on Syntagma Square?

Turkophagos

11-05-2011, 02:29 PM

http://gogreece.about.com/od/folkloreevents/a/november17th.htm

It's in 12 days, I predict the worse riots in Athens ever.

Absinthe

11-05-2011, 02:33 PM

"It just might be an ideal time to take that overnight trip to Delphi."

:D

Maybe we Athenians should do that en masse (and make it a permanent one) :(

Siberyak

11-05-2011, 02:41 PM

Papandreou just replaced his military generals didn't he?

Absinthe

11-05-2011, 02:43 PM

Not "just", he did that some days ago. Rumour has it he did it "just in case"...

Leliana

11-05-2011, 02:54 PM

Greece should revive Sparta and then beat the stupidity out of the lazy and always debating Athenians...:P

Siberyak

11-05-2011, 03:03 PM

I know what I would be doing during civil unrest. Going after immigrants :)

antonio

11-05-2011, 06:39 PM

One other thing that has always nauseated me:

in Greece we have invented politics but still the notion of policies is totally unknown to us.

Dont worry about that. It's true that you invented Democracy...but when Partitocracy emerged to kill Occident, you were just surviving under Ottoman boot.

Talks over talks and meetings over meetings and arguments over arguments and discussions over discussions, but nothing gets done, ever.... 2500 years and we still haven't figured out how to apply our politics...

Parties wanting the power more than nation stability even on the darkest circunstances...nothing new. Roman Republic used to appoint dictators to drive them thru this times, but it seems that modern brainwashed people regard them as one of the extreme Politically Incorrect concepts ever. If I were Giorgios I would not hesitate to cancel all the current political farse and stablish myself as absolute ruler, although it were just in order to accomplish Brussel sprouts measures. A kind of puppet dictatorship. :cool:

Ps. At least till NATO decide finally to bomb me down. :embarrassed

Siberyak

11-06-2011, 05:35 AM

Greece has a tough period coming up doesn't it?

Leliana

11-06-2011, 12:05 PM

A representative survey made by Emnid institute reveals that 68% of all Germans don't believe that Greece has a future in the Euro currency zone. An other survey created by the Bild news magazine says that 63% of all Germans think that Greece cannot be rescued. Only 27% have hope for Athens.

71% of all Germans want national referendums about questions of the EU, ESF and EURO.

http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/verbleib-in-der-euro-zone-deutsche-glauben-nicht-mehr-an-rettung-griechenlands-1747914.html

http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/volksabstimmung/umfrage-deutsche-europa-zukunft-20849484.bild.html

Flintlocke

11-06-2011, 12:11 PM

They're drinking coffee and eating croissants, they don't seem to want to fight anymore.

Queen B

11-06-2011, 12:41 PM

They're drinking coffee and eating croissants, they don't seem to want to fight anymore.

And what to do ? Eating fasolada and drinking water?

antonio

11-06-2011, 02:43 PM

referendums about questions of the EU, ESF and EURO.

Elections...

Seems that all that bullshit is failing miserabely just by watching electoral decision on many countries thru the decades about I have first-hand knowledge about. :coffee:

Dont fool yourself: if democratic politicians fails if for people prev voting them failed (being cheated is a kind of failure). Former didnt get corrupted or stupid or liars by the malefic influence of power...it simply causes those characters to be fully expressed.

Ps. So my conclusion is that if solution of Europe come by the hand of common people's voting on Macroeconomics...please let me out.

antonio

11-06-2011, 02:57 PM

What the Hell is going on in Greece right now? Are the people in Athens sad, Mad, hopeless or what?

Maybe just the protesters. On these situations mass media contents use to overlook the fact that there're a silence majority of people which resign yet or have hope or is working hard to overcome situation. The point is that never revolutions needed the most. How many French ones take Bastille? How many Russians assaulted winter Palace? Anycase constituted power on Occidental democracies has never a better grip on societies than today. First of all, they control the brainwashing machine of maintream media and public education. Second, they take care of most critical sectors (exhaustive well-calibrated laws, good salaries...): Army, Policy, Justice, Tax administration, etc...

The Lawspeaker

11-08-2011, 03:48 PM

Looking for a Captain to Take Over a Sinking Ship

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTd6YfoMMhwNUr5czDlcz-Mup-dd_XiXXvqztCVLW1hbAnSlBKh

Greek party leaders labored on Tuesday to agree on a new prime minister, with the rest of the nation and the EU clamoring for an immediate deal on a unity coalition to save the country's finances and end the chaos threatening the euro.

After early signs that a new national unity coalition could be formed quickly, the drive by the socialist and conservative parties to create a government that will rule only until February lost momentum.

Outgoing Socialist Prime Minister George Papandreou told his cabinet he hoped to have the name of a new prime minister by Tuesday night, a government source said, prolonging the agony for the Greek people desperate for political stability.

"The deal has not been concluded yet but the prime minister seemed convinced that it would happen soon," a senior government official told Reuters, requesting anonymity.

Deputy tourism minister George Nikitiadis denied the negotiations were losing pace. "I have the opposite feeling, that everything is going very well, things are going to be fulfilled pretty soon and we will start working in the next days with stronger momentum."

"It is my feeling that by tonight we will have the name (of the coalition's leader)," he said. "We have made our resignations available to the prime minister."

Another minister said Papandreou had said farewell to his cabinet at the meeting.

So far the parties have agreed that a "100 day" coalition should be set up to push a 130 billion euro ($180 billion) bailout for Greece through parliament and that elections should be held in February.

Source: MINA (http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/19548/1/) (Tuesday, 08 November 2011)

The Lawspeaker

11-08-2011, 03:56 PM

Talks to name Papademos new Greek PM concluding: source

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20111108&t=2&i=529100412&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=BTRE7A711T500
Greece's Prime Minister George Papandreou holds an emergency cabinet meeting at the parliament in Athens November 8, 2011.

(Reuters) - Greek political leaders are wrapping up talks with the intention of naming former European Central Bank deputy head Lucas Papademos as the new prime minister of a crisis coalition, but details have yet to be ironed out, a source from the ruling socalists said on Tuesday.

"Negotiations are being finalized with Papademos as PM," the party source, with knowledge of the talks, told Reuters.

"They are going through the final details."

Source: Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-greece-idUSL6E7M601O20111108) (Tuesday, 08 November 2011)

The Lawspeaker

11-08-2011, 03:58 PM

Everybody guess who Lucas Papademos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Papademos) is ?

Lucas Demetrios Papademos (Greek: Λουκάς Παπαδήμος, Greek pronunciation: [luˈkas papaˈðimos]; born 11 October 1947) is a Greek economist who was Governor of the Bank of Greece from 1994 to 2002 and Vice President of the European Central Bank from 2002 to 2010. In November 2011 it was widely reported[1] that he would head the interim provisional government that would take Greece out of a major political crisis caused by the country's debt crisis and EU, IMF and ECB-prescribed austerity measures. He is currently serving as a visiting professor of public policy at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.
Born in Athens, Papademos attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, gaining a degree in physics in 1970, a masters degree in electrical engineering in 1972, and a doctorate in economics, in 1978.
He followed an academic career at Columbia University where he taught economics from 1975 until 1984, and then at the University of Athens from 1988 to 1993.[2]

Well... well... well... :rolleyes:

Bugarash

11-08-2011, 09:55 PM

can someone tell me how much does a pack of marlboro cost today in Greece?

Absinthe

11-09-2011, 04:32 AM

can someone tell me how much does a pack of marlboro cost today in Greece?
Marlboro? Hm... I think about 4 euros (20cig) last time I heard.

Phil75231

11-09-2011, 05:04 AM

If you ask me, I think it bets if Greece leave the Euro system and reintroduce the Drachma. Any remaining Euro notes or coins with the Greece seal on them should be repriced at the same value as new drachma notes.

This just goes to show that the EU nations should have either agreed to be a true transational government entity with Greece, Germany, the UK, etc as mere "provinces" of Europe*, or they shouldn't have issued the Euro at all. There was NO real enforcement mechanism to keep member states' from running up such deficits!

And I mean literaly no more independence/self-determination than California Iowa and South Carolina have.

Bugarash

11-09-2011, 03:31 PM

Marlboro? Hm... I think about 4 euros (20cig) last time I heard.

4 euro?
I expected more:confused:

thats double the prize here.

Queen B

11-09-2011, 05:47 PM

And still NO answer about who will be the new PM.... Hahahahahah. This is a joke.

Absinthe

11-09-2011, 05:49 PM

It was surreal until this afternoon...

Now it is beyond surrealism!! :eek:

I really don't know what to say - I believe we are all at a loss of words here...

Sol Invictus

11-09-2011, 05:52 PM

yO6ila03Ans

Absinthe

11-09-2011, 07:09 PM

I am not sure what to make out of the feelings that me, my friends, family and colleagues are experiencing with this situation (the five day&night proceedings for the election of a new government and still no government)...a mixture of anxiety, shock, sadness, confusion, shame, fear...

From what I have read in History books the only recent example I can find and compare it to would be what Berliners must have been feeling immediately before and after the erection of the Wall :....

Flintlocke

11-09-2011, 07:16 PM

It was surreal until this afternoon...

Now it is beyond surrealism!! :eek:

I really don't know what to say - I believe we are all at a loss of words here...

Indeed, I mean how hard is it to put a part time chancellor for 3 months? Just get the damn parliament's gardener and make him PM. He'll probably do a better job than anyone since 1974. Or better yet put someone like my old man in charge. He'll punch everyone around and call them "shithead" and "cotton-ass" (that's another way to say mama's boy) he'll fire all the women members of parliament and send them to the kitchen, and he won't be satisfied with any project and call all technicians "rednecks" and then he'll spend all the state's budget in steaks and flat screen TVs.:cool::thumb001:

Queen B

11-09-2011, 07:16 PM

Dunno. In first, I was anxious too. Now, I feel trolled.
Seriously. Italy's goverment crisis started later and ended earlier. We are still.here.

I thought today they finally announce. Seeing Karantzaferis leaving 5 minutes after the meeting started I was sure that today is NOT the day.

I was kinda relieved because maybe, that means that Petsalnikos WONT be the next PM.

What's the reason of having a politician in the head of the goverment. I though the coalition government will have a non-politician in the lead.

I don't know what to believe anymore...

This will take longer than Kim Kardashian's marriage.

Absinthe

11-09-2011, 07:23 PM

There's a new joke out on FB :

ATTENTION!!!
If you get a call from 2103385231-2 DO NOT PICK UP!!!
They have people from Megaro Maximou calling at random and the first one who picks up will be the next Prime Minister! :D

Siberyak

11-09-2011, 10:45 PM

Who is Lucas Papademos?

Queen B

11-09-2011, 11:02 PM

Who is Lucas Papademos?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Papademos

More than his ''career'' in banks, he is supossed to be well respected in Europe.

Peyrol

11-09-2011, 11:56 PM

We will reach you early, i think :laugh:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=586693#post586693

Anthropologique

11-09-2011, 11:59 PM

Poor Greece. Ripped apart by structural corruption and political incompetence.

Queen B

11-10-2011, 12:24 AM

We will reach you early, i think :laugh:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=586693#post586693

At least YOU decided to change government AFTER us, and it happened BEFORE us.

Poor Greece. Ripped apart by structural corruption and political incompetence.

:(

Queen B

11-10-2011, 11:38 AM

We have a winner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was about time ! :thumb001:

Absinthe

11-10-2011, 11:40 AM

HABEMUS PAPAM :victory0:

(we do? who is it? :D)

Queen B

11-10-2011, 11:45 AM

HABEMUS PAPAM :victory0:

(we do? who is it? :D)

Ιn.gr said Lucas Papademos

Tommorow at 2:00 the new goverment takes place.

Siberyak

11-10-2011, 01:15 PM

He is a banker isn't he?

Absinthe

11-10-2011, 01:17 PM

He is a banker isn't he?
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-banker-papademos-greek-prime-minister-130046145.html

Wanderlust

11-10-2011, 01:22 PM

He is a banker isn't he?

actually, he's a bankster

Queen B

11-10-2011, 01:33 PM

He is a banker isn't he?

He was part of Greek Bank and of European central bank. Yes.

First of all, I have to note that Papademos have excellent relations and he is well respect among the EU politicians like Merkozy, Soimple, Barozo, Ren, etc.

He was also the first one to ''ring the bell' to the Greece/Greeks about the scandal in the stock market.

He is not doing a luxury life, and he is generally very down-to-earth person.

Now, he will do better or worst? Noone knows. Actually I doubt anyone can do worst than Papandreou, but you never know.
He will be temporary in that position, anyway...

Flintlocke

11-10-2011, 05:21 PM

A bit off but dedicated to Tsipras :cool:

http://antirevisionism.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/header.jpg

Leliana

11-10-2011, 07:03 PM

German media portray it as a joke choice and I need to agree. Papademos was chiefly responsible for the accession of Greece into the zone of the Euro currency in 2002. Now we all know that the entrance was achieved by faked economic numbers and beautified statistics! What does this tell us about the integrity and truthfulness of Papademos? Its very unlikely that he didn't know about the phoney statistics and wrong data of Greece. He has been a corrupt liar to the other Euro countries back in the days and now he's the one who is supposed to save Greece and to make sure that our aids aren't wasted? :rolleyes2:

And he's one of the bankster clique! :(

All local TV and news magazines ridicule the decision.

Flintlocke

11-10-2011, 07:05 PM

Keep it simple Leliana dear. ALL OF THEM are bad and corrupt!

Wanderlust

11-10-2011, 07:27 PM

And he's one of the bankster clique! :(

Actually he is the best option atm. He speaks the 'same language' with the über corrupted banksters that reside in Frankfurt am Main. ;)

antonio

11-11-2011, 03:55 PM

My opinion as BNP shareholder is that you should keep on paying foreign debt...and I guess Lukas Papademos thinks the same way. :thumb001:

Tel Errant

11-11-2011, 04:11 PM

French medias portray it as a good choice and I need to agree. Papademos was vice-president of the ECB for eight years, professor of economy in Harvard, and is well regarded by other european leaders.

All local TV and news magazines applause the decision.
___________________________

An interesting aspect of that crisis is the difference of treatment in the different european medias. Much like during the cumcumber crisis, some seem to cannot help but be contemptuous and vindicative.

My opinion as BNP shareholder is that you should keep on paying foreign debt...and I guess Lukas Papademos thinks the same way. :thumb001:
French banks are strong enough to get through a greek default, Greece is after all negligible quantity economically, I'm much more worried about Italy right now.

antonio

11-11-2011, 04:35 PM

French banks are strong enough to get through a greek default, Greece is after all negligible quantity economically, I'm much more worried about Italy right now.

That's the point. And Im also worried and ask myself: were Italian governments on 20-30 last years more trustworthy than Greek ones? Unfortunatelly I can easily imagine them making-up public counts.:confused:

Tel Errant

11-11-2011, 04:41 PM

Maybe you should have bet on Santander:D French banks are involved in Italy like no others in Europe, that's why I'm worried basically.

antonio

11-11-2011, 06:37 PM

Maybe you should have bet on Santander:D

Spain biggest corporations have a characteristic I feel in my guts as not much favourable for future shareholders value even considering their multinational power: Spanish informed people do really hate them. :D

French banks are involved in Italy like no others in Europe, that's why I'm worried basically.

That's the point. I bought at mid twenties in the midst of Greek troubles...it' seems cheap enough but I prefer not to imagine a similar sell-off at regard of Italy. :confused: