Apparently most Greeks have significant portion of Early Slavic DNA

[reboun]

https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Greek-Mainland-2.png
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Greek-Islands-Peloponnese-1.png
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Greek-Cypriot-1.png

Source: https://turkishdnaproject.com/en/genetic-modellings-west-asia-and-balkan-populations/

[Tsuin]

Where does the Levant admixture come from?

[gixajo]

Where does the Levant admixture come from?

Datasheet of every model is avalaible in the site he posted:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KcNKGmDo3uCFcqTEuUE7_JGH_PrzQPn5_2mq68ZAdrM/edit#gid=0

[J. Ketch]

As far as I know there aren't any Classical Era Ancient Greek samples available yet.

[catgeorge]

Doesn't match YDNA - but maybe Slavic women found Alpha Greeks too irresistable

Our YDNA on Y-full is 5k+ years old on average. Mine is 7.5k

I know a couple of Greeks o\that occassionaly post on the forum their YDNA is 10k - T

[gixajo]

They used different sources for every model, for example for Greek_Thessaly and Greek Central Macedonia :


Ancient_Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376, 0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Early_Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941 ,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005 769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Anatolia(Bronze_Age):TUR_Isparta_EBA,0.114582,0.15 90993,-0.040226,-0.0802117,-0.004411,-0.024728,7.83e-05,-0.003846,-0.0115897,0.0329847,0.0068207,0.003497,-0.012686,-0.003257,-0.0225297,0.0032263,0.0214267,-0.0024493,0.0070393,-0.0007087,-0.0044507,-0.003215,0.000575,-0.003213,-0.0022353
African:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
African:Bantu_Kenya,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.0117895,0.002,0.00753 ,-0.012338,0.0265375,0.0029655,-0.0244195,-0.0023545,0.013338,-0.0320365,0.003303,-0.0352875,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.0043705,-0.0152725,0.006003,0.00287,-0.0051315,-0.0030195,0.0003615,0.0022155
African:Bantu_S.E.,-0.6293153,0.0637527,0.0201969,0.0178368,-0.0011624,0.0094514,0.0293503,-0.0129994,-0.0214296,0.0114607,0.0024178,-0.007793,-0.0111991,0.0022937,-0.009817,0.0063643,-0.0051864,0.0603178,-0.0249161,0.0034739,-0.0041872,-0.0009891,0.0023414,0.0010041,-0.0004392
African:Bantu_S.W.,-0.6222873,0.0658643,0.018425,0.0160116,0.0006156,0 .0075699,0.0014437,0.0089336,-0.0274354,0.0172863,0.0028534,-0.0046459,-0.0030369,0.001966,-0.0051573,0.004887,-0.0033901,0.0217903,-0.0106846,0.0037876,-0.0011764,0.0004591,0.0014964,0.0002411,-0.0005471


Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 1.0405% / 0.01040548
40.2 Early_Slavic
32.2 Anatolia(Bronze_Age)
27.0 Ancient_Greek
0.6 African

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.4559% / 0.01455950
41.8 Ancient_Greek
35.0 Early_Slavic
22.6 Anatolia(Bronze_Age)
0.6 African


For Cypriots:


Ancient_Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376, 0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Anatolia(Bronze_Age):TUR_Arslantepe_EBA,0.1032945, 0.1546142,-0.0594908,-0.089552,-0.0198495,-0.0290045,0.0017625,-0.010615,-0.0177422,0.012483,0.0054808,0.0017985,-0.005649,0.003888,-0.0106202,-0.0020882,0.0073667,0.0017735,0.0029852,0.0010945,-0.001435,0.004235,-0.0016332,-0.0043682,-0.000509
Anatolia(Bronze_Age):TUR_Ovaoren_EBA,0.0990263,0.1 51991,-0.0452547,-0.0812883,-0.0043087,-0.022776,-0.0019583,-0.0081533,-0.0088627,0.027457,0.0073077,0.0044463,-0.0130327,-0.0065143,-0.0147933,-0.000442,0.0126037,0.003801,0.0043577,-0.0017507,0.0003327,0.0055233,-0.0028757,0.0011247,-0.0024747
Levant:Levant_Sidon_MBA,0.0812696,0.1468454,-0.0613196,-0.0979336,-0.0105248,-0.0389334,-0.0047942,-0.0065998,0.0114534,0.0101686,0.0104904,-0.0097712,0.0215854,0.005505,-0.0075734,0.0065234,-0.0001562,-0.0011906,0.0015086,0.004252,0.0042674,0.007543,-0.0012572,0.0015906,-0.0005028
African:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
African:Bantu_Kenya,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.0117895,0.002,0.00753 ,-0.012338,0.0265375,0.0029655,-0.0244195,-0.0023545,0.013338,-0.0320365,0.003303,-0.0352875,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.0043705,-0.0152725,0.006003,0.00287,-0.0051315,-0.0030195,0.0003615,0.0022155
African:Bantu_S.E.,-0.6293153,0.0637527,0.0201969,0.0178368,-0.0011624,0.0094514,0.0293503,-0.0129994,-0.0214296,0.0114607,0.0024178,-0.007793,-0.0111991,0.0022937,-0.009817,0.0063643,-0.0051864,0.0603178,-0.0249161,0.0034739,-0.0041872,-0.0009891,0.0023414,0.0010041,-0.0004392
African:Bantu_S.W.,-0.6222873,0.0658643,0.018425,0.0160116,0.0006156,0 .0075699,0.0014437,0.0089336,-0.0274354,0.0172863,0.0028534,-0.0046459,-0.0030369,0.001966,-0.0051573,0.004887,-0.0033901,0.0217903,-0.0106846,0.0037876,-0.0011764,0.0004591,0.0014964,0.0002411,-0.0005471


For Crete, Dodecanese, Kos, Laconia and Peloponese:


Ancient_Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376, 0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Early_Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941 ,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005 769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Anatolia(Bronze_Age):TUR_Isparta_EBA,0.114582,0.15 90993,-0.040226,-0.0802117,-0.004411,-0.024728,7.83e-05,-0.003846,-0.0115897,0.0329847,0.0068207,0.003497,-0.012686,-0.003257,-0.0225297,0.0032263,0.0214267,-0.0024493,0.0070393,-0.0007087,-0.0044507,-0.003215,0.000575,-0.003213,-0.0022353
Levant:Levant_Sidon_MBA,0.0812696,0.1468454,-0.0613196,-0.0979336,-0.0105248,-0.0389334,-0.0047942,-0.0065998,0.0114534,0.0101686,0.0104904,-0.0097712,0.0215854,0.005505,-0.0075734,0.0065234,-0.0001562,-0.0011906,0.0015086,0.004252,0.0042674,0.007543,-0.0012572,0.0015906,-0.0005028
African:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
African:Bantu_Kenya,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.0117895,0.002,0.00753 ,-0.012338,0.0265375,0.0029655,-0.0244195,-0.0023545,0.013338,-0.0320365,0.003303,-0.0352875,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.0043705,-0.0152725,0.006003,0.00287,-0.0051315,-0.0030195,0.0003615,0.0022155
African:Bantu_S.E.,-0.6293153,0.0637527,0.0201969,0.0178368,-0.0011624,0.0094514,0.0293503,-0.0129994,-0.0214296,0.0114607,0.0024178,-0.007793,-0.0111991,0.0022937,-0.009817,0.0063643,-0.0051864,0.0603178,-0.0249161,0.0034739,-0.0041872,-0.0009891,0.0023414,0.0010041,-0.0004392
African:Bantu_S.W.,-0.6222873,0.0658643,0.018425,0.0160116,0.0006156,0 .0075699,0.0014437,0.0089336,-0.0274354,0.0172863,0.0028534,-0.0046459,-0.0030369,0.001966,-0.0051573,0.004887,-0.0033901,0.0217903,-0.0106846,0.0037876,-0.0011764,0.0004591,0.0014964,0.0002411,-0.0005471

For Trabzon:


Kura-Araxes:Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Anatolia(Bronze_Age):TUR_Ovaoren_EBA,0.0990263,0.1 51991,-0.0452547,-0.0812883,-0.0043087,-0.022776,-0.0019583,-0.0081533,-0.0088627,0.027457,0.0073077,0.0044463,-0.0130327,-0.0065143,-0.0147933,-0.000442,0.0126037,0.003801,0.0043577,-0.0017507,0.0003327,0.0055233,-0.0028757,0.0011247,-0.0024747
Maykop:RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya,0.1067092,0.13278 05,-0.0733497,-0.0337535,-0.0471625,-0.0013248,0.0144532,-0.0062883,-0.06284,-0.025103,0.0041818,0.0103782,-0.023154,0.0044728,0.0073288,-0.0190268,0.0088988,-0.0044975,-0.0089875,0.0102238,0.0130708,-0.0019475,0.0032968,-0.011357,0.0055085


For Greek Central Anatolia and Greek Capadocia:


Western_Steppe(EMBA):UKR_Catacomb,0.118376,0.08835 1,0.05506,0.09367,-0.014772,0.041834,0.003995,0.004615,-0.050517,-0.063965,0.008444,0.005245,0.000446,-0.033305,0.040716,0.017104,-0.012256,-0.005448,-0.004022,0.012131,-0.000624,0.010634,0.005916,0.01446,0.005748
Kura-Araxes:Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Anatolia(Bronze_Age):TUR_Ovaoren_EBA,0.0990263,0.1 51991,-0.0452547,-0.0812883,-0.0043087,-0.022776,-0.0019583,-0.0081533,-0.0088627,0.027457,0.0073077,0.0044463,-0.0130327,-0.0065143,-0.0147933,-0.000442,0.0126037,0.003801,0.0043577,-0.0017507,0.0003327,0.0055233,-0.0028757,0.0011247,-0.0024747
Iran(Copper_Age):IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C,0.0896355,0.132 7805,-0.0780642,-0.0667802,-0.0437002,-0.0196618,0.0098702,-0.0065768,-0.035178,-0.0030977,0.0051965,-0.0013113,-0.0006317,-0.0019613,-0.0046145,0.0036128,0.00088,0.0022802,0.0032995,-0.0063468,0.0045232,-0.0033388,-0.00835,-0.0118992,0.0006588

[Leto]

Hey baboon, why the fuck are you still posting? I thought you were banned and forgotten as you should be.

[reboun]

Hey baboon, why the fuck are you still posting? I thought you were banned and forgotten as you should be.

1. I was on a break, I requested to be banned.
2. Why do you get offended for such thread?

[vbnetkhio]

Where does the Levant admixture come from?

From the Levant

[reboun]

Double post.

[reboun]

From the Levant

;)

[wvwvw]

It will be very interested if they tested Greeks from pre-Slavic era, but after the Classical era.

And do the same with Bulgaria and other Balkan countries.

[lockdownboredom]

Wouldn't be suprised if they fabricated a model to inflate the Slavic admixture.

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 0.6947% / 0.00694703
31.4 Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215
16.2 Slav:VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA
16.0 Slav:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
11.0 Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
9.2 WestAsia:IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
6.8 Greek:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
6.4 Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
1.2 Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006
1.0 WestAsia:Levant_Megiddo_IA
0.6 Balkan:HRV_IA:I3313
0.2 Greek:GRC_Helladic_MBA


Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 0.6949% / 0.00694873
57.8 Greek
32.2 Slav
10.0 WestAsia

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 0.7104% / 0.00710430
24.6 Balkan:HRV_IA:I3313
20.8 Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215
14.4 Slav:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
8.2 WestAsia:IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
8.0 Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
5.4 Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
5.2 Slav:VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA
3.6 WestAsia:Levant_Megiddo_IA
3.6 Greek:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
2.8 Greek:GRC_Helladic_MBA
1.8 Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
1.0 Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
0.6 Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208


Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 0.7106% / 0.00710645
44.2 Greek
24.6 Balkan
19.4 Slav
11.8 WestAsia

[Dorian]

Anti-Greek dogs on payroll https://c.tenor.com/aA6eBOQATHEAAAAM/cesar911-cesar911series.gif

[GalenStark]

Considering middle Brinse Age Greek samples Logkas showed 30% "Balto-Slavic" like drift, I'm not sure all that admixture can be solely attributed to Slavs. As for obvious reasons, they didn't exist in Bronze Age Greece.

[Kenshiro]

From the Italian south i have always felt a very deep bond with Greece, however the "Slavic" component among the Greeks in my opinion is much lower than what is believed, I plot with the continental Greeks, and I have a percentage of Balto-Slavic blood, but which does not exceed 15%, the rest is 60/70% Minoan/Mycenaean for 30/35% and 30/35% Italic/Etruscan, I am more or less 60/70% Hellenic/Italic and for the rest a Balto/Slavic and Caucasian mix more or less at the same percentages, the substantial difference is perhaps that they have a slight Slavic DNA greater than mine perhaps on 20/25%, but the remaining DNA is Hellenic and partly Paleobalkanic

[Jana]

Looks like a bad model, Greeks have Slavic but there is zero Slavic in Cyprus. Fishy.


From the Italian south i have always felt a very deep bond with Greece, however the "Slavic" component among the Greeks in my opinion is much lower than what is believed, I plot with the continental Greeks, and I have a percentage of Balto-Slavic blood, but which does not exceed 15%, the rest is 60/70% Minoan/Mycenaean for 30/35% and 30/35% Italic/Etruscan, I am more or less 60/70% Hellenic/Italic and for the rest a Balto/Slavic and Caucasian mix more or less at the same percentages, the substantial difference is perhaps that they have a slight Slavic DNA greater than mine perhaps on 20/25%, but the remaining DNA is Hellenic and partly Paleobalkanic

You don't have any Balto-Slavic.

[Geni]

So much ? I dont think that the study is correct

[Ion Basescul]

Source: https://turkishdnaproject.com/en/genetic-modellings-west-asia-and-balkan-populations/

That's like referencing Apricity. It's just an amateur guy like us who is doing Vahaduo runs.

[Kenshiro]

Looks like a bad model, Greeks have Slavic but there is zero Slavic in Cyprus. Fishy.



You don't have any Balto-Slavic.

In my case I actually think i am much more tied to the ancient Greeks and Italics, but there is something that pushes me to the "North" of the average southern Italian and that pushes me towards mainland Greece (Western Thrace) and partly also Central Italy, but i have no idea what it is, I don't know much about genetics as I have recently been interested so I don't know honestly, if I showed you the tests would you be able to tell me which populations it might be related to? at least I get an idea

[Jana]

In my case I actually think i am much more tied to the ancient Greeks and Italics, but there is something that pushes me to the "North" of the average southern Italian and that pushes me towards mainland Greece (Western Thrace) and partly also Central Italy, but i have no idea what it is, I don't know much about genetics as I have recently been interested so I don't know honestly, if I showed you the tests would you be able to tell me which populations it might be related to? at least I get an idea

Sure. If you are Apulian, you might have some Balkanic-Illyrian influence for example

[Ayetooey]

Until the long awaited Classical Greek samples are released we can’t know. If Davidski is to be believed the unreleased Classical Greek samples are extremely southern, clustering between Mycenaeans and the levant.

[Kenshiro]

Sure. If you are Apulian, you might have some Balkanic-Illyrian influence for example


Thanks
This is yourdnaportal pangea
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This Eupedia ancient sample with Dodecad K12b
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This with k13, first Yourdnaportal, second gedmatch
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this with yourdnaportal ancient k15
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And this with Yourdnaportal Eurasia
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Illyrian blood could be, i am closer to Bronze age Illyrians than to Mycenaean

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

The fact is that Greeks have the lowest Slavic admix in the Balkans.

[cass]

Looks like a bad model, Greeks have Slavic but there is zero Slavic in Cyprus. Fishy.



Could be true.
In any case the ability of the Slavs to reach the islands must have been very limited, a fact corroborated by the absence of archaeological finds as well as the absence of Slavic place names.
https://www2.rgzm.de/foreigners/cfm/themen/309/309_uk.cfm?Language=uk

[Crn Volk]

https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Greek-Mainland-2.png
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Greek-Islands-Peloponnese-1.png
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Greek-Cypriot-1.png

Source: https://turkishdnaproject.com/en/genetic-modellings-west-asia-and-balkan-populations/

Makes sense

[Faklon]

Turkishdnaproject, certainly honest stuff and righteous breakdown of overlapping components

[Kenshiro]

The fact is that Greeks have the lowest Slavic admix in the Balkans.

I know very little about it, however, in my opinion, the Greeks should be compared with the populations with which they most share the ancient DNA and with whom they have an ancient genetic history in common (Greeks of the Islands, Sicilians and Southern Italians mainly) when compared with the other Balkan populations it is normal that the Slavic DNA is perceived much less, if instead you compare them with these populations it is clear that there is a component (not so high) of Slavic dna, but the main and majority component remains the Greek one ancient, and you really see a lot in this map indicating the genetic proximity between Mycenaean/Minoan and modern populations
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As a southern Italian i am very happy to have a fairly high Minoan/Mycenaean component, it makes me feel part of Magna Graecia (which arrived even if in different waves in literally the whole south), of history and of one of the most flourishing moments that this land ever lived

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

I know very little about it, however, in my opinion, the Greeks should be compared with the populations with which they most share the ancient DNA and with whom they have an ancient genetic history in common (Greeks of the Islands, Sicilians and Southern Italians mainly) when compared with the other Balkan populations it is normal that the Slavic DNA is perceived much less, if instead you compare them with these populations it is clear that there is a component (not so high) of Slavic dna, but the main and majority component remains the Greek one ancient, and you really see a lot in this map indicating the genetic proximity between Mycenaean/Minoan and modern populations
112433
As a southern Italian i am very happy to have a fairly high Minoan/Mycenaean component, it makes me feel part of Magna Graecia (which arrived even if in different waves in literally the whole south), of history and of one of the most flourishing moments that this land ever lived

I never said Greeks don't have Slavic dna, they just have the least in the balkans

[NSXD60]

Time to steppe on the gas instead of cruising maybe?

[Roy]

It is a lot, but it is actually similar to percentages that people on this message board have theorised it to be which was over 30%.

[Roy]

Could be true.
In any case the ability of the Slavs to reach the islands must have been very limited, a fact corroborated by the absence of archaeological finds as well as the absence of Slavic place names.
https://www2.rgzm.de/foreigners/cfm/themen/309/309_uk.cfm?Language=uk



Looks like a bad model, Greeks have Slavic but there is zero Slavic in Cyprus. Fishy.



You don't have any Balto-Slavic.


What about it reaching Cyprus indirectly thanks to Slavic-admixed Greeks mixing with the locals?

[cass]

What about it reaching Cyprus indirectly thanks to Slavic-admixed Greeks mixing with the locals?

On such a scale?
I would rather point ancient Greeks closeness to early IE Central Europe.

[Ayetooey]

What about it reaching Cyprus indirectly thanks to Slavic-admixed Greeks mixing with the locals?

Cypriots are Levantine chads, and have 2% Baltic on average. If they are 11% slavic then proto slavs must have only had 20% baltic. Turkish DNA project are a bunch of clowns.

[Kenshiro]

Cypriots are Levantine chads, and have 2% Baltic on average. If they are 11% slavic then proto slavs must have only had 20% baltic. Turkish DNA project are a bunch of clowns.
Cypriots are genetically located right in the middle between extreme southern Europe (extreme southern Italy, Malta, Aegean islands etc.) and the Middle East, in my opinion the Cypriots can be divided as 50% Ancient Greece (Especially Minoans) and 50% Middle East, obviously there is those who have more of a European component and some more Middle Eastern, I do not think they are totally Levantine

[cass]

My thousandth post, in turn, should be dedicated to my Pomeranian countrymen who traveled or rather spied in Greece in year 590.



(10) On the following day three men, Sclavenes by race, who were not wearing any iron or military
equipment, were captured by the emperor's bodyguards. Lyres were their baggage, and they were not
carrying anything else at all. (11) And so the emperor enquired what was their nation, where was their
allotted abode, and the cause of their presence in the Roman lands. (12) They replied that they were
Sclavenes by nation and that they lived at the boundary of the western ocean;10 the Chagan had
dispatched ambassadors to their parts to levy a military force and had lavished many gifts on their
nation's rulers;11 (13) and so they accepted the gifts but refused him the alliance, asserting that the
length of the journey daunted them, while they sent back to the Chagan for the purpose of making a
defence these same men who had been captured; they had completed the journey in fifteen months; but
the Chagan had forgotten the law of ambassadors and had decreed a ban on their return; (14) since they
had heard that the Roman nation was much the most famous, as far as can be told, for wealth and
clemency, they had exploited the opportunity and retired to Thrace; (15) they carried lyres since it was
not their practice to gird weapons on their bodies, because their country was ignorant of iron and
thereby provided them with a peaceful and troublefree life; they made music on lyres because they did
not know how to sound forth on trumpets. For they would quite reasonably say that for those who had
no knowledge of warfare, musical pursuits were uncultivated,12 as as it were. (16) And so, as a result of their words, the emperor marvelled at their tribe and judged that those
same barbarians who had encountered him were worthy of hospitality; in amazement at the size of their
bodies and the nobility of their limbs, he sent these men under escort to Heracleia.

The History of Theophylact Simocatta
https://kupdf.net/download/the-history-of-theophylact-simocatta_58ca71f2dc0d60d54a33903a_pdf

[Dorian]

Cypriots are genetically located right in the middle between extreme southern Europe (extreme southern Italy, Malta, Aegean islands etc.) and the Middle East, in my opinion the Cypriots can be divided as 50% Ancient Greece (Especially Minoans) and 50% Middle East, obviously there is those who have more of a European component and some more Middle Eastern, I do not think they are totally Levantine

Mycenaean fits fine too https://i.imgur.com/jn3xRrv.png

Half Mycenaean with Kura or Iran I'd guess being proxy for Eteocypriots + Anatolian Greeks and Canaanite Phoenician +Arab.

[Kenshiro]

Mycenaean fits fine too https://i.imgur.com/jn3xRrv.png

Half Mycenaean with Kura or Iran I'd guess being proxy for Eteocypriots + Anatolian Greeks and Canaanite Phoenician +Arab.
Cool, to me from test to test it gives different populations, on many tests Minoan I0073 in other tests Mycenaean I90041, in general it gives me about 30/40% Minoan/Mycenaean dna, honestly I think it's really a pity that people, in Cyprus, in Southern Italy/Sicily and also in Greece know so little about this common story, even if lately i am noticing that there are facebook pages, instagram etc. who are starting to talk about all this

[catgeorge]

Kura Araxes first then Mycenean...and you have the Greeks

[Thracian]

Terrible models. According to their models, Macedonian Greeks are Slavic as Serbs and more Slavic than Bulgarians, and Thessalians are Slavic as Bulgarians . :picard2:

[Mejgusu]

Turkish Dna Project does a good job, maybe this time they werent precise enough. Honestly for me it would be much more interesting what kind of admixture Anatolian Turks have(like Greek, Anatolian, Iranic etc), „pre-Turkic Anatolia“ is too generalized.

[Roy]

On such a scale?
I would rather point ancient Greeks closeness to early IE Central Europe.

Those did not have to be ancient Greeks. The admixture could have been going already past 1000 AD for all we know.

[Roy]

Cypriots are Levantine chads, and have 2% Baltic on average. If they are 11% slavic then proto slavs must have only had 20% baltic. Turkish DNA project are a bunch of clowns.

Obviously it is possible for them to be 0% Slavic too, but I left my own makeshift explanation for how they score how they score in that calculator. This is only a calculator.

[-Scar-]

As far as I know there aren't any Classical Era Ancient Greek samples available yet.

Greek samples from Iberia (4) and Campania (2) during the Classical period clustered with Mycenaeans.

The model in the OP is not historically accurate though.

[-Scar-]

It will be very interested if they tested Greeks from pre-Slavic era, but after the Classical era.

And do the same with Bulgaria and other Balkan countries.

Before the Slavic migration Peloponnesians probably were similar to Dodecanese islanders, Deep Maniotes (least Slavic admixed) are closer to Rhodes than to most other Mainlanders.
Most Anatolian admixture in Greece came during 300BC-300AD shifting from Mycenaean-like to Rhodes-like.

As for Y-DNA (I2a and R1a) not matching the overall Slavic autosomal input I think it gives some leak on "E-V13" of Peloponnesians. But we will see.