LivingDNA results from full AJ individuals

[rothaer]

To my knowledge LivngDNA is the only company that has no Ashkenazi Jewish (AJ) component. Though LivingDNA is not very good in the task of ancestry composition, it would be interesting to see what's behind AJ and if there is a big spread of results or not.

Does anyone know LivingDNA results for full AJs?

I found this one

https://i.imgur.com/h5R4Guf.jpg

from this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_y9rHJxtY

[Jana]

Looks spot on, except that I am surprised with small Levantine and big south Caucasian input.

[kingmob]

That breakdown is old, the new results breakdown includes Cyprus under the South Caucasus category.

[rothaer]

Looks spot on, except that I am surprised with small Levantine and big south Caucasian input.

This result is actually not that far from my imagination. Adding "Levant" and "Arabia" as for what could represent Palestine/Judaea gives even just 12% (my imagination based just on an educated guess had been abt. 20%), while the vast majority of the non-European component is "South Caucasus" (over 40% in total), which I identify with Asia minor, like local Ephesians etc. This is in line with Asia minor within the Roman Empire harboring a mongfold amout of population compared to the that small and desert-like Palestine/Judaea.

The European part is clearly just southern European, except that later Eastern European (EE) contribution (9%) for this seemingly Eastern European AJ. One should better not deal with Eastern European AJ (but with German ones) when it's about finding out the origin of AJ. So this later dilution with 9% EE will have to be subtracted, so all other contributions will proportionally get somewhat bigger.

I consider that (pseudo) North Italy in the well known half 'n half model (half Levant, half North Italy) an artefact out of the (biased) premise to just use Levant-like DNA for the non-European part. In fact the majority of ancestry will be from kind of in between, which historically to me also seems more natural than the religiously influenced common narrative.

I do expressly not yet claim this to be the found solution for AJ ancestry, but as one possibility that is in line with AJ autosomal genetics and that deserves a closer look. Amongst others it should be thought of if haplogroups do contradict such a scenario. I can not judge that.

[rothaer]

That breakdown is old, the new results breakdown includes Cyprus under the South Caucasus category.

Well, Cyprus is Asia and not Europe, so that's applicable.

[Jana]

Well, Cyprus is Asia and not Europe, so that's applicable.

But Cypriots are genetically more Levantine than Anatolian/south Caucasian like if I am not mistaken.

[Peterski]

Well, Cyprus is Asia and not Europe, so that's applicable.

Cyprus is usually counted as part of Europe AFAIK.

[kingmob]

But Cypriots are genetically more Levantine than Anatolian/south Caucasian like if I am not mistaken.


Speculation on my part for the South Caucasian category for Cyprus.

Historically, the Greek part had a small history of Armenian input, the Turkish part has had considerable Laz population settlers in recent times.

[rothaer]

Cyprus is usually counted as part of Europe AFAIK.

Not at all. (Maybe uneducated people on the street that know that Cyprus is in the European Union do think so.)

Just check for what's Europe and what's Asia. There are not even two opinions about that (in contrast to the Europen border towards the Caucasus).

[Peterski]

Not at all. (Maybe uneducated people on the street that know that Cyprus is in the European Union do think so.)

Just check for what's Europe and what's Asia. There are not even two opinions about that (in contrast to the Europen border towards the Caucasus).

I discussed this years ago with Italian-American moderator Angela on Eupedia and she argued that Cyprus is more European than Poland, and how dare a Pole like me call it Asia! But she actually convinced me, I think Cyprus has been part of European culture and civilization since ancient times.